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jsilve1
Hi all. I have several general questions about the SL6000.

1) Has anyone had success using USB devices with it? I know the specs say "USB host compatible with Sharp products" or something like that. How about other (non-Sharp) products?

2) Has anyone installed OpenZaurus on the SL6000?

3) What is up with www.myzaurus.com? It appears to have stopped in time. The latest news/info/updates on that site appear to be fro June, 2003.

4) What battery is the proper spare (model number, please) for the SL6000?

5) Should I just get the 5600 and save myself 300 bucks? (I saw a 5600 listed on Amazon for $289!!!) Actuall, I will do the analysis on this one myself -- lessee, add in Wireles CF card, compare the screen size, hmmm... compute compute...I think I'd go with the SL6000. But I just wanted additional impressions and comparisons between the new Zaurus and last year's Z.

6) Zaurus SL600 versus full-featured notebook. (e.g Dell Inspiron 1100, which I found refurbished for only around $800) Pros/Cons?

Thanks, all. I'm sure I'll have plenty more questions.
nevarrie
Let me start by saying I still have not got my SL-6000($150 and I will)...I have been looking at getting a Zaurus for almost a year now and have really done alot of thinking of what I would uses my Z for. When it comes down to it the 6000 seems to be the best match for me when looking at a getting a laptop, pocketpc, linux handheld, or palm os device.

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5) Should I just get the 5600 and save myself 300 bucks? (I saw a 5600 listed on Amazon for $289!!!)  Actuall, I will do the analysis on this one myself -- lessee, add in Wireles CF card, compare the screen size, hmmm... compute compute...I think I'd go with the SL6000. But I just wanted additional impressions and comparisons between the new Zaurus and last year's Z.
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My decision that the SL-6000 is right for me has to do with the fact I want wifi and I like the idea of the larger screen.  Having used both a 5600 and a SL-C700, the screen makes a big difference if you want to uses your Z as a portable computer.  Also having the CF slot open for a microdrive or 2gb cf card is nice since I want to have storage and wifi at the same time.  and with the expansion sled I am hoping to turn my Z into a portable computer that I can dock and uses a full size keyboard, mouse, usb harddrive, usb DVD/CD-RW, and have a 1024x768 xga cf card for video.  Being a unix admin I can uses the network as my computer when I am docked making a Z an X display.  From what I understand it is possable though I may have to do some development to make it work.

6) Zaurus SL600 versus full-featured notebook. (e.g Dell Inspiron 1100, which I found refurbished for only around $800) Pros/Cons?


A 4" is not as large as a laptop but then again the only time I have really like the fact of having a 14" display on my laptop is when I am gaming. to be able to take my computer and put it in my pocket and take it with me with out having to carry a large computer bag will be nice. Though I do understand that I will still need to cary a computer bag for my Targus keyboard, extra battery, and sled. Though I can not see all of that taking up as much space as a laptop does. I am sure not everyone would agree though after using a palm os device for the past 5 years I can see myself being able to function better with a handheld computer then with a new laptop.

Anyone that knows please correct my misunderstands.
anonuk
why not treat yourself to an 860?? (Although i realise not all of ZUG are addicted yet :-))
lpotter
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Hi all. I have several general questions about the SL6000.

1) Has anyone had success using USB devices with it? I know the specs say "USB host compatible with Sharp products" or something like that.  How about other (non-Sharp) products?


Havent tried yet. a 6000 will be available to me soon.

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2) Has anyone installed OpenZaurus on the SL6000?


Not yet. But now I get to play with one, I hope there can be.

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3) What is up with www.myzaurus.com? It appears to have stopped in time.  The latest news/info/updates on that site appear to be fro June, 2003.

No one knows. Sharp stopped supporting it apparently.


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4) What battery is the proper spare (model number, please) for the SL6000?

Not sure, but there should be one available from Sharp somewhere.

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5) Should I just get the 5600 and save myself 300 bucks? (I saw a 5600 listed on Amazon for $289!!!)  Actuall, I will do the analysis on this one myself -- lessee, add in Wireles CF card, compare the screen size, hmmm... compute compute...I think I'd go with the SL6000. But I just wanted additional impressions and comparisons between the new Zaurus and last year's Z.

The 5600 has the CPU with a Linux workaround that slows it down. Although the 5600 is a nicer device than the 5500, as it has more memory.


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6) Zaurus SL600 versus full-featured notebook. (e.g Dell Inspiron 1100, which I found refurbished for only around $800)  Pros/Cons?

Thanks, all.  I'm sure I'll have plenty more questions.


cant stick a notebook into your shirt pocket.
Ethereal
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The 5600 has the CPU with a Linux workaround that slows it down.


Many 5600's have the PXA 255, with the cache bug fixed. Also, many owners of 5600's with PXA 250's have installed the "special" kernel which does away with the cache workaround without apparent ill effect. :?:
Ethereal
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why not treat yourself to an 860??


Garghhh! I am so fscking sick and tired of listening to the self-appointed "Clamshell Aristocracy" around here. I'm glad you love your little Barbie-doll-sized laptops; really, I am. But this poster asked several questions, each and every one pertaining to the SL-6000.

Maybe he doesn't want a device that isn't supported by Sharp outside Japan.

Maybe he doesn't want a device that is only about 35% screen.

Maybe he wants a device that is at least minimally usable without tying up both hands.

Maybe he wants 802.11b without sacrificing the CF slot.

Maybe he wants a Z he can safely drop from waist height onto a concrete floor...?

Sorry for the rant, but I really am weary of the snide arrogance of some of ZUG's clamshell owners who seem to think a tablet model is just something to keep one's hand from shriveling up and falling off while waiting for a C860 to arrive from Japan hidden inside a hollowed-out pumpkin.

My SL-5600's not perfect, but I wouldn't trade it for a boatload of smuggled CXX0's.
lwong
1) So far I succesfully connected a USB SD card reader and a portable hard drive to the USB. However, it didn't work with another mobile hard drive. The one that worked was assigned sda1. The other one was assigned scsi1 and I can;t mount it.

5) After you see the screen, you probably will go straight to 6000. The screen is definitely the biggest factor for me to keep it. It makes simple things like looking up calendar and contacts a joy.

A lot of group members rave about how great the C series are. But after seeing the screen of 6000, I will have to see the C series in person to be impressed.

FW
DrWowe
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A lot of group members rave about how great the C series are. But after seeing the screen of 6000, I will have to see the C series in person to be impressed.
FW


I've seen a C750 in person, at a ZUG meeting (thanks, Jerry) It is definately a nice machine. But I got my 6000 today, and I'm very impressed. The screen is by far the most gorgeous PDA screen I've ever seen, and that includes the C750. Built-in wireless clinches the deal for me.

When the wireless successor to the C860 comes out, maybe I'll think about importing. We'll see. In the meantime, I have a 6000 to keep me entertained.
jsilve1
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why not treat yourself to an 860??


Garghhh! I am so fscking sick and tired of listening to the self-appointed "Clamshell Aristocracy" around here. I'm glad you love your little Barbie-doll-sized laptops; really, I am. But this poster asked several questions, each and every one pertaining to the SL-6000.

Maybe he doesn't want a device that isn't supported by Sharp outside Japan.

Quite true!
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Maybe he doesn't want a device that is only about 35% screen.

well, the clamshell's screen looks pretty nice from the pix i've seen
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Maybe he wants a device that is at least minimally usable without tying up both hands.

good point
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Maybe he wants 802.11b without sacrificing the CF slot.

definitely true
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Maybe he wants a Z he can safely drop from waist height onto a concrete floor...?

nice! has anyone "tried" this?
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Sorry for the rant, but I really am weary of the snide arrogance of some of ZUG's clamshell owners who seem to think a tablet model is just something to keep one's hand from shriveling up and falling off while waiting for a C860 to arrive from Japan hidden inside a hollowed-out pumpkin.

LOL.
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My SL-5600's not perfect, but I wouldn't trade it for a boatload of smuggled CXX0's.

Thanks for all the helpful and insightful answers, everyone. I'm definitely getting the SL6000 now.
piggity
Just to add to this a bit, and it doesn't sound like you need anymore convincing. I went from the SL6000 to the 860 and now back to the SL6000. The screen, built in wireless, and the usability did it for me (its not real conveniant to have to hold a pda with two hands)! Now if we could just get the socket bluetooth 2.5G card working for the 6000 smile.gif
pierro78
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1) So far I succesfully connected a USB SD card reader and a portable hard drive to the USB.
that is really interesting !! tongue.gif was this hard drive powered via the 6000 USB port or did you have to supply a separate power for it ? and what kind of drive was it ? Thx !
lwong
Pierro78,

The ones that worked is a laptop hard drive(40G) in an external casing. I use a desktop USB port to power the casing and Z assigned it to be sda1 once I plugged it in. I mounted it and it showed up in the document folder.

The one that did not work was a 20G portal HD. Since I don;t have the USB-to-power cable of this one, I plugged it into a powered 4-port USB hub. I tried before w/o using the hub and it caused the Z to hang immediately. Now i realized the Z may not have enough power to drive it by itself.

Anyway, when I connect it through the powered hub, Z recognize both the hub and the HD. It even stated it as a Fujitsu hard drive w/ 20G volume. This time the Z assigned it as scsi1. I tried the same trick by adding a line in a particular file (have to look for the file name) and mount scsi1, it failed to do so. The HD is from work so I don;t have it w/ me right now. If anyone is interested, I can try it again on Monday and post exactly what the message was.

FW





lwong wrote:
1) So far I succesfully connected a USB SD card reader and a portable hard drive to the USB.
that is really interesting !! was this hard drive powered via the 6000 USB port or did you have to supply a separate power for it ? and what kind of drive was it ? Thx !
pierro78
Thanks Lwong for your answer.
I suppose your 20GB portable hard drive was a 1.8" hard drive ?
For your information here is a thread with pictures where they tried to power a 40GB freecom 1.8" hard drive through the toshiba e800 USB host port and it failed : http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthrea...e=&pagenumber=3
lwong
Actually, it's co-worker's HD. He told me it's a laptop harddrive in a slim casing. If Z cannot drive an external HD byits own power, I might have to re-tink getting one. It's no fun carring so much cable and power adaptor when you go out.

FW
cradlinski
I'm going to get an SL-6000 eventually, but I have a few questions for current SL-6000 owners (if you don't mind):

1) What is the width and height of the screen in mm? I've been in touch with the folks at NuShield about screen protectors for the SL-6000. Currently, they don't offer any but if I can get them the screen dimensions they might have something that would work.

2) Has anybody connected a USB keyboard to an SL-6000? Does it work? How about an IR keyboard (specifically: the Pocketop)?

3) Has anybody used any non-WiFi networking devices on the 6000L, like a modem or cabled ethernet card?

4) When will the 6000W and 6000N be released in the U.S.?

Thanks for your time.

Chris Radlinski
anonuk
Ethereal, sorry didn't mean to rile you up - just wanted to suggest an 860 as a possibility?

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Sorry for the rant, but I really am weary of the snide arrogance of some of ZUG's clamshell owners who seem to think a tablet model is just something to keep one's hand from shriveling up and falling off while waiting for a C860 to arrive from Japan hidden inside a hollowed-out pumpkin.  



I own a clamshell and a 5500 (now in constant use by my gf), and have recommended the 5x00 to lots of my associates, but i use the 860 a lot more than i used to use the 5500 (mainly because of the form factor).

There is always the 'great clamshell debate' but i especially tried to keep my post short and avoid offending, i was just making a suggestion in case jsilve1 hadn't considered the clamshell line of zauruses. AFAICS Any zaurus is a great buy, i've purchased a number of 5x00's for members of my family as psion replacements :-)

Sorry if i was out of line...
Ethereal
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1) What is the width and height of the screen in mm?  I've been in touch with the folks at NuShield about screen protectors for the SL-6000.  Currently, they don't offer any but if I can get them the screen dimensions they might have something that would work.


[url=https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3165]Allegedly, the screen is the same size as the Toshiba e800's.

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4) When will the 6000W and 6000N be released in the U.S.?


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Thank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.
 
 Unfortunately I do not have any information on the release of this
unit at this time.
DrWowe
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1) What is the width and height of the screen in mm?


[url=https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3165]Allegedly, the screen is the same size as the Toshiba e800's.


Very close. My boxwave e805 shield was 1mm too long, it fits perfectly after I shaved it.
cradlinski
Thank you both for your replies.
iyah
Hi all. I have several general questions about the SL6000.

1) Has anyone had success using USB devices with it? I know the specs say "USB host compatible with Sharp products" or something like that. How about other (non-Sharp) products?

archos 10g mp3/hd came in as /mnt/sda1
sony dsc-p51 digicam in as /dev/sdb1
Using universal usb cables from staples

2) Has anyone installed OpenZaurus on the SL6000?

No, but pdaXrom works somewhat in console mode (the keyboard isn't mapped properly yet). X comes up and looks good but is not quite functional (see the dual booting article in the pdaXrom groups).

3) What is up with www.myzaurus.com? It appears to have stopped in time. The latest news/info/updates on that site appear to be fro June, 2003.

dunno

4) What battery is the proper spare (model number, please) for the SL6000?

dunno, but pcconnection sells them whatever they are.

5) Should I just get the 5600 and save myself 300 bucks? (I saw a 5600 listed on Amazon for $289!!!) Actuall, I will do the analysis on this one myself -- lessee, add in Wireles CF card, compare the screen size, hmmm... compute compute...I think I'd go with the SL6000. But I just wanted additional impressions and comparisons between the new Zaurus and last year's Z.

Depends on what you value for your money. I value screen quality and expandability (but this thing is BIG ... not something you're going to flip out in the supermarket to look at the shopping list. That made me strongly consider the 860 )

6) Zaurus SL600 versus full-featured notebook. (e.g Dell Inspiron 1100, which I found refurbished for only around $800) Pros/Cons?

It's not a notebook. By a notebook if that's what you need, especially if you're looking to run any commercial or mature software.

Thanks, all. I'm sure I'll have plenty more questions.
Ethereal
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Ethereal, sorry didn't mean to rile you up - just wanted to suggest an 860 as a possibility?  
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Sorry if i was out of line...


No, your post unfairly caught a lot of the backlash from 1000 other instances of clamshell snobbery. (I do appreciate that, before the advent of the SL-6000 (which is still unfolding in the West), the clamshells were the only 640x480 game in town...)
sakamoto
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Actually, it's  co-worker's HD. He told me it's a laptop harddrive in a slim casing. If Z cannot drive an external HD byits own power, I might have to re-tink getting one. It's no fun carring so much cable and power adaptor when you go out.

FW


You may want to try the X's Drive or similar product, whish is build-in battery and 6-in-1 card reader (of cause with HD).

I'm already bring along this with my Digital Camera when travel oversea.

Saka
DrWowe
Battery P/N for the 6000 is EA-BL09.
Ethereal
Just today's update on the 6KW in the US (or not) situation:

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Thank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.
 
 
 Unfortunately there are no plans for this unit to be released in the
U.S. any time in the future.
 
 
 
We appreciate the opportunity to provide you with this information.  
If you
need additional information include all information from prior e-mail
messages and replies.
 

Diane Habas
Customer Assistance Center
Technical Support Specialist
Technical Support Line: 877-794-8675
Fax: 630-378-9981
Accessories: 800-BE-SHARP
Email: zaurussupport@sharpsec.com


Anyone who wonders how so many of us here can simultaneously hate Sharp and love (at least some of) their products, maybe this little example of their high-handed arrogance toward US consumers will help.
DrWowe
Ethereal: You don't know what you're missing. If the 6000W becomes available, I'll upgrade in a heartbeat, but even so, the 6000L is the best handheld I've ever owned. I was a little underwhelmed with my 5600, primarily for the same reasons as my ipaqs and other devices - the screen res. You have to see it to believe it how much a bright 640x480 screen improves usability. I can easily navigate websites that were frustrating on the smaller screen. Also the ruggedness is great - it's a nice thing, psychologically, to carry it around without being afraid that I might drop it and ruin a large investment. With the built-in WiFi, I expect to be able to leave a bluetooth CF card in permanently, so I won't normally have to deal with juggling cards.

Oh, a low-level tech isn't really going to know what the product plans are. You just got a canned answer so don't read too much into it. The best we can expect from emailing Sharp is 1. a sense of personal satisfaction and 2. hope for a hallway/water cooler conversation where the techs happen to mention to someone important that they've been getting a lot of inquiries about this "bluetooth model".
Ethereal
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With the built-in WiFi, I expect to be able to leave a bluetooth CF card in permanently, so I won't normally have to deal with juggling cards.


Yeah, I've considered that solution, too. But with the Socket cards not (yet) working in the 6K, I decided it was too much compromise to have an Ambicom wagging its tongue out the top of a 6KL, not only aesthetically, but from a case-fit standpoint as well. There's also something philosophically objectionable about buying a device inside which I know there's an empty spot intended for a BT chip, and then shoving a BT card into the CF slot.

If someone wants to step in and school me on how Sharp has good reason to withold the 6KW from the non-Japanese markets, please do. As I see it, they have the Anglicised ROM for the 6KL, they have the 6KW for Japan, so releasing the 6KW in the US would mean all of about a dozen man-hours to slap an English UI on the Bluetooth subsystem.

But they'd rather flip us the middle finger than do business with us.
cradlinski
Do any of the Socket cards work in the 6K or is it only the Bluetooth card that fails?
DrWowe
I have every intention of making the Socket card work. Since it already works on other models thanks to Tumnus, I expect it will only require fairly trivial hacking.
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