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ToneBlind
I assume the vast majority of everyone here uses or has used laptops in addition to their Zaurii. What do you use and why?

My first laptop was a Toshiba Tecra with a P-III 650 Mhz. Very nice machine at the time (almost 8 years ago.) It performed reasonably well, and was mostly problem free. It had a tendency to overheat, specially after a couple of years. I wasn't crazy about the construction of the machine (a few creaks, soft screen hinges, etc.) I didn't like the design either (2 tone plastic in the LCD cover, for example.)

After that I got an IBM Thinkpad T23 (refurbished), and I was extremely impressed by it. Much more solid, better looking, overall a more professional laptop (comparing it to the Toshiba was like comparing a Mercedes to a Toyota.) Whenever I had any problems it was very easy to service using the hardware manuals from IBM. A very modular system. Changing RAM, hard drive, even major components like the keyboard or the LCD panel was doable and somewhat of a pleasure.

Due to my experience with the T23 all the rest of my laptops have been Thinkpads. I have an X21 that I picked up in mint condition in ebay a couple of years back for little over $200. I have a dual boot of Ubuntu and Windows XP on it. It is beautiful, solid, and performs well, and now can be picked on eBay for about $100. Granted it is not as portable as the Zaurus, but it is still a very small system and with vastly superior possibilities.

So, what laptop brand are you guys partial off? Are you a Dell Devil, an Apple Advocate, or a Panasonic Person? tongue.gif
ntw1103
I am current using an HP tc4200 tablet. I also have an IBM r60(provided by the school I attend.)

The Thinkpad is a very nice computer. it seems to be very well built and sturdy.

But the HP tablet is another story. I am completely amazed by what this computer has survived. It is a long story that I won't get into, but it got left on the roof of a car, and it flew off at 50mph. (I think that was the highest my blood pressure has ever been.)
it survived with a tiny crack on the edge of the screen. Everything worked except for the Pen it flew out of the computer and got crushed by a car. I got a new pen and it worked great. about two months later I got into a car accident on my way to school. the table was in my bag on the seat next to me. It flew forward when I t-boned the other car and slammed into the dashboard.
The ram was unseated, and a small part of the case broke off, but that was it. (I was able to glue it.)
I am using the computer right now. it is simply amazing how tough it is. Both times the computer was in standby.
So at the moment I am partial to HP, but I have been happy with IBM also.

I just hope my Zaurus doesn't through anything like that. I am not sure how well it would fair.
jocasmi
I've got an Acer Travelmate 212T, a very simple machine, without infrared, wifi and bluetooth. However it is working well since eigth years ago. Its only problem was the battery life, that dead in its very early times, and when it was working it had a poor working time, just two or three hours.
Despite of that, it is still working with debian, OpenBSD and winXP. It never had a hardware problem.
Nowadays, in my country, Acer has decreased its fame, mainly because of its repair service.

Greets
Capn_Fish
I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 700m with Debian Testing. I mostly got it because it was small, light, had/has good battery life (~5 hours), and excruciatingly cheap at the Dell Outlet (only $700 with extended battery, when it would cost about $950 new).

If I were to get a new notebook, I'd have to think hard. Thinkpads are really nice, but the Fujitsu subnotebook is awfully tempting, as are a few others.
snk4ever
For almost 2.5 years: IBM x31. I love it.
Small, robust, quite light, yet fully usable.
Hrw
Dell D400 - 12" screen, no CDROM/DVD drive at all, Pentium Mobile cpu

I use it as 32bit build machine for Poky/Ångström and sometimes when I travel.
ToneBlind
QUOTE(ntw1103 @ Dec 15 2007, 10:43 PM) *
The Thinkpad is a very nice computer. it seems to be very well built and sturdy.

But the HP tablet is another story. I am completely amazed by what this computer has survived. It is a long story that I won't get into, but it got left on the roof of a car, and it flew off at 50mph. (I think that was the highest my blood pressure has ever been.)
it survived with a tiny crack on the edge of the screen. Everything worked except for the Pen it flew out of the computer and got crushed by a car. I got a new pen and it worked great. about two months later I got into a car accident on my way to school. the table was in my bag on the seat next to me. It flew forward when I t-boned the other car and slammed into the dashboard.
The ram was unseated, and a small part of the case broke off, but that was it. (I was able to glue it.)
I am using the computer right now. it is simply amazing how tough it is. Both times the computer was in standby.
So at the moment I am partial to HP, but I have been happy with IBM also.

I just hope my Zaurus doesn't through anything like that. I am not sure how well it would fair.

That's just amazing. blink.gif I have heard before that the HP laptop business line is very well built, similarly to Thinkpad machines.

There are a few videos around (you should be able to find them in YouTube probably) with real stories with Thinkpads surviving different accidents. Some guy ran with his pickup truck over his Thinkpad and it survived. Some other guy's home caught fire, and the firefighters after the fact threw the burnt and wet Thinkpad to the ground. The guy figured he would try to turn it on just for kicks once it dried, and it booted up. laugh.gif
ToneBlind
QUOTE(jocasmi @ Dec 16 2007, 03:24 AM) *
I've got an Acer Travelmate 212T, a very simple machine, without infrared, wifi and bluetooth. However it is working well since eigth years ago. Its only problem was the battery life, that dead in its very early times, and when it was working it had a poor working time, just two or three hours.
Despite of that, it is still working with debian, OpenBSD and winXP. It never had a hardware problem.
Nowadays, in my country, Acer has decreased its fame, mainly because of its repair service.

Greets

You've been using it for 8 years? That's awesome! By the way, I'm from Spain also (but I live and work in the U.S.)

I wasn't into laptops when I was in Spain. Can you find Thinkpads usually over there? If so, try to grab a hold of a 2nd hand T23, or an X21-X24. You won't be sorry you did!

Buenos dias! wink.gif
ToneBlind
QUOTE(Capn_Fish @ Dec 17 2007, 11:29 AM) *
I'm currently using a Dell Inspiron 700m with Debian Testing. I mostly got it because it was small, light, had/has good battery life (~5 hours), and excruciatingly cheap at the Dell Outlet (only $700 with extended battery, when it would cost about $950 new).

If I were to get a new notebook, I'd have to think hard. Thinkpads are really nice, but the Fujitsu subnotebook is awfully tempting, as are a few others.

Dude, you got a good deal! tongue.gif

You can always get very cheap Thinkpads (in eBay, almost new X21 can be had for less than $150.00.) I have an X21 that dual boots between Ubuntu and XP. It is incredibly fast in XP, especially for only having 256Mb. I run photoshop and stuff on it. In Ubuntu (using fluxbox) it flies. Just for fun, I have a video looping as my desktop background. I run it at only 500 Mhz by choice (less heat), and with the video running full screen in the background it only takes a 35% hit on the CPU. No issues whatsoever watching DVDs (for that you need to get the X2 media slice, in which you can install any of the Ultrabay 2000 devices (DVD-RW, 2nd Hard Drive, etc), and it also has a built-in floppy disk.)

Can you tell I like Thinkpads? laugh.gif
ToneBlind
QUOTE(snk4ever @ Dec 17 2007, 02:05 PM) *
For almost 2.5 years: IBM x31. I love it.
Small, robust, quite light, yet fully usable.

Excellent! Thinkpads rock! laugh.gif
ToneBlind
QUOTE(Hrw @ Dec 17 2007, 03:02 PM) *
Dell D400 - 12" screen, no CDROM/DVD drive at all, Pentium Mobile cpu

I use it as 32bit build machine for Poky/Ångström and sometimes when I travel.

I hope it works OK for you! How is the battery life? And the heat?
adf
Acer 5520 - lot o power for little $$. Currently running stock 32 bit vista (I have no idea why) looking into a 64 bit ubuntu, though currently there seem to be issues with gutsy on it.
dlj0
QUOTE(ToneBlind @ Dec 15 2007, 06:42 PM) *
I assume the vast majority of everyone here uses or has used laptops in addition to their Zaurii. What do you use and why?


I don't need no stinkin' laptop. I haven't used one since I got my first Z. Before that I had had a string of them, mostly bad. I had a Compaq aero, probably the forerunner of the eee, which had all of 8meg of ram and maybe 40 meg of hard drive. 486sx-25 processor (no FPU). Worked; in fact I even ran X on it, though that did run better with and extra 4 meg of ram. That was the only laptop I thought was reasonable. It was well under 1 kg.

But in recent years I have only had my desktop (ok, -s, one at the office and one at home) and the Z. I am headed to Spain for a semester with only the Z -- we'll see how that goes.

Basically, laptops are always compromises. Proprietary hardware, unreplaceable once the model disappears. Usually not upgradeable. But now, with all machines being so powerful, that doesn't matter as much -- anything will run linux, even a lot of laptops that are cheap because they won't run vista. But also, most laptops do not really offer the portability the design suggests. An hour or so on battery is just not enough. 2+ kilos is too much.

The joke here is about all the laptops executives insist upon, only to have security devices that bolt them to their desks.

For a portable machine, I need portable. The Z gives that. I only wish it also came with lots more ram.
xjqian
Toshiba Satellite 3005 since 2001. PIII 1GHz + 512M RAM + 16M NvidiaGO2 (at that time as the gaming laptop on the road). No wifi, BT or even USB2.0, but has IEEE1394. Battery dead, screen fainted, docked at home with a 22" monitor @ native 1680x1050 (thanks to the then forward thinking GPU choice). Occasionally brought to work (under 4 lb with battery out) for presentations and software testing (under XP). Dual boot Debian (lenny) and XP. Liked the DVD/CD+RW-ROM most, been abused with thousands of bad disks, yet still kicking strong, reads anything without a hitch. Expecting it to serve me for 10+ years.
njefferies
Fujistu Lifebook B-2154 circa 2001

1.4kg, Celeron 450, 192MB and touchscreen configured as follows

1. Ripped the HDD out and replaced with 4GB CF card (Transcend 266x which gives 40MB/s)

2. Had the batteries refilled with newer LiIon cells from batteryrefill.com - takes the life up to 5 hours from 3

3. Installed Windows 98SE (yes!) with IEradicator to remove IE and unofficial SP2.01.
This is remarkably secure and fast, no services running in background, most malware won't run.
Linux does run but not quite as resource efficiently and the touchscreen and BIOS suspend/resume are not quite 100%

4. Install CPUIdle

5. Install OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and the whole PIM/PI suite

Also have a set of HP Omnibook 800CT's which I use as wireless X-terminals running cut down Slackware off CF cards
The older ones have not quite enough video RAM to do 800x600 16-bit colour (who designed that?) but a bit of X tweaking will get you 800x572

...and an Omnibook 600 for the old DOS/Win 3.1 nostalgia games

...and an Omnibook 300 (spot the theme!) with DOS/Win3.1 in ROM, 9 hours of battery (AA's), Flash drives and 1.3kg - from 1993 and still going strong
craigtyson
QUOTE(ToneBlind @ Dec 18 2007, 07:05 PM) *
QUOTE(snk4ever @ Dec 17 2007, 02:05 PM) *
For almost 2.5 years: IBM x31. I love it.
Small, robust, quite light, yet fully usable.

Excellent! Thinkpads rock! laugh.gif

Il go along with that. Had a few issues getting UBUNTU 7.10 to work properly on it though, all now sorted inc proper power management wink.gif
Fushnchupsh
I use a Dell c400 ultra portable. I have a thing for small computers, what can I say? It seems to be the trend amongst us zaurus users

I love this little beauty. It's great for everything I need. Sure it doesn't have a cd drive built in, but honestly, what I use it for on the run isn't going to need anything but a massive thumb drive wink.gif

The only problem is that I don't have the dock and I can't install linux without pulling the HD and installing it on another machine.

Previous to this laptop I had a gateway 200 ultra portable. The thing was a piece of crap. I am really hard on my machines and this thing just couldn't take it. Plus, you couldn't boot from the docking station, so I had issues installing ubuntu with the live cd system My dell is amazing, really sturdy construction, nice case. I love it.

--Fish
Capn_Fish
Not to hijack the thread, but I've got a mini-ITX desktop with no optical drive (I was too cheap to get one), and have installed Linux on it with a USB optical drive many a time (I think you can even install Linux from a thumbdrive). You could try the same thing if it's overly frustrating to install Linux on it.
snk4ever
QUOTE(njefferies @ Dec 19 2007, 02:06 AM) *
Fujistu Lifebook B-2154 circa 2001

1.4kg, Celeron 450, 192MB and touchscreen configured as follows

1. Ripped the HDD out and replaced with 4GB CF card (Transcend 266x which gives 40MB/s)

2. Had the batteries refilled with newer LiIon cells from batteryrefill.com - takes the life up to 5 hours from 3

3. Installed Windows 98SE (yes!) with IEradicator to remove IE and unofficial SP2.01.
This is remarkably secure and fast, no services running in background, most malware won't run.
Linux does run but not quite as resource efficiently and the touchscreen and BIOS suspend/resume are not quite 100%

4. Install CPUIdle

5. Install OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and the whole PIM/PI suite

I've been thinking about doing such a thing with the exact same machine but I was afraid of the battery life and unaware of the CF lifetime. Did you tweak the swap (lkike turning it down) to save your CF or didn't you do anything specific ?
zmiq2
I'm using an ebay fujitsu b2610, PIII-800MHz/256RAM/30HD, 10' touchscreen (configured but not using it) with kubuntu. I like it so much that I bought a second unit just for p2p... (about 250euros each)

Theu don't have cdrom, but I just installed linux over the net with netboot/pxe boot. A little trouble, but with just one day fiddling I got it working. I know I could have bought a cheap usb-cdrom, but I liked the netboot option too! The netboot was only for installing linux; now it is not needed anymore.

The machine runs very well and it's very light, but a little underperforming; since I like the format, I'm planning on getting either a fujitsu P1610 or a Panasonic R7. Does anyone have experience on those?
cal
I have a black Apple Macbook with a 2 GHz core duo, and 2 Gigs ram running Leopard.

I have it because its pretty and people will like me more for being trendy.
deluxe
QUOTE(ntw1103 @ Dec 16 2007, 02:43 AM) *
I am current using an HP tc4200 tablet. I also have an IBM r60(provided by the school I attend.)

The Thinkpad is a very nice computer. it seems to be very well built and sturdy.

But the HP tablet is another story. I am completely amazed by what this computer has survived. It is a long story that I won't get into, but it got left on the roof of a car, and it flew off at 50mph. (I think that was the highest my blood pressure has ever been.)
it survived with a tiny crack on the edge of the screen. Everything worked except for the Pen it flew out of the computer and got crushed by a car. I got a new pen and it worked great. about two months later I got into a car accident on my way to school. the table was in my bag on the seat next to me. It flew forward when I t-boned the other car and slammed into the dashboard.
The ram was unseated, and a small part of the case broke off, but that was it. (I was able to glue it.)
I am using the computer right now. it is simply amazing how tough it is. Both times the computer was in standby.
So at the moment I am partial to HP, but I have been happy with IBM also.

I just hope my Zaurus doesn't through anything like that. I am not sure how well it would fair.



I was lacing my shoes the other day before going for a walk. My Zaurus sl-c1000 fell out of my hip pocket and landed on a ceramic tiled floor. Estimated free-fall=3 feet.
When I picked it up there was no damage, nor scratches, but it wouldn't turn on. I took out and replaced the battery, reseated the Seagate Microdrive (another source of possible damage), tried turning it on again and it rebooted.
Works fine since!!! Phew!! My BP definitely rose a few points when that happened.

Not nearly as heart-stopping an escapade as a couple of years ago with my jornada 568. That fell from my hand, and i instinctively swung my foot out to break its fall. it flew off my foot like a soccer ball, and skidded all the way across the hardwood floor about 12 feet to the wall. Not a scratch again, and still works fine!!!
pelrun
QUOTE(deluxe @ Dec 20 2007, 01:57 PM) *
and i instinctively swung my foot out to break its fall


I love that reflex! I can't tell you how many things it has saved from a nasty fate. biggrin.gif

...just as long as I never drop a bowling ball...
Hrw
QUOTE(ToneBlind @ Dec 18 2007, 10:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Hrw @ Dec 17 2007, 03:02 PM) *
Dell D400 - 12" screen, no CDROM/DVD drive at all, Pentium Mobile cpu

I use it as 32bit build machine for Poky/Ångström and sometimes when I travel.

I hope it works OK for you! How is the battery life? And the heat?

During long builds CPU goes to 70°C even so the airflow is quite hot. I use cpufreq 'ondemand' on it so it automatically lower cpu speed when not too much to do.

Battery gives me 40 minutes. New one is on a way to me.
Tom61
Asus EEE here. It had the right combination of size, processing capability and price, as well as my Lifebook P1120 being dead at the time. Runs Linux out of the box, and installing Ubuntu to a SDHC 8GB card was as easy as hooking up an external USB DVD drive. Cold boots to the default distro in less than 30 seconds.

Prior to the EEE I had a Fujitsu Lifebook P1120. A bit slow with only a 900MHz Transmeta processor and only 256MB (with 16MB of that eaten by code-morphing). However, it was the only thing in the size range that I could afford at that time (~$375 on ebay). When I was upgrading to a faster 60GB HD I dropped a screw into the wrong place and shifted it the wrong direction trying to get it out, and the only way to get it out was to completely disassemble the P1120. The insides of this laptop are horrible. I managed to get the screws out and reassemble it shortly before the EEE came, but it's a bit worse for wear now. Installing Linux was an interesting process, as it can't boot from most USB CD drives (or HDs, or anything but floppies and certain really old CDROMs). I installed DOS onto the drive I used, then used that to install XP (a license key was included on my P1120), and then used a utility to install Ubuntu from XP boot loader.

Before that, I had a Toshiba Libretto 110CT(~$150 off ebay). Fun machine, but nearly useless in this day and age. Mostly used it to play Tyrian 2000. It did cement my desire for another more powerful machine in this size, as I didn't want a full sized laptop.
speculatrix
Personally, I had a few IBM thinkpads which were pretty solid - one (380ED) is still with me - it was my Dad's for a few years, i'm going to clean it up and it'll be my Mum's simple word processor and email appliance.

I then had a Dell Latty C610, nice, but a bit flimsy. The Latitude got replaced relatively recently with a Sony TX2/XP which has an awesome screen, and best of I don't need to carry tons of adaptors, and can often leave charger behind. My laptops don't often leave home, so the relative flimsiness of the TX2 doesn't matter - they get moved around the house depending on what I'm doing.

At work I often didn't have a laptop, a few years ago I gained a cast-off Dell Inspiron 5000 which was a huge chunky solid thing, and it was really robust. Then I had a Dell D400 and D410, neither of which were particularly nice. Changed job in June, got a MacBookPro, lived with OSX for a few months but found Linux was more useful for my tasks, passed off the MBP to a new guy and ended up with a Tosh Tecra M9 (with discrete Nvidia graphics) mainly runs linux, very rarely Vista for specific tasks . We also have Lenovo's at work but a few problems with them meant we decided to try a different brand. A colleague has a Tosh R500 and I'd probably buy one of those instead of a Sony TX/TZ as it feels more solid.

--edit - clean up.
njefferies
QUOTE(snk4ever @ Dec 20 2007, 10:33 AM) *
I've been thinking about doing such a thing with the exact same machine but I was afraid of the battery life and unaware of the CF lifetime. Did you tweak the swap (lkike turning it down) to save your CF or didn't you do anything specific ?


Nothing special for swap - I did use an SLC flash card though, which has about 10x the read/write cycles of MLC flash cards (allegedly). To be honest, I have 12V linear flash cards from 1993 on the Omnibook 300 which are still working fine and I've never encountered a problem with flash failure - maybe I just don't buy cheap enough!

Batteryrefills do a good job for boosting battery life - they warranty their work and you can send them old failed batteries which is what I did. It's not pretty as they have to split open a plastic welded unit and then glue it back toegtehr but it works well (and they don't use Sony exploding cells either). Otherwise, changing from HDD to flash makes less of a difference to battery life than you would think - the processor and backlight are more hungry.

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