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ZDevil
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 15 2007, 06:10 PM) *
And the shop showed me an pamphlet of asus saying the black and the pink models have a smaller battery (3 hours vs. 3.5 hours in the white one).


Now I know the truth: the one with less battery is the "surf" version (smaller battery and without camera).

... My temptation lasts very very short.
Because I just bought a black e701 (4GB, w/ camera) today!
I just couldn't resist when the black model stared at me.
Got spellbound. Too bad. laugh.gif
And i saw a new post in a Chinese forum talking about running dual-booting: Linux on SSD, XP on SD(HC).
Another one reporting implanting a 8GB mini PCI-e (from the 8GB model) on the 4GB model's board. Both the SSD and the mini PCI-e can coexist and work together ... So there is no need to buy the 8GB model (unless you want the extra 512MB RAM -- but it is darn cheap now, just 25~30 USD for 1GB).
harvell
Nice... I think I may buy a black one for myself. My wife is using hers and won't let me touch it. I guess that's cool cause if I did take it over it's like buying her a fishing rod for Christmas biggrin.gif. The more I think about it I am using my Z less like a pocket pda or pc and backpacking it more.
adf
I decided to buy an eeepc today smile.gif I went online and looked at the options. I decided I liked the 4 gig "galaxy," then saw I could have an 8 gig for a mere 75 usd or so more. (the 8 gig has a gig o ram vs the 512 on the 4g). That put the price a little over 520usd. I wanted the thing for simple web editing, site management--stuff that is possible but awkward on the z (for me) as a regular thing. My wife suggested I compare the eepc with other options suitable for that purpose. I ended up spending 600usd on an Acer 5520-5912: 2 gigs o ram 15 inch screen turion64x2 58, etc... My Z remains my ultraportable, and my new Acer (which I need to get linux on) is a still portable, if hardly pocketable wysiwyg demon smile.gif

ZDevil
QUOTE(adf @ Dec 18 2007, 06:43 AM) *
I decided to buy an eeepc today smile.gif I went online and looked at the options. I decided I liked the 4 gig "galaxy," then saw I could have an 8 gig for a mere 75 usd or so more. (the 8 gig has a gig o ram vs the 512 on the 4g). That put the price a little over 520usd. I wanted the thing for simple web editing, site management--stuff that is possible but awkward on the z (for me) as a regular thing. My wife suggested I compare the eepc with other options suitable for that purpose. I ended up spending 600usd on an Acer 5520-5912: 2 gigs o ram 15 inch screen turion64x2 58, etc... My Z remains my ultraportable, and my new Acer (which I need to get linux on) is a still portable, if hardly pocketable wysiwyg demon smile.gif


If you only want the eeepc to run linux, the extra 4 gig disk space and 512mb ram are not absolutely necessary. A big SDHC (like a 8gb) can make up for that: swap, frequently written files (like the firefox profiles), mass storage, etc.
Interestingly, the bigger screen and keyboard actually make it a more productive mobile tool. For example, I can touchtype and type much more and faster than on the Z, and I can read all my PDF files on the go *comfortably*. Using it on the train doesn't feel uneasy at all.
And I don't have to worry about the smaller and less uptodate Xandros repos, not to mention any Zaurus/architecture-specific hacking and compilation anymore ... After spending one night going through all the fine-tuning of Xandros, this morning I decided to make a leap of faith and my 701 galaxy black put on eeexubuntu 7.10r2 (Gutsy)! It's just a regular ubuntu with the proper resolution (VGA) and the addition of some drivers specifically for eeepc (such as the wifi card). Setting things up takes just less than an hour, and it is ready to roll!
Also when installing xubuntu I used gparted (included in the installer) to merge /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Now my eeepc has reclaimed ~2gb disk space!
I've tried to carry it around and to the library. Despite being larger than the Z (about two and a half Z as a rough measurement), i have a real lightweight minilaptop to do my real work more efficiently everywhere.
Here is a small experiment: stop using my Z for a week and stick to the new eeepc. A verdict should come out after the initial excitement. biggrin.gif
adf
I think that if I didn't already have my 3100, I would have bought niether the 3100 nor the 15" laptop, but rather just bought an eeepc. The cost would be much lower (in any configuration) and honestly even a 15" laptop rates more as luggable than portable. The eeepc would have suited my mobile needs nicely, being light portable, linux, and something useable without a desk (or desk substitute). What caused me to rethink the eeepc was that the Z is more portable, but less powerful (and much worse at wysiwyg type stuff)--I like the Z, though, and wanted to keep it. Given the Z's capabilities, it seemed like I'd do better with something that overlapped the Z less and complimented it more. Hence a cheap new laptop.
ZDevil
I have added a Transcend 8GB Class 6 SDHC (cheap, just around 45 USD only) as an additional (permanent) diskspace to store various frequently written files (such the stuff in /tmp and /var), the whole user home directory, firefox profiles and caches, and everything in /usr/games and /usr/lib/games (where most game packages are installed in *buntu, including the giant game data files). wink.gif
Here are the pointers again for those who are interested:
Installation method (including making a live USB/CD!): http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
Installing all alternative distros:
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/#installing_altern...erating_systems
Discussion: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewforum.php?id=15 , or more specifically http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=5005 for eeexubuntu.
ZDevil
I have just set up Compiz and it just works so BEAUTIFULLY!

Even though I am also a Mac user, I've never imagined that this kind of fancy effect can happen to Linux, and now on the EeePC!!

My 701 Black only has 512MB RAM but Compiz just works without any noticeable performance lag or resource (CPU, RAM) drain. Amazing ...

Instructions:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=59943#p59943
http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/2...p-Compiz-Fusion

Will shoot a short video when free. cool.gif
speculatrix
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 21 2007, 01:20 PM) *
I have just set up Compiz and it just works so BEAUTIFULLY!


Maybe because it's easy to do fancy visual effects on a low resolution screen? tongue.gif

I tried compiz/fusion on my sony tx2, spent 5 minutes thinking "wow" and then got sick of it and turned it all off. then again, when I occasionally use win XP and vista, I switched off all the bling (my computer->properties->advanced->optimise performance) and use the "windows classic" theme.
ZDevil
Well, as a mac user, I just feel more at home with the Compiz interface. smile.gif

After a couple of weeks of trial, my 701 black has arisen to be my choice machine on the road, leaving the Z "in the pocket".
Came across an interesting review noting the resemblance of Eee PC and Psion Seris 5/ netBook: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/re...ee-PC-4G-701/p1
jpmatrix
if you wait some (!), you'll have compiz on the zaurus tongue.gif just kidding wink.gif

actually, that eee is terrible for me........i bought the zaurus to be the perfect companion for a 3G-smartphone then comes the eee which would be a better terrible match.........but i just don't want to sell my Z back....... terrrrrrrible.......
ZDevil
What's even more "terrible" is somebody shows how to install a touchscreen panel and HSPDA module to this scandalous device:

HSPDA panel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1K8woV4C4M

Touchscreen panel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8-BbOWVgXg
Snappy
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Jan 3 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Well, as a mac user, I just feel more at home with the Compiz interface. smile.gif

After a couple of weeks of trial, my 701 black has arisen to be my choice machine on the road, leaving the Z "in the pocket".
Came across an interesting review noting the resemblance of Eee PC and Psion Seris 5/ netBook: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/re...ee-PC-4G-701/p1


Sadly, it was only a cursory remark without much of a comparison ... sad.gif

But yes, the resemblance is uncanny! ... The main difference, and a good one at that, is that the eeepc is cheap while the netbook is not! wink.gif

Not to mention that eeepc runs linux, has wifi, bluetooth, sd-slots and USB ... oh and VGA out built-in! biggrin.gif
ZDevil
See how Otto Berkes, aka the father of UMPC, thinks of the Eee PC in his weblog:

http://ottoberkes.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/sweet-spot/

In retrospect, it's interesting to witness the big leap from R2H to Eee PC in every respect (specs, cool factor, OS, PRICE).
Snappy
Yeah, price is one of the *BIG* factor here. Had the zaurus been sold at say $199 instead of the high MSRP ... maybe it may had been crowned the gadget king and not be written off as a great device that got EOLed.

I'm certainly glad that Asus got their pricing right! It may not be the dream UMPC incarnation for some (I know it is for many ... last I check, a million and counting! cool.gif ), but it definitely delivered on many promises that a UMPC is supposed to be. It is not instanton (yet), but its suspend and quick boot up time is good enough for me. Its 3.5hrs of real usage is less than an ideal of 5~7 hr usage for a UMPC, but a 6cell batt from Asus should draw us into the 4~5 hour range for now.

Hopefully the next gen eeepc work on 1) Batt life 2) 2 SD slot and 3) 8~9" lcd with thinner bezel. smile.gif
ZDevil
Yes, personally the battery duration of the eee pc is still wanting even though it lasts for 3~3.5 hours and is longer than most UMPCs in the market, with the exception to Everun, which can last for around 6 hours!
But the design of Everun is really an acquired style, particularly the weird thumbboard. I once held it in a shop, and I simply don't know how people can hold it vertically and thumbtype with two hands. The keyboard region is too cramped and small and the screen standing upright feels so heavy that the machine tends to fall over if I don't grap it firm enough. Laying it down and typing just with the right hand is totally beyond my capacity. The key layout is strange, such as the super tiny [SPACE] button (it just can't be seen as a proper key).
ZDevil
Perhaps what sets this bloody cheap & tiny eee pc apart from other laptops and UMPCs (and perhaps the Z as well) is that:

-- it enjoys the luxury of extreme tortures by physical and elemental attacks: http://www.dailymotion.com/search/eee/vide...aleur-froi_tech

-- it is privileged to get ripped apart for all sorts of crazy implantations:
http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/E...ternal_Upgrades
jpmatrix
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Feb 22 2008, 01:59 PM) *
Perhaps what sets this bloody cheap & tiny eee pc apart from other laptops and UMPCs (and perhaps the Z as well) is that:

-- it enjoys the luxury of extreme tortures by physical and elemental attacks: http://www.dailymotion.com/search/eee/vide...aleur-froi_tech

-- it is privileged to get ripped apart for all sorts of crazy implantations:
http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/E...ternal_Upgrades


+1 for the eee ...
i think i'll go to a famous french computer shop in Paris tonight....... just to see it..... wink.gif
Snappy
Aye ... I really laughed when I saw the video via eeeuser.com! ... Makes me wonder how much cold sweat the owner had while doing the vid! wink.gif

Just some thoughts about the eeepc after a few weeks of usage and twinkering:

Take a look at the wiki here http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ and tell me it is not the least daunting for an end-user. ohmy.gif ...

I'm not complaining abt the eeepc (ok, I am a bit! tongue.gif ), but I'm hoping that the next version would have a shorter list => that by default, the system should do what most people want it to do already. eg, if the user upgrades the ram to 2gb, he should not need to build his own kernel or download and install a new kernel. I mean, this is 2008, not 1986 or something right? Call it bloatware, but in my usage of PCs since mid 80s, upgrades of ram either worked or not mainly because the mobo supported it or not. The OS almost always supports it by default. ok, DOS was the only time that one had to do silly things like EMM386, know XMS from EMS, and use stuffs like DOS4G http://www.tenberry.com/dos4g/index.html just so that the extra 4mb ram can be used instead of limiting the app to the lower 640kb.

1gb ram kernel ceiling in 2008? Ahem. rolleyes.gif

Sporadic support for hardware. To eeepc and more correctly linux credit, support is *way* better. But I really wonder how many of the wiki tips are something only for hackers or something that a normal avg user would have to go through. hmmm ...

Anyway, had more ranting ... but after doing some google search for the DOS/4G name, I kinda recall how 'fun' and 'exciting' owning a pc was back in the 80s to mid 90s, when the next hardware upgrade you get may just break your pc and require hours and nights to set dip switches and hunt for drivers to download. So in retrospect (compared to DOS (or linux) machines from 80s/90s era, the eeepc is really as good as it gets.

ok, let me tuck into some more eeepc love! biggrin.gif
speculatrix

when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)
jpmatrix
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 25 2008, 11:53 PM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)


by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?
speculatrix
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:57 AM) *
by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?


there's no such thing as too much memory or too much storage smile.gif
Snappy
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)


Aye ... and for myself, I'm fine with 7" or 8" or even 9" ... I just hope they trim down on that bezel. Likewise for the Z, I would love my C1000 even more if it has a consistently thin bezel all round. That's partly what makes Thinkpad, Sony Vaios, macbook & iTouch or iPhones that bit sexier. smile.gif

The trick is having a useable keyboard, thin bezel, respectable screen, all in a handy form factor.

Good thingie going for the eeepc is that it is hot in the stoves and development is coming along aggressively while the Z is not available at all. sad.gif smile.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 01:40 PM) *
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:57 AM) *
by the way, i saw an eee in a shop which was either with a 2Go RAM or a 16Go SDHC.... do you think the eee needs 2GO RAM ?

there's no such thing as too much memory or too much storage smile.gif

Just a fact about my real use: upon loading Xfwm and synaptic (set to always look for new packages), only less than 200MB of RAM is used. And I've got no plan to run XP/Vista, so no need to boost up RAM for Ramdisk, pagefile, blah, and my 701 remains perfectly comfortable with the stock 512MB. wink.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(Snappy @ Feb 26 2008, 05:14 PM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
when the asus fff comes out - the eee's successor (I'm making up the name) then I might be interested in one for my daughter. A bit more memory, a modestly larger screen higher res, and I think it'd be great... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)

Aye ... and for myself, I'm fine with 7" or 8" or even 9" ... I just hope they trim down on that bezel. Likewise for the Z, I would love my C1000 even more if it has a consistently thin bezel all round. That's partly what makes Thinkpad, Sony Vaios, macbook & iTouch or iPhones that bit sexier. smile.gif
The trick is having a useable keyboard, thin bezel, respectable screen, all in a handy form factor.
Good thingie going for the eeepc is that it is hot in the stoves and development is coming along aggressively while the Z is not available at all. sad.gif smile.gif

Agree. Thin bezel is a hallmark of aesthetic value on gadgets. The Eee PC, the Z, N810, most UMPCs all fail this.
But thinner bezel means more power for display, and cost of production, unless a newer and better and less power-hungry processor is used (this may probably come true for fff). And the keyboard is already maximally minimal (for real touchtyping), so reducing the bezel mustn't further trim down the keyboard.
Also remember what makes the Eee so hot is the magical price tag, as well as quite a reasonable battery life.
Of course, I'd definitely love to have a ggg, and more perfectly, a zzz, then I will finally retire my z. tongue.gif
ZDevil
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Feb 26 2008, 06:53 AM) *
... once I install a decent OS (suse :-)

How about this: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=6136 ? cool.gif
Meyer
I got to handle an Eee for a while at the store today and was disappointed to find that the keyboard is too big for two-thumb typing while holding the unit in my hands, the capability that makes the Z such a great mobile device.
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