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Richard
QUOTE(Jon_J @ Oct 22 2007, 10:58 AM) *
Meanie, is there a way I can add packages to the "Ignored" list when upgrading "pdaxiiv2-upgrade_5.5.0-alpha4_armv5tel.ipk" ?
I usually remove applications that I don't use after the upgrade process, and after this latest upgrade, I only had 17 MB left on root.
I'm afraid in future upgrades, I'll run out of root space when new packages are introduced in the upgrade.
Some of the packages I usually uninstall are 2-3 MB or larger.
If I really want to keep a large package, I'll re-install it to the hard drive.

Thank you,
Jon

I previously tried to upgrade from 5.4.9 to 5.5.0 alpha1 using the ipk while connected to the internet on my C3100 running Sally (with packages installed in NAND and on my SD card). I only had 11 MB free in NAND, and after 20 minutes or so I got a group of errors because I ran out of room on my root partition. The install failed, and I had to do a fresh install.

I'm back to 5.4.9 with packages installed on NAND and on /mnt/ide. I have about 30 MB free in NAND. How much room do we need to upgrade to 5.5.0? I saw Meanie's response about this, but does anyone else know if the upgrade feature of ipkg will install the upgraded package to the same location as the original? (I kind of doubt it.) Also, is the "ignore" list part of the upgrade of ipkg? I haven't seen anything about this until the last few posts.

Thanks!
Jon_J
Richard,
If you have packages installed to another location, (I use my hard drive. /mnt/ide/) the upgrade process will upgrade that package in its original location.
If you uninstall a package from root (NAND) and don't re-install it somewhere else, the upgrade will install this package back to root.
The packages that I install to my hard drive are not re-installed by the upgrade, (unless they need an upgrade)
I hope you understand what I'm saying. If you just remove a package, the next time you upgrade using the upgrade IPK, it will install that package again if it doesn't find it on your Zaurus.

EDIT:
These are some of the packages that I removed from root, and manually re-installed to /mnt/ide/
These are packages of 1-3 MB or larger
Links
sylpheed
gthumb
abiword
pidgion
There are some others that I don't use at all, but they are small. So I just remove them anyway.
I always have had firefox and epiphany installed to the hard drive, since they are large packages.

The ignore list is in "pdaxiiv2-upgrade_5.5.0-alpha4_armv5tel.ipk". If you use a windows machine, you can open this file in winrar and extract "ignore", then view it in a text app.
Richard
Thanks, Jon. Made perfect sense, and that's what I was hoping to find out. I have packages on the harddrive, and didn't want the upgrade process to try and stick those in the root area.

Does anyone know if the upgrade can work with 30 MB free in NAND? My only real concern is in downloading the upgrade packages - they may fill my available space and cause a problem with the upgrade.
Jon_J
I have upgraded my pdaxii13v2 with only 28 MB left in root. (NAND area)
I originally upgraded from pdaxii13-5.4.9 akita. (The sally version on NAND)
I have gone through all 4 versions of the upgrade (alpha1 -> alpha4 (present))
One time, when it finished downloading and installing newer packages, I only had 17MB left on root.
I had no problems un-installing larger packages, then manually re-installing them to my hard drive.
One other thing I always do is run ipkg update. This updates the "available" packages list.

I don't use ipkg upgrade.
I think Meanie said not to use this, and you will get a warning when doing this, that this is not supported in pdaxii13
Meanie
QUOTE(Jon_J @ Oct 23 2007, 09:04 AM) *
I have upgraded my pdaxii13v2 with only 28 MB left in root. (NAND area)
I originally upgraded from pdaxii13-5.4.9 akita. (The sally version on NAND)
I have gone through all 4 versions of the upgrade (alpha1 -> alpha4 (present))
One time, when it finished downloading and installing newer packages, I only had 17MB left on root.
I had no problems un-installing larger packages, then manually re-installing them to my hard drive.
One other thing I always do is run ipkg update. This updates the "available" packages list.

I don't use ipkg upgrade.
I think Meanie said not to use this, and you will get a warning when doing this, that this is not supported in pdaxii13


actually, what the pdaxiiv2-upgrade package does is update the ignored file and run postinst script which runs ipkg upgrade on a list of predefined packages.
once you installed any version of pdaxiiv2-upgrade, you could in theory just run ipkg update; ipkg upgrade after you update ignored list.
adf
All worked well (4.9 full, fresh to 5.5) with the alpha1, install, alpha4 unintended sequence. The thing is, though, I install just about everything I suspect I might want (mostly to /media/fakeroot), and still have about 52 megs left on Nand ( I uses a 121M /). Is this to do with using the full version rather than base+ipk, maybe?

Anyway, I thought I'd mentioned that after some failed tests of titchy, and a strong suspicion that angstrom (and possibly even pdaX current) might not work using my A-Data CF, I seriously considered putting in a 6-gig Microdrive that i have on hand, just for compatibility. WHile thinking about it, I reviewed what I actually use my Z for (multimedia, a game or two, email and web browsing--planning to get more pimly with it though), and realized that regardless of what I had in my internal slot, I'd end up using pdaxii (though I'd love to see webkit or Firefox2 on there someday) due to the hardware support, sound and multimedia speed. On realizing that if I did the surgery, I'd end up flashing back to pdaxii in a few days, at most, I left the 16G on board.
Richard
I actually only had 20 MB free on my NAND partition last night when I tried to upgrade from 5.4.9 to 5.5 alpha 4. It sailed along and upgraded a couple packages installed in /mnt/ide, and installed a few in NAND. Pretty soon, my root partition was full and I had 0 space available. The upgrade failed and I flashed back to 5.4.9. I will look tonight to see what packages I can move out of NAND to get atleast 30-40 MB free.

I guess the alternative is to look at the postinst script and mod it to install to /mnt/ide by default...
Meanie
pdaXii13v2 is still early in alpha and has only been tested in its pdaXii13v2 full edition. there is no pdaXii13v2 base

Meanie
ok, alpha5 is out
nothing much changed except I enhanced the postinst script to try to guess whether you have base or full installed. at the moment, if you have rox and scim installed, it will assume you have pdaxii13 full and does the full upgrade and add some extra packages as well. if it does not find rox and scim, it will assume you have pdaXii13 base installed and only upgrade installed packages without adding extra packages.

in theory if, you have the pdaxiiv2-upgrade package installed already, you don't need to reinstall it unless you really want to. what this package is as follows:

replace /usr/bin/ipkg with a newer version (has not changed since alpha2 and not likely to change anymore)
replace /etc/ipkg.conf with updated feeds (this one is also unlikely to change and you might want to add your own custom feeds anyway)
replace /etc/issue (this one contains the version number of pdaXiiv2 and would be 5.5.0-alphaX)
add/replace /usr/lib/ipkg/ignored (this is where you put the names of packages you don't want upgraded)

the postinst script will then use ipkg upgrade and/or add packages that are listed in postinst script

as an alternate, you could simply update the above files like ipkg.conf and ignored before running ipkg update; ipkg upgrade

in effect, it will grab the latest packages from the pdaxiiv2 feed and upgrade your current packages with the newer ones from the feed (if it is newer)
Richard
After my last attempt with pdaxiiv2, I reflashed back to version 5.4.9 (Sally) on my CL3100 and worked with that distro for a while. This morning, I was itching to try 5.5.0 again, so I downloaded the latest alpha5 updater.

It ran perfectly and installed the base system - only consuming an extra 10 MB of space on my NAND partition.

I rebooted and openbox came back up, but I had no icons. They were there, but all white with red 'x's in them. I remembered others had problems with icons, so I can back here to read. I tried everything mentioned here - from manually installing packages from the different feeds to running commands in the terminal to get libpng to work right.

I was just about ready to go back to 5.4.9 and I read that gtk2 had issues for someone. So, I exited to the shell and removed gtk2, then reinstalled it. It installed, but complained about a folder missing (with gtk in the title) and a missing library, libscim.so. So, I uninstalled gtk2 again, installed gtk and scim, then reinstalled gtk2. This time, no complaints.

I just finished rebooting v2 again, and openbox came up with icons intact! It's working perfectly now. I was surprised that upgrades weren't applied to these packages even though I ran "ipkg upgrade". Maybe I was missing them all along...

Anyway, the new alpha5 installed perfectly and correctly guessed that I wanted the base install! Great job Meanie!
ZDevil
Would Meanie consider changing the versioning? pdaXii13v2 build 5.5 alpha 5.... isn't this a little bit bizarre? laugh.gif
Meanie
QUOTE(ZDevil @ Dec 2 2007, 09:01 PM) *
Would Meanie consider changing the versioning? pdaXii13v2 build 5.5 alpha 5.... isn't this a little bit bizarre? laugh.gif


let me explain the versioning here to stop the confusion.

pdaXii13 is the pdaXrom beta1/beta3 compatible edition
pdaXiiv2 (or pdaXii13v2) is the next generation that is compatible with pdaXrom Latest packages, ie r197/r198. it is still backwards compatible with beta1/beta3 packages


the build number of pdaXii has always increased after each release. build 5.4.9 is the last of the pdaXii13(v1), after build 5.5.0, its pdaXii13v2 or pdaXiiv2
the v2 is to signify that the compatability against pdaXrom has changed. so the name would just be pdaXiiv2. build 5.5(.0) is probably the last pdaXii image since updates to the image are going to be via the upgrade feed. once you have gone to pdaXiiv2, updates are all done via the feed, ie by updating the packages rather than running a script to patch the system like in pdaXii13(v1)

the alpha5 only comes into play because that's the version number for the pdaXiiv2 updater. remember that the pdaXii13 flash installer (updater.sh) also has a build number but you don't quote that number when you say what version of pdaXii you have. similarly, the alpha5 or whichever number that follows is the build number for the pdaXiiv2 updater/upgrader.

hope this makes sense.

pdaXiiv2 is updated by running:

ipkg update
ipkg upgrade

the ipkg warning will be removed once the pdaXiiv2 updater is not alpha anymore.
Richard
Meanie, after my upgrade to 5.5, my card monitor no longer shows a link for USB devices, and it doesn't popup a message box when the card is safe to remove. Not a big deal, but I kind of liked that feature. According to my package manager, I have version 1.0.4-6.

Any ideas?
wowo123
I'm running pdaXii13 an a c3200 (thx a lot for the great work!) Unfortunalety I realized too late that the fixing 64 MB NAND limit funktion had failed, so I only have 64 MB (real)root and 64 MB /user. After completing my installation of pdaXii13v1 there is no space left on (real)root, but the system is running smoothely without errors and I can install new programs in /. When I tried to do the upgrade to v2alpha5, after a short time there was an error: no space left on device and the upgrade failed. I read the discussion about free space of 30 - 40 MB in /, so I'm afraid I have to do the NAND-partitioning to 121MB and then do a completely new install. sad.gif Or is there any other way to solve the problem?
deniscallies
I still have problems with png files. I set the filter in gqview an still there are no symbols showing on desktop. Starting thunar ends with a "cannot open png file" whats the problem?

Denis
wowo123
After upgrading openbox in pdaxii13 v2 to 3.4.4-2 the header lines with the titles of the displayed windows are extremely small and so is the title text font and the action icons. This isn't related to the choosen theme or to .../themes/<choosen theme>/gtk/gtkrc. I tried to edit /usr/share/themes/<choosen theme>/openbox-3/themerc but with no success. The old openbox version didn't show this issue. Any hints?
Jon_J
QUOTE(deniscallies @ Dec 6 2007, 03:43 AM) *
I still have problems with png files. I set the filter in gqview an still there are no symbols showing on desktop. Starting thunar ends with a "cannot open png file" whats the problem?

Denis

Meanie recommended to install libpng_1.2.12
post #35 in this thread.
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&...st&p=168563

Do you have the following in /usr/lib/
libpng12.so
libpng12.so.0
libpng12.so.0.12.0
libpng.so
libpng.so.3
libpng.so.3.12.0
deniscallies
i have reinstalled and upgraded. Now everything went fine. I am a little confused. I did now the same as before unsure.gif
thanks, Denis
macwiz
Hi. Will the upgrade work on my c860 which I now have running latest pdaxii13?

Also, where are the feeds for this now, tyrannozaurus is offline.

Thanks

John
Jon_J
QUOTE(macwiz @ Jan 18 2008, 12:11 PM) *
Hi. Will the upgrade work on my c860 which I now have running latest pdaxii13?

Also, where are the feeds for this now, tyrannozaurus is offline.

Thanks

John
I think most of the feeds are back up. Antikx has them listed here:
http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/start
macwiz
So er will it run on a c860?
macwiz
QUOTE(macwiz @ Jan 28 2008, 08:50 PM) *
So er will it run on a c860?

Guess that's a 'no' or a 'no one's tried it'? Huh?
adf
QUOTE(macwiz @ Feb 7 2008, 04:35 PM) *
QUOTE(macwiz @ Jan 28 2008, 08:50 PM) *
So er will it run on a c860?

Guess that's a 'no' or a 'no one's tried it'? Huh?

speaking of pdaXii13v2 (which I use as per sig) has meanie vanished?? I've seen no posts from him since december
hellgeist
QUOTE(Jon_J @ Oct 5 2007, 11:44 AM) *
I browsed kkazakov13's feed to see if I had any files that needed updated, that weren't caught in the upgrade process and found these 4 files needed updating.
I checked with the latest "ignored" list and none of these were on it, so I updated these 4 libraries:
glib2_2.14.0_armv5tel.ipk
libgphoto2_2.4.0_armv5tel.ipk
pango_1.18.1_armv5tel.ipk
poppler_0.5.4-1_armv5tel.ipk

When I rebooted, my fonts on the desktop and in GQview are all square boxes.
All the filenames in rox filer are square boxes also.
I'm not sure which one is causing this, but I'll go through them one-by-one and install the previous version.
I'll report back after I uninstall/reinstall prior versions and find the "culprit" that is causing these square boxes to replace my fonts.
EDIT
I found it was pango that was causing my problems, I uninstalled the newer version above and re-installed pango_1.10.0_armv5tel.ipk
smile.gif
I still have the *.png problem with icons, etc..


I couldn't leave well enough alone, and decided to try another upgrade to v2 on my Akita. Historically, I've gotten this same result (missing icons) so I had just stuck with beta3. But after reading your other post about solving the missing icons problem, I thought your fix might be good for Akitas, so I tried it. Unfortunately, in GQview my .png box was already checked, so that didn't change anything. Restarting left me even worse off - a blank screen and a bar, with no icons anywhere. I can add the launcher back, but apps don't open (visibly anyway).

Could be that your solution worked in a prior build of v2 but not the current one? Here's what I did:
  • Starting with pdaxii13, I did the 5.5 upgrade according to Meanie's instructions
  • I reverted to the older version of Pango as per your other post, and installed libpng_1.2.12_armv5tel.ipk. After this I couldn't see applications that opened on the desktop (even rxvt showed up mostly greyed out).
  • I removed Rox and could see wallpaper and icons again, but had to re-add icons to the control bar.
  • After this most apps weren't visible once they opened. Some were, but it was random - for instance, Abiword and Leafpad wouldn't open, but Xpdf would.
  • I added the 4 libraries listed above, and most of my icons reappeared, however there are still some apps that are missing icons - the CF/SD card utility for example, and a notepad app.

I can't find anymore leads as to what it would take to finish fixing this 5.5 upgrade, so I'm probably going to revert to beta3. Hopefully the Akita info in this post might be helpful down the road as bug testing data.
yatza
QUOTE(hellgeist @ Mar 7 2008, 11:56 PM) *
Unfortunately, in GQview my .png box was already checked, so that didn't change anything.


Hi,
for PNG troubles, try this:
- uninstall whatever libpng version you have installed
- install libpng with the highest version number (currently 2.1.12)
- execute gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders

The last line is the trick, it fixed png on my Akita. Original post by walkman can be found here:
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showto...st&p=171826

Regards,
yatza
ArchiMark
QUOTE(adf @ Feb 8 2008, 01:13 AM) *
speaking of pdaXii13v2 (which I use as per sig) has meanie vanished?? I've seen no posts from him since december


Unfortunately, sure seems like it....

sad.gif

Jon_J
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Mar 29 2008, 05:13 PM) *
QUOTE(adf @ Feb 8 2008, 01:13 AM) *
speaking of pdaXii13v2 (which I use as per sig) has meanie vanished?? I've seen no posts from him since december


Unfortunately, sure seems like it....

sad.gif

Has anyone heard from Meanie? His website still works fine, so he must be around somewhere...
Seems he just vanished once he got married.
QUOTE(macwiz @ Jan 18 2008, 01:11 PM) *
Hi. Will the upgrade work on my c860 which I now have running latest pdaxii13?

Also, where are the feeds for this now, tyrannozaurus is offline.

Thanks

John

There is a thread detailing about installing pdaxii13 on 860. I'll look for it and post a link here.
I found it here, but you (macwiz), have already posted in that thread.
I really thought pdaxii13 was "working" on the 860.
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showto...3350&hl=860
macwiz
Yes, it is. but I am enquiring whether the latest version can be installed.
Raul
[SL-C3200, full hd install, Akita 5.4.9] Every time i'm trying to update to v2 after restart I get some modules dependiences broken, X is loading without icons, most of the appliations don't work. I would like to use some of the new software but i cannot get it to work.
I've even cloned kazakov's feed but that didn't helped much.

Help?
Jon_J
QUOTE(Raul @ Apr 27 2008, 03:50 AM) *
[SL-C3200, full hd install, Akita 5.4.9] Every time i'm trying to update to v2 after restart I get some modules dependiences broken, X is loading without icons, most of the appliations don't work. I would like to use some of the new software but i cannot get it to work.
I've even cloned kazakov's feed but that didn't helped much.

Help?

I think the problem may be meanie's v2 feed. It gives me "Page not found" when I try to browse it with a browser.
here is the url, Ask antikx if he would enable it again.
http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/feed/beta3/pdaxiiv2/ (it is the first one listed in the package manager).
Raul
Is there a copy of this feed?
adf
QUOTE(Raul @ Apr 28 2008, 06:13 AM) *
Is there a copy of this feed?

list of feeds is here http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/start
Raul
But this feed http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/feed/beta3/pdaxiiv2/ isn't listed there.
Raul
Really, no one has a copy of pdaxiiv2 feed?
adf
QUOTE(Raul @ May 2 2008, 01:48 AM) *
Really, no one has a copy of pdaxiiv2 feed?

I might - I'll check this weekend
Jon_J
I wish I would have made a complete download of this feed, like I did with several of the original pdaxrom feeds, which have a tarball of the feed already archived for convenient download.
This particular feed was/is? experimental and was/is? ongoing, and I didn't expect it to disappear so soon.
There WAS mention of a version of pdaxii13v2 that would be out of the "alpha" stage.
I didn't expect Meanie to disappear so suddenly with no advance notice...
Raul
If someone has a copy I will make a feed and will write here the exact location.
adf
QUOTE(Raul @ May 3 2008, 12:51 AM) *
If someone has a copy I will make a feed and will write here the exact location.

looks like i don't, but shouldn't the 'full' version be compatible with beta4 feeds?
Has anyone emailed meanie, or Antiks?
HoloVector
QUOTE(adf @ May 5 2008, 06:38 PM) *
QUOTE(Raul @ May 3 2008, 12:51 AM) *
If someone has a copy I will make a feed and will write here the exact location.

looks like i don't, but shouldn't the 'full' version be compatible with beta4 feeds?
Has anyone emailed meanie, or Antiks?

I have emailed Antikx but, he hasn't replied yet. I have a bad feeling that things aren't going so well for him and his family. sad.gif
Raul
I've send him pm but he didn't reply. I hope everything is ok with him and his family.
espi
I hope that everyone is doing well as well. I'm just getting started with PDAXII and find Meanie's work incredible.
Jon_J
Roberto at tyrannozaurus has found the correct URL for the v2 feed
Need to add "/index.html" to previously posted URL
Thanks Roberto smile.gif
http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/feed/beta3/pdaxiiv2/index.html

EDIT:
The package manager in pdaxii13v2 has the old URL in it's settings. I updated mine to the new URL

NOTE: you must edit /etc/ipkg.conf to preserve this URL at the top of the list.
Editing the GUI list in package manager only adds this new URL to the bottom of the list.
HoloVector
Thanks Roberto and Jon_J! It appears that I still have some (front end) admin rights on tyrannozaurus so I edited the Start Here page and added this and Meanie's unstable e17 feed to the pdaXrom feed lists. If you know of any more feeds that are in the same state as these let me know and I will add them to the Start Here page. Thanks again.
robyinno
QUOTE(HoloVector @ May 28 2008, 09:18 PM) *
Thanks Roberto and Jon_J! It appears that I still have some (front end) admin rights on tyrannozaurus so I edited the Start Here page and added this and Meanie's unstable e17 feed to the pdaXrom feed lists. If you know of any more feeds that are in the same state as these let me know and I will add them to the Start Here page. Thanks again.


Thanks HoloVector for update tyrannozaurus!

Roberto
Raul
This time upgrade was fine and I'm playing with it right now.
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