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freizugheit
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/technolog...e-obsolete.html

Do you agree with the article?

Google Reader is strongly recommended!!!!
desertrat
QUOTE(freizugheit @ Apr 4 2007, 02:48 AM)
Do you agree with the article?

No way! I would not trust my data to be potentially held hostage by a nameless corporation.
Cresho
It doesnt matter, windblows vista sends data to microsoft anyway!
Meanie
QUOTE(Cresho @ Apr 4 2007, 02:59 PM)
It doesnt matter, windblows vista sends data to microsoft anyway!
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if they did that without consent, then they'd be violating several privacy laws..., but they can always force users to let them by making people click ok as the only option...

as for the obsolete things, i remember many years ago, when oracle announced that PCs would be obsolete in a few years and replaced by little boxes, ie network computers which were fancy little multimedia boxes that had no harddisks and software installled locallly....

this is just the same concept revamped but using the internet as the medium.... might be useful for those for whom privacy is not a concern, ie generation y, but for most businesses any other sane people who don't like letting people freely snoop through their private things, its a no brainer.
Antikx
QUOTE(desertrat @ Apr 3 2007, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE(freizugheit @ Apr 4 2007, 02:48 AM)
Do you agree with the article?

No way! I would not trust my data to be potentially held hostage by a nameless corporation.
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You could have your own data storage server setup in your basement.
Capn_Fish
QUOTE(Cresho @ Apr 3 2007, 11:59 PM)
It doesnt matter, windblows vista sends data to microsoft anyway!
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I'm glad I got rid of Windows on all of my systems yesterday, then. =)

I like having all of my data/programs stored locally. It makes me (more) certain that somebody's not digging through my files.
Antikx
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Apr 4 2007, 08:50 AM)
I'm glad I got rid of Windows on all of my systems yesterday, then. =)
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We had a "Windows-Free Home" ™ for 3 years.
Instead of spending time fighting viruses and spyware I was constantly tweaking the family Linux computer to do what Windows users expect a computer to do. rolleyes.gif
Capn_Fish
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 4 2007, 10:12 AM)
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Apr 4 2007, 08:50 AM)
I'm glad I got rid of Windows on all of my systems yesterday, then. =)
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We had a "Windows-Free Home" ™ for 3 years.
Instead of spending time fighting viruses and spyware I was constantly tweaking the family Linux computer to do what Windows users expect a computer to do. rolleyes.gif
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That's what I do for fun anyway.
adf
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 4 2007, 03:12 PM)
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Apr 4 2007, 08:50 AM)
I'm glad I got rid of Windows on all of my systems yesterday, then. =)
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We had a "Windows-Free Home" ™ for 3 years.
Instead of spending time fighting viruses and spyware I was constantly tweaking the family Linux computer to do what Windows users expect a computer to do. rolleyes.gif
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Had? Had?! Heretic! Apostate! Infidel! you loaded windows on something?

(actually my wife uses XP and I occasionally use win2k on vmware or qemu, and of course, I use Cedega )
Antikx
QUOTE(adf @ Apr 4 2007, 07:09 PM)
Had?  Had?! Heretic! Apostate! Infidel!  you loaded windows on something?

(actually my wife uses XP and I occasionally use win2k on vmware or qemu, and of course, I use Cedega )
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smile.gif
We upgraded our aging Pentium II 350 for an Intel iMac on the employee purchase plan almost a year ago. It dual boots Mac OSX and XP MCE but Bill Gates doesn't see much of us due to Mac OSX doing almost everything we need.
I don't mind Windows, I just like OSX/BSD and Linux better.
adf
Ok-- I rfa'd.

I'd love to have web based apps running on the web server in my den. I might be interested in hosting them with my lunarpages account.

I really like gmail. I'd probably really like the other stuff, but I keep several email addresses because I don't entirely trust google. Why start with the other software, too?

I'm not exactly always online. At work I have a proxy server--I'm really not inclined to tunnel out just to use a word processor. And, as you might guess, a lot of Ak isn't well covered by wifi or even gprs. Dependancy on web based apps would get anoying pretty quickly, I bet.

Oh...and yeah--maybe putting all my data on somebody else's boxes might be kinda dumb.

OTOH if the web based apps could be easily hosted....well that could be a big win for IT anyplace with a large lan/wan setup.
Meanie
QUOTE(adf @ Apr 5 2007, 04:06 PM)
Ok-- I rfa'd.

I'd love to have web based apps running on the web server in my den. I might be interested in hosting them with my lunarpages account.

I really like gmail. I'd probably really like the other stuff, but I keep several email addresses because I don't entirely trust google. Why start with the other software, too?

I'm not exactly always online. At work I have a proxy server--I'm really not inclined to tunnel out just to use a word processor. And, as you might guess, a lot of Ak isn't well covered by wifi or even gprs. Dependancy on web based apps would get anoying pretty quickly, I bet.

Oh...and yeah--maybe putting all my data on somebody else's boxes might be kinda dumb. 

OTOH  if the web based apps could be easily hosted....well that could be a big win for IT anyplace with a large lan/wan setup.
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gmail has backdoors whereby a hacker can access anybody's imap folder... plus googles does not backup their mailboxes and merely rely on raid. so far their hardware has been good, but with time, there will be failures so storing stuff on google is not so safe, but for stuff you don't care about or things you have your own backups anyway, like photos you just want to access easily, gmail is good enough...
as for a web based word processor, yeah, great idea for like composing birthdayinvites, but i wouldn't want to do my business plan somewhere that any entry level hacker has access to...
freizugheit
For confidentiality, one can think of using encryption before uploading the data.

For backup, one can store a copy of encrypted data in each of cyberspace storage sites. But do not forget to keep a copy in your own backup system at home and last but not least, do remember your passwords of private keys.
desertrat
QUOTE(freizugheit @ Apr 5 2007, 07:34 AM)
For confidentiality, one can think of using encryption before uploading the data.

That's feasible only for "general" data and "bulk" online storage facilities. For stuff like eg google calendar, how do you encrypt the entries? Although it's possible to rewrite the app so that the contents are encrypted before they're sent off to the server, but you still always have to keep some "plain text" meta data. Compare with a pgp encrypted mail, the contents are protected but the mail headers by necessity are plainly visible.
desertrat
QUOTE(adf @ Apr 5 2007, 06:06 AM)
OTOH  if the web based apps could be easily hosted

It would be nice if they made gmail open source then I could host my own smile.gif
desertrat
QUOTE(Cresho @ Apr 4 2007, 04:59 AM)
It doesnt matter, windblows vista sends data to microsoft anyway!

I stopped using windoze last century cool.gif
daniel3000
QUOTE(Meanie @ Apr 5 2007, 08:26 AM)
gmail has backdoors whereby a hacker can access anybody's imap folder... plus googles does not backup their mailboxes and merely rely on raid. so far their hardware has been good, but with time, there will be failures so storing stuff on google is not so safe, but for stuff you don't care about or things you have your own backups anyway, like photos you just want to access easily, gmail is good enough...
as for a web based word processor, yeah, great idea for like composing birthdayinvites, but i wouldn't want to do my business plan somewhere that any entry level hacker has access to...
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Yes, this is a general problem with the paradigm of centralized storage of data.
You have to trust someone or some company, in order to feel good storing your data there.

But nowadays you cannot even trust your government anymore, let alone companies who are interested in making money and may not hesitate to use the users' data to make even more money, on which way ever.

Technically, centralized storage would be a great thing.
But for the above reasons, I don't like it too much. And that's where the Zaurus comes in very handy. Lots of storage space, but alwas in my own pocket and under my control. Or better: Under my responsibility. Of course, if it gets stolen or lost, it's not under my control anymore, but so I have the responsibility to protect it against such things.

For example, when I was at Cebit in March, I carried the Zaurus in a belt case and used the little wrist wrap notch to "connect" the Zaurus with a 50cm strong line with my belt. That way, I could be quite sure that it wasn't stolen from out of that belt case, but I could still pull it out and use it frequently during booth hopping.

Just a small example, but there are much more ways to make sure your data isn't abused or even only lost, if you have the data with you (and probably backed up at home) than if it is stored online.

Using your own storage you can also choose the way you encrypt your data or use other protection schemes. Of course, if you don't do it, your data may be less safe than when stored online in an encrypted way.

I agree it's much more troublesome "at the moment" to have your data always with you and appropriately protected.
But it may cause much more trouble once the data is available online and abused.

It's always a trade-off of personal priorities, kind of data, trust and care.


BTW Meanie, what makes you so sure about google being unsafe in the ways you described? I have hear rumors of backdoors in GMail, but I have also heard that these rumors are only based on the fact that Google's main business is collecting and indesxing information for fast and easy public search, which could be an obvious way of abusing personal emails.

So, if google intended to do something like that, they should not wonder about missing trust.
The other aspect is technical - if google tries hard to protect the user data, but technical limits prevent them from doing this effectively (simply because hackers are always a step ahead in development), google is not responsible for the missing trust. But then, no company will ever get that necessary trust.

A much-discussed topic, I recently heard a discussion about a similar topic between listeners / users and representants of the government on local broadcast, and it is scaring how different the users' opinions are about this.
The topic was to which extent the government should be able to look into the personal data stored on personal computers in order to be able to prevent terrorism. Also an interesting aspect in a discussion about online storage...

daniel
desertrat
QUOTE(daniel3000 @ Apr 5 2007, 09:32 AM)
The topic was to which extent the government should be able to look into the personal data stored on personal computers in order to be able to prevent terrorism. Also an interesting aspect in a discussion about online storage...

Yesterday I heard a news item on the BBC about how many laptops/notebooks are confiscated by the US immigration/customs, one businesswoman claims that her notebook was taken over a year ago and it's still not returned. And they're not just targetting visitors, an American lawyer returned from an overseas trip and had his computer seized.
daniel3000
Wow. In such a case, I would accuse the government of theft. ph34r.gif

daniel
adf
QUOTE(daniel3000 @ Apr 5 2007, 02:49 PM)
Wow. In such a case, I would accuse the government of theft.  ph34r.gif

daniel
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... for all the good it would do you. blink.gif our Gov't doesn't seem to be very answerable for its behaviour these past few years.
Snappy
QUOTE(Antikx @ Apr 4 2007, 11:12 PM)
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Apr 4 2007, 08:50 AM)
I'm glad I got rid of Windows on all of my systems yesterday, then. =)
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We had a "Windows-Free Home" ™ for 3 years.
Instead of spending time fighting viruses and spyware I was constantly tweaking the family Linux computer to do what Windows users expect a computer to do. rolleyes.gif
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You know Antikx ... this is exactly the predicament. Many years back, when I was still in college, I dabbled with DOS, Win3.1/1 and much later Win95, but also OS/2 warp and linux (slackware) .... but that was then ... when tweaking hardware and software was a major preoccupation of mine.

Today, I'm more into actually using the system to do stuffs, be it surf the web or do some work. The thought of having a less-than-adequate system that I have to tweak just to have the minimal functionality that I have in windows is not very entertaining. And every other week, I keep chancing on new cool apps to run on Windows XP ... so I've been giving the ubuntu dual boot the cold shoulder.

Maybe when the new release of ubuntu goes live in a few weeks time, I'll try it out again.

Got a strange feeling that my complete move to ubuntu/linux will be motivated by MS, when they totally drop support for XP and drivers for new hardware stop appearing for XP. I've seen vista and don't fancy it a bit.

Will see how ...
Fushnchupsh
@snappy
I am a student who works full-time so functionality is a very high priority of mine. I need fairly basic things (web surfing, word processing, presentation making and photo storage/editing) I find that ubuntu dapper fits my needs without much tweaking. This is in comparison to the first time I tried to migrate completely to linux(7 years ago?) and I had to fiddle with everything. It doesn't seem that way anymore. In fact, I was so happy the other day. I found out my canon photo/document printer works- just plug and play. I don't know if you tried dapper. Maybe I am just really lucky with my beloved Fishtop. Just my experience.

have a great day everybody smile.gif
--Fish
Capn_Fish
QUOTE(Fushnchupsh @ Apr 7 2007, 09:33 AM)
@snappy
I am a student who works full-time so functionality is a very high priority of mine.  I need fairly basic things (web surfing, word processing, presentation making and photo storage/editing)  I find that ubuntu dapper fits my needs without much tweaking.  This is in comparison to the first time I tried to migrate completely to linux(7 years ago?) and I had to fiddle with everything.  It doesn't seem that way anymore.  In fact, I was so happy the other day.  I found out my canon photo/document printer works- just plug and play.  I don't know if you tried dapper.  Maybe I am just really lucky with my beloved Fishtop.  Just my experience.

have a great day everybody smile.gif
--Fish
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I had the same experience, with both Dapper and Edgy. The only thing I had to do to get everything to work (aside from the SD reader, which apparently is a focus of Feisty Fawn) on my laptop was install the 915resolution package and restart X. Wifi worked out of the box, and my networked printer took a whole 5 or so clicks to set up. Overall a great experience.
Antikx
Ya. The free desktop has come a long way.
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