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zmiq2
It seems that some pictures of the long awaited and announced Flipstart clamshell umpc have 'leaked'.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9693554-1...feed&subj=Crave
HoloVector
QUOTE(zmiq2 @ Mar 5 2007, 03:58 PM)
It seems that some pictures of the long awaited and announced Flipstart clamshell umpc have 'leaked'.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9693554-1...feed&subj=Crave
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Oh man! That is one chunky unit. blink.gif That one actually looks painful to put in your pocket. huh.gif
Antikx
One would have to buy a new wardrobe of cacky cargo pants.
Ling
For $1999, I would hope that it comes with a dufflebag of crack, a pony, a bowl of soup, a haircut, something...
Meanie
it's only a few years late being released. ie it was vapourware for years, so I wonder how many months late the delivery is when you order one... some goes for the OQO... ,y advice, stay away from these vapourware/dodgyware products that will die/become obsolete even before they even are finished designing/production...
brashley46
QUOTE(zmiq2 @ Mar 5 2007, 04:58 PM)
It seems that some pictures of the long awaited and announced Flipstart clamshell umpc have 'leaked'.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9693554-1...feed&subj=Crave
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Following the URL in the Crave article, I can't see the original review. Pulled that quickly?
Cresho
It's too thick. How am i going to squeeze that in my back pocket. Might as well use a laptop.
adf
for 2,000 us?? c'mon. That's a macbook, a linux smartphone and change. This sin't even a serious try.
Meanie
QUOTE(adf @ Mar 6 2007, 03:57 PM)
for 2,000 us??  c'mon.  That's a macbook, a linux smartphone and change.  This sin't even a serious try.
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yeah, the damn OQO originally cost $2000 when it was first released and had no competitors back then, but nowodays, there's plenty of UMPCs to choose from and asking for such a high price is just plain stupid. it's not even the top model out there...
kahm
I'm looking at either a Flipstart or a Sony UX.

Flipstart PRO:
Narrower than a UX, makes the keyboard easier to use.
Keyboard is nicer - wider spacing, keys aren't as flush
CLAMSHELL.
Battery life (~5hrs?)
Just small enough to fit in my coat pocket (where the Z is now)
Doesn't need docking stationt for the screen to be visible when on a desk.

Flipstart CON:
1.8 lbs - 816g (!!!!) Even if it did fit in the pocket, I wouldn't want it there.
Ram - only 512mb
Limited options on the docking station.
No touchscreen
Older processor/Chipset (1.1ghz P-M, 915Chipset vs the Core Solo/945 chipset in the US)
Limited options on docking station.
Vulcan's (lack of) product track record
No media card slots
Price (~2400CAD/~2000US)

Sony UX PRO:
1gb ram
Touchscreen
Great docking station.
Newer proc/chipset (Core Solo/945)
Price (~1888 CAD)
Media slots (CF/MSproDuo)
Weight (~520g)
Product availability and company commitment to product line (Lots of product refreshes, real international availability. You can buy these things in Canada now - I've played with one in the store!)

Sony UX CON:
Form-factor != Clamshell=badbadbad
Will not fit in pocket =(
Keyboard - closely spaced keys and wide device make thumb-typing a strain
Needs a stand to set it up on a desk
Battery Life (~3.5hrs)

I've come to the conclusion that Vulcan is obviously trying to screw with me. The Flipstart as was originally announced is as close to the perfect form factor as you're going to get. Even with the .3in increase in thickness it would be okay, but at 816g it's too heavy. It also lacks a touchscreen, and at this price I weep that it only has 512mb of ram. For $1000 less I could get the same specs in the UX.

On the other hand, the Sony UX has nearly the perfect guts. Light and fast, with a modern chipset and a gig of ram. It's a beautiful thing to use and it has better expansion options. If they made it in a clamshell form factor I'd buy one instantly and never look back. Unfortunately, I don't like the slider form factor much at all, and the keyboard suffers greatly because of it.

Aagh.

I think I'm going to have to buy the Sony now and wait till Vulcan comes out with a V2 of the flipstart. The current one is too heavy and too expensive for what you get. If it had 1gb of ram or was cheaper I could deal with it but, if the leaked specs and price are correct, it'll be a no go for me.

And that genuinely makes me sad. How long is it going to be before someone gets it right? sad.gif
Snappy
Looks more like a NSMPC ... NotSoMobilePC ...
zmiq2
Looks very ugly; why after 4yr of the firt c700 can't anyone fit a more powerful cpu, more ram and wifi/bluetooth inside the Z?
ArchiMark
After watching the slideshow over at the PCMag.com review, I realized that the VaporStart (I mean the FlipStart..) is really just a reincarnation of the lil' ol' 1998 vintage IBM PC110 that I had for a few weeks a year ago!!!

The same 'cute chunky' design, but about twice as heavy....

Thing is that I only paid a few hundred bucks to get the PC110...

As they say, "What goes around, comes around".....

wink.gif

PS. Kahm you should look at that other lil' TPC design that may be coming out in the not too distant future, US702W...seems like it would give the best of both worlds, clamshell or tablet usage....

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/huangtei&article_id=6120021
Antikx
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Mar 6 2007, 11:03 AM)
As they say, "What goes around, comes around".....
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Even the 80's styles have come back *shudder*
(sorry if I offended anyone wearing acid-washed jeans) wink.gif
speculatrix
I took a look at the picture and though "what a dumb photo, there's a drop shadow which makes it look really thick".. and on looking closer realised the bottom case is actually two tone. Or am I seeing things?

This thing is hugely overpriced. You could buy a Kohjinsha (sp?) or a SonyTX or a Sony UX with a Nokia tablet for fun, along with a 3G/GSM/GPRS/EDGE data card and still have change to pay the cellphone data charges for 6 months!

IF this thing had come out two years ago when it would have been the only kid on the block, it might have achieved some market impact, but I think it's just a joke!
speculatrix
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Mar 6 2007, 06:03 PM)
PS.  Kahm you should look at that other lil' TPC design that may be coming out in the not too distant future, US702W...seems like it would give the best of both worlds, clamshell or tablet usage....

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/huangtei&article_id=6120021
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oooh, been reading and suffered instant lust
found some more info:
http://onlyumpc.com/tag/us702
http://www.umpcportal.com/journal/2007/01/...eries-umpc.html
harvell
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Mar 6 2007, 02:39 PM)
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Mar 6 2007, 06:03 PM)
PS.  Kahm you should look at that other lil' TPC design that may be coming out in the not too distant future, US702W...seems like it would give the best of both worlds, clamshell or tablet usage....

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/huangtei&article_id=6120021
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oooh, been reading and suffered instant lust
found some more info:
http://onlyumpc.com/tag/us702
http://www.umpcportal.com/journal/2007/01/...eries-umpc.html
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Still couldn't find anything on price... dry.gif
ArchiMark
OK, kahm, better have your pampers on....

video of actual FlipStart!!!!.....

http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/

Check it out!!

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speculatrix
the jkOTR video is v good for showing realistic use... makes me think I was overly damning. still, want to know how well it would run linux.. and whether there'd be a UMTS/3G version of the flipstart for the Uk & Europe.

specs here, with sizes. hmm, backlit keyboard!
http://www.flipstart.com/specifications.html
Snappy
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Mar 8 2007, 06:12 AM)
the jkOTR video is v good for showing realistic use... makes me think I was overly damning. still, want to know how well it would run linux.. and whether there'd be a UMTS/3G version of the flipstart for the Uk & Europe.

specs here, with sizes. hmm, backlit keyboard!
http://www.flipstart.com/specifications.html
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Still ... with that kind of money ... one could get a pepperpad, a zaurus and a cheap notebook! wink.gif
Antikx
They sent me an Email that you can "Reserve your Flipstart Now". rolleyes.gif
For a screenshot of the email and a bit more info: http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/488
Meanie
QUOTE(Antikx @ Mar 15 2007, 11:37 AM)
They sent me an Email that you can "Reserve your Flipstart Now".  rolleyes.gif
For a screenshot of the email and a bit more info: http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/488
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Its their way of "locking you in" by promising you that you will get one and making you stop looking for other better devices since you are feeling that you got one on reserve. Otherwise you probably would had gone and found something else in the meantime since you probably need to wait a few months because you have it reserved and then when it is finally available, you will need to wait a further few months until your reservation gets to the top of their order processing and then another few months for them to get stock....
seen this kind of crap happening too often and I am not prepared to wait for stuff that will be half obsolete by the time it is available...
adf
QUOTE(Meanie @ Mar 15 2007, 01:51 AM)
QUOTE(Antikx @ Mar 15 2007, 11:37 AM)
They sent me an Email that you can "Reserve your Flipstart Now".  rolleyes.gif
For a screenshot of the email and a bit more info: http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/488
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Its their way of "locking you in" by promising you that you will get one and making you stop looking for other better devices since you are feeling that you got one on reserve. Otherwise you probably would had gone and found something else in the meantime since you probably need to wait a few months because you have it reserved and then when it is finally available, you will need to wait a further few months until your reservation gets to the top of their order processing and then another few months for them to get stock....
seen this kind of crap happening too often and I am not prepared to wait for stuff that will be half obsolete by the time it is available...
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LMAO. OQO really pissed you off, huh?
B_Lizzard
First word that comes to my mind when I see the Flipstart is "potato".
kahm
The US702 is beautiful indeed, but too big. If I were in the market for another Libretto-like unit it would be perfect.

I've seen that JKOTR video - The Flipstart looks very interesting.

The Flipstart with the slim battery is what I want. I'm just afraid it will cost $3000 to get it - I could almost buy *2* Sony UXs for that price ;_;
ArchiMark
QUOTE(kahm @ Mar 23 2007, 09:34 AM)
The US702 is beautiful indeed, but too big. If I were in the market for another Libretto-like unit it would be perfect.

I've seen that JKOTR video - The Flipstart looks very interesting.

The Flipstart with the slim battery is what I want. I'm just afraid it will cost $3000 to get it - I could almost buy *2* Sony UXs for that price ;_;
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I'd love to see a US702 in person and try it out...looks like Libretto-like sizewize...

The FlipStart is intriguing to me in many ways, only wish I have for it is that it come with at least 1GB RAM, larger HD, and touchscreen.... rolleyes.gif

Don't understand though, kahm, how you get up to $3K for FlipStart with slim battery?? FlipStart with large battery is $2K.

Don't think they'll charge $1K for slim battery??

Or are you outside USA and thus including import fees, etc???
Antikx
Incase your interested... the Flipstart is for sale now: http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/582
I screen cap of the email is attached.
speculatrix
I'm adding a donation button to my website just in case someone wants to buy me one wink.gif
zeigerpuppy
Doesn't 3 hours battery life seem altogether too short?
I think I'll stick with the zaurus for the moment!
speculatrix
I see the flipstart has come down in price to a "mere" US$1500.
Capn_Fish
...for which price you can get a decent desktop, a monitor, and a Zaurus with numerous accessories, while still having some money left over.
adf
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Oct 14 2007, 03:47 PM) *
...for which price you can get a decent desktop, a monitor, and a Zaurus with numerous accessories, while still having some money left over.

or a Laptop, a Z, and a phone (and BT & wifi cards)..and if you are careful maybe even an external drive.
Yeah, I wouldn't walk around with that much cash on a regular basis, and cash is comparatively tough- you can drop it and put it through the wash and it still spends just fine, in fact you can store it almost indefinitely and it doesn't become obsolete (usually). smile.gif
ArchiMark
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 14 2007, 03:15 PM) *
I see the flipstart has come down in price to a "mere" US$1500.



You should get two of them at that price....

wink.gif
Antikx
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 14 2007, 05:15 PM) *
I see the flipstart has come down in price to a "mere" US$1500.

Ya. they really missed the boat with this device.
the Fujitsu U1010 (A.K.A. U810) looks like a similar device except it's $1000 and arguably better.
speculatrix
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 15 2007, 01:26 AM) *
I wouldn't walk around with that much cash...cash is comparatively tough... and it doesn't become obsolete (usually). smile.gif


erm, the dollar is IS trying to do that at the moment, I'd take euros instead please ph34r.gif
speculatrix
flipstart close-out sale?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/16/flipsta...little-worried/
raduga
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 17 2008, 05:32 AM) *



I've been thinking for awhile about posting, but hadn't gotten around to it, but,

I'm a "semi-early adopter", having bought one at the last price reduction ($1500)-

would anyone be interested in a mini-review? or a full-indepth review?
From a Linux/ha[c|k|q|x]/Zaurer/geek perspective???

I will give you a one-line, 16-char review-

($700? great smile.gif )

_______________

slightly extended:

It's an evolutionary update to the Z design.
It's pocketable(*).
It has a functional keyboard.
It's faster than a Z and more capable.
Nearly all hardware (except for camera) is supported(*)
It's probably not the Z-killer you dreamed of.

If pocketability + keyboard + linux are your main criteria, its probably worth the $700


(*) some caveats. will post more if any one wants.
Snappy
Just saw the news ... think they did themselves in on this one. Got too greedy with pricing + suddenly avalanche of sub-$1k umpcs totally change the whole landscape.

If they don't dump their stock now, they will become very exp door stops in no time. Esp when Asus is so aggressive with its sales and marketing of the eeepc! wink.gif

Anyway, at $699, I would probably not get it as well. It's too fat and bulky. tongue.gif
I'll get the eeepc with that $.

Think they are dropping stock at cost price. ... ...
relapse808
For 1999 that is too expensive for its specs. I have the Sony UX 390 and although it isnt a clamshell I still love it. Woot.com had a deal about 3 days ago for a 390N for 1299 and that was a really great deal for what you are getting.

Edit: just saw the closeout. 699 is a good deal i think for what you are getting
raduga
QUOTE(relapse808 @ Jan 17 2008, 11:01 AM) *
For 1999 that is too expensive for its specs. I have the Sony UX 390 and although it isnt a clamshell I still love it. Woot.com had a deal about 3 days ago for a 390N for 1299 and that was a really great deal for what you are getting.


Is $699 still too much for the FS' specs?

QUOTE(snappy)
If they don't dump their stock now, they will become very exp door stops in no time. Esp when Asus is so aggressive with its sales and marketing of the eeepc!

Anyway, at $699, I would probably not get it as well. It's too fat and bulky. tongue.gif


While I'd agree: FS is too fat and bulky, it's hella lot less fat and bulky than the eepc smile.gif
eepc is probably a much better "general purpose small notebook", and cheaper only helps-
but if it can't be stowed in a pants or jacket pocket, to me that makes it a different class of device-

from those (like Zaurus, UX, OQO, FS, (Fujitsu??)) which can.
speculatrix
I'm definitely interested, if I didn't have an ultraportable already I'd be considering it strongly.

What's the keyboard like compared to the FUjitsu u810/u1010/u8240??

raduga
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 18 2008, 12:17 AM) *
I'm definitely interested, if I didn't have an ultraportable already I'd be considering it strongly.

What's the keyboard like compared to the FUjitsu u810/u1010/u8240??


I've only ogled and poked at one very briefly at the local Frys;
I would say, Fujitsu's kb is probably better than the FS.
The keys seem sculpted, and larger even if there's very little travel.

FS keyboard is.... larger than the Zaurus, but all-in-all about equally annoying smile.gif
Not really a step up or a step down, imo.
Sony/OQO in comparison, are both smaller and less usable.

What bugs me about the Fujitsu is... its total volume. e.g. "just a little too big".

Did you end up with one of them?
I might have a dubious proposal if you do...

speculatrix
QUOTE(raduga @ Jan 18 2008, 05:26 PM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Jan 18 2008, 12:17 AM) *

What's the keyboard like compared to the FUjitsu u810/u1010/u8240??

What bugs me about the Fujitsu is... its total volume. e.g. "just a little too big".

Did you end up with one of them?
I might have a dubious proposal if you do...


erm, at the moment we're just finishing extending/renovating our home, so there's no money for gadgets sad.gif
jpmatrix
still no one have bought this flipstart ?
i'm looking for some reports wink.gif
ralphrmartin
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Feb 20 2008, 12:27 PM) *
still no one have bought this flipstart ?


I'm trying to get one from dynamism, but they are not very dynamic in sorting out our order from the UK...
scottlfa
Skipped on the flipstart after reading some very pointed reviews. Went for the UX280, loving it. ALMOST picked up a U810 though ... it was SOOOOOO close.
jpmatrix
QUOTE(scottlfa @ Mar 14 2008, 03:22 AM) *
Skipped on the flipstart after reading some very pointed reviews. Went for the UX280, loving it. ALMOST picked up a U810 though ... it was SOOOOOO close.


congrats!
i was looking for an ux280 and finally i found a Fujitsu U1010 smile.gif

by the way i've to say goodbye to the zaurus world sad.gif huh.gif
ArchiMark
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Mar 14 2008, 03:51 AM) *
QUOTE(scottlfa @ Mar 14 2008, 03:22 AM) *
Skipped on the flipstart after reading some very pointed reviews. Went for the UX280, loving it. ALMOST picked up a U810 though ... it was SOOOOOO close.


congrats!
i was looking for an ux280 and finally i found a Fujitsu U1010 smile.gif

by the way i've to say goodbye to the zaurus world sad.gif huh.gif


Sorry, to see you go, jpmatrix!!

It may not happen to you, but after selling my 3200, I really missed it....

It took awhile, but I finally ordered another one a week ago, so my new Z will be here next week!!!

So, just warning you about selling your Z............

wink.gif

espi
The flipstart is just too ugly. When a thin flipstart2 comes out, I'll check it out.
The 4th Q of this year is going to be sickening with all the cool small gadgets coming out. I just hope that we get a clamshell.
I love the u810, especially the "StormTrooper" style u1010, but will likely get the p1620/kohjinsha sr8 at some point over the next couple months.
speculatrix
QUOTE(espi @ Mar 22 2008, 12:18 AM) *
The 4th Q of this year is going to be sickening


maybe expensive, but sickening? I can still find new things to do with my Zaurus and N800, even though you might think I'd be bored by now - there's a lot of things I do, or experiment with, that would be easy on a full laptop, but being able to do it on a portable device is so much more fun! Like everyone, I wish these devices had faster CPU, more memory, more storage, longer battery life, lighter weight, etc, but each new device has new compromises!

the flipstart seemed so promising, but turned out to be a big slab. the vulcan is still vapourware. the only UMPC that really interests me is the Fujitsu but the keyboard IMHO is its achilles heel!
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