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Anonymous
Since SL-6000 has USB host, is that possible to attach USB DVD?
Anonymous
I was wondering the same thing. I believe it would be possible since it would just show up as a mass storage device which should already have drivers... but then again, I'm probably wrong. I intend on getting an SL-6000 when it is available and trying this as one of my first projects. I'll let you know my success/failures when it happens.

Note: It'll only show up as read-only I'm sure since reading is more of a generic thing but if it's a DVD-RW or CD-RW I don't believe it would be possible although the drive should still show up for reading. Well, it could be possible if the manufacturer released some drivers for it (hah, right) or if some developers released generic writing drivers (which I don't know is possible).
Anonymous
By the way, is it USB 2.0 or 1.1?

I'm thinking to connect USB video cam, USB TV, etc.
Anonymous
It is good if I can connect it to my pocket HDD 40GB.
I store a lot music and video there. Hope I can direct play them via USB.
vishnja
http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/...SL-6000USB.html

If I got the specification right, it's USB 2.0. Please correct me if I'm wrong ;-)
Anonymous
So only the USB devices which meet OTG compliance can be connected.
vishnja
btw.: seems that Sony will not make it as the first on the marked with USB OTG:

http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2003/01.../28/043951.html

*LOL*
sysmax
I found this note on the Philips site:

QUOTE
Note: An On-The-Go device is not limited to connection with another On-The-Go device. Since it has both USB host and USB peripheral built-in, it can become a normal USB host when a normal USB peripheral is connected; it can also become a normal USB peripheral when a USB host is connected.

http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/buse.../otg/index.html
jbruno
QUOTE
By the way, is it USB 2.0 or 1.1?

I'm thinking to connect USB video cam, USB TV,  etc.


Don't know why, but it appears they went with 1.1, according to amazon.com, which has teh 6000 coming out on March 31. If it was 2.0, I'd buy it immediately! I'd love to use my 20GB MP3 USB2.0 player as a drive for the Z!
DrWowe
The I/O bus on an embedded processor likely couldn't keep up with USB 2.0. For the same reason they use 802.11b rather than g. Anyway, all 2.0 devices are compatible with 1.1 host controllers, so there shouldn't be a problem using your drive.
arthurbrownlee
Doesn't G take more power than B? they are both compatible anyway
Netmonger
Im a bit confused - is it possible to plug a camera directly into the zaurus somehow? I see that cable at http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus allows you to plug the zaurus into a USB port - just like my camera does, but is there a way to bridge the two together without having a PC in the middle? Would a USB hub do the trick? Or is there way to plug the camera directly into the zaurus?
richmitc
I plugged my Magicvision USB camera into the Z using the cable being discussed in the "USB Cable" topic. The Z "saw" it as shown in dmesg. Unfortunately, no active driver. That doesn't shock me as I don't believe this camera works even under Red Hat. Maybe you will have better fortune.
mjj
QUOTE
http://www.serialio.com/info/zaurus/notes/SL-6000USB.html

If I got the specification right, it's USB 2.0. Please correct me if I'm wrong  ;-)


I think you might be wrong... :-) Or rather that page on serialio.com is wrong.

According to this:

http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelDeta...1,1255-,00.html

the connector at the bottom of the Zaurus SL-6000 is a "USB 1.1 host connector (mini type A)".

I believe the dock has a mini-B connector which means it looks like a peripheral and must plug into a host (like a PC - which makes sense).

I will send email to serialio.com to inform them that their diagram is wrong (i.e. its *NOT* USB OTG).

Unless it is me that is wrong ... oh never mind :-) Cheers!

Murray...
lwong
Just received my Archos ArkDisk 20G HDD tonight. Plugged into Z, mount /dev/sda1 and viola.... 20G of storage without external power!!!

First snag I hit is when I try to back up my 256M SD into the drive(by cp -R) and it hanged the Z. Don;t want to ocerload the Z, I hooked up the hard drive to my PC and copy the disk through a card reader. It gave me a lot of errors and keeps on crashing. So the culprit might be the crappy 256M Sandisk SD card I have instead of HDD.

So the disk is still awaitng further test but I am very encouraged by what I saw tonight.

FW
slocaus
Do you have a URL for it?
Googled:
Your search - Archos ArkDisk 20G HDD - did not match any documents.
stupkid
From my searching I think that this is referred device:

http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500455.html

Is that it? Are you using a USB CF card to connect the drive?
lwong
The Archos 20G HDD is avaible at lot of places, newegg.com, amazon.com etc. I bought mine @ compuplus becasue newegg is currently out of stock till next week. Compuplus is cheapest anyway @$151 but you have to pay $14.95 for 2nd day shipping. In the end, it was still worth it because I ordered on Wednesday night and it arrived Friday morning. BTW, no affiliation to any of the above.

I am attching the HDD directly to the USB port of SL6000. Z recognize it right away. The cable I used is something I got from Staples which was discussed in other threads before.

Archos advertised the foot print of the HDD is smaller than a floppy drive. It'snot till I saw it in person that I realized how small it is. Imagine two to three floppy disk stacked on top of each other and it's smaller than that.

I want to test to see if I can watch a Mepg-2 movie from it directly. If it's successful, I don;t have to go through the lengthly process of converting movies to avi again.

FW
lwong
Quick update before I have to go out:

MP3 and MPEG-4 avis works directly from the HD. catch: neither Sharp mediaplayer nor Dr Z Video player search for items in /mnt/usbstorage. So I have to go to document tab and click on the files so their default applications will open them.

MP3 sounds no different playingf from SD. I detect a slight slow down on avi payback compared with my 512 SD. Then I tried a 720x480 30fps mpeg-2 and it was really bad as expected. I highly doubt if the processor can play that kind of video even from internal memory. I will need to convert some mpeg-2 to 320x240 @15fps to see it will work.

FW
Stubear
Create a symlink in /home/zaurus/Documents to /mnt/usbstorage - that way your media players acn find the stuff

Stu
edo
Hey lwong,

Zaurus --> USB Hard Drive = nice!

Regarding your Sandisk SD card errors..... I have had similar errors with my Zaurus SL5500 and Sandisk 512Mb SD card. After many tests and trials I've decided my Sandisk drive suffers incompatibilities with the Zaurus, and I've returned to using my well-behaved PNY 256Mb SD card. I'll be changing the Sandisk card for something else 'that works!'

Regards,
Edo

____________________
SL-5500, Sharp 3.10 ROM
256Mb PNY SD card (ext2 + fat16 format)
Linksys WCF12 Wireless card,
Rikaline GPS-6021-X6 compactflash card

SL-5500, OpenZaurus 3.2 ROM
Ambicom WL1100C-CF 802.11b wireless card
OEM-branded 128Mb MMC card (ext2 format)

512Mb Sandisk CF card (fat16 format)
Ethereal
Just another data point, but I have used SanDisk SD cards (both of Chinese manufacture) of 256 and 512 sizes, in both vfat and ext2 formats, in two different Zaurii without difficulty.

lwong, nice writeup of this cool new Z add-on!
dfb
QUOTE
Just another data point, but I have used SanDisk SD cards (both of Chinese manufacture) of 256 and 512 sizes, in both vfat and ext2 formats, in two different Zaurii without difficulty.


I just got some SanDisk 256MB cards and formatted them for the ext2 filesystem (fdisk type "83" Linux, mkfs /dev/mmcda1) for my two SL6000s as per the instructions on http://docs.zaurus.com/. Everything looked good, but after a while, I started getting flaky messages when I did "ls" on /mnt/card. This happened after I started filling up the filesystem, so I'm guessing the formatting screwed up and made some necessary metadata a writable part of the filesystem, and as I filled it up I started clobbering the metadata. Now nothing seems to work. I tried using my digital camera to reformat to FAT16 format, but it now thinks my 256MB card has 3.6MB.

Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.
nevarrie
so how is the battery life with the drive pluged in?
CoreyC
I'd like to hear some experiences owners have had with the CF host adapter and this USB drive. I'd like to have one of these to install gentoo for zaurus on, instead of running it over NFS like I am doing now.
lwong
I haven't really tried out the battery life with the drive attached at full times yet but casual use should not drain the batteries too badly.

FW
Jakob
So the Arkdisk with 40 GB storage does also work with the Zaurus!?
lwong
QUOTE(Jakob @ Jul 4 2004, 07:47 AM)
So the Arkdisk with 40 GB storage does also work with the Zaurus!?

Haven't tried it myself. I suspect the 40G one will require just a bit more power to start up. With the size of the Arcdisk, IMHO, I would rather carry two then to risk of the bigger one doesn;t work.

FW
Jakob
Is correct, sounds plausible. But the 20-GB-Arkdisk you could recommend to me?
lwong
QUOTE(Jakob @ Jul 6 2004, 05:50 AM)
Is correct, sounds plausible. But the 20-GB-Arkdisk you could recommend to me?

Jakob,

The 20G works for me just and I was very glad I bought it. Again, no affiliation to the manufacturer nor the merchant :-)

FW
stevevw
lwong,

In using the Archos 20GB HDD do you use it without any external power? I plug mine in and dmesg complains of errors saying that maybe i have a bad cable. If it plug it into a powered hub then I am able to use it without problems.

This drive isn't much use as a portable media if I have to have external power for it all the time.
mitchrl
I have a 40gb Toshiba drive in a drive enclosure I bought from computer geeks for about $10. It has two usb connectors with one for power. I must either use a powered hub or plug it into an available usb port to supply sufficient power for the 6000 to properly recognize the drive.

I'm thinking about trying one of the following:

Lil Sync Battery Adaptor
Boxwave Minisync Battery Adapter

Another benefit of using this is with a usb sync cable, you can also power and charge the zaurus.

Robert
lwong
QUOTE(stevevw @ Aug 23 2004, 03:27 PM)
lwong,

In using the Archos 20GB HDD do you use it without any external power? I plug mine in and dmesg complains of errors saying that maybe i have a bad cable. If it plug it into a powered hub then I am able to use it without problems.

This drive isn't much use as a portable media if I have to have external power for it all the time.

The drive is powered purely by the Z. That's the beauty of it.

BTW, I think I saw it on sale this week in Circuit City for $149. The price is coming down...

Frank W
stevevw
I wonder if my Goldx cable is faulty not letting enough power to the hdd. I am getting a usb mini a to mini b cable and going to try that out.

I'd love it to be powered by the zaurus.
jacksonchan
For anyone who has this hard drive, I have a couple of questions because I am considering getting one. I was wondering how much it affects the battery and if it is possible to copy from a compact flash card to the hard drive. I would love to be able to copy pictures from my digital camera's compact flash card. Thanks!
akpoff
I'm doing just that this week with a 6000L and an external 10gb laptop hard drive I put into an enclosure. The enclosure/drive draw too much power for the Zaurus to power by itself so I have a power adapter I'm taking along. I'm wondering whether I could use my iPod since it has it's own power source but haven't played with it yet to see whether I can convert it to fat32 without ruining it. wink.gif

I've tried a test transfer from CF to the USB drive and it worked very well. I was then able to go to the files tab and browse it just fine and view the pictures. I'll post more about my success (or lack thereof) when I get back.

--Aaron
hubcapboy
has anyone located a source for a mini-a to mini-b cable? I have a 5gig mp3 player that I can mount from fedora, so I don't see why I shouldn't be able to use it as a hd as long as I can find a cable... (also has it's own power source)
aki
It would be great to have the capability to hook up a USB web cam. There is an active project here that does just that for Linux, with a kernel module. Perhaps one of our more capable members can take a crack at getting it working with sl-6000????
roue
Hi Folks,

Just bought the goldex usb pack and tried hooking up my Z to an iBook thinking it would recognize it as an external drive. Seems I was mistaken in that idea. Is this only a feature on the 860? There's a package on the zsi that's ported the feature over to the 5500/5600 and I've looked at that. Seems all the kernel modules are already present on my 6000, just not an obvious utility to turn it on. Am I just missing something obvious. I seem to have misplaced my manual so I'm not sure if it covers this. Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks,
roue
technojunkie
give the ported package a try, the 6000 and 5600 are similar enough that it should work.
lardman
I'm surprised there's not an option somewhere for the C6000 to act as a USB mass storage device.

Assuming it works the same way (as the other devices), you'll need to rmmod all of the usb related modules, then insmod storage_fd and the support modules.

See my last post in this thread for the script: http://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...e_fd,and,pxa_bi


Si
guylhem
I have that on the custom kernel on externe.net/zaurus/kernel, with /dev/mmcda2 special partition where I put the windows drivers (so that every time I go to some unknown computer, I start usb storage, the computer can fetch the driver and use the zaurus in usb net)

however for some reason it just kills qtopia time to time when I plug the device on the windows machine in usb-storage mode. Weird.
polito
I just bought an ez bus mini 40GB drive by Apricorn at the local Fry's electronics here in Phoenix, AZ. It uses USB 2.0 but is also USB 1.1 compatible and even boasts that it's the World's first USB-IF _certified_ usb-powered hard drive. They say you'll never need an AC adapter. I bugged the salesman about it for a few minutes and then plunked my credit card down to purchase it, telling the salesman I better not be coming back to stand in the long Fry's lines... lol. This lil' baby cost $229.99.

Anyway, the drive is tiny 4" long by 3" wide and 0.60" high. It's got a nifty short USB connector that hides right into the underside of the drive when not in use and comes with an extender as well as a nice neoprene snug-fit pouch that holds the drive. It weights only 4.3 oz.

When first connecting the drive, it is instantly recognized by the 6000L via dmesg and when mounting the drive the system sits for about 30 seconds as it figures out what to do. After that it just works. I mounted it under /usr/mnt.rom/usbstorage as vfat and I was able to view it via the File Manager.

I did a cp -R from about 40MB of files on my 4GB Hitachi Microdrive in my main CF slot (I have the expansion adapter as well so I have two CF slots) to copy the files to the external drive and that took about 3 minutes (didn't really count so good) and I opened the Calendar application which ran a little slower but still functioned while the terminal was still open doing the cp -R.

I'm happy with the drive, it's lightning-fast with USB 2.0 off of my laptop which would be great for loading data that you want accessible via the zaurus.

Manufacturer's website is listed as http://www.apricorn.com and they say they've been in business since 1983. The drive comes with a FULL 3-year parts and labor warranty which I thought was nice.

My thoughts are that since it uses a 1.8" HD (by Hitachi) that it's able to run from the USB 1.1 bus-power. I'm thinking that drives that use the traditional 2.5" laptop HD's are the ones that need USB 2.0 power which the Zaurus 6000L is unable to handle as it's got the On-The-Go (OTG 1.1) USB 1.1 port and not a USB 2.0 port.

All in all, I like it ph34r.gif Seems battery drain can happen if you do some really disk intensive stuff (like copying tons of files from a CF drive to a hard drive) but I don't think it should be too bad (especially for me since I have the expansion adapter with it's battery and ANOTHER battery which I bought, thinking the expansion adapter only had support for another battery instead of actually coming with one dohhh).

Here's a site that gives a good overall description and pictures of the 20GB version of this drive (which is cheaper, but still a little pricey):

http://www.everythingusb.com/hardware/inde...s_Mini_20GB.htm

Here's the C-Net Review of the 20GB version:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mi...7-30922055.html

Hey and what do ya know, I found the C-Net Review of the 40GB version too:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apricorn_EZ_Bus_Mi...7-30922037.html
stevevw
OH, I may have to try one of those out. If it works I'll be ebaying my archos.

Hubcapboy I purchased my mini a to mini b cable from blackbox.com. It works well.
dwchapin
I'd be interested to see someone reincarnate Toshiba's abortive "Bluetooth Pocket Server" (do a google search) idea from a couple of years ago -- one of these 5-10-20GB Toshiba HDDs with a small rechargeable battery, and Bluetooth. I think they actually marketed a batch of these, but it flopped fairly quickly. In principle it seems like a nice storage solution for a Bluetooth-equipped Z. Then you just keep the thing in your backpack and presto -- lots of available storage.

There's a rumor that Apple (or one of it's competitors) is going to build something like this into the next version of the IPod, with stereo Bluetooth wireless headphones. (Though don't hold your breath.) Obviously the throughput would not be great, but probably good enough for reading audio (though not video, which would be part of the attraction).

Anybody know of such a device? Seems like a natural extension to e.g. a digital camera (too slow to write directly, but camera could slowly migrate data from its primary storage card onto the remote HDD) but if Toshiba's experience is indicative it seems to be a product category that has already failed.
johnw
QUOTE(edo @ Jun 13 2004, 10:43 AM)
After many tests and trials I've decided my Sandisk drive suffers incompatibilities with the Zaurus, and I've returned to using my well-behaved PNY 256Mb SD card. I'll be changing the Sandisk card for something else 'that works!'


One site I found helpful was SD Card List of Doom. You will see a lot of problems with Sandisk. I have a Toshiba 512 MB SD & it works fine.
xe1yyb
how do you actually connect it the 20 gb hd to the zaurus ?, can any one post a picture
thank's

Alberto
polito
It's easy... I have an adapter to go from the regular USB A plug (i think, don't quote me on that style.. it's the regular USB plug) to a mini-a plug which is what the 6000L uses. Here's a link to my website with the pictures. I'm no photography so no wisecracks about the quality ph34r.gif

http://blackbeanie.net/zaurus_pics/20gb/
tovarish
QUOTE(polito @ Nov 20 2004, 07:40 AM)
I'm no photography so no wisecracks about the quality ph34r.gif

your desk is very cluttered wink.gif
polito
That's the coffee table... and yes, it was very messy that night. But then again I didn't care to clear it just for you. blink.gif
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