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HoloVector
Now this looks interesting to me!

WiFi
Safari browser
Wireless iTunes
16GB Flash storage
same dimensions as the iPhone but only 8mm thick
iPhone's multitouch screen.

Engadget's Photo Gallery

Anyone else interested!?

Looks like Apple just stepped back into the PDA business. cool.gif
gr8ful
I'm very, very interested. However, if the iPhone software hacks are solid and I could use it on T-Mobile, the newly repriced 8GB iPhone at $399 looks even better. I give up 8GB but I can replace my Z and my phone.

My only issue is that I like ebooks in various formats and there is not a reader on the iPhone or the iPod Touch. You can read pdfs through Safari which is a plus.

My Z's days are numbered. I'll own one of these Apple products before year end.
freizugheit
With Wifi, Skype should work and it becomes WiFi-iPhone, PDA, Internet tablet, MP3 player.
T3_slider
It's hardly a PDA. All it can do is play music, videos and surf the 'net. You can't enter a memo, you can't type up anything significant, there is no e-mail client, etc. etc.

Unless you can freely add third-party apps to this thing it's a nice looking piece of crap. It's basically a regular iPod with a web browser and WiFi (and less storage space). The only hope of this thing ever being used as a PDA is if it can operate nicely with Google Docs (and even then you would need a WiFi connection). For that price I may as well just get a regular iPod with a much larger capacity (big hard drive instead of small flash) for music and videos, because I would still have to carry my Z or another PDA around to actually do anything.

The only purpose I could find for this is browsing the web while sitting comfortably on a couch or something (ie use it as a mobile internet device).
Meanie
QUOTE(HoloVector @ Sep 6 2007, 04:35 AM)
Now this looks interesting to me!

WiFi
Safari browser
Wireless iTunes
16GB Flash storage
same dimensions as the iPhone but only 8mm thick
iPhone's multitouch screen.

Engadget's Photo Gallery

Anyone else interested!?

Looks like Apple just stepped back into the PDA business.  cool.gif
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that's what i would call a web enabled multimedia toy/device
adf
QUOTE(Meanie @ Sep 5 2007, 07:50 PM)
QUOTE(HoloVector @ Sep 6 2007, 04:35 AM)
Now this looks interesting to me!

WiFi
Safari browser
Wireless iTunes
16GB Flash storage
same dimensions as the iPhone but only 8mm thick
iPhone's multitouch screen.

Engadget's Photo Gallery

Anyone else interested!?

Looks like Apple just stepped back into the PDA business.   cool.gif
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that's what i would call a web enabled multimedia toy/device
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I suppose this means that the next-next-gen chinese knockoff of the nextgen i-phone should really rock smile.gif
Da_Blitz
i wonder what the specs are, and if someone can port linux to it wink.gif
snk4ever
It's not really a PDA as is. But with linux on it, a lot of things would be possible !
tg
This is nice but for me there are still a few key things missing:

1. Broadband wireless (my typical usage scenario is laptop+wifi at home so I see no reason to use smaller devices instead of laptop at home). But I do not want to carry laptop to work every day so broadband wireless or at least bluetooth + cell phone modem are key for train trips).

2. At least 64GB flash storage (or CF/SD slot) (I want all my music with me - no compromise)

3. EBook reader

Which means I wait another year or two for some future release of iphone touch (or even better some new clamshell umpc similar to zaurus)
HoloVector
Actually, it has Contacts, Calendar and a Notes Taking app so your basic PDA functions are there and it has a sync function that you don't have to jump through hoops to get working for Windows and MacOS X which is what a larger percentage of the intended audience will really care about.

I agree that there is no email client but, I do most of email web based on my Zaurus and alot of the my non-techie friends do the same. As long as the version of Safari can handle gmail and other web-based mail clients (the MacOS X one works just fine for this for me) then you would be covered off here too.
gr8ful
You all make good points that this device is lacking a few things many of us are accustomed to having and may not be a device you could switch to......today. I believe what Apple has done in the iPhone and now the iPod Touch is created a new platform that will be the basis for future innovation.

Many of the things desired are software related --- easy fix. There are a few hardware desires that would be nice (external expansion slot, usb, speakers/mic) that are not expensive items to add if they choose to.

Is it the perfect Z replace now? No. But the upside potential of this device is amazing and I hope they sell a ton of them so Apple will continue to improve it, because I see one in my pocket in the not so distant future.
HoloVector
QUOTE(gr8ful @ Sep 6 2007, 08:26 AM)
You all make good points that this device is lacking a few things many of us are accustomed to having and may not be a device you could switch to......today.  I believe what Apple has done in the iPhone and now the iPod Touch is created a new platform that will be the basis for future innovation.

Many of the things desired are software related --- easy fix.  There are a few hardware desires that would be nice (external expansion slot, usb, speakers/mic) that are not expensive items to add if they choose to.

Is it the perfect Z replace now?  No.  But the upside potential of this device is amazing and I hope they sell a ton of them so Apple will continue to improve it, because I see one in my pocket in the not so distant future.
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Nicely put! smile.gif
zmiq2
Latest news:

it seems to run the same apps as the iphone, have macosx inside, and probably bluetooth too !!!!

Uhm... who'll be the first to port linux/hack into this marvel?

Binaries info
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/ipod-t...hone-296837.php

Bluetooth info
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/ipod-touc...port-296938.php
undrwater
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo? These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for. Am I missing something?
Capn_Fish
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 12:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
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I for one am much more exited about the Neo than the iPod, I'm just not vocal about it.
gr8ful
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 12:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
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I am one who is also interested in the Neo, but let's be honest, it is a good bit away from being a finished end-user product. It is a developers dream platform (all open-source); unfortunately, I'm not much of a developer so I need a more stable and mature platform.

Now that you've mentioned the Neo, I will say this. I think it has even more upside potential than the iPhone or the iPod Touch because it is truly a phone of the people, for the people, and by the people. Unfortunately, that is also the major negative, will the open-source community produce quality apps for the device(s) and will people buy it in high enough quantities to justify continuing putting money into the effort?

It's a lot like the current state of operating systems (MS, Mac OSX, and Linux). MS is everywhere and very usable, just not very fun. OSX is sweet and clearly the best of the bunch as far as fit and finish, but it's development is tied to what Apple wants to put in and when. Linux has the "potential" to be FAR better than either one but it is dependent on the community, which again means that the people can have an OS that is more responsive to their needs, 'if' someone gets around to coding it and polishing it up.

That's my nickel's worth, feel free to make change.
tg
Here is one take on iPhone, iPod touch, etc that I think most of us on this forum fully support.

http://mac360.com/index.php/mac360/comment...mac_in_my_hand/
snk4ever
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Sep 6 2007, 10:27 AM)
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 12:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
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I for one am much more exited about the Neo than the iPod, I'm just not vocal about it.
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I feel the same. I follow the project closely, I'm just waiting for it to prove to me that this is the PDA/phone that I'll buy and keep for years !
zmiq2
Is the iPod touch an N800 killer?

Is the iPod touch the hardware for ubuntu mobile, to be released in October? Does anyone have any info on this?
ofels
QUOTE(gr8ful @ Sep 6 2007, 04:26 PM)
Is it the perfect Z replace now?  No.  But the upside potential of this device is amazing and I hope they sell a ton of them so Apple will continue to improve it, because I see one in my pocket in the not so distant future.
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I just recalled the old Apple sogan: "Think different".
Then I recalled the difference: Jobs != Newton which leads to the equation Apple != PDA.

In other words: What Apple did to the Newton makes me feel that there is no space at Apple for such a PDA device. Toys are us.

Oliver
adf
QUOTE(ofels @ Sep 8 2007, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(gr8ful @ Sep 6 2007, 04:26 PM)
Is it the perfect Z replace now?  No.  But the upside potential of this device is amazing and I hope they sell a ton of them so Apple will continue to improve it, because I see one in my pocket in the not so distant future.
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I just recalled the old Apple slogan: "Think different".
Then I recalled the difference: Jobs != Newton which leads to the equation Apple != PDA.

In other words: What Apple did to the Newton makes me feel that there is no space at Apple for such a PDA device. Toys are us.

Oliver
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yeah.. i've long had the feeling that Apple is far more dictatorial than MS, and simply comes off better for lacking th power to be worse-not that they don't make some nice stuff, but just because osx has a bsd under the hood doesn't, at all, make them friends of OSS, open hardware, or any other kind of freedom. Think about it--if the iphone were (Idon't know what it actually runs) a locked-down unix device from Microsoft with a serious "don't tamper" EULA and and exclusive agreement with AT&T we'd all be screaming bloody murder about what a Nazi Gates is and what an evil device it is.
I don't know where Apple gets it magic fountain of goodwill--I think it is from non-technical, but influential arts and education folks who just think it is neat how the handful of apps they actually run work without thinking about it. (something to be said for a device that makes few demands on the end user, though). we should, really, as much as possible, stick to supporting vendors who support open projects.
dhns
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 06:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
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Well, I proposed to create an Neo/OpenMoko subforum here (http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24426&hl=openmoko) but nobody was really interested in. Instead everybody was directed to the OpenMoko mailing lists...

-- hns
undrwater
QUOTE(dhns @ Sep 8 2007, 11:37 AM)
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 06:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
*

Well, I proposed to create an Neo/OpenMoko subforum here (http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24426&hl=openmoko) but nobody was really interested in. Instead everybody was directed to the OpenMoko mailing lists...

-- hns
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I think when the consumer product is released, it will be more appropriate to have a subforum here. We have several developers (respect to you all!), but many more end-users. I'm saving my pennies for the release of the consumer model.
adf
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 8 2007, 02:32 PM)
QUOTE(dhns @ Sep 8 2007, 11:37 AM)
QUOTE(undrwater @ Sep 6 2007, 06:41 PM)
Why is there such a lack of excitement here about the Neo?  These phones are already being sold to developers, and the consumer model is scheduled to be released in Oct.

It has almost everything folks here are asking for.  Am I missing something?
*

Well, I proposed to create an Neo/OpenMoko subforum here (http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24426&hl=openmoko) but nobody was really interested in. Instead everybody was directed to the OpenMoko mailing lists...

-- hns
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I think when the consumer product is released, it will be more appropriate to have a subforum here. We have several developers (respect to you all!), but many more end-users. I'm saving my pennies for the release of the consumer model.
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me too
desertrat
QUOTE(adf @ Sep 8 2007, 07:14 PM)
but just because osx has a bsd under the hood doesn't, at all, make them friends of OSS, open hardware, or any other kind of freedom.
Apple chose BSD precisely because it used a BSD license, which IMO is a selfish license tongue.gif
T3_slider
Still think the iPod Touch is a PDA? If Engadget is correct (according to here: http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/apple-c...d-appointments/ ) you can't even add calendar entries without being at a computer. Basically the iPod Touch sounds like a memory-starved iPod with a web browser.

But hopefully I'm wrong.
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