Mar 22 2004, 04:56 PM
Have a look at the spec sheet.
Coult it be possible to have OZ on this device? From the point of view that the form factor is about right for a programmer, why not?
Just the thing it lacks is a CF harddisk and an ethernet or 802.11B jack....
Mar 22 2004, 11:02 PM
There are builds for the Series 5, Series 5MX, Series 5MX-Pro, Revo (Revo+, Mako), Geofox One & "rudimentary builds" for the Series 7 & Netbook, though I don't know about the Netbook Pro. Try these addresses for more info:
P.S. If you could suggest that they also put together a build for the the Netpad that would be excellent
Mar 23 2004, 02:45 AM
Psion Gourou, David Potter, said that the will bring to the market a Linux PDA at the end of the year (2004).
Ask Psion Teklogix for netBook or netBook Pro details. The Psilinux members had fight for the netBook information for so long and have never received anything. We are stuck with PCMCIA drivers and some other componants.
And yes, it could be very great to have Linux on a Psion designed device with Psion designed software. But If you have followed Psion in the past, you should have noticed that they have always tried to hide all information about their hardware, their software, their files format and so on.
Note: I'm sure that Psion itself has never designed anything. The first Sibo operating system was certainly bought, the series 3 design too, same for series 5 device or netBook. Epoc, which is a mess in a programmer point of view (in my opinion) was the only one that haven't apparently been build with partners (but this has changed with Symbian joinventure).
Mar 25 2004, 06:44 AM
It breaks my heart to see how far Psion has declined, used to make me proud to be British, they made incredible stuff, to see a pic on the teklogix site of a netbook running that CE.net stuff makes me want to weep.
I hope to see Linux running on it, but really it's time to ditch them and move to the Z.
Psion is dead, time to bury it with dignity.
Don't flame, just my view as a life-long user of Psion products, going right back to Vu-Calc on my venerable ZX81.
Mar 27 2004, 02:55 PM
If could be great to have an european company selling PDA. I really don't know if Psion will be able to be that one... again.
First thing that they will have to do: get me in the company.
Mar 28 2004, 08:04 AM
There's one thing that I have forgotten to say:
Psion is no more Psion. The old Psion guys are like the old Psion device: ready for retirement.
What is really rock in Psion Teklogix is the Teklogix part (at present as since Teklogix purchase). Those guyes are great, they know what they do and they think before doing things. If Teklogix, heu... sorry Psion Teklogix manufacture a new Linux PDA, it will certainly rock.
The netBook pro is a good device (look at its specs). It's only a beginning, even if it run only WinCE net 4.2 at present. I'm really curious to see what they will propose in the future. Teklogix are winners. Will they be enough open minded for Open Source business?
Mussi, to reply to your question << Coult it be possible to have OZ on this device? >>, the answer is yes. And there is apparently a Teklogix plan to port Linux on it.
Mar 28 2004, 11:00 AM
I think you are putting too much faith in Psion Teklogcabin or whatever it's called, it's a final gasp of a dead idea, the NetBook is no new thing.
Seen it many times before in the decline of Sinclair, Commodore, Dragon, Atari and Acorn. I could go on and on..
If you want a device that size running Linux, buy a small laptop or a Z. It seems counter-productive to invest £1,200 pounds, time and energy porting, hacking and converting stuff to run on this thing that still won't run as well as a Zaurus or a laptop.
Seems pointless to me and a waste of precious life-hours, sorry. But some technophiles do like doing this kind of thing with more money and time than sense, good luck.
I love my C860 it's cheaper and better.
..and that's the end of that.. ;-)
Mar 28 2004, 01:32 PM
I have a 760 too and I won't buy a netBook pro because of its price, because it runs Windows CE and because it is too big and don't fit in a pocket
. Teklogix Embedded device are called 'rolls' because of their price/quality ratio.
But however, I know that Psion Teklogix can do a good job on PDA market. I worked during 2 years for them (and during 2 years before for Psion France). I saw how they work by myself.
Sharp Zaurus is the best PDA hardware at present. Psion had the best PDA software within Epoc32 operating system. Teklogix guys are open minded and know how to deal with curstomers (opening their internal documentation to partners if needed). This addition of things let me think that they could do a great job for Linux standardization and spreading on PDA.
Just an hope.
Mar 28 2004, 06:23 PM
Honestly, I do not see much in this product that isn't already in the Sigmarion III (http://www.dynamism.com/sig3/specs.shtml), except for a little more ram and a slightly bigger screen.
Mar 29 2004, 01:02 PM
You could also compare it to this one:
But the first question wasn't about this kind of comparision.
Mar 30 2004, 04:50 PM
As for Teklogcabin helping to 'standardise' Linux, what does that mean? What standard should it attain? By whose definition? Some guys in suits sat around a table? Would you like everyone to run the same UNIX flavour? The same desktop? Program the same way? The same framework? No room for individual choice? Sun have been using the UNIX "standard" desktop for years, CDE, and look at it! A relic from the Neolithic period, it's stifled innovation and evolution. Oh heck, I think you missed the point about Linux and what it can offer - choice - variety - a system YOU control.
Argh! This thread is getting worse, the FlipflopPC or whatever has been discussed in another thread, it ain't available yet, if it ever makes it off the production line I'd be surprised, and so what?. It still doesn't come close to my Z, all that technology crammed into a tiny case just to run crash-n-burn XP, or one could fight an uphill battle to try and get Linux on it, it's probably as much use as a Netbook, you may as well port Linux to my left nad.
Don't mean to sound negative, but I can't understand the logic in singing the praises of competitors and other machines, "what if's" and "why not's", this is a Zaurus User Group isn't it? Let's have more posts praising the Z instead of wasting hosting space sl@gging it off at every opportunity or thinking how green the grass is on the other side, that will damage the community and deter others from joining. To hell with the other machines, root for the Zaurus, but I say this, if anyone has a Zaurus and doesn't like it, get rid of it, I know enough people that would love one and the majority on this planet could never afford one.
I'm done on this...
I enjoyed my cathartic rant, wanna discuss religion and politics?
Mar 30 2004, 11:52 PM
You love your Z. This can't be denied.
Yearh yearh... You should already know reading my posts that I'm not satisfied by the OS nor by OS remplacement. I'm like fighting to convince developpers of what I think is the way to go for Linux on PDA. This is not different of what I have send to Psion CO before their decline.
With Sharp of Psion Teklogix, it doesn't really matter for me. Sharp is already there and has already prove that they can build Linux PDA. They are the first true big entreprise trying to use Linux on PDA. Unfortunately, with the present state of the Linux PDA graphical applications and enterprise figth, it's like playing to Russian roulette to build a new device using it. I know that your are disagree and that you think the opposite. We will see who will be rigth in the next furture. The past events let me see that I'm rigth. I can't see anything that haven't occured and for now the solution is still in front of us.
Just one second, put yourself in the place of an enterprise (manufacturer or software builder) and think about what they would like to see on Linux PDA market.
Just one second, put yourself in the place of Microsoft and think about what they would like to see not emerging on Linux PDA market (in fact, what will work and what will eat their Pocket PC market share).
Just one second, think about standard user (or a enterprise leader) that only run Linux as user xxx and use only KDE and Open Office suite. This one who would like to use a PDA at home as at work and synchronising with the secretary calendar and address book.
Perhaps you can't imagine this. I don't know. Perhaps you simply don't care. I don't know. Perhaps your work here is to freeze Linux PDA state like it is at present to prevent it from eating PPC. I really don't know. I can only work on what I know, on what I read and on my enterprise/PDA experience.
Mar 30 2004, 11:55 PM
:arrow: I can only be pragmatic.
Mar 31 2004, 05:52 AM
Mmmh, I'm not totally disagreeing with you but Sharp do not want to do the things you say, they have very little interest in pushing the Z outside Japan, I understand why (I know people who know people in Sharp) and it comes down to simple market protection, if Sharp launched a global campaign it would not stand a chance, the Zaurus will never be a Linux PDA in the way you mean, never ever. It is not a PDA, they never say it is. You stand as little chance in changing that as I did asking Psion not to withdraw from the consumer sector. The Z is not a consumer device outside Japan, it isn't even an enterprise tool really, but it most certainly is a piece of kit for Linux hackers and fans, absolutely.
Opening it up globally will mean it has to compete, and you know what?, competition does not always do good, an excellent machine could be simply obliterated in the market, then what? It's back to PocketPC and Palm again. The Z is the Third Way. And no, it won't be a Psion, why not ask Psion to write the software, that is what they originally were; Vu-File, Vu-Calc etc where the softwares that launched them, they CAN make good software. (But they wont)
I don't want to see you get disheartened, but maybe you should have considered this before buying probably one of the most 'fringe' or 'renegade' pieces of hardware out there. Yes, I am happy with my choice, I've never had a machine that can be so personalised, the machine and I are inseparable, and others I know who have Z's feel the same, we also feel the same way about our desktop systems, I have SuSE Linux on a PC home entertainment system and a Sun Solaris Sparcstation and I am just as passionate about those.
I don't want to freeze Linux development, far from it, but I do not see it going the way you hint at, it will find it's own path with the Open Source community dictating it's direction, not corporates in boardrooms.
I hope you stay with us, write the software YOU want to see, others may share your vision and help make it possible, that is the power of Linux. Look at the the pdaXrom team! They wanted their Z's to be sub-laptops running a pure Linux/X Server enviroment, and made it possible, it impressed the hell out of me.
Mar 31 2004, 08:11 AM
I will try to build it. Very hard works but I can't see how to make it differently. Participating in pdaXrom or OE / Opie is perhaps the best way to go.
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