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EM・ONE

Source: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yamadaatmn/20070219/1171876371



Basic spec:
Release date: 31 March 2007
Operating system: Windows Mobile 5.0
Processor: Marvell PXA270 520MHz
Display: 4.1 inches W-VGA (800480) 16-bit color ASV lcd; Portrait<->Landscape modes ; touchscreen
Graphic chip: NVIDIA GoForceTM5500
Memory: Flash 512MB + SDRAM 128MB
Card: mini SD slot x 1
Connectivity: HSDPA 3.6Mbps ; IEEE802.11b/g ; Bluetooth; miniUSB (2.0?)
Input: qwerty keyboard, stylus
Audio: built-in speaker (stereo), microphone
Video-out: RGB adapter (sold separately)
Dimension: 140(W)70(H)18.9(D)mm
Weight: 250g
Camera: 131 mega pixel CMOS w/ video recording
Battery duration: about 4 hours

(Is this the successor of W-Zero3 by Sharp?)

... Looks super cool! If this can run Linux ....
danboid
dumb dumb dumb dumb

stoopid stoopid stooooooooooooooopid Sharp!

Why oh why oh why? Somebody please explain the current sick fad of this slide out keyboard form factor?! I can summarise my extreme disappointment in 2 words

CLAMSHELL

LINUX!!!

PS

Also, you should hire sash, Meanie, Mickey, Koen, hrw, Maslovsky already and pay me too wink.gif
kahm
Holy hell in a handbasket!

Why, oh why couldn't Sharp put those guts in a clamshell for us ;_;

That's a very nicely spec'd device, indeed...
cybersphinx
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Feb 19 2007, 12:59 PM)
Camera: 131 mega pixel CMOS w/ video recording
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Correction: 1.31 mega pixel camera
ogrefish
Nice one man, i dunno how i missed your post..good stuff smile.gif
Antikx
Ya... I want Linux on that.
danboid
If they could release this in clamshell form with a larger internal flash drive (4GB+) and an ARM11 CPU then we will have our Zaurus successor. These hi-res screens are great but they get scratched so easily without the protection the clamshell design brings. The clamshell design also brings the ability to adjust the angle of the screen. A potentially fantastic machine wasted on a trite excuse for an OS and form factor
cvmiller
QUOTE(danboid @ Feb 19 2007, 09:43 AM)
If they could release this in clamshell form with a larger internal flash drive (4GB+) and an ARM11 CPU then we will have our Zaurus successor. These hi-res screens are great but they get scratched so easily without the protection the clamshell design brings. The clamshell design also brings the ability to adjust the angle of the screen. A potentially fantastic machine wasted on a trite excuse for an OS and form factor
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Perhaps I just need to get my hands on a clam shell to see the benefits. I own a SL-5500 and a SL-6000, and I love them. I use an IR keyboard and can touch type. The clam shell (pick any of them) keyboards look too small to touch type. And if they are, I don't see the point. (yes the SL series have a thumb keyboard, and it is S-L-O-W).

Anyone live in Ottawa (Canada) who will let me touch (and hold) their wonderful clam shell Zaurus?

Craig...
desertrat
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Feb 19 2007, 08:08 PM)
I use an IR keyboard and can touch type. The clam shell (pick any of them) keyboards look too small to touch type. And if they are, I don't see the point.

No you cannot touch type on the the clam shell keyboards. If you're holding the machine then you use your thumbs to type, if you have the machine on a stable surface then you can peck at it with your fingers. The advantage of an onboard keyboard is that you can use it anywhere. When I'm travelling on train/bus it's pretty difficult to whip out an IR keyboard and start typing. Carrying around an IR keyboard also presents its own logistics problem.
Drake01
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Feb 19 2007, 05:59 AM)
Battery duration: about 4 hours
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Yikes!
Ling
QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 19 2007, 05:22 PM)
No you cannot touch type on the the clam shell keyboards.


OMG, you are making me recall the never ending debate on the HP 200LX BBS with those glue sniffing idiots who would swear to their grave that they were touch typing on their 200LX. The PSION's were probably some of the nicer small keyboards and even they would not even come close to touch typing. ohmy.gif
brashley46
QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 19 2007, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Feb 19 2007, 08:08 PM)
I use an IR keyboard and can touch type. The clam shell (pick any of them) keyboards look too small to touch type. And if they are, I don't see the point.

No you cannot touch type on the the clam shell keyboards. If you're holding the machine then you use your thumbs to type, if you have the machine on a stable surface then you can peck at it with your fingers. The advantage of an onboard keyboard is that you can use it anywhere. When I'm travelling on train/bus it's pretty difficult to whip out an IR keyboard and start typing. Carrying around an IR keyboard also presents its own logistics problem.
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On a relatively stable surface I can use 4 fingers and a thumb pretty quick. The keyboard layout is just different enough from North American standard Qwerty that it's best to slow down anyway.
Craig, if you're an sf fan, I'll have my C860 at the Ad Astra convention in Toronto the first weekend of March ... it's been a couple decades since I got down to Ottawa though.
Da_Blitz
that goforce chipset sounds nice, and the vga out could be handy

keyboard wise i think the mebrane ones we see suck but it is small.

i dont really see the advantage the clamshell has over the slide mechnism. however if you addeda ahinge to what they are offering (so you can slide it up to the top then fold it down like a clamshell) then i would be sold on the idea
Snappy
I'm kinda with Da Blitz on the sliding thingie, that I cannot really see an advantage that the clamshell has over the sliding mechanism when both are ultimately thumbing devices.

The few times I positioned my c1000 in laptop mode, the screen slowly snapped to the full open position, with a loud resounding 'click'!

If there is some way to get it in Asia, I might give this emOne a go ... since my c1000 is out of action and I'm ... ahhh ... really finding the 5500 trying ... tongue.gif

The 4.1" screen is tasty as well ... and I agree that if that was running linux, it would have been perfect!

Options, options ....
tg
Ok - so let's review.

Sharp managed to f**k up the best two things it ever did which are clam handheld with Linux and in return for taking that away we are rewarded with Windows Mobile and stupid camera?

I'm sorry but all the memory and connectivity options in the world can not compensate - I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
InSearchOf
QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 10:47 AM)
I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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If and when you decide to throw... make sure I'm out side of your windows with a net...

Late
desertrat
From the other "em" thread:

QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 10:16 AM)
there is 4 phone OS's on the market and only one can advertise "crasihng" as a feature

M$ is committed to provide the same user experience on mobile devices as on the desktop.
Antikx
There IS something respectable about consistency.
Snappy
QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 21 2007, 12:16 AM)
From the other "em" thread:

QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 10:16 AM)
there is 4 phone OS's on the market and only one can advertise "crasihng" as a feature

M$ is committed to provide the same user experience on mobile devices as on the desktop.
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Guys, which version of windows are you using that is crashing?

btw, I also use ubuntu /w xgl beryl in dual-boot mode with WinXP /pro.
harvell
Probably the one that has the rootkit.... tongue.gif
Da_Blitz
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
Antikx
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 20 2007, 08:44 PM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
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And the difference between M$ OS's and *NIX OS's is that you can usually fix the *NIX OS but will quite often have to reinstall a M$ OS. The popularity of M$ OS's has created a whole market for wonderful little pieces of software that fill up the registry and system directories (which doesn't help). If you are careful about what you install XP can be a very stable OS.
But we digress. tongue.gif
desertrat
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 21 2007, 02:44 AM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

How do you mean by "consistently"? If you mean you can make it crash whenever you want, then that's a whole lot different to windoze where it crashes whenever I don't want.

The trouble with windoze crashes is that more often than not it takes out the whole system.

QUOTE(Snappy)
Guys, which version of windows are you using that is crashing?

All versions up to and including Win98SE, NT and XP (I skipped ME, 2K). Admittedly with XP it crashes less often, but then this XP box is only used for playing BG2 and has only the bare essentials on it (AVG antivirus and ZoneAlarm). Back when I was still using windoze on a regular basis I would often switch on my monitor in the morning to find that Win98 had died from the BSOD (I leave my machines on 24/7). With linux I could have uptimes of weeks and months (usually depending on how often I update the kernel).
speculatrix
QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 04:47 PM)
I'm sorry but all the memory and connectivity options in the world can not compensate - I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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what's wrong with Sharp Aquos products? I have been contemplating buying one of their Aquos TVs... only I suppose I'd find it'd be a suddenly discontinued model and the new model would have a different OS, there's be no firmware updates, they'd suddenly stop selling them in my country and technical support would be cancelled...
tg
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 21 2007, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE(tg @ Feb 20 2007, 04:47 PM)
I'm sorry but all the memory and connectivity options in the world can not compensate - I'm soo pissed I hope Sharp goes bancrupt (I also feel like throwing my Aquos through the window).
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what's wrong with Sharp Aquos products? I have been contemplating buying one of their Aquos TVs... only I suppose I'd find it'd be a suddenly discontinued model and the new model would have a different OS, there's be no firmware updates, they'd suddenly stop selling them in my country and technical support would be cancelled...
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Absolutely nothing wrong with Aquos LCD - great product. I was just letting off some steam since I'm so angry with Sharp due to them replacing wonderful Zaurus with that POS that I went as far as trashing another (wonderfull) Sharp product.
Snappy
QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Feb 21 2007, 10:44 AM)
there has honestlly never been an OS i have used that i could not crash consistantly

linux is no excepition (nvidia 3d drivers with a xen PAE kernel, works everytime 3d kicks in sad.gif)

however the windows OS's i would crash without intending to do so. for refrence i was talking about windows mobile 5.
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I see ... laugh.gif ... Yes, Windows Mobile 5 ... well, it plain sucks ... even hardcore dell axim users swear on it! Some even downgraded to an earlier version just to have a stabler OS. tongue.gif

QUOTE(desertrat @ Feb 21 2007, 01:22 AM)
All versions up to and including Win98SE, NT and XP (I skipped ME, 2K). Admittedly with XP it crashes less often, but then this XP box is only used for playing BG2 and has only the bare essentials on it (AVG antivirus and ZoneAlarm). Back when I was still using windoze on a regular basis I would often switch on my monitor in the morning to find that Win98 had died from the BSOD (I leave my machines on 24/7). With linux I could have uptimes of weeks and months (usually depending on how often I update the kernel).


Oh come on, Win98 is like almost 10 years old! I have to agree that Win98 was pretty flaky ... but at the same time, the whole thing with IRQ and hardware was a nightmare! If you take a linux distro from 1998 ... I think there's a high chance that it was a challenge to install and get all the drivers working anyway.

I use WindowsXP on a daily basis, Pro in the office, Home at ... well, home! ... and neither of them crashes on me. And when some crazy app crashes, I just kill it via taskmanager. The only time my notebook BSOD was when my ram died. I promptly replaced it and I'm back in business. (Incidentally, I just sent the ram back to newegg last month and got a *FULL* refund for it! hohoho)

Notably, I don't overclock my system. Actually, I underclock it to conserve on battery life. wink.gif There was a time when I would overclock my system (cpu, ram, gpu etc) like mad, and yes, Windows (98 if I don't recall wrong) was very very unstable.
maximusz
This looks soooo coooool - except for the Windows crap on it. Here is a nice reveiw

http://www.origamiportal.com/modules/news/...php?storyid=321

It will be interesting to see a hands on review in March and to port this to Linux...... I know that this forum community is more then capable biggrin.gif
tg
QUOTE(maximusz @ Feb 21 2007, 11:16 PM)
This looks soooo coooool - except for the Windows crap on it. Here is a nice reveiw

http://www.origamiportal.com/modules/news/...php?storyid=321

It will be interesting to see a hands on review in March and to port this to Linux...... I know that this forum community is more then capable biggrin.gif
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There is no doubt that the community is capable but the question is who in the linux community will be motivated to spend any development time on this?
I think most developers on these forums by far prefer clam design so as soon as there is a new clam device out there (linux or not) that is where the focus will go - until then developers will probably continue to work on Zaurus.
If you really like this device the easiest (although not cheap) thing to do is buy OQO which gives you similar screen+keyboard design but also access to real linux distributions (x86 processor).
daniel3000
If this device is really as good as it is advertised, people will develop Linux kernels and drivers for it.

The only question is:
Will the device stay on market long enough for these people to produce good results within the life cycle of it, so it will be useful to other users, too?
With pdaXrom etc. we slowly get into the "very stable and usable" stage, but unfortunately, the hardware is not produced anymore.

daniel
tg
QUOTE(daniel3000 @ Feb 22 2007, 08:22 AM)
If this device is really as good as it is advertised, people will develop Linux kernels and drivers for it.

The only question is:
Will the device stay on market long enough for these people to produce good results within the life cycle of it, so it will be useful to other users, too?
With pdaXrom etc. we slowly get into the "very stable and usable" stage, but unfortunately, the hardware is not produced anymore.

daniel
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Exactly - and it took a while to get to this stable and usable stage (and that is after starting out with device that already had some type of linux on it). This is why I find it extremely unlikely that anyone will spend a couple of years on this to make it work well - by then it will already be obsolete (and still there is an issue of no clam which I think people on these forums care about).
ZDevil
(Lifting an amorphous gear in one hand, sinking into the pocket with another hand; chanting solemnly)
To clam, or not to clam: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the hand to suffer
The nuts and bolts of outrageous innovation,
Or to spend a fortune on a sea of penguins,
And by opposing end them?
gr8ful
LOL

That's clever, really clever.
Antikx
biggrin.gif
speculatrix
copied from the closed alternate thread:
QUOTE(nilch @ Feb 19 2007, 05:07 PM)
The only new novelty that I can find (Kudos to Sharp for still having some design chops that they started with the Zaurus) is the Dual Sliding thingie on a smartphone.
(or maybe I have missed any such earlier devices)
Here are some nice photos of the dual sliding action.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/sharps-em-o...nd-wifi/162942/
(So sharp really did ditch the Zaurus line in favour of the Pocket PC platform based PDA/Smartphone combo)
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I believe the Nokia N95 has a two-way slider - slide the back down relative to front to get number pad, up to get media controls.

the em-one is pretty nifty.
ZDevil
Can't help but drool over the demo ...

http://www.sharp.co.jp/em/s01sh/
gr8ful
Here's a hands-on mini review from a poster over at Internet Tablet Talk. He seems to be impressed with the device compared with the Nokia N800 & 770:

I just got back from a 2 week business trip in Japan, and was able to see the launch of the Sharp EM-ONE. There was a massive display and marketing push at the huge Yodabashi Camera store in Akihabara. Some observations...unfortunately my camera was back at the hotel.
(Note: I had a 770 and currently have an N800)

- The form factor feels better than the N800. The N800 to me is too slick due to the rounded edges (I also prefer the feel of the 770 over the N800). The weight, width and height feel similar to the N800, but is thicker due to the keyboard. I didn't find it to be too thick and could easily slip into a similar pocket as the N800.

1) The screen is comparable to the N800, and the NVidia video chipset is fast. Videos played full screen (using WM6) with no stuttering. Photos looked good.

2) Apps launched fast. Overall, I think the CPU felt faster than the N800.

3) Windows Mobile 5 is the OS. In my opinion, this is a much better mobile OS than the current version of Maemo. As stated on ITT, there are so many details with the the N800 interface and apps that just don't work correctly.

4) ActiveSync - WM5 syncs with Outlook and I can have all my calendars and mail there.

5) The browser was fast and the experience was similar to the N800. I didn't get to try YouTube videos though.

6) Full QWERTY Hardware Keyboard. There is an on-screen keyboard, but the vertical sliding keyboard was pretty nice to use and easy to type on.

7) 1.3 Megapixel camera. Sliding the keyboard horizontal turns the unit into a 1.3MP camera. It worked well and the pictures were not bad.

Basically that Sharp device looks like a N800 done right : no more messy and clunky Linux interface, real video playback capabilities, much better text input.
Ragnorok
- Not sure I like miniSD as the only aux storage option, nor even the fact that it's a phone. Better to have BT and a dedicated phone in your pocket for link-up than try to stuff everything in one device. In the US that locks you to a carrier ... big black mark.
- That keyboard looks about goofy as well. One would be forced to use it like an oversized thumb board. Bogus. The clamshell Zs are usable either way, table top or two thumbs, equally well. Also doesn't mention backlighting on the keys, or I missed it. I miss that terribly on the Z line, but at least I can position the display to shine on the keys in the dark. Not so this thing.
- Then it runs Winbloze. Biggest drawback of all, but if it's flashable that'll be corrected in the long run.
- All in all it looks like something designed for people who don't know what a pocket computer is. They just want some fancy doo-dad and don't care that their insecure uber-multi-phone is spreading viruses and trojans via an ad-hoc mesh network to hundreds of millions of systems wordwide.
- I'll keep my Linux, thanks...
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