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markpmc
I still occasionally have disk errors w/ my C3000. Can the disk in my Z be replaced/upgraded w/ a new 6 GB drive or a CF card?

Mark
speculatrix
yes. need to try a few more searches of this forum. there's even pictures.
markpmc
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 20 2007, 03:20 PM)
yes. need to try a few more searches of this forum. there's even pictures.
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sigh. thanks. you're correct.
i found 'em.

now i'm off to find one of those sandisk extreme 4 gb cards smile.gif

but i was really hoping that trisoft or streamline offered the service.

markpmc
DaemonsGR
A pm to trisoft will answer your question smile.gif

Tasos
TRIsoft
markpmc,
QUOTE(markpmc @ Jan 22 2007, 02:10 AM)
but i was really hoping that trisoft or streamline offered the service.


we will not offer to replace the microdrive with a CF card.
We tried it here with a SanDisk Ultra-II and the first card
lived less than one hour before it turned itself read-only...
Tried a second card and this was only running for 10 days.

Maybe we just got two bad cards in a row, but we were
also not impressed of the speed increase, so we don't see
the need to replace the harddisk with a flash memory.

But if your harddisk is faulty, there's no problem to replace
it with a new one.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
speculatrix
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Jan 22 2007, 03:04 PM)
But if your harddisk is faulty, there's no problem to replace
it with a new one.
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any sign of the newer 20GB microdrives becoming available? I think there's even bigger ones now, I think they're used in these digital camcorders as a replacement for miniDV.
speculatrix
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 22 2007, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Jan 22 2007, 03:04 PM)
But if your harddisk is faulty, there's no problem to replace
it with a new one.
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any sign of the newer 20GB microdrives becoming available? I think there's even bigger ones now, I think they're used in these digital camcorders as a replacement for miniDV.
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http://www.steves-digicams.com/microdrive.html

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=4319
markpmc
QUOTE(TRIsoft @ Jan 22 2007, 08:04 AM)
markpmc,
QUOTE(markpmc @ Jan 22 2007, 02:10 AM)
but i was really hoping that trisoft or streamline offered the service.


we will not offer to replace the microdrive with a CF card.
We tried it here with a SanDisk Ultra-II and the first card
lived less than one hour before it turned itself read-only...
Tried a second card and this was only running for 10 days.

Maybe we just got two bad cards in a row, but we were
also not impressed of the speed increase, so we don't see
the need to replace the harddisk with a flash memory.

But if your harddisk is faulty, there's no problem to replace
it with a new one.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
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Thanks Marc,

Maybe you've saved me some heart ache. I was actively searching for a 'deal' on a CF card. But you also made a valid point, I've never been unhappy w/ the the spin up time on my 3K. Guess I'll try a disk replacement.

Mark
Da_Blitz
one of the great things about flash has always been the latency issues, if you hammer the card with IO then it will performe much faster than a hard drik, same for bandwidth provided that the flash chips have been wired correcttly (funnilf enough it is posible to make a flash drive that does the 3gbps of sata 2 with current technolagy, just put those flash chips in parrellel)

microdrives have a maximum power consumption on spin up, so if you keep parking the heads then truning it back on you drain the battries quick (note to zsh users wink.gif it keeps flusing to disk every 5 secs so avoid it if you prak the drive heads or use laptop mode to save power)

i would say trisoft has had a bad experince, others have done it with great sucsess and if you know a bit about partioning and the cp -a command then you really should not have a problem

trisoft: did you have a swap file on the card, i have heard of some flash cards dying like that but sandisk has a good rep. also i have heard of really good fakes on ebay that are hard to tell apart

os to sum it all up, there is a slight power saving with cf, a tiny spped upgrade and a huge IO per second upgrade, if we used initng we would see an increse but for anything else perhaps not

if you listen to mp3s it might be a good option depending on your choice of media player and how aggresive the buffering is as well as how "hardcore" you have been with the power managment (ie did you do kernel parmater tweaking, hdparm stuff and enabled laptop mode)

i would say go for it wink.gif but then again you probbely didnt need my advice
TRIsoft
Hi Da_Blitz,
QUOTE
i would say trisoft has had a bad experince, others have done it with great sucsess and if you know a bit about partioning and the cp -a command then you really should not have a problem

trisoft: did you have a swap file on the card, i have heard of some flash cards dying like that but sandisk has a good rep. also i have heard of really good fakes on ebay that are hard to tell apart

we know, that some of you guys replaced the hd with a CF
card without problems. That was the reason, why we started
testing here.

We did this with a SL-C3000, running our localized SHARP Rom.
I'm sure, it was a case of bad coincidence, but we simply had
no fun in trying and killing a third card mad.gif
Also, with a SL-C3100/3200 that works most time in the flash
memory and uses the harddisk only for documents, the stress
for a CF card (or the disk) is much lower.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
speculatrix
it might be safer too with cacko, whereby the hard drive is actually not used all that much except for bulk storage. if you DO need swap, use SD card as it's much more convenient to switch that out.

is it possible to use jffs or somethign designed for flash file storage rather than fat or ext2, to make the card last longer.

I think I too would be inclined to try it, provided I bought the card from a reputable place and it had a lifetime guarantee so's I could get a refund too.

If it worked well enough, then removing the cladding from the card, voiding the warranty of course, might free up enough space to allow fitting a wifi or bluetooth usb adaptor if small enough and also strippped down!
Da_Blitz
i havent done that upgrade just yet but if i can rebuild the fried charging circuit on my Z i might give it a go (wrong power connector)

good point about the swap on SD, after reading the tech sheets and running the numbers 100 000 rewrites to the same cell is quite alot really, it just depends on how hard you "hit" it

i think it really comes down to usage patterns, plus i dont think that anyone has really explored how low power we could make this thing. i would be intrested to see what type of battery life i get with a fully modded Z (software and hardware hacks, underclocking, laptop mode, MD replacment, more aggresive caching and prefetching. turing off uneeded stuff)

if i do fix my Z its not going back in its case, it will be a server or robotics controller so i might put a jack in there to allow me to mesure current consumption and run some tests.
markpmc
Marc,

Thanks again for your help. I found a deal on the Seagate 8GB "PhotoDrive". I installed it during halftime on Sunday will watching the Colts bring it home smile.gif

No issues to report. I'm updating the title of the thread to make it easier for other to find.

Mark
Fushnchupsh
hey, I just wanted to give you soem happy words.
My year old 3200's microdrive died so, I replaced it with a cf card. It's been in for about a month with issues as of yet smile.gif

Now if I could find a good deal on something with mor capacity than 512MB......

--Fish
Drake01
QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Feb 8 2007, 04:51 PM)
hey, I just wanted to give you soem happy words. 
My year old 3200's microdrive died so, I replaced it with a cf card.  It's been in for about a month with issues as of yet smile.gif 

Now if I could find a good deal on something with mor capacity than 512MB......

--Fish
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What do you consider a "good deal?" I'm pretty sure I've seen 4GB CF cards for as low as US$35.
Meanie
QUOTE(Drake01 @ Feb 9 2007, 10:04 AM)
QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Feb 8 2007, 04:51 PM)
hey, I just wanted to give you soem happy words. 
My year old 3200's microdrive died so, I replaced it with a cf card.  It's been in for about a month with issues as of yet smile.gif 

Now if I could find a good deal on something with mor capacity than 512MB......

--Fish
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What do you consider a "good deal?" I'm pretty sure I've seen 4GB CF cards for as low as US$35.
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yeah, these damn things are so cheap nowadays. i remember when i bought my first one, it cost me several hundred dollars...
Fushnchupsh
laugh.gif I suppose good deal wasn't the proper use of words... I have to wait until college stops eating up my funds!!

--Fish
Drake01
QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Feb 9 2007, 04:03 PM)
laugh.gif I suppose good deal wasn't the proper use of words...  I have to wait until college stops eating up my funds!!

--Fish
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I remember those days... after buying computer / technology upgrades and beer, there wasn't much left!
Meanie
QUOTE(Drake01 @ Feb 10 2007, 10:52 AM)
QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Feb 9 2007, 04:03 PM)
laugh.gif I suppose good deal wasn't the proper use of words...  I have to wait until college stops eating up my funds!!

--Fish
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I remember those days... after buying computer / technology upgrades and beer, there wasn't much left!
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beer was cheap in those days... they gave student discounts on beer so it only cost $1... great times those were...
MrE
The 6GB Hitachi micro-drive in my SL-C3200 failed.
I have successfully replaced it with a SanDisk Compact Flash Ultra 30MB/s (UDMA enabled) card (SDCFH-008G-U46).
The card is reported in Angstrom kernel 2.6.24 as;

hda SanDisk SDCFH-008G, CFA DISK Drive
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