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duffman
I tried LinPhone, no dice. Has anyone got it to work? Or know of any other VoIP apps for the 6000? Thanks!
benkrembs
I also tried it a while ago and no luck. But yeah.. VoIP on this thing would be AWESOME.

Anybody out there talking on this thing?
coolass
tkcphone is ok. Try the demo first.
duffman
Coolass,

Did you notice any caveats installing tkc-phone? I got the demo and the support libraries but having some problems getting it to work still.

Thanks!
-Dustin
tdt
I've also been trying to get this working with no luck. I'm able to get the sip call set up and according to the ethereal traces the sip phone at the other end is sending RTP packets, so I think that the inbound direction is working. But nothing is ever sent from the zaurus side. I also get the following error messages when run at the shell prompt. i'm not sure how to interpret them though. Does anyone have any idea about this? Terry.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Error: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Data won't fit within the current RTP packet size
sent 54615 (3),received 55011 (3);read 529600 write 533440 need 528000 jitter 23
sent 55308 (3),received 55737 (3);read 536320 write 540480 need 528000 jitter 9
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Error: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Data won't fit within the current RTP packet size
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Error: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Data won't fit within the current RTP packet size
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Error: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Data won't fit within the current RTP packet size
sent 56166 (3),received 56496 (3);read 544640 write 547840 need 544000 jitter 16
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Error: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

etc.
selfabuse
Not to dig up a real old topic, but I got this working. It was a piece of cake actually. Grabbed a copy of KPhone/Pi from here, installed openssl from here, and away it went.

I have it connecting to an asterisk server back at my office, and it seems to work just fine. I just got the 6000 not an hour ago, and this is the first thing I tried wink.gif
offroadgeek
selfabuse - thanks for the post! kphone/pi is sweet.. it works awesome on 6000.

As soon as I got kpone/pi setup, I registered for accounts on the following VOIP networks:

Voice-Pulse
Nufone
Free World Dialup (FWD)

Here are some thoughts on the three:

FWD seems to be the best so far
- comprehensive website with nice features (call history, messages, etc.)
- great configuration instructions on website (even specific instructions for kphone!)
- offers multiple ways to test setup/connection (echo test, call back, and even a number to call (55555) to speak to a real person - kinda funny)
- no setup costs at all

Voice-Pulse
- $10 non-refundable cost (adds $10 to your account for PSTN calls)
- decent site with limited configuration instructions
- I couldn't get kphone to register to voice-pulse network, even though I used the correct login/password
- I also tried the config on the x-lite softphone on my powerbook, still couldn't register

Nufone
- works fine, but they have a very simplistic website and features. Hardly anything for configuration instructions (except for the tiny bit you get in the confirmation email)
- was able to configure it and could receive calls via my ID@ipaddress, but couldn't get STUN setup (so that I could receive calls at offroadgeek@switch-2.nufone.net)

Using the 6000 as a VOIP phone is really nice. It's totally comfortable to put the back of the zaurus to your ear and use it like a regular phone. My test calls were very clear.

I wonder how many people with a 6000 will actually use it as a voip phone? Also, if you want to do any reading on anything VOIP, check out voip-info.org

btw - I put my voip # in my signature, in case someone wants to do a test call
selfabuse
If you're in the mood to be super-geeky and you have a linux box at home, you can even pick up a pretty inexpensive PCI card, install Asterisk, and do VoIP on anywhere you've got a decent internet connection on your 6000 back to your landline at home.

After seeing me making VoIP calls on this, the president and vice president of my company have started shopping around for 6000s. We just started selling VoIP service, and VoIP PDAs would definatley be a cool thing to show off to prospective customers.
offroadgeek
QUOTE(selfabuse @ Dec 19 2004, 02:45 PM)
If you're in the mood to be super-geeky and you have a linux box at home, you can even pick up a pretty inexpensive PCI card, install Asterisk, and do VoIP on anywhere you've got a decent internet connection on your 6000 back to your landline at home.

I already have asterisk running on my of the ZUG servers in the house smile.gif though I don't have a pci card installed to connect it to my landline. I'm still tinkering with asterisk... I'd like to have it configured to be a STUN server, so I can have an address like offroadgeek@zaurususergroup.com (or something like that), and be able to log into it from anywhere.

The nice thing about the VOIP services that I mentioned before, they offer real cheap international rates, in case I ever need to call the UK or japan... but I guess I hardly ever do that. Then again, it would be cool to call my nephiew who's stationed in Japan.

I wonder if we should setup a VOIP ZUG server for our members to use? Though I can't think of anything that we could offer over any of the free providers...
xjqian
FWD with kphone/pi_0.9.8 + openssl_0.9.7d works great for me. However, only tried 163(echo) and 55555 (supposed to be FWD welcome phone, reached a real person once). Most of the time 55555 gives me a "Forbidden" error, which, I guess, translates to "busy". calling 10000(supposed to be talking to FWD's founder) gives back "non-invite response".

Waiting for my girlfriend to set-up her FWD, so I can do a reality test. Thanks selfabuse for the heads up.
cvmiller
Hi All!

So you got me all exited about Kphone/pi on my SL-6000. Got it installed no problem. I thought I would test it out with the Kphone on my laptop (v 2.03 included with Mandrake 10.1).

Everything seems to run OK. But when I actually call my Zaurus (from the linux laptop) an I use the default Codec G711u, I get nothing but noice on BOTH machines! And if talk into the Zaurus mic, the noice on the laptop momentarily stops (while I am talking) and then instantly resumes.

If I switch to one of the other Codecs (GSM, iLBC) then I get silence, but I don't get any voice either.

Any thoughts on how to test this before I connect to FWD or PND? I'd like to see it work on my local network first.

Thanks,

Craig...
offroadgeek
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Dec 24 2004, 03:08 PM)
Any thoughts on how to test this before I connect to FWD or PND? I'd like to see it work on my local network first.

I don't know that you can do direct IP to IP calls with kphone/pi (I could be wrong). AFAIK, kphone/pi is a SIP only softphone, and allows only SIP calls.

I've found FWD the easiest to setup with kphone/pi and they have great options for testing calls (echo test, time, live person testing). check out this config doc for specific instructions for setting up kphone/pi with FWD using STUN (in case you're behind a firewall).

good luck
xjqian
I concur with offroadgeek. SIP is an index service provided by FWD or others. Although direct IP to IP calls with kphone/pi may be possible, it should be a different configuration.

Have anybody tried FWD Peering? I'm mosted interested in Vonage and Packet8. How's the quality?

VoIP on 6K is great. Isn't that one of the major reasons 6K designed for? tongue.gif
offroadgeek
QUOTE(xjqian @ Dec 25 2004, 01:42 AM)
Have anybody tried FWD Peering? I'm mosted interested in Vonage and Packet8. How's the quality?

VoIP on 6K is great. Isn't that one of the major reasons 6K designed for?  tongue.gif

I tried the peering number for an 800 call on my calling card (to see if I can reach a regular land line), but the DTMF doesn't show the full 10 key num pad, so I couldn't dial a zero. I couldn't figure out a way to resize the window. (I submitted a bug report for this)

In my excitement to get this working, I tried setting up an inbound DID so that I could receive calls on my 6000. I happen to be in a place where my cell doesn't work, but the cabin has dsl and wifi so I thought it would be a good time to really test this out. So I first setup an asterisk server, and got a DID through Voicepulse Connect, but I couldn't get asterisk configured properly to register with the voicepulse connect service, blah blah blah... I just couldn't get it to work.

So I thought I'd try Vonage. Keep in mind this is just three days ago. I setup a new account with vonage and ordered the Premium Unlimited plan with the softphone add-on. After it was setup (within hours) I tried to setup the service on my 6000, but found out that Vonage doesn't support SIP only based softphones sad.gif I even called Vonage technical support to verify this. So I got a full refund (including setup costs). Overall, it seems like a good company, but it just won't work with kphone on the 6000.

Next I thought I'd try the full Voicepulse service (not just Connect). This time I called Voicepulse technical support and they confirmed that they do indeed support SIP based softphones. smile.gif They have a 30-day money back guarantee, so I figured I couldn't lose. I setup an account (America Unlimited) through them a day and a half ago, and the account is "still pending verification". Definitely not as quick as vonage.

In the mean time, I'm still tinkering with setting up the asterisk server correctly. This would definitely be the most inexpensive route to go, as there would be no monthy charge except for the Voicepulse Connect service (which is minimal).

I'll let you know if I ever have any luck with voicepulse.
unblowupable
Great work so far offroadgeek! I look forward to learning how you make out with asterisk/Voicepulse Connect. It does seem like the ideal solution, but in the meantime I may try IConnectHere.com's "Build Your Own Plan" for SIP users w/ FWD. Anyone have feedback about ICH? According to FWD they should work fine for PSTN calls, and the prices seem reasonable.

FWIW I was able to use peering through FWD to call toll free numbers (Just had to dial *18#########). Additionally, I was able to use a calling card to reach a regular land line. I ran into the DTMF/keypad problem initially but the AT&T card I used allowed voice recognition for PIN and phone # to call. The quality of the call was very good. So basically if you have a 6000, kphone/pi, FREE FWD account, broadband connection and a callling card that doesn't require DTMF for the PIN and phone #, you can make calls to anywhere! Of course you can always call US toll free #'s directly through FWD. A phone #, voice mail and all the services of ICH, Voicepulse, etc., would be nice, but this is a quick & dirty solution that works!
cvmiller
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Dec 25 2004, 08:54 AM)
QUOTE(xjqian @ Dec 25 2004, 01:42 AM)
Have anybody tried FWD Peering? I'm mosted interested in Vonage and Packet8. How's the quality?

VoIP on 6K is great. Isn't that one of the major reasons 6K designed for?  tongue.gif

I tried the peering number for an 800 call on my calling card (to see if I can reach a regular land line), but the DTMF doesn't show the full 10 key num pad, so I couldn't dial a zero. I couldn't figure out a way to resize the window. (I submitted a bug report for this)


On DTMF, You can access all the numbers (and symbols) if you rotate your screen. I run my screen rotated all the time, so I didn't even notice there was a problem until you guys mentioned it.

Thanks to all, I signed up to FWD, and have made the test calls. I even signed up my wife, and made a call from my Z to her Mac (using JSphone). The audio was a bit choppy, but that could be because we were on the same wireless network.

Thanks to all for turning me onto a cool Z app!

Craig...
cvmiller
Has anyone gotten Voice Mail to work?

I have it setup, but I can't log in. Apparently, according to the FAQ, it doesn't recognize DTMF. So how does one log into voice mail on the Z?

TIA,

Craig...


sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com
selfabuse
I'm fairly certian I had voicemail working back to the asterisk machine at my office - but I don't know how FWD has all their stuff set up. I uninstalled my sip software a little while ago for some reason or another, but I'll reinstall it to double check that I really can get in. Another fun thing I just did was install the full asterisk PBX under pocketworkstation. It's not really too useful other then to impress other geeks with, but hey, sometimes that's enough wink.gif
offroadgeek
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Dec 30 2004, 07:58 PM)
Has anyone gotten Voice Mail to work?

I have it setup, but I can't log in. Apparently, according to the FAQ, it doesn't recognize DTMF. So how does one log into voice mail on the Z?

TIA,

Craig...


sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com

I saw this on the FWD site, this is probably the same thing you mentioned you saw in the FAQ:

QUOTE
The voicemail system isn't able to understand the DTMF tones sent when you enter your password. Voicemail only understands DTMF when its sent using the rfc2833 standard. Check your phone configuration to make sure its senting DTMF using rfc2833.


Though I don't know if kphone/pi supports DTMF using the rfc2833 standard. I was able to check my FWD voicemail from my laptop (using x-lite) so I know it's working on the FWD side...
thaak
Hi

I've just managed to dial my cellphone via FWD and Iconect peering. **334 and then using the DTMF my id number and password and then could dial out. Pretty cool. Just need to find a way to send the Iconnect id and password without having to type it in. Oh yes using KPhone/PI. Tried tkcphone (bought the full version) but have had not luck iwth it. Anyone got tips on setups or how to send numbers from the address book to dtmf would be very helpfull biggrin.gif .

Thanks
cvmiller
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Dec 30 2004, 08:34 PM)
Though I don't know if kphone/pi supports DTMF using the rfc2833 standard. I was able to check my FWD voicemail from my laptop (using x-lite) so I know it's working on the FWD side...

Apparently Kphone does _not_ support RFC2833 (which is a DTMF signalling like protocol when real DTMF gets too torn up (distorted) by the audio codec).

LinPhone is supposed to support RFC2833, but alas, it doesn't support STUN (which is used when behind a NAT firewall).

I tried configureing another profile on my wifes laptop (with SJ phone) but that didn't work (it kept sending her phone number, not mine).

Being a Linux only (ok, there are also MacOS X machines in the house as well) shop, x-lite doesn't seem to be an option. Although it does look to be a nice client.

I guess my voice mail will be greetingless for now.

Thanks,

Craig...
sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com
offroadgeek
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Dec 31 2004, 11:24 AM)
Being a Linux only (ok, there are also MacOS X machines in the house as well) shop, x-lite doesn't seem to be an option. Although it does look to be a nice client.

I guess my voice mail will be greetingless for now.

I also have all linux boxes and one powerbook with osx/debian dual boot. Theres and x-lite client for osx which works nicely.

Another cool thing about FWD voicemail is that you can have it forward your voicemails as .wav files to your email.. works really well.

On another note, I finally got the voicepulse service setup and ordered the 'open access' add on so that I can use kphone/pi on my 6000 with the service. Its a pretty cool setup... they give you a DID (in the area code of your choice) and now I can send and receive PSTN calls on my 6000. My calls so far have been really good. I ended up leaving my cell at home and went to a coffee shop to hang out and have breakfast with my dog. Of course this coffee shop has free wifi so I made a few calls (while sitting outside on a semi busy street in SF). The calls were very clear, seemed just like I was on my cell. The person on the other end of the call said tht it was also very clear, except for a little bit of an echo when he spoke.

All in all, very cool. And the guy selling coffee in the coffee shop gave me a free beer, because it's new years eve. (It is 12:02 PM after all)
dfisher
What are people using for a mic and headset?
unblowupable
QUOTE(dfisher @ Jan 2 2005, 09:44 PM)
What are people using for a mic and headset?

For now I am using a Jabra Earwrap - the generic 2.5 mm adapter version. I didn't buy it from this site, but here's a link so you can see them. The quality of the speaker and mic are very good, although I find it awkward to wear (but maybe its just me.) I got it for $17 at a local Staples. A satisfactory solution for now, but I'd like to find something more comfortable.
xjqian
QUOTE(dfisher @ Jan 2 2005, 09:44 PM)
What are people using for a mic and headset?

I use a generic 2.5mm headset. Consider upgrading to a CF BT + BT headset in the future.

Thanks Craig for the tip of using DTMF in the landscape mode.

I randomly tried some 1800*** numbers. Mixed results. For example, UPS tracking's voice is crystal clear and it understands the DTMF sent by the 6K. Although it did miss the part of prompting me to enter the tracking number, I managed to DTMF in the digits after the voice "I don't understand ....". And the results are good. However, for the TripRewards, neither was the sound clear nor did it accept my DTMF. So it is a YMMV.

For internet calling, I was comparing the sound quality of the FWD with Skype. The other party was out of the states. We tested pulver.Communicator on our PCs first, (Cat5 LAN). Unfortunately, the sound quality is inferior to Skype (Cat5 LAN). I have to say Skype is crystal clear, while FWD with pulver.Communicator is muffled. Then I used my 6K (WiFi) talking to the other party. The result is choppy, acceptable at best. Of course, there is a possibility of the wireless signal quality issue in my home. Even worse, however, the KPhone crashes after about every 10-15mins (does anybody else has this kind of expereience?). All in all, a little disappointed. I will keep an eye on the possiblity of the Xqt+Debian with Skype.

Voicemail worked with pulver.Communicator on my PC. Sending the voice message to my email box is a big plus.

update: it works better for me today, at least I managed 1hr talking time before KPhone crashed. Sound quality is better than yesterday, but still sounds like a walkie talkie, i.e. when i spoke, i heard only silence. If neither of the party speaks, just absolute silence. No background sound at all. In some cases, I thought the connection was dropped, but actually not. With Skype, I could even hear the breathing of the other party when I was speaking. Plan to buy a CF LAN card to check out if it's my WLAN problem.
thaak
Have managed to connect directly to Iconnect via KPhone. Could then dial PSTN numbers directly(with Iconnect account). Worked fairly well dial a couple of my friends in South Africa from the UK and worked fine.

Does any one know of a way to setup multilple accounts on KPhone. Would like to be connected to FWD for internet calls and Iconnect when I want to phone a PSTN phone as I find it a mission to go from FWD to Iconnect and have to type in the numbers all the tim.
cvmiller
QUOTE(thaak @ Jan 3 2005, 04:57 PM)
Does any one know of a way to setup multilple accounts on KPhone. Would like to be connected to FWD for internet calls and Iconnect when I want to phone a PSTN phone as I find it a mission to go from FWD to Iconnect and have to type in the numbers all the tim.

Thaak,

It isn't pretty, but Kphone stores all its config info in: /home/zaurus/kdepims/config/kphonerc

You could create a simple script that would rename 2 different kphonerc files one for each kphonerc personality.

I hope this helps,

Craig...
sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com
xjqian
QUOTE(thaak @ Jan 3 2005, 07:57 PM)
Does any one know of a way to setup multilple accounts on KPhone. Would like to be connected to FWD for internet calls and Iconnect when I want to phone a PSTN phone as I find it a mission to go from FWD to Iconnect and have to type in the numbers all the tim.

Help ---> start hints
"if you want to use multiple identities, start KPhone with the '-u' option...'
'kphone -u jsmith'

It's worth to read through the Help: audio setup, howto use, start hints. Pretty informatiive. The storing pwd in /home/zaurus/kdepims/config/kphonerc mentioned in the howto use is a great hint.

one question, anybody know if i should increase the two values in the SIP Preferences->Settings
Expire Time of Registration (sec)
Expire Time of Presence Subscription (sec)
Are these values like elapse time before giving up registration/presence subscription?
zautrix
Interesting thread ... ;-)
I agree, there is a setting missing for more than one SIP account.

The DTMF portrait mode problem should be fixed in KPhone/Pi 0.9.9.

I also merged some changes from KPhone 4.1.0.

Please try version KPhone/Pi 0.9.9 and let me know, if everything is still working... ( because I did not test the merged changes from KPhone 4.1.0 very much).


Thx,

z.
cvmiller
QUOTE(zautrix @ Jan 4 2005, 07:06 AM)
Interesting thread ... ;-)

The DTMF portrait mode problem should be fixed in KPhone/Pi 0.9.9.

Great App! Thank you for making it happen,

Do you see any support for DTMF (RFC2833) in the future? FWD voice mail only accepts RFC2833 signaling, (not DTMF), which makes it a little hard to configure the voice mail using kphone/pi.

Thanks again for the great App!

Craig...
xjqian
QUOTE(zautrix @ Jan 4 2005, 10:06 AM)
The DTMF portrait mode problem should be fixed in KPhone/Pi 0.9.9.

installed 0.9.9. Everything's working fine for me . This is one of the killer applications on the 6K. thanks for making this available.

Anybody tried vidio call with the Zamera: CE-AG06. Unfortunately, I don't have one to test it out.

How about the other way around on the DTMF/voicemail issue? How hard is it for FWD to add the voicemail support to recognize the DTMF?
offroadgeek
QUOTE(zautrix @ Jan 4 2005, 10:06 AM)
The DTMF portrait mode problem should be fixed in KPhone/Pi 0.9.9.

0.9.9 works great, and having the DTMF work in portrait makes it that much more convenient to use (for me).

Thanks a ton!

QUOTE(xjqian @ Jan 4 2005, 09:17 PM)
Anybody tried vidio call with the Zamera: CE-AG06. Unfortunately, I don't have one to test it out.

I didn't even think of testing the CE-AG06 with kphone in a video call... I'll try that tonight.... but will I need to do a kphone to kphone call for that to work?
cvmiller
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Jan 5 2005, 09:28 AM)
QUOTE(xjqian @ Jan 4 2005, 09:17 PM)
Anybody tried vidio call with the Zamera: CE-AG06. Unfortunately, I don't have one to test it out.

I didn't even think of testing the CE-AG06 with kphone in a video call... I'll try that tonight.... but will I need to do a kphone to kphone call for that to work?

Thanks for improving an already great Application!

I wouldn't think that you would need kphone/pi to kphone/pi to do a video call. Since the codec should be independent of kphone. I was going to say call me, but I see to view the video I would need VLC installed, and I don't sad.gif

Let us know how it works! I had never thought of getting the video cam until now!

Craig...
xjqian
Anybody notices the voice mail system will automatically hang-up after about 40 sec? Or, it's just me?
cvmiller
QUOTE(xjqian @ Jan 5 2005, 09:38 PM)
Anybody notices the voice mail system will automatically hang-up after about 40 sec? Or, it's just me?

No, I can't say I have. I just left you a 60 second voice mail, and it seemed to work OK. (I hope you don't mind).

Craig...
sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com
xjqian
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Jan 6 2005, 08:13 PM)
I just left you a 60 second voice mail, and it seemed to work OK. (I hope you don't mind).

Got your message. Thanks craig. I'll try to test it again and see if any setting's wrong on my side.
cvmiller
QUOTE(zautrix @ Jan 4 2005, 07:06 AM)
Interesting thread ... ;-)
The DTMF portrait mode problem should be fixed in KPhone/Pi 0.9.9.

I also merged some changes from KPhone 4.1.0.

Please try version KPhone/Pi 0.9.9 and let me know, if everything is still working... ( because I did not test the merged changes from KPhone 4.1.0 very much).

Hi Z!

Not sure what got merged int from 4.10, and there is probably a better place to mention bugs, but I just noticed a couple of things about the "contact list" portion of kphone/pi (the 2/3rds of the bottom part of the screen).

I have noticed a problem with the Contact List, however. By making entries into the phone book, and checking "Add Identity to Contacts List" the names show up fine (although in the Description Field, not the name field).

Then by tapping and holding the stylus on the name in the "contact list" a pop up menu appears. One of the items to to call. I use that, and it dials the wrong number!

Yet the correct numbers show up in the phone book.

Also in the "contact list" there is a column of Status. It is always blank. Even when I know one of my contacts is registered with fwd and online.

Other than that, 0.99 works pretty well, and the DTMF works fine in un-rotated mode.

Thanks again for the very useful software for the Zaurus,

Craig...
cvmiller
QUOTE(cvmiller @ Jan 8 2005, 03:22 PM)
Hi Z!

Not sure what got merged int from 4.10, and there is probably a better place to mention bugs, but I just noticed a couple of things about the "contact list" portion of kphone/pi (the 2/3rds of the bottom part of the screen).

I have noticed a problem with the Contact List, however. By making entries into the phone book, and checking "Add Identity to Contacts List" the names show up fine (although in the Description Field, not the name field).

Then by tapping and holding the stylus on the name in the "contact list" a pop up menu appears. One of the items to to call. I use that, and it dials the wrong number!

Yet the correct numbers show up in the phone book.

Also in the "contact list" there is a column of Status. It is always blank. Even when I know one of my contacts is registered with fwd and online.

Other than that, 0.99 works pretty well, and the DTMF works fine in un-rotated mode.

Thanks again for the very useful software for the Zaurus,

Craig...

Z

OK, a little more info on what I am seeing.

In the Contact List, I finally did see something in the status column. So I guess that is working after all. The person I thought was registered, is in fact having registration problems.

On the dialing the wrong phone number. I can't explain it, but it is correct most of the time, and then occationally it goes wonky, and pulls up the wrong number. I haven't yet been able to figure out what I do to make it go wonky.

So I would say the first one actually works, my fault.

The second one is intermittent, and I'll keep working to see if I can figure out how to get into a repeatable failure.

Craig...
dfisher
Hi,

Anyone have trouble getting thir audio device to work with Kphone/Pi? I'm on a SL-6000 and have selected /dev/dsp as my audio device in ReadWrite mode. My MP3's and alarms already play fine through the built-in speaker, so that's not the problem. The kPhone/Pi software *does* report "dialing" and "connection"

Doug
eji
You can add my name to the list of FWD/Kphone users on the SL-6000.

546766@fwd.pulver.com

I haven't started tinkering with voice mail and other settings yet, but I did have the app up and running (FWD's echo and call tests worked fine) tonight on my home WLAN.

Thanks for the useful thread!
cvmiller
QUOTE(dfisher @ Jan 9 2005, 07:28 PM)
Hi,

Anyone have trouble getting thir audio device to work with Kphone/Pi? I'm on a SL-6000 and have selected /dev/dsp as my audio device in ReadWrite mode. My MP3's and alarms already play fine through the built-in speaker, so that's not the problem. The kPhone/Pi software *does* report "dialing" and "connection"

Doug

Doug,

I haven't looked into it yet, but I have similar problems when I am at work (not sure about their firewall), but it works just fine at home (I do know about my firewall). So it may not be your Z but instead your network.

I hope this helps,

Craig...
dping28
I just purchased a Z SL-6000L and I already have vonage, but it appears from this thread, I can not use vonage's softphone service with this device. Is this true? Just wanted to make sure. Thanks!
offroadgeek
QUOTE(dping28 @ Jan 12 2005, 01:57 PM)
I just purchased a Z SL-6000L and I already have vonage, but it appears from this thread, I can not use vonage's softphone service with this device. Is this true? Just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

It is true. I called vonage tech support to be sure, and they confirmed that they do not yet support sip based softphones... sad.gif

Check out FWD for now... at least you'll be able to see how nice the 6000 is as a voip phone.
aki
How about Voice-Pulse, anybody tried their service to connect to a regular phone line? I think offroadgeek mentioned that he was going to give it a try.
Mustang
My home and office are pretty much all wireless. I use a softphone on my PC that gateways to an * server via IAX for VoIP and PSTN services, I currently use the Firefly softphone (it supports IAX, and SIP too). The PC has a bluetooth hub and I use a Motorola earpiece. Out of the office is of course a different story. I ride a motorcycle as my primary means of transportation and the 6000 really fits that lifestyle. The 6000 is my sound system that connects to the helmet headset whiel commuting or just going somewhere. Most places that I work at have 802.11b access available for my access, so I use the 6000 extensively when onsite working. It serves all the typical functions of a unix workstation for me when I'm onsite along with a number of other functions related to my work.

The SL-6000 also serves as a unified messaging platform. Well, no, it's more accurately a unified communications platform. I use the standard applications that it came with for contacts, todos, email, etc. In addition, I have installed Pi/Kphone for VoIP service and use a Plantronics earpiece. It was a bit diffiicult at first, being used to a cellphone. However, I have found that my clients use email more now, and as a result do a MUCH better job of expressing the problem. However, they can always leave a voicemail and as soon as I'm in a hotspot I check email and messages.

I subscribe to the TMobile hotspot service, so in addition to client locations, I can always find a hotspot when I'm out and make a call, check my messages/email, etc. They sell unified messaging platforms out there and even subscription based services. However, I've not found anything that compares to it in price/performance.

SL-6000
Pi/Kphone
* Gateway Server
TMobile HotSpot Service
Kismet <-- I've neglected to mention it's purpose, shame on me

I also use pay-as-you-go minutes with several different termination providers, as I do have sometimes daily contact overseas. These services are rated on the * gateway and all my outboud calls from the 6000 use that * server as it's outbound gateway. The * server also provides local PSTN services (where DIDs currently come from).

I would like to get a BT card for the 6000 and get rid of the Plantronics headpiece in favor of the Motorola wireless one.

This is probably a bit different then most of you, as you probably drive a car and can talk on the phone easily. On the bike, once your as closer to highway speed, it's just not very useful and I prefer to pay closer attention to the road. With this in mind, my VoIP use of the 6000 works just as well as a cellphone for me. I do however still carry a cellphone for emergencies, but I have the cheapest plan I can find becasue I just don't use it anymore.

Grady
jegla932
You CAN use Vonage SoftPhone with SL-6000!

Google for "kphone vonage", first hit is:
http://brandt.kurowski.net/blog/raves/kphone.html

- Works great on my 6000 with kp/pi 0.9.8, in both Sharp and Opie 3.5.2 roms...

- I'll try kp/pi 0.9.9 soon ...

I guess Vonage doesn't want to support it, but at least they don't block it...
xjqian
just share my experience using the kphone in debian. Results are not encouraging at all.


* no matter what audio codec i chose, the info dumped in the console told me audio: G711U as output. bug?
* I have to drop size of payload to 160(20ms) to get acceptable sound. with 80 (10ms), either the call window crashing or choppy sound
* the main program windwow not very stable, crashes frequently
* Actions like swiching between windows, pull down menus, open-close are way slow. most of the time, kphone is like in frozen mode. I noticed lots of network activity going on in the consol display during the frozen moments.
* called voicemail, but it automatically shuts me down as soon as connected, voice "your login info is incorrect". leaving me out of chance to test if the DTMF works in debian.

overall, I don't think the debian 4.0.9 package is as up-to-date as the zaurus 0.9.9 ipk, neither is the performance. sad.gif I really want to check my voicemail on the go from my z

edit: the only debian skype package i found is i386 unstable.
cvmiller
QUOTE(xjqian @ Jan 18 2005, 12:47 AM)
just share my experience using the kphone in debian. Results are not encouraging at all.

* called voicemail, but it automatically shuts me down as soon as connected, voice "your login info is incorrect". leaving me out of chance to test if the DTMF works in debian.


Sorry to hear about the problems on Debian. I am quite happy with it on my standard Sharp ROM.

If you are using FWD, the DTMF won't help you on voice mail. The VM application doesn't listen to DTMF, but rather RFC2833 signaling, and kphone doesn't support this (as best as I can see).

Craig...
sip:539718@fwd.pulver.com
xjqian
I'm quite happy with the kphone on my sharp rom too. Just poking around in my debian box as i'm new to the debian world.

FYI, after some googling I found

rfc2833 (Request for Comments: 2833) is kind of a protocol/standard to send DTMF (dual-tone multifrequency) and other telephony signal. The complete document is Linked Here. Seems if we want kphone to be rfc2833 compliant, the packaging method for the audio/digital signal should be all rewritten. I want to help if anybody let me know what kphone complies to and what infomation I should get first. Not a good coder at all. So keep your expectation low.

Btw, as VOIP application is generally CPU hungry, I suspect the fast kernel running at 530 Mhz will potentially help out with the sound quality and delay issues. But... laugh.gif haven't realized any so far. This kind of comparison is hard to conduct as network status gets in the way. But in theory, it should. And this is the most prominent reason for me to flash to the fast kernel.

Update: no weird voicemail auto hang-up anymore. Seems a network problem for me.
Omicron
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Dec 31 2004, 03:02 PM)
The calls were very clear, seemed just like I was on my cell.  The person on the other end of the call said tht it was also very clear, except for a little bit of an echo when he spoke.


I think the echo your friend hears my be due to the 6000L itself. If you are using a SLED it seems to amplify the problem as the sled acts like an excho chamber. (A thin pievce of felt on the inseid of the sled should help. If you do not have a sled then I would try turning the volume down on the 6000L or use a headset (cellphone type) and see if that clears it up.

BTW, for anyone interested. I had a number of problems until I changed my connection to TCP instead of UDP (otherwise I had no audio). I also changed the STUN setting per the link offroad supplied (which I think helped as well).

Oh yeah, I also got confused (and didn't RFTM) about the USER NAME. KI/Phone tends to confuse USERNAME and SIP NUMBER at the login prompt. What it says it wants is the USER NAME, but what it expects is YOUR SIP NUMBER.

(Yeah, it is documented, but it would make life easier if the prompt made sense).
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