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ghostshadow
This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close. Basically it's an ultra portable. It's going to be flash based. I think with 4gb of storage at launch, there are rumors of an 8 gig and possibly a 16 gig one will be out too.

It will have 512 megs of ram which is shared with the video, it will also have built in wifi, usb, audio jacks. (i hope a PCMCIA slot) 5200mAh battery. It looks like it's going to be a nice little machine, it will come factory shipped with Xandros, it will also be able to run XP (yeuck) if desired. But, of course XP will cost you an additional 100 dollars.

The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular. With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability. I really think it'll be a nice little success, I just hope it'll have a PCMCIA slot for additional wifi cards wink.gif

Edit: here it is on linux devices.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9292516116.html

I want one, very cool.
desertrat
QUOTE(ghostshadow @ Jun 27 2007, 05:14 PM)
This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close.
Jeez, you must've giant palms smile.gif It's twice as long and twice as wide as the Z.

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The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular.
For that price it's a pretty good portable device.

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With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability.
It will only be cool if you can easily install your own flavour of Linux and hence have access to a full range of apps. If you're stuck with some embedded version of Linux (like eg Qtopia on the Sharp rom) with no easy to compile/port standard linux apps then it will be of marginal interest to me. That's why pdaXrom rocks smile.gif
adf
QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 27 2007, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE(ghostshadow @ Jun 27 2007, 05:14 PM)
This thing looks pretty nice. It's not a palm sized device, but it's pretty close.
Jeez, you must've giant palms smile.gif It's twice as long and twice as wide as the Z.

QUOTE
The unit is priced at 200 USD, which sounds spectacular.
For that price it's a pretty good portable device.

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With it having linux already embedded, I really think it's going to be a really nice companion, especially for the hackability.
It will only be cool if you can easily install your own flavour of Linux and hence have access to a full range of apps. If you're stuck with some embedded version of Linux (like eg Qtopia on the Sharp rom) with no easy to compile/port standard linux apps then it will be of marginal interest to me. That's why pdaXrom rocks smile.gif
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I was thinking a pdaXrom port to this and other olpc-alikes would be a good idea, actually.
B_Lizzard
Hothardware's preview of the Asus Eee, if you haven't seen it yet.
Capn_Fish
Looks good. These mobile devices keep getting better (and, luckily, cheaper).
ghostshadow
Wow,

Those pictures were awesome! It looks really sleek I think. SD slot and 4 usb 2.0's. Hmm, it'd be sweet if it could boot from one of those ports. If it can, then installing a different distro might be feasible. I hope!
Snappy
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Jun 28 2007, 05:52 AM)
Looks good. These mobile devices keep getting better (and, luckily, cheaper).
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Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif

Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.

I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.
desertrat
QUOTE(Snappy @ Jun 29 2007, 04:19 AM)
Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif
Maybe Intel are doing an M$ and are giving away the CPUs to Asus - in an attempt to undermine the OLPC? Note that Intel's own "low cost" effort isn't exactly low cost, but they cannot afford to sell it at lower than cost price without facing charges of dumping - they can sidestep that by making a deal with Asus. Am I sounding too much like a conspiracy theorist? smile.gif

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Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.
At less than $200 I shouldn't think they have much difficulty shifting units especially to Linux enthusiasts. But it's not going to be released until Autumn and I can't wait laugh.gif

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I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.
I believe their pricing was very reasonable considering what you got for the money. Remember it came with a full productivity suite builtin (Word, Sheet, Data etc) which eg on the Palms you had buy 3rd party apps for. The memory and screen was far bigger than any Palm of that vintage. As for the wince machines some may have had better hardware by the time Psion withdrew from the market, but they were and still are crippled by an inferior OS and inferior bundled apps. The bottom line is that for the other machines to begin approaching the productivity that you can get out of a stock Psion you would have to spend a fair bit of money on 3rd party apps - so IMO the Psions are very good value for money. Then there are the things that money can't buy - the excellent keyboard, the stability of the OS, the benefits of an OS specifically designed around the peculiarities of a small device.
adf
Yeah--- re the unfair competition in an attempt to killl the olpc and either addict or exclude the poor-- I'll buy an olpc for more, and wit for it, too---if they really intend to sell them to individuals
zodttd
I heard it will be 200 pounds. Which is closer to the $350 range.
Snappy
QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
QUOTE(Snappy @ Jun 29 2007, 04:19 AM)
Yeah, especially the cheaper part! It's like did they just discovered some underground mines that has a huge cache of pre-fabbed casing or cpu wafer? Or did they had an overnight meeting and decided to stop fleecing us like killing babies? tongue.gif
Maybe Intel are doing an M$ and are giving away the CPUs to Asus - in an attempt to undermine the OLPC? Note that Intel's own "low cost" effort isn't exactly low cost, but they cannot afford to sell it at lower than cost price without facing charges of dumping - they can sidestep that by making a deal with Asus. Am I sounding too much like a conspiracy theorist? smile.gif


It is possible. smile.gif They could do it to push for their Intel platform, like by subsidizing the per chip cost with marketing or business development funds. The wonders of accounting! tongue.gif

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
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Anyway, I hope consumers don't hold out too long that the manufacturers loose interest in this new segments.
At less than $200 I shouldn't think they have much difficulty shifting units especially to Linux enthusiasts. But it's not going to be released until Autumn and I can't wait laugh.gif


Aye ... that's why the Kohjinsha is such a winner ... biggrin.gif ... it is delivered. And although it still misses the $500 price and all day computing promise, I would say that it is one of the closes hit compared to other UMPC devices.

The one thing I hope manufacturers realise is that when they open up their platform, whether through open sourcing their whole OS, or at least provide a comprehensive SDK, then users and hobbists alike can develop apps and grow their platform. Think Palm & Psion.

QUOTE(desertrat @ Jun 29 2007, 01:52 PM)
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I was reading the psion history article and I could not help but wonder how much of psion's demise was due to its bad pricing.
I believe their pricing was very reasonable considering what you got for the money. Remember it came with a full productivity suite builtin (Word, Sheet, Data etc) which eg on the Palms you had buy 3rd party apps for. The memory and screen was far bigger than any Palm of that vintage. As for the wince machines some may have had better hardware by the time Psion withdrew from the market, but they were and still are crippled by an inferior OS and inferior bundled apps. The bottom line is that for the other machines to begin approaching the productivity that you can get out of a stock Psion you would have to spend a fair bit of money on 3rd party apps - so IMO the Psions are very good value for money. Then there are the things that money can't buy - the excellent keyboard, the stability of the OS, the benefits of an OS specifically designed around the peculiarities of a small device.
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Guess you are right, I should be honest with myself. When the psion was out, I was still a broke student and the retailers and businesses here do not necessarily bring in good stuffs in those days. They only cared about short term matters like paying the bills and not planning long term strategies such as working on partnerships with OEMs, though I should confess that OEMs may not be interested with small frys as well ... tongue.gif

Anyway ... yes, Psions are quite useful productivity tools, matter of fact, as I mentioned in another thread, I've got the psion emulator installed so that I can use the Agenda program amongst others.

Let's see how this pan out. Hopefully, these companies would open source their contribution so that their implementation is not stuck in one device. Then again ... ...
Snappy
QUOTE(adf @ Jun 29 2007, 03:38 PM)
Yeah--- re the unfair competition in an attempt to killl the olpc and either addict or exclude the poor-- I'll buy an olpc for more, and wit for it, too---if they really intend to sell them to individuals
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Well, Intel is a business entity. But still, sometimes it is quite a sad human state to see how they will criticise a project or vision just on the merit (or demerit) that it is proposed by a business competitor. *sic*

Reminds me of politicians.

I wonder if there will ever be the day when businesses (or politicians) will give due praise to their competitor's work and not just criticise based on banner and slogan.

ok, getting too complicated for this thread ... tongue.gif
adf
The way I see it, though is not that Intel/MS want to rplace the OLPC with something better and cheaper. They want to squeeze it out, even if it means short term losses to them. Afterwhich, they will attmpt as near a perfect monopoly as possible and abuse it to the extent they can. We really shouldn't tolerate this sort of thing-it was obviously immoral at the end of the 19th century. Why should we excuse it as "just business" at the beginning of th 21st? Are trying to model ourselves on the more unfortunate extras from "The Sporanos?." Businesses can be held accountable to standards of decent and reasonable behavior if we want them to be. This is why, for example, we have governments ( Hobbes figuired out this bit 300 years ago).
desertrat
But the problem is that governments (members of government to be precise) are funded by businesses to look after their interests. You have to break that vicious circle.
adf
Yeah... we do have a problem along those lines theae days
Snappy
You are right, no one should tolerate such business practices, and no one is advocating that we should. smile.gif

This is a bit like what Moore mentioned in an interview for Sicko, about how it does not make sense that a basic thing like medical care is linked to profit margins.

To regulate or not regulate. hmmm ....
ZDevil
Found a nice preview of this beast:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13177

Very temping indeed... rolleyes.gif
adf
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Aug 25 2007, 11:06 PM)
Found a nice preview of this beast:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13177

Very temping indeed...  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, it is tempting--and the OLPC is nowhere to be had, yet. I guess I'll sit on my hands til some more reviews, distros, etc come out--and maybe the OLPC will show by then too.
freizugheit
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13366

Two pricings: namely US$200 and US$400.

The prototype looks promising and runs Linux too.

It could be a real Zaurus killer if they are available.

ZDevil
It's out! And according to the news it's selling darn fast!

An "open-box" report in a Chinese forum in Taiwan: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=...=422828&p=1

Another thread with lots of nice pictures: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=...mp;last=3855560

Prices
7,999.00 TWD (~244.5 USD) = 2GB SSD, 256MB DDR2 Ram
9,999.00 TWD (~305.7 USD) = 4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram
11,000.00 TWD (~336.3 USD) = 4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

Speed(-y) performance (with the *cheapest* model)
Booting up: 35 seconds
Firefox: ~40 seconds
OpenOffice 2.0: 10 seconds

Edges over the Z: (my little 2 cents tongue.gif )
SSD, builtin Wifi (but not bluetooth, well a usb bt dongle just costs a few bucks now), camera, SDHC support, 3xUSB (on both sides -- nice!), 5,200 mAh battery, Debian-based Xandro (gimme the .deb-z!), Skype (YES!)
... and most importantly,
the top model is even cheaper than a new SL-C3200!

For now only the white casing is available. Once the black one (it's printed on the box) is out I will surely grab one ... while waiting for the news for its 2nd generation.

Running a native toolchain this beast will be a true Z killer!
RX Shorty
Looks pretty interesting if you ask me.
Think of buying one too.

But a Zaurus killer?
Hmm Don't think it is the same range.
It is a bigger then the Zaurus (fits in your pocket)
Then again a sweet device!

Anybody knows some shops outside Asia?

Thanks biggrin.gif
Antikx
Looks like a great device, thanks for the info!
My opinion is that it's a laptop replacement more then a Zaurus replacement.
speculatrix
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!

then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-int...raportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce...-fcc-treatment/ for followup)

we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons
adf
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 16 2007, 02:44 PM) *
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!

then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-int...raportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce...-fcc-treatment/ for followup)

we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons

Blech. This was cool for about $200 USD. Not pushing $500 for the minimal config. i bet anyone who makes the nanobook will sell it for twice its recommended price, too. At thes prices, a laptop and a smartphone look like a better bet.
ZDevil
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 17 2007, 12:44 AM) *
13,888.00 TWD (~424.6 USD) = 8GB SSD, 1GB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera

that's quite expensive when you consider how cheaply you can get a regular laptop now - I think the Kohjinsha/miniVye is a much better ultraportable - the older models are relatively cheap now. 8GB - you can get that in an SDHC card for less than US$70 now!
then there's the via nanobook things, admittedly US$600 but so much more of a real computer!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/via-int...raportable-lap/
(-edit- see http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/01/fics-ce...-fcc-treatment/ for followup)
we live in interesting times, so many new things around, so hard to discern their true pros and cons


I think rather differently. tongue.gif
A laptop at this price would be a piece of crap. Heavy, short battery life, not so portable. Something that I very probably would feel like throwing against a hard solid wall. I also bet it won't launch OOo in 10 secs.
And in what sense is the kohjinsha much better than this? The old model always suffers from short battery power (2 hours). And i am not sure which linux distro now can run on this beast. The new models of Kohjinsha are at least twice the price of the top model of Eee PC.
SSD is surely way better than a mechanical harddrive.
Isn't the nano book planned to sell at $600? That's a lot more expensive and for that price difference, as you say, I can buy one (or two) very big SDHC cards. or an external hard drive plus an external DVD burner.
Perhaps I will hold out until a second generation of Eee PC with a newer processor for umpc and cheaper SSD (by that time) shows up.
The fun part of the Eee PC is you can truly have a decent and cheap "snap'n go" laptop replacement.
I am becoming less and less sure about the idea of a "zaurus replacement". Since my Zaurus is now running full Debian (full OpenBSD earlier on), i think it is now fair to compare (relatively) small gadgets with the same price range as the Z (i mean the C3x00 models; Cxx0 and C1000 are not so up to the job to (although they still can) run full distros, though. I guess I am talking about the real "cost performance ratio" and no religion or aesthetics.
adf
I dunno-- for price/performance I'd be happier to spend $500 on a refurb laptop. Here is a result of a 10 second search ($529 usd) from the first site I clicked on:
Compaq Presario C304NR Notebook

* Compaq Presario C304NR notebook meets all your computing needs
* Laptop features the fast 1.6GHz Intel Celeron M420
* Convenient notebook is must have portable computer
* 512MB RAM
* 80GB hard drive
* DVD/CD-RW combo drive
* 15.4 inch TFT flat panel display
* 56K modem
* NIC
* Win XP Home operating system
* Windows Vista capable

This high-quality item has been factory reconditioned. Please click on the icon above for more information on quality factory-reconditioned merchandise.

Shipping: Leaves our warehouse in 1-4 business days.*

Warranty: 90 Day - Manufacturer
Materials: electronics
Model No: rl177ua
Dimensions: 10.2 in. L x 14.1 in. W x 1.38 in. D

I would guess that by looking more closely one could do better.

Not a miracle machine, but it'd open ooo quick enough, and handle on-the-road web stuff (I use nvu and moodle a good bit) pretty well. I'm not buying anything either, but I would have picked up an eeepc at the announced price to display and encourage that sort of highly portable inexpensive technology. At close to the price of the laptop above, the eeepc seems sillly. If it were a more powerfule device, or a more portable one, it'd be different. In my case, anything that doesn't fit in my pocket will see almost the entirety of its use near an ac or a dc (car) outlet. Even my Z, when travelling is mostly near a wall socket or a car socket--how much more true would that be of something that REQUIRES that it be carried in a bag? If we agree (and you are free not to, of course) that even the eeepc will go in a bag and be mostly near external power sources, then what is gained? The light weight is really nice, but the trade off in power and screen real estate seems to me to be problematic, and not offset by simply the weight issue, or better battery life. If there were no Z's, and I thought I'd use the eeepc as a portable media player, or something, that might be different--but phones (aside from the Z) do that stuff as well as cheap tiny dedicated devices--and both can have excellent battery life while remaining pocketable (Same for email, and other traveller's necessities).

I guess I'm disappointed in the eeepc mostly because I thought that maybe there'd be some light, inexpensive, portable gadget that would really suit students in the U.S. and since the OLPC won't be appearing here anytime soon, I'd hoped the nano or the eeepc would fit the bill.
ZDevil
Hey, but now you are talking about a different price range (> 500 USD). You may keep adding a bit more then we have the UPMCs, which may not be worth the money because many of them are even more expensive than my macbook (I got it for around 1200 1050 USD)
I would be quite happy with the 2nd top model (4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera). The speed test of the lowest end model already shows quite impressive result. And the idea of having SSD is not for one to put everything in there. The SDHC port plus 3 USB hosts will suffice for mobile solutions.
This 326 USD (2/3 of the price of my 3200) can actually give me something the 3200 cannot.
To balance my view, what Eee and the like cannot beat the Z at this stage is pocketability and touchscreen.
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.
Capn_Fish
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 17 2007, 03:25 AM) *
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.

Totally agree.
fpp
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 16 2007, 09:11 PM) *
And in what sense is the kohjinsha much better than this? The old model always suffers from short battery power (2 hours).

That is backwards. The original Kohjinsha (the SA1), with the AMD Geode CPU and XP, has a terrific autonomy with the standard battery (4.5 to 5 hours). It's the newer ones (SH6 and SH8), with the same Intel CPU as the EEE and Vista, that have a problem (barely 2 hrs).

As for the comparison between the SA1 and the EEE :

SA1 pros:

- builtin bluetooth
- swiveling screen with joystick & mouse/scroll buttons (sort of tablet mode sans touchscreen)
- fanless
- great battery life
- easily upgradable (disk/RAM)

SA1 cons:

- crappy keyboard
- not sold outside japan

Depends on user :

- not natively Linux
- hard disk instead of flash
adf
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 17 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Hey, but now you are talking about a different price range (> 500 USD). You may keep adding a bit more then we have the UPMCs, which may not be worth the money because many of them are even more expensive than my macbook (I got it for around 1200 1050 USD)
I would be quite happy with the 2nd top model (4GB SSD, 512MB DDR2 Ram, builtin camera). The speed test of the lowest end model already shows quite impressive result. And the idea of having SSD is not for one to put everything in there. The SDHC port plus 3 USB hosts will suffice for mobile solutions.
This 326 USD (2/3 of the price of my 3200) can actually give me something the 3200 cannot.
To balance my view, what Eee and the like cannot beat the Z at this stage is pocketability and touchscreen.
Then again, I still think of my buddy Z as the best gadget I've ever had (since I haven't got an Eee yet). It is just full of fun and has the most amazing possibilities among all handheld computers.

Sorry, I thought it said $464-- In fact, given the price of the n810, I'm inclined to rethink my criticism. Maybe one of these lurks in my future smile.gif
ZDevil
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....
adf
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


Yeah, but neo1973 is still developer preview?
If Nokia N810 had phone functionality ... rolleyes.gif
snk4ever
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 26 2007, 08:43 PM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


This is my plan for an ultimate combo for 2008. Selling some of my extra geeky stuff right now. But I still keep the Zaurus for fun of course !
adf
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 11:57 PM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
A nice review of Eee PC at notebookreview.com
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4044

This beast is really selling darn fast! Many of my friends are planning to get one. But the shops keep running out of supplies ....

WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif


Yeah, but neo1973 is still developer preview?
If Nokia N810 had phone functionality ... rolleyes.gif

Neo is supposed to be out this winter. the openmoko website is certainly looking like they are gearing up for buisiness
speculatrix
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 07:18 PM) *
Neo is supposed to be out this winter. the openmoko website is certainly looking like they are gearing up for buisiness


well, the good news about the FIC Neo is that Trolltech have adopted it as their platform (dropping the greephone, which a friend tells me is quite a good but very basic phone), so, even if the Openmoko people don't get beyond having a stable kernel (I'm told by a friend of the friend who has greenphone that his recently received openmoko doesn't even boot!), at least you can run all the Qtopia-phone stuff!

ZDevil
Qtopia is Cool!
I hope it is the new Qtopia instead of the good old one like the Sharp rom ...

Afterthought:
Wait... Perhaps I don't really need the Eee PC for now. The Neo1973 will also make a very nice companion to my debianized Zaurus. laugh.gif
desertrat
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.
adf
QUOTE(desertrat @ Oct 30 2007, 04:29 AM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.

argh.

Ah well-- I need to put some money in my truck right now anyway- and My Z & good old nokia are doing their jobs very well.
snk4ever
QUOTE(desertrat @ Oct 30 2007, 05:29 AM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Oct 27 2007, 04:43 AM) *
WOuld make an awesome combo with a neo1973, wouldn't it?smile.gif

Unfortunately, not really. I just realised that the eee doesn't have either bluetooth nor irda - sure you can get dongles for both, but it would have been a lot better if Asus had included one or both.

Yes, that sucks but the free mini-pci slot that is available on this should save us !
Of course it will be an aditionnal cost but still it's doable.
fpp
Beware : it's a mini-pci-EXPRESS slot - quite tiny !

...but some clever hackers have already put that tiny space to good use, for NT and more :
Chinese forum post, Google-translated
RX Shorty
Well it is going to be very expensive if you want to buy the Windows version, but then again who wants that?

I pre-orderd a Linux one... still pretty expensive in the Netherlands.
And have to wait until January... huh.gif
Tom61
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites. I can only hope the sales of this model will end up being enough for them to release the 1024x600 8G model later on.
fpp
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?
Tom61
QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 2 2007, 05:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?


It is more opinion than fact, but yes, I have tried it. I have both a Nokia 770 and a Libretto 100CT with 800x480 displays and have browsed the web with them. IMO, while tolerable for quick things, longer uses (say over lunch) the horizontal scrolling gets to be annoying, and is even worse for Flash based sites that expect 1024x768. While likely a huge step up over browsing the web on a VGA Zaurus(I've only had a QVGA Z in the past, so I can't say), it still has limitations for my usage. Even the reply window on this forum is bigger than 800 pixels wide. Switch to 800x600 resolution and size a Firefox window to fit that, you might be surprised how limiting it can be with some websites.

I'm still contemplating purchasing it anyway, as my Lifebook is still down, and I'm not sure I can revive it. sad.gif Around $300 to replace it with another P1120, or $400 to get a serious step up in processing power and RAM, but with a lower resolution display.
adf
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:24 PM) *
QUOTE(fpp @ Nov 2 2007, 05:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 1 2007, 03:32 PM) *
The 800x480 screen is pretty much a deal-killer for me. I'd gladly replace my Lifebook P1120, which is down right now anyway, with this if it had a 1024x600 display. I can put up with the limited onboard storage, and the lack of Bluetooth, but browsing on a 800x480 is not good enough for many websites.

Do you know this for a fact ? Have you actually tried it ?


It is more opinion than fact, but yes, I have tried it. I have both a Nokia 770 and a Libretto 100CT with 800x480 displays and have browsed the web with them. IMO, while tolerable for quick things, longer uses (say over lunch) the horizontal scrolling gets to be annoying, and is even worse for Flash based sites that expect 1024x768. While likely a huge step up over browsing the web on a VGA Zaurus(I've only had a QVGA Z in the past, so I can't say), it still has limitations for my usage. Even the reply window on this forum is bigger than 800 pixels wide. Switch to 800x600 resolution and size a Firefox window to fit that, you might be surprised how limiting it can be with some websites.

I'm still contemplating purchasing it anyway, as my Lifebook is still down, and I'm not sure I can revive it. sad.gif Around $300 to replace it with another P1120, or $400 to get a serious step up in processing power and RAM, but with a lower resolution display.

Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)
Tom61
QUOTE(adf @ Nov 3 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)


There is a VGA out port that goes to 1280x1024. I suppose you could take a PocketTV converter for hotel use. I'm not sure how many people that would suit, though. For me, I would use this for times I would be away from a monitor or TV I could control. I have a box at home that is much more powerful.

I've been looking into retrofitting a different display into the spot where the current LCD is. I'll need a lot more information on the LCD interface, and how much space there is in the top.

Download Squad released a couple of videos of the software with the shipping version of the unit(definately view before deciding to purchase one):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ5PWFRFBs

Some bad points; the 'advanced desktop' option is gone, only 1.2 GB of storage free, websites don't all work well with the resolution and they recommend the 'Fuller screen' extension to mitigate the limited vertical size, and the normal add/remove programs only have updates to the programs that it ships with so far.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTLEQdifeBU

Some good points; the terminal is invokable, and Konqueror can be loaded from there, full Synaptic is available and you can add Debian repositories to it. More bad, but likely fixable; the applications installed via Synaptic don't show up in the basic desktop.
speculatrix
it's not as expensive as first thought - well, only if you happen to get five for the price of one!
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/02/five_eee_pcs/
adf
QUOTE(Tom61 @ Nov 3 2007, 04:02 PM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Nov 3 2007, 10:58 PM) *
Has anyone looked into the video out options? a mid sized lcd is fairly cheap for home use (and I bet most of us have acquired an extra monitor or two, anyway)... what about conversion for tv screens at hotesl (I know ..a likely loss in resolution, but fine for movies)


There is a VGA out port that goes to 1280x1024. I suppose you could take a PocketTV converter for hotel use. I'm not sure how many people that would suit, though. For me, I would use this for times I would be away from a monitor or TV I could control. I have a box at home that is much more powerful.

I've been looking into retrofitting a different display into the spot where the current LCD is. I'll need a lot more information on the LCD interface, and how much space there is in the top.

Download Squad released a couple of videos of the software with the shipping version of the unit(definately view before deciding to purchase one):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdZ5PWFRFBs

Some bad points; the 'advanced desktop' option is gone, only 1.2 GB of storage free, websites don't all work well with the resolution and they recommend the 'Fuller screen' extension to mitigate the limited vertical size, and the normal add/remove programs only have updates to the programs that it ships with so far.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTLEQdifeBU

Some good points; the terminal is invokable, and Konqueror can be loaded from there, full Synaptic is available and you can add Debian repositories to it. More bad, but likely fixable; the applications installed via Synaptic don't show up in the basic desktop.

One would think the desktop could be replaced entirely....or edited to suit. I hope Asus hasn't decided to make that difficult
brashley46
Okay, I've actually had my hands on one now for five minutes ... it's cute, and powerful, but the regular Xandros KDE desktop is missing, and I'd really rather have that. (But I run Xandros on my home desktop machine, so I'm used to it.)

The only one Canada Computers on College Street in Toronto had left was a return, because the wifi wasn't connecting. So I don't know what the 'net looks like on the boxlet. The display is readable, though.
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