[quote]All those posts with emoticons put in wrong place... It hurts me. You don't know how to pass your emotions? Man... (and particularly computer scientists...) [/quote]
Please, expand on that. I don't think that I fully understand.
[quote]Miami_Bob, I looked your avatar face closely and... and... Yes master, you are right.[/quote]
Awwwww. You're just sweet talking cause I'm old & fat & green <G>.
[quote] HP LX series was real micro laptop with dos operating system. But they was also PDA because they was including all software needed for PIM, text editing, Spread Sheet, World Time, finance and a calculator... and was tiny.
What you are debating is what define a PDA.[/quote]
OK, I agree completely. A PALMTOP *can* also function as a PDA. But a PDA is *not* necessarily (or even usually, IMHO) a PALMTOP. HP also made a 200LX branch off that did not have the PIM apps. A palmtop, but not, as it came from HP, a PDA. Palmtops are general computers. PDAs are PIM specific systems (IMHO). A "lower" order of computer. Sorta like an embedded microwave controller, for example.
[quote] Is a PDA a device with build-in applications for PIM and a few other for everyday use and which are small enough to fit in your pocket? [/quote]
Depends on what else it can be made to do, I would say. But, in general, "yes".
[quote] Is a PDA is a device that doesn't execute PC X86 programs? [/quote]
Not necessarily. But a device that can run more general programs than PIM apps certainly begins to rise above mere PDA level.
[quote] Does my Psion Revo with the PC 80x186 emulator loose the PDA label because it can run most dos software (all LX software too as it was including the wall LX200 interrupts to completely eat the HP software market)? [/quote]
Yep. A PDA on steroids <G>.
[quote] I agree with you in the fact that we could use Palmtop instead of PDA when those device use a keyboard. [/quote]
Not necessarily. I have a little Radio Shack EL-6996 / 65-1219 "Personal Organizer" that someone gave me (I take in 'stray' gadgets & computer equipment) [the EL-6996 is actually made by Sharp *for* RS, BTW] that has a full QWERTY keyboard. But it is *only* a very primitive PDA (or PO) despite the fairly usable keyboard.
THEN Palm began to emerge and (almost) everyone started to forget that the Jags & Cougars were the first TRUE *full* Palmtop computers.
[quote] You see. You too you use both words. Jags & Cougars were using Mac OS or DOS? [/quote]
Sorry. Falling back on bad old habits. The HP95LX was code named Jaguar while in development and the 100/200LX were Cougars. Those names were used as affectionate shorthand on the old CIS fora.
[quote] We could say that Sharp Zaurus SL-CXX0 are Palmtop and Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00 and SL-6000 series are PDA. PIM+software but with the keyboad and a big use of the screen can make the difference. Or perhaps I'm missing something. Difficult to be decisive, isn't it? SL series have keyboard and run an operating system as powerfull as a full ARM Linux PC... [/quote]
Oh, no. I consider both types of Zaurii as full fledged "palmtops" with PDA functionality! The keyboard & screen make many uses easier for some of us, but are not essential, IMHO, to the definition of "more than *just* a 'simple' PDA".
[quote] Note: ARM device can execute Debian ARM or Netwinder Redhat 9, or ... and there're PC powered by ARM processor that are still sold nowadays. DOS is not the only full OS that worked on PDA (fortunately). So how could we call all those device? [/quote]
Actually, most PDAs that were not palmtops ran proprietary OSs, if I recall right. Nor is the processor, IMHO, a definition. Its the versatility of the machine that determines its category in my system of taxonomy.
[quote] You still love your HP LX. Me too. Mine is lays in front of me, at 1meter behind the monitor. [/quote]
The HP's were a life long dream come true for a compulsive note taker and absent minded academic lime myself. How could one ever forget a "first love" like that? <G> Almost every old LX user that I know of says the same things.
If you haven't already, pop over to:
"A question for old 95lx/100lx/200LX owners and users."
We're trying to find the best way to move the old LX database format files over to the Zaurii. Give us your opinions! <g>
[quote] If you call the Newton a PDA, don't PPC and PalmPilot break the name too? [/quote]
One of the things that I have learned to accept is that not everyone (or even MOST people) are wireheads like myself & some of my friends. One of the signs of a "mature" technology is that it has began to become simple enough for the masses to use. And that the "hobbiests" gradually tend to fade out.
Look at automobiles. Radio. So forth. So now that is happening in desktops & (more slowly) portables. Turn key, no brainer, plug'n'p(l)ay devices. My brother is an intellegent man but he would be frustrated to apoplexy by a C860.
But he loves his Palm & uses it every day. Even a bit beyond the mere PDA level since he uses Mapopolis with a GPS system and loves using his Planetarium software under the night sky.
He does NOT like Gates & Micro$oft, but he doesn't have the time or inclination (yet) to learn all it takes to get Linux up on a mission critical 24x7x365 desktop system.
There will always be more Palm users than Zaurii users. Unless Sharp sells out and dumbs down the Zaurii REALLY hard. Thats what makes *us* the alpha technoids <G>.
The best that we can really hope for (IMHO again) is that Linux can be made sufficiently "user friendly" to compete yet not totally loose the innovative hacker edge & community spirit.
And you, my friend. Thanks for the chance to bounce ideas about. It always helps me clarify in my own mind when I have to explain my odeas to someone who asks good questions! <G>
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