[quote=desertrat,Apr 13 2007, 09:32 PM]
Are you living in the US by any chance? Because the reports that we read (or I read) from outside the US is that scientists/researchers are gagged and/or denied funds if they don't toe the Bush regime's line on climate change: [/quote]
That's not correct.... I live in the US and it's the complete opposite situation here now.
Scientists and climatologists who don't go along with the Stalinist global warming kooks party line and drink their global warming kool-aid are being harassed and silenced...
[quote]The articles I've read indicate some correlation between industrialization and global warming, but I haven't seen anything that proves a cause-and-effect relationship. And, I've heard a number of arguments for a natural cycle.[/quote]
You've probably been influenced by this:New Scientist: Oil giants' money fuels a climate of suspicion
Not sure what proof you need (accept):
Whilst you may argue over what contributes more to global warming - human activities or natural cycles, the cause of human activities and its effects on global warming should be in no doubt.[/quote]
Yes, they should be in doubt, as their is no actual scientific proof that human activities are contributing to global warming...
Besides the sun's solar activities and the ocean floor vents I've already mentioned in earlier posts are the main cause of climate change (not global warming as there are parts of the world that are actually cooling...), if anything else is contributing to the situation it's all the cows around the world producing methane gas every day!!
So, maybe the global warming crowd should focus there energy (no pun intended...) on either
1) Killing all the cows and making them into hamburgers or
2) Putting catalytic converters on their rear ends or
3) Collecting all the methane gas so that we convert our cars to running on methane and have cheap gas!
[quote]Yes. Do I believe that the world is doomed because of global warming caused by our society? I haven't seen enough unbiased evidence that I feel confident in making a decision either way.
[/quote]Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
The fact is that some places are melting but some place are not melting but growing...
Once again, I think that there are too many non-critical thinkers out there you who just swallow hook, line, and sinker, what the anti-American, anti-industrialization, anti-capitalist, anti-Bush, leftist, environmental wacko crowd wants you to believe.....
Think some of you need to widen your horizons a bit.....expand your reading lists and listening lists too....get out of the 'echo chamber' you're in where you're just repeating the same stuff back and forth between your same like-minded buddies without ever really hearing other legimate perspectives....
Just my 2¢ (as we say in the good ol' USA...).....