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xjqian
Get it here: Get Angstrom Unstable Release for tosa The latest tested release is r8 (kernel 2.6.23).

Working out-of-box

altboot with loopback image or direct fs
Kernel 2.6.23 (testing 2.6.24 for >= r9) Tosa kernel status from Dmitry
Images: Opie 1.2.3 (core opie application feed, other opie or qt applications not in the feed yet) and GPE 2.8 (x11-image) with match-box as default WM
Keyboard (keymap changed in 2.6.24)
Internal Wifi (wlan-ng-modules-usb 2.8) 802.11b WEP only, no WPA
SD: non-sdhc or sdhc (tested with 4GB card of both)
CF and 2nd CF on sled

OE Tosa Meta-Bug

Outstanding critical bugs:

1. suspend/resume OE bug 2134
[Closed] 2. sound system OE bug 3518 Speaker/Headphone tested working. Mic/phone untested

Major bugs:

[Hacked kdrive in x11-image to overcome the problem, still an issue in opie-image] 1. frame buffer (a.k.a, screen corruption or the famous yellow vertical lines) : occurs "occasionally" with 2.6.23 kernel, much better than "often" with 2.6.17 kernel OE bug 490

Opie bugs: file Opie bug tracker

GPE bugs: file GPE bug tracker

Kernel, roofs or packaging bugs: file OE bug tracker


Not tested yet:
?USB host
?Speaker/Headphone/Headset/Mic (need to fix the alsa state in r9)
USB client
USB network
Mic (the one on the back of the device) / PhoneMic (2.5mm jack used with a headset)
etc.
speculatrix
thanks for that update!

p.s. what's the max SD/MMC memory card size it will support? 1GB? 2GB? 4GB non-sdhc? SDHC?
RX Shorty
Ok that sounds good.

Wifi also works out of the box?

smile.gif
Hrw
internal wifi out of box

sdhc should be working
speculatrix
QUOTE(Hrw @ Nov 16 2007, 02:29 PM) *
internal wifi out of box

sdhc should be working



I don't suppose anyone's cracked the problem of getting WPA to work? Last I knew, only the wlan-ng driver worked and it didn't support anything other than WEP!
Hrw
speculatrix: and this will rather never happen.

Wlan-ng driver is written in so ugly style that it will never get into mainline kernel, prism2 on usb is something which is not available on market and probably most of it's users moved to other solutions when wanted WPA (as bonus they got 802.11g chipsets).
speculatrix
QUOTE(Hrw @ Nov 20 2007, 02:03 PM) *
speculatrix: and this will rather never happen.

Wlan-ng driver is written in so ugly style that it will never get into mainline kernel, prism2 on usb is something which is not available on market and probably most of it's users moved to other solutions when wanted WPA (as bonus they got 802.11g chipsets).


sadly, I came to accept long ago that tosa's wifi was never going to support any decent cryptographic standard, but I hoped that just possibly there'd be a glimmer of hope.

still there's always openvpn, which probably a better solution than rather crap idea of WPA-TKIP anyway!

enlightened_j
For past 2,3 years I have been using PDAXRom 1.1 Beta2 on my lovely Tosa. It does everything I need it to do: play mp3 and avi, light browsing, abiword, dictionary, and viewing pdf.

I was so afraid to broke my perfectly tweaked ROM and I stopped doing any update at all. After all those time, I finally decided to move on and started experimenting again.

I guess I will give Angsrom a try and see what happens!!
speculatrix
QUOTE(enlightened_j @ Nov 27 2007, 07:52 PM) *
For past 2,3 years I have been using PDAXRom 1.1 Beta2 on my lovely Tosa. It does everything I need it to do: play mp3 and avi, light browsing,
...
I guess I will give Angsrom a try and see what happens!!


if you take a NAND backup, you can go back to pdaXrom without any hassle.
enlightened_j
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 27 2007, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE(enlightened_j @ Nov 27 2007, 07:52 PM) *
For past 2,3 years I have been using PDAXRom 1.1 Beta2 on my lovely Tosa. It does everything I need it to do: play mp3 and avi, light browsing,
...
I guess I will give Angsrom a try and see what happens!!


if you take a NAND backup, you can go back to pdaXrom without any hassle.



Thanks. That's gonna be the project for this weekend. Hopefully most of things will work out of box.
xjqian
[ANNC] Tosa Angstrom RC1.x
xjqian
r8 release from the Angstrom stable branch has been released. No critical change from r2. The next big thing is to bump kernel to 2.6.24. That should solve or remedy a bunch of kernel related problems.
status updated.
speculatrix
QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 10 2008, 09:24 AM) *
r8 release from the Angstrom stable branch has been released. No critical change from r2. The next big thing is to bump kernel to 2.6.24. That should solve or remedy a bunch of kernel related problems.
status updated.


thanks, I will dig out my Tosa and see how far I get . When Angstrom is good enough and I can use my Tosa more, I will get a new battery. I'd like to use it as an in-car media player (with a wireless hard drive) and to run tomtom,!
xjqian
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Mar 10 2008, 08:03 AM) *
thanks, I will dig out my Tosa and see how far I get . When Angstrom is good enough and I can use my Tosa more, I will get a new battery. I'd like to use it as an in-car media player (with a wireless hard drive) and to run tomtom,!


Please skip r8 and test r9 with 2.6.24 kernel.
adf
QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 11 2008, 08:56 PM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Mar 10 2008, 08:03 AM) *
thanks, I will dig out my Tosa and see how far I get . When Angstrom is good enough and I can use my Tosa more, I will get a new battery. I'd like to use it as an in-car media player (with a wireless hard drive) and to run tomtom,!


Please skip r8 and test r9 with 2.6.24 kernel.

is there a decent browser working in Angstrom on 6k?
xjqian
QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 12 2008, 12:56 AM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Mar 10 2008, 08:03 AM) *
thanks, I will dig out my Tosa and see how far I get . When Angstrom is good enough and I can use my Tosa more, I will get a new battery. I'd like to use it as an in-car media player (with a wireless hard drive) and to run tomtom,!


Please skip r8 and test r9 with 2.6.24 kernel.


sorry r9 with 2.6.24 kernel is not bootable right now. please test r8 instead.
xjqian
QUOTE(adf @ Mar 12 2008, 01:07 AM) *
is there a decent browser working in Angstrom on 6k?


in opie, bluelightening is working with konqueror-embedded upstream to get qt2 patches upstream.
in x11, there are couple of options: links-x11, netsurf, minimo, gpe-mini-browser and openmoko-browser2

I've used minimo which works very well on tosa (except the FN key is borken), I've heard netfurf is also a good alternative. personally, I don't like gpe-mini-browser. no experience with openmoko-browser (there is demo on youtube though.
AeroSigma
I tried the r17, and got an error right at start-up. The backlight went off, and I got a line of text <something I can't remember> then ->no info.

have any info? Is this the same problem that r9 had with the 2.6.24 kernel?

-AeroSigma
xjqian
QUOTE(AeroSigma @ Jun 17 2008, 06:01 PM) *
I tried the r17, and got an error right at start-up. The backlight went off, and I got a line of text <something I can't remember> then ->no info.

have any info? Is this the same problem that r9 had with the 2.6.24 kernel?

-AeroSigma


Yeah. Still the same problem with r9. The one built from dev branch boots fine fore. I'm trying to figure out what's the difference.
AeroSigma
I can't seem to get insternal WiFi to work (out of the box,) I select the "Wifi device" in the wlan0 tab under network settings, but next time I open network settings, it has unchecked itself. I also don't seem to have the tools like ifconfig ifup etc. to work with. What image are you using? I'm using the x11-image which gives me GPE.

Edit: Well I've installed the console edition and I have the networking tools. Could they have gotten overlooked in the x11-istall package? Also, do you know what are the "relevant packages" to install GPE and x11 from the base console flash?

-AeroSigma
xjqian
QUOTE(AeroSigma @ Jun 18 2008, 01:58 PM) *
I can't seem to get insternal WiFi to work (out of the box,) I select the "Wifi device" in the wlan0 tab under network settings, but next time I open network settings, it has unchecked itself. I also don't seem to have the tools like ifconfig ifup etc. to work with. What image are you using? I'm using the x11-image which gives me GPE.

Edit: Well I've installed the console edition and I have the networking tools. Could they have gotten overlooked in the x11-istall package? Also, do you know what are the "relevant packages" to install GPE and x11 from the base console flash?

-AeroSigma


The wlan0 network setting gui is known broken. Try to manually edit /etc/wlan instead. There is a nice tutorial in the openzaurus wiki which works the same for Angstrom.

The /sbin directory is not in the normal users' path.
CODE
su -
to get root access (just enter for password) for ifconfig, ifup etc.
AeroSigma
I felt like a fish out of water without my internet config tools. I tried root
CODE
su
but not
CODE
su -
but with the latter, I get more in my PATH. what does the
CODE
-
do?

I've got usb ethernet and wireless working now.

Thanks

-AeroSigma
xjqian
QUOTE(AeroSigma @ Jun 18 2008, 06:29 PM) *
but with the latter, I get more in my PATH. what does the
CODE
-
do?


I think it's a convention (busybox?). su is what debian/ubuntu uses for root including all PATH, while su is what Fedora uses for limited root, you need su - in Fedora for root with /sbin. I have no insight or historical knowledge about why it is so, although Angstrom is closer to debian than Fedora in lineage.
speculatrix
su makes you become root but keeps most of your existing environment, "su -" replaces your environment so is equivalent to logging in afresh as the new user.

you can also do "su fred" and "su - fred"

and you can run a command with su too

of course all this depends on what's been built into busybox.
AeroSigma
I've searched around for a way to sync my Angstrom w/GPE (installed gpe-todo, gpe-calendar etc. as well) with Outlook in windows(no choice, it's used at my company) and I can't seem to be able to get it to work. This is really the only holding point for me to switch to Angstrom. Am I overlooking something? Is there a way to sync my Tosa loaded with Angstrom w/GPE to Outlook in Windows?

-AeroSigma

PS-it dosen't have to be easy to set up, I can handle the terminal and vi etc. It just has to work once it's been set up.
undrwater
AeroSigma,

Which install of Angstrom are you using? I've tried a few and get the blank screen as well (has a bug for the latest version been filed?).

In terms of syncing, there was some activity when OpenZaurus was active...had something to do with passwordless ssh and some file conversions on the fly IIRC. I may be confusing that with sync w/ Evolution.
AeroSigma
Use r8 (release 8) to get by the blank screen problem. All of the newer releases have the 2.6.24 kernel, which won't boot on the tosa yet. You can find r8 here. You can find the rest of the Tosa imagese here.

xjgian mentioned that he got the current release (17?) booting on the Tosa when he self-complied from the dev build, so I'm trying that out. I'll let you know how it goes.
AeroSigma
QUOTE(AeroSigma)
xjgian mentioned that he got the current release (17?) booting on the Tosa when he self-complied from the dev build, so I'm trying that out. I'll let you know how it goes.


SO how does it go you ask? Not well. I compiled r18 from the Dev build (took an entire day running on Ubuntu through VMWare) but when I flashed my Tosa, I still get the "tmio-fb: null info->mode" at the top of the screen instead of booting up, which I beileve is the 2.6.24 kernel problem.

xjgian, did you get a bootable build with the 2.6.24 kernel? Could you send my your local.conf or your x11 image?

-AeroSIgma
undrwater
Let me also ask you; have you gotten around the suspend bug? I don't believe that's been fixed in any of the releases.

I keep forgetting about this...and it's a show stopper for me.
LeTic
Sorry to post on a dead post but I just wanted to let you know that after lots of debugging from Dmitry he finally manage to solve the 2.6.24 bug on the tosa kernel.

It is available here : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/uploads/tosa-stable-images/debug/

So now Angström is booting back with the r19 image. But with that image the backlight doesn't seems to work on my tosa. I haven't tried other images yet though to check.

Discussion on the topic can be found here : http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angst...ber/002737.html

More information on Dmitry's tosa page : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/news/17/55/Status-update.html
speculatrix
QUOTE(LeTic @ Nov 21 2008, 01:24 PM) *
Sorry to post on a dead post but I just wanted to let you know that after lots of debugging from Dmitry he finally manage to solve the 2.6.24 bug on the tosa kernel.

It is available here : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/uploads/tosa-stable-images/debug/

So now Angström is booting back with the r19 image. But with that image the backlight doesn't seems to work on my tosa. I haven't tried other images yet though to check.

Discussion on the topic can be found here : http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angst...ber/002737.html

More information on Dmitry's tosa page : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/news/17/55/Status-update.html


good news late is still good news! does that means the backlight is stuck ON or OFF?
LeTic
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 21 2008, 03:50 PM) *
good news late is still good news! does that means the backlight is stuck ON or OFF?

Hey Speculatrix,

It was always stuck off, that's why it was unusable wink.gif Anyway while I was posting this, Dmitry released a new kernel with a fix at the same place so now you can test the latest Angstrom on the tosa.

Honestly I haven't had the time to try anything on it yet, so I can't tell you if it's good or not but it's still means a working 2.6.24 kernel on tosa !

Anyway if people could have a go with it, I bet Dmitry could do with more tosa users testings.


speculatrix
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/relea...2007.12/images/
doesn't seem to list tosa at all! where can I find a tosa firmware image I can flash please?
LeTic
Hey Speculatrix,

Sorry I should have specified smile.gif

Tosa hasn't been a supported plateform during the latest stable release for lack of maintainers to solve the tosa specific issues. But you can find the 2007.12 r8 images here :
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/tosa/ which are the last know working images with 2.6.23 kernels. The 2007.12 r9 marked the switch to 2.6.24 and a massive tosa breakage that has just been solved by Dmitry.

You can find all images incudling the new OPIE images here : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...autobuild/tosa/ (use the installkits)

It seems the new kernel from Dmitry hasn't been committed yet so you will find the zimage from here : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/uploads/tosa-stable-images/debug/

I know you don't need the instructions as you are an experienced tosa users wink.gif but in case somebody needs them :

1. For GPE download : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-installkit.tgz
For OPIE download : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-installkit.tgz
2. Download the alternative kernel from Dmitry : http://tosa.lumag.spb.ru/uploads/tosa-stab...zImage-tosa.bin
3. Rename it to zimage.bin
4. Extract the installkit
5. Replace the zimage.bin by the one from Dmitry
6. Put the files on a FAT formatted CF or SD
7. Reset with the stylus.
8. Press OK while pressing the ON button
9. Choose Update and then CF or SD
10. After the flashing it should reboot automatically
11. Test Angstrom

Let me know if you have any issues
LeTic
undrwater
OK...I had forgotten about the autobuild directory. I tried the new kernel with the older installkits, so I'm assuming that's why things like sound and backlight are not impacted by Opie or GPE.

Aside from that, things look REALLY good! Response is very snappy, boot time is short, suspend works (though needs "Menu | Suspend" to go into suspend, button brings out of suspend). Today I'll try the autobuild rootfs's to see what the difference is.

Excellent work Dmitri!! smile.gif
speculatrix
first time it booted, it stuck on the line printed before INIT, but this time looks better.

--edit-- hm, doesn't seem to suspend. is that normal?


memo to self: fix wonky LCD cable!
undrwater
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 24 2008, 03:02 PM) *
--edit-- hm, doesn't seem to suspend. is that normal?


It suspended for me using the menu (QPE, or Opie); not with the button. Comes out of suspend via the button, however.

Still no access to increasing / decreasing backlight via settings on either opie or gpe, haven't tested sound through alsa(mixer, player, etc...), but wifi is working (open network at least)!
speculatrix
thanks for that. my frankenzaurus has a loose connection somewhere and the video display has gone funny- upside down and scaled wrongly, so I will open up and have a poke!

computer hardware's been a PITA of late, my wireless NAS's wifi is bust, my sony laptop fan is failing, and my UPS has developed a death-rattle when its fans kick in.
lumag
QUOTE(undrwater @ Nov 25 2008, 02:21 AM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 24 2008, 03:02 PM) *
--edit-- hm, doesn't seem to suspend. is that normal?


It suspended for me using the menu (QPE, or Opie); not with the button. Comes out of suspend via the button, however.


I'll have to look upon this.

QUOTE(undrwater @ Nov 25 2008, 02:21 AM) *
Still no access to increasing / decreasing backlight via settings on either opie or gpe, haven't tested sound through alsa(mixer, player, etc...), but wifi is working (open network at least)!


I've committed the fix for the opie to .dev branch to support backlight setting. I'll have to look into GPE, but that may need time, as I'm more dedicated to opie for now. The patch should be
pretty easy though (check opie commit).
hakujin
This may be a bit off topic but I was testing Angstrom on my Tosa but when I tried to reflash my NAND backup it turned out the the backup was bad. Unfortuantely the only NAND backups I have been able to find are Japanese and while that looks cool and all my Japanese is not really up to par. Anyone have a good NAND backup they would be willing to share? Oh yeah also my update menu is still in Japanese even after flashing Angstrom.Thanks
lumag
QUOTE(hakujin @ Dec 3 2008, 09:45 AM) *
Unfortuantely the only NAND backups I have been able to find are Japanese and while that looks cool and all my Japanese is not really up to par.


There are several topics about NAND backups on this forum. Also the page about tosa on www.oesf.org should contain a link to SL-6000 NAND backup. Please take care to check.
lumag
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Dec 4 2008, 02:46 AM) *
I'm not sure you can ever change the update menu, there's an immutable block of flash for recovery, this is why zaurus is hard to brick.


There is a "diagnostic" menu in ROM, which can not be removed. OTOH "update" menu lies just in bare NAND and can easily be removed (e.g. by installing u-boot).
hakujin
QUOTE(lumag @ Dec 3 2008, 05:37 AM) *
QUOTE(hakujin @ Dec 3 2008, 09:45 AM) *
Unfortuantely the only NAND backups I have been able to find are Japanese and while that looks cool and all my Japanese is not really up to par.


There are several topics about NAND backups on this forum. Also the page about tosa on www.oesf.org should contain a link to SL-6000 NAND backup. Please take care to check.


Unfortuantely I have checked and all the links I have been able to find to the sl-6000L NAND backup are broken. I was hoping someone else might have squirreled one away just in case.
hakujin
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Dec 3 2008, 03:46 PM) *
I'm not sure you can ever change the update menu, there's an immutable block of flash for recovery, this is why zaurus is hard to brick.

trisoft IIRC had downloads of various roms.


Well I have done it. My update menu was in English before but now it is Japanese.
lumag
QUOTE(lumag @ Dec 2 2008, 04:23 PM) *
QUOTE(undrwater @ Nov 25 2008, 02:21 AM) *
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 24 2008, 03:02 PM) *
--edit-- hm, doesn't seem to suspend. is that normal?


It suspended for me using the menu (QPE, or Opie); not with the button. Comes out of suspend via the button, however.


I'll have to look upon this.

Today the fix went in in the .dev branch. It was just two missed lines in defconfig-tosa. I'll still have to check the keys mappings, check GPE problems etc.
undrwater
Speaking of keymappings; I did an

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ipkg update, ipkg upgrade


which eliminated my ability to get to the Fn generated keys (numbers, punctuation, etc...)

Suspend still has the problem of freezing the prism2_usb module. Can't reload (unload or load) this module after suspend.

I've noticed some other behaviors; but they're specific to Opie or GPE.

Feeling hopeful!
lumag
QUOTE(undrwater @ Dec 10 2008, 04:12 AM) *
Speaking of keymappings; I did an

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ipkg update, ipkg upgrade


Angstrom 2008 uses opkg. Do you track 2008 (unstable) or 2007 (stable) branch?

QUOTE(undrwater @ Dec 10 2008, 04:12 AM) *
which eliminated my ability to get to the Fn generated keys (numbers, punctuation, etc...)

Suspend still has the problem of freezing the prism2_usb module. Can't reload (unload or load) this module after suspend.

The workaround was pushed into 2008 branch. If you do track 2007.1, get apm-tosa-suspendfix package from 2008 feed
and install it.

QUOTE(undrwater @ Dec 10 2008, 04:12 AM) *
I've noticed some other behaviors; but they're specific to Opie or GPE.


Tell me more, please smile.gif
Most probably there should be several problems related to incorrect keymappings,

I did not test GPE at all for a long time. Currently busy with work, RL, providing upgraded kernel via OE (I plan to provide 2.6.27 or 2.6.28-rc soon) and fixing opie issues.
undrwater
QUOTE(lumag @ Dec 9 2008, 05:40 PM) *
Angstrom 2008 uses opkg. Do you track 2008 (unstable) or 2007 (stable) branch?


Not sure what you mean by "track", however update specified 2007.

QUOTE(lumag)
The workaround was pushed into 2008 branch. If you do track 2007.1, get apm-tosa-suspendfix package from 2008 feed
and install it.


Does this mean if I use opkg, I'll be on the right track (so to speak)? Or is it editing the /etc/opkg files?

QUOTE(lumag)
Tell me more, please smile.gif
Most probably there should be several problems related to incorrect keymappings,

You jogged my memory.
  • Key repeat is still too sensitive. Very easy to do www.goooooogle.commm
  • Testing the sketchpad app, I discovered I could not draw a straight line; just jagged ones (even after recalibrating)
  • I'd like to be able to install Minimo or Midori, but ran into the "locale not supported" error.
  • Installing to SD or CF requires linking to get libs to work.
I'm sure at least a couple of the above are kernel related.
QUOTE(lumag)
I did not test GPE at all for a long time. Currently busy with work, RL, providing upgraded kernel via OE (I plan to provide 2.6.27 or 2.6.28-rc soon) and fixing opie issues.

Your work is appreciated. biggrin.gif
LeTic
QUOTE(undrwater @ Dec 10 2008, 06:09 AM) *
Not sure what you mean by "track", however update specified 2007.

QUOTE(lumag)
The workaround was pushed into 2008 branch. If you do track 2007.1, get apm-tosa-suspendfix package from 2008 feed
and install it.


Does this mean if I use opkg, I'll be on the right track (so to speak)? Or is it editing the /etc/opkg files?



Hey undrwater

FYI the 2008 branch is now in the autobuild feeds here : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...autobuild/tosa/ so you can test the current development version instead of the "Old" stable. It features lots of improvements (one of them being the use of opkg instead of ipkg) and all the Tosa work from Dmitry.
undrwater
OK...I was looking in that directory before, but the images I downloaded still use ipkg.

I do notice the following:
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Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20081127-tosa-installkit.tgz


which I suppose is the "2008" track you speak of. I'll try that out.

[EDIT]
Just tried it out. Show stopper is apparently the keyboard does not work. "new user details" screen is the first...but neither HW or SW keyboard are placing text in the fields. Orange lines are back too. This is with the above installkit and Dmitry's kernel.
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