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Varti
For those of you still searching for a Z replacement: a new clamshell console with a built-in keyboard has been announced:

http://liliputing.com/2016/01/gpd-plans-to...-trail-cpu.html

GDP has in the past already released some clamshell consoles (albeit without a keyboard), like the GPD XD, with some very positive reviews (like this: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/11/h...digital_gpd_xd), so this looks like an interesting project. The measurements haven't been released yet, but since it has a 5.5" display I guess it will be more or less big as an SL-C. It will ship with Windows 10 and eventually Android unfortunately; Linux support might be problematic as explained here:

http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/p...7781/#msg137781

I hope that the designers will eventually shed some light on this. The designers are open to any comment and request on the Dingoonity forum thread posted above.
Thanks to Tomoe on #zaurus for the URL!

Varthall
zaurusrex
3D print size comparisons show the device size in similarity to GPD XD. Sounds a neat device!
Varti
QUOTE(zaurusrex @ Feb 4 2016, 01:04 PM) *
3D print size comparisons show the device size in similarity to GPD XD. Sounds a neat device!

Good find! So:

SL-C xx00: 124 x 87 x 25mm
GDP Win: 155 x 94 x 24mm

The GDP handheld will be then quite wider (+31 mm) and a bit deeper (+ 7 mm) than the SL-C. I would have preferred it to be smaller, but at least it should still fit into a (larger) pocket.

Varthall
ArchiMark
If you want a linux based clamshell, check out the upcoming Pyra....successor to the great OpenPandora....

Very much in the open source spirit....

https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/

smile.gif

Mark
speculatrix
I just merged in my duplicate post
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the Pyra is damn expensive! and still not available.

I think the GPD is more likely to come through


https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-...-console-laptop


It achieved its goal. The specs are fairly good -
* a high end Atom X7-X8750 cpu,
* 4GB RAM,
* 64GB flash,
* 5.5" 720p touch screen with HDMI,
* dual-band wifi and bluetooth,
* stereo speakers,
* keyboard and joysticks...
* memory card slot,
* USB etc,

http://www.gpd.hk/gpdwin.asp



There seems to be some interest in this from various communities:
* XDA - http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10...pd-win-t3363923
* dingoonity - http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/
* http://forum.gpd.hk/f6-gpd-win
speculatrix
Maybe Banggood will have them soon
http://www.banggood.com/GPD-WIN-64GB-Intel...-p-1060199.html


GPD say October 2016, so in theory any day now, right?
ArchiMark
The GPD is nice, but the keyboard is not as good as the Pyra.....

GPD if you want to run Windows and Pyra if you want to run Debian or other linux distro.....

And Pyra is in final stages of production tweaking (see Pyra forum.....). Developer units are out and in hands of devs....

Pre-orders are being taken.....

If all goes well, Pyra will be out by end of year....
Varti
I must say it is tempting, but first I'd like to see reports saying if and how well Linux runs on it.

Varthall
ArchiMark
There's already some videos demonstrating Pyra works.....

For General info:

https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

Forums have lots of good info and regular updates from ED who's producting them.

https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/

smile.gif
TheWalt
I purchased a GPD Win so can review/test when they come in (hopefully in a few weeks if they are on schedule).
speculatrix
QUOTE(TheWalt @ Oct 6 2016, 04:19 PM) *
I purchased a GPD Win so can review/test when they come in (hopefully in a few weeks if they are on schedule).


I'm looking forward to your review.


excellent, I hope you get on well with it.

I, and a bunch of other people, have invested a fair bit of time working with a Baytrail Z3735F based device, so we might be able to help you, or at least the list archives might be useful, especially if you need a bit of advice about UEFI booting etc.
https://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/click
https://www.tinc-vpn.org/pipermail/click/
Varti
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Oct 6 2016, 09:04 PM) *
Look forward to your review too......and especially about the keyboard....


+1... I'd also like to have a new, modern Zaurus replacement.

Varti
TheWalt
One of the GPD guys did reply that the unit uses a standard 64bit UEFI, so in theory there is hope.

If not, this person got ubuntu running under emulation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsNZk0ydqeQ
ArchiMark
Looks pretty good.......
speculatrix
You can boot 64 bit linux when you only have 32 bit UEFI firmware, as there's a UEFI "shim" that modern linuxes use.


The way I got Debian installed on my Baytrail device was to use the Debian Multi-arch ISO:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/curren...ti-arch/iso-cd/

I had to attach a USB network adaptor, like one of these:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Multiport-Compact-...s/dp/B00YAR30VA
speculatrix
The Banggood page now says Available on Pre-Order Stock due to arrive on November 4 2016
TheWalt
Just got an email update. Not the CPU upgrade as expected but should have a device in my hands soon being an Indegogo backer. biggrin.gif

QUOTE
The first batch of the second mass production of GPD WIN will be finished October 20. We will start delivery to Indiegogo backers from October 20. As the international logistics is a little complex we hope can finish 100-200 orders each day.

The final processor of GPD WIN is Z8700 because it is more stable than Z8750. We are trying to get touch with Intel to solve this problem but it may need a period of time so in order to avoid too much international repair and a long time delay we final decided to changed it into Z8700.
speculatrix
QUOTE(TheWalt @ Oct 17 2016, 04:05 PM) *
Just got an email update. Not the CPU upgrade as expected but should have a device in my hands soon being an Indegogo backer. biggrin.gif


I'm looking forward to your news. I think a key factor will be whether there's any linux support for the wifi and sound, I'm not quite so bothered about bluetooth.

The CPU downgrade doesn't seem significant
http://ark.intel.com/compare/93362,85475
TheWalt
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 17 2016, 11:17 AM) *
The CPU downgrade doesn't seem significant
http://ark.intel.com/compare/93362,85475


Agreed, as long as the integrated video didn't get some crazy high bump as I do expect to play some games on it as intended.
speculatrix
I just saw this:
http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/10/17/ock...#comment-533211


very similar specs, with a better display, but no keyboard and US$550 instead of the $330 for the GPD Win at Banggood.
TheWalt
New video showing most all bios options in GPD Win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6yKbihdWc

Keyboard review from same guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StBcB4r_J0k
speculatrix
the Phawx has posted a bunch of videos now
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePhawx/videos

so I asked him to try linux
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePhawx/discussion
speculatrix
GPD Win is in stock for $330 or £275
http://m.banggood.com/GPD-WIN-64GB-Intel-Z...-p-1060199.html

I really want one but not sure I can justify the price right now.
Plus I should wait for others to rush in and do all the hard work of making it run Linux cool.gif

If this proves popular amongst Zaurusholics, I propose we create a sub-forum
speculatrix
And GPD have started sending out tracking numbers for the indiegogo backers
Varti
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Oct 26 2016, 09:16 AM) *
GPD Win is in stock for $330 or £275
http://m.banggood.com/GPD-WIN-64GB-Intel-Z...-p-1060199.html

I really want one but not sure I can justify the price right now.
Plus I should wait for others to rush in and do all the hard work of making it run Linux cool.gif

Nice... I must say it's tempting for me too, even if it might never run Linux at all and we'd have to resort to Android (or ANDRAID as they spell it on banggood biggrin.gif ).
Any idea how much would the customs and shipping to Europe cost?

QUOTE
If this proves popular amongst Zaurusholics, I propose we create a sub-forum

I agree, I was thinking the same...

Varti
ArchiMark
Just got email that my GPD WIN is shipped....... cool.gif

Ordered mine from DragonBox Shop < dragonbox.de > in Germany.....great to deal with.

This ought to tide me over until they release the Pyra...should be out December or January......

Hope to receive package early next week.
greguu
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Oct 26 2016, 03:34 PM) *
Just got email that my GPD WIN is shipped....... cool.gif

Ordered mine from DragonBox Shop < dragonbox.de > in Germany.....great to deal with.

This ought to tide me over until they release the Pyra...should be out December or January......

Hope to receive package early next week.


From dragonbox.de :

Questions and Answers:

Q: Is it possible to install a different OS (i.e. Linux)?
A: Maybe. The device has no locked bootloader, but there is no official support for anything else except Windows 10. Besides, similar Intel SoCs are known to have issues running Linux. So it might work, but we cannot promise anything.

I would be interested if it actually can run Arch.

ArchiMark, can you give some feedback on the build quality, display and keyboard once you get yours ?
greguu
Just some observation - have a look at these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkA68yUsWa4 (BIOS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPqkEgWwcdM (Windows 10 reinstall)

And you will see the BIOS is rotated as well as the windows installer screens (eg before the proper graphics driver is loaded)

I wonder why that is. Maybe they used a cheap smart phone LCD screen that is designed for portrait mode and the framebuffer defaults to 720x1280?

The Intel driver does very likely hardware rotate without any performance loss (as seen in second video after Windows 10 pulled the driver update).

This could be different when using Linux, eg default kernel FBDEV rotation is pure software and slow (eg with Zaurus, where framebuffer rotation is a pain).

Xorg may work quite fast if hardware rotation is supported by the Intel driver.

I better wait until this is clarified before ordering one. ???
ArchiMark
QUOTE(greguu @ Oct 28 2016, 10:15 PM) *
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Oct 26 2016, 03:34 PM) *
Just got email that my GPD WIN is shipped....... cool.gif

Ordered mine from DragonBox Shop < dragonbox.de > in Germany.....great to deal with.

This ought to tide me over until they release the Pyra...should be out December or January......

Hope to receive package early next week.


From dragonbox.de :

Questions and Answers:

Q: Is it possible to install a different OS (i.e. Linux)?
A: Maybe. The device has no locked bootloader, but there is no official support for anything else except Windows 10. Besides, similar Intel SoCs are known to have issues running Linux. So it might work, but we cannot promise anything.

I would be interested if it actually can run Arch.

ArchiMark, can you give some feedback on the build quality, display and keyboard once you get yours ?


Will do, Greg.......

Should arrive on Monday...according to UPS....

smile.gif


QUOTE(greguu @ Oct 28 2016, 10:34 PM) *
Just some observation - have a look at these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkA68yUsWa4 (BIOS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPqkEgWwcdM (Windows 10 reinstall)

And you will see the BIOS is rotated as well as the windows installer screens (eg before the proper graphics driver is loaded)

I wonder why that is. Maybe they used a cheap smart phone LCD screen that is designed for portrait mode and the framebuffer defaults to 720x1280?

The Intel driver does very likely hardware rotate without any performance loss (as seen in second video after Windows 10 pulled the driver update).

This could be different when using Linux, eg default kernel FBDEV rotation is pure software and slow (eg with Zaurus, where framebuffer rotation is a pain).

Xorg may work quite fast if hardware rotation is supported by the Intel driver.

I better wait until this is clarified before ordering one. ???


Up to you of course.....

I certainly will test out linux on it as soon as I get it.....
ArchiMark
Got WIN today!

Overall, very cool pocketable computer....

Doesn't seem like a whole lot larger than Zaurus clamshell models...although it is larger....

Build is pretty good....

Display is sharp and pretty vivid.

Keyboard is OK....not great, but you will get used to it after a bit....

Plugged in USB stick to try out Linux Mint 18......

Good news it boots up fine and you get to desktop as expected.

Bad news is that Greg suspected, just like BIOS settings screen is rotated sideways, so it Linux Mint.....

So, that would need fixing....but it can be done, then linux should work great.....
speculatrix
Good news, especially that you had no problems receiving a working model reasonably promptly.
I should hope that xrandr will do the trick.

Maybe you can try RemixOS too.

Did Wi-Fi and Bluetooth work without fuss? Any sound?

My Baytrail device mostly works but Linux isn't stable, depending on the exact kernel and patches it will hard lock between tens of seconds and tens of minutes. This is what makes me worried about buying the GPD Win.
ArchiMark
Sorry, didn't do much with it....as it was very awkward navigating around screen with it being rotated 90 degrees.....

Will try it again with xrandr and see if I can get it oriented correctly and then test out wifi, etc....
ArchiMark
Tried adding 'xrandr -o right' to Grub boot parameters. But get message 'xrandr not found'......

I booted up with screen rotated and then checked WiFi....it works!

Opened up terminal and was able to use it.....even though it is sideways on display.

Tried 'xrandr -o right' and screen went black.

Found webpage with info about rotating screen. Tried what was suggested, but screen went black.

So, main issue now is getting screen rotated correctly....

Any ideas???

Thanks.

PS. Phawx who has posted lots of WIN videos and posts over at http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-devices/g...indiegogo/5430/ says he got Xubuntu running and screen rotation correct. He says the gui has rotation options. Will check if Linux Mint has it too...[UPDATE: Linux Mint has it too, but screen went black after I selected rotation option.

Also learned that used a modded version of Xubuntu from this site:

http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2016/10/...-trail-and.html

I just tried running it, but after it starts to boot up, the screen goes black.....just read notes on the webpage and it says:

QUOTE
Some cautionary advice:

The initial menu screen takes slightly longer to appear than with the official ISOs. Depending on the speed of the USB drive used it can be anything from fifteen to forty-five seconds before anything appears on the screen.

After installing with a 32-bit bootloader booting sometimes results just in a blank/coloured (e.g. purple) screen.

To prevent this and to ensure a successful boot it is best boot through the BIOS menu followed by selecting the Ubuntu option.

If dual booting with Windows I recommend installing/re-installing 64-bit Windows to circumvent this issue if your device supports it.


Also, someone else posted they got Arch running with correct rotation with some tweaking. Tried what he did in terminal in Linux Mint, but screen went black.

https://m.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/5ac1...mp;compact=true
speculatrix
someone on the GPD forum posted they had Fedora running, overcame the screen rotation, said something about wifi problems

http://forum.gpd.hk/t23-linux-on-the-gpd-win#173

I added a comment and suggested the person came here.
ArchiMark
Thanks for sharing this...

Good to see another example where someone got screen rotated.

I still have not been able to rotate screen....always goes black when I try....

Have tried:

- Linux Mint

- Xubuntu (worked OK for someone else...)

- Lubuntu


While have not figured out how to rotate display, most other things seem to work OK, including WiFi....
Varti
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:22 PM) *
I still have not been able to rotate screen....always goes black when I try....

Have you seen this, in the same thread?

QUOTE
This is using KDE and Fedora 24
For the screen rotation, we waited until the desktop booted and the display options to rotate the screen.
then the kshell processed needs to be killed and restarted for it to behave properly.


and

QUOTE
Gnome didn't work when we tried so that's how we ended up with KDE.


Varti
ArchiMark
QUOTE(Varti @ Nov 7 2016, 08:28 AM) *
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:22 PM) *
I still have not been able to rotate screen....always goes black when I try....

Have you seen this, in the same thread?

QUOTE
This is using KDE and Fedora 24
For the screen rotation, we waited until the desktop booted and the display options to rotate the screen.
then the kshell processed needs to be killed and restarted for it to behave properly.


and

QUOTE
Gnome didn't work when we tried so that's how we ended up with KDE.


Varti


Yes, saw that post.....thanks....

Very interesting, how rotation is able to work in some cases and not in others....

So far, one person got rotation in Arch....

One person got rotation in Xubuntu.....

And one person in Fedora 24/KDE......
greguu
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:53 PM) *
QUOTE(Varti @ Nov 7 2016, 08:28 AM) *
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:22 PM) *
I still have not been able to rotate screen....always goes black when I try....

Have you seen this, in the same thread?

QUOTE
This is using KDE and Fedora 24
For the screen rotation, we waited until the desktop booted and the display options to rotate the screen.
then the kshell processed needs to be killed and restarted for it to behave properly.


and

QUOTE
Gnome didn't work when we tried so that's how we ended up with KDE.


Varti


Yes, saw that post.....thanks....

Very interesting, how rotation is able to work in some cases and not in others....

So far, one person got rotation in Arch....

One person got rotation in Xubuntu.....

And one person in Fedora 24/KDE......


I am just guessing here as I do not have one of these but it may depend on if the Linux kernel boots with modesetting enabled or not, as well as if there is fbdev rotation enabled in the kernel.
You can disable mode-setting with kernel parameter "nomodeset"

Kernel parameter to rotate legacy framebuffer (FBDEV)
CODE
fbcon=rotate:<n>

This option changes the orientation angle of the console display. The
value 'n' accepts the following:

0 - normal orientation (0 degree)
1 - clockwise orientation (90 degrees)
2 - upside down orientation (180 degrees)
3 - counterclockwise orientation (270 degrees)


If you boot up Mint or any other Linux to X, can you find out what Xorg driver is loaded ? Xorg log file ?

You can rotate with with "xrandr" once Xorg is loaded or via parameter passed to Xorg.

Cheers!
greguu
QUOTE
Got WIN today!

Overall, very cool pocketable computer....

Doesn't seem like a whole lot larger than Zaurus clamshell models...although it is larger....

Build is pretty good....


Can you post a picture to compare size ?

QUOTE
Display is sharp and pretty vivid.


How is viewing angle ? Can you see from right and left a clear screen , sharp and correct colours ?

QUOTE
Keyboard is OK....not great, but you will get used to it after a bit....


What is the keymap like under linux, can you do all F1-F12 , SHIFT, ALT, CTRL etc ..

QUOTE
Plugged in USB stick to try out Linux Mint 18......

Good news it boots up fine and you get to desktop as expected.

Bad news is that Greg suspected, just like BIOS settings screen is rotated sideways, so it Linux Mint.....

So, that would need fixing....but it can be done, then linux should work great.....


See my other post about this, this can be fixed. Depends on driver support for hardware rotation.

Maybe I need to get one....
speculatrix
I think if more than four people get one it would be useful to set up a couple of sub-forums for this device - hardware hacking, windows hacking and linux hacking... anyone agree?
greguu
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 8 2016, 11:29 AM) *
I think if more than four people get one it would be useful to set up a couple of sub-forums for this device - hardware hacking, windows hacking and linux hacking... anyone agree?


Indeed, but I will wait a bit, get some log files and more hardware details from a running recent Linux kernel first, before ordering one.
Saying that, they may have limited stock and it may be best to get in line now if you are very keen.
greguu
Looks like dragonbox is out of stock already, others on pre-order - guess too late...
TheWalt
Finally got mine but have been too busy (trying to sell a house) to do much other than the two day windows update process *sigh* At least count me in on the "soon to be testing linux distros" list.
ArchiMark
QUOTE(greguu @ Nov 8 2016, 02:13 AM) *
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:53 PM) *
QUOTE(Varti @ Nov 7 2016, 08:28 AM) *
QUOTE(ArchiMark @ Nov 7 2016, 05:22 PM) *
I still have not been able to rotate screen....always goes black when I try....

Have you seen this, in the same thread?

QUOTE
This is using KDE and Fedora 24
For the screen rotation, we waited until the desktop booted and the display options to rotate the screen.
then the kshell processed needs to be killed and restarted for it to behave properly.


and

QUOTE
Gnome didn't work when we tried so that's how we ended up with KDE.


Varti


Yes, saw that post.....thanks....

Very interesting, how rotation is able to work in some cases and not in others....

So far, one person got rotation in Arch....

One person got rotation in Xubuntu.....

And one person in Fedora 24/KDE......


I am just guessing here as I do not have one of these but it may depend on if the Linux kernel boots with modesetting enabled or not, as well as if there is fbdev rotation enabled in the kernel.
You can disable mode-setting with kernel parameter "nomodeset"

Kernel parameter to rotate legacy framebuffer (FBDEV)
CODE
fbcon=rotate:<n>

This option changes the orientation angle of the console display. The
value 'n' accepts the following:

0 - normal orientation (0 degree)
1 - clockwise orientation (90 degrees)
2 - upside down orientation (180 degrees)
3 - counterclockwise orientation (270 degrees)


If you boot up Mint or any other Linux to X, can you find out what Xorg driver is loaded ? Xorg log file ?

You can rotate with with "xrandr" once Xorg is loaded or via parameter passed to Xorg.

Cheers!


Will try 'nomodeset'.....

Did try fbcon=rotate:1 and xrandr -o right as per guy who got Arch running....

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/5a...on_the_gpd_win/

But did not work for me......screen turned black....

I can check Xorg driver and log file later.....

So far, xrandr just causes screen to go black....it has worked sometimes for others....
Varti
QUOTE(greguu @ Nov 8 2016, 11:41 AM) *
Looks like dragonbox is out of stock already, others on pre-order - guess too late...

They'll probably do a second production batch, but this depends on how long will Intel keep producing the CPU:
https://liliputing.com/2016/07/gpd-win-hand...ead-launch.html
https://lpxshow.com/lpx-episode-9-funeral-f...atom-processor/

Varti
ArchiMark
Check with dragonbox if you're interested.....that's where I got mine....great service and very fast shipping....

Either email or use the new chat function on website...I've used both and very responsive...

As for pics....here's a few to start with....






ArchiMark
QUOTE(speculatrix @ Nov 8 2016, 02:29 AM) *
I think if more than four people get one it would be useful to set up a couple of sub-forums for this device - hardware hacking, windows hacking and linux hacking... anyone agree?


Yes, that would be great......

Already got two of us here......

smile.gif
ArchiMark
QUOTE(TheWalt @ Nov 8 2016, 05:39 AM) *
Finally got mine but have been too busy (trying to sell a house) to do much other than the two day windows update process *sigh* At least count me in on the "soon to be testing linux distros" list.


That's good news about receiving your WIN.....

Hope things go well with your house, so, we can compare 'linux on WIN' notes soon....
speculatrix
I created a GPD Win forum category and some sub forums, I hope this is what people want, let me know if the three sub forums works for you

https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=169
speculatrix
I moved this discussion to the GPD Win Hardware forum
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