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arrakis
MY 6000 is on its way right now, and I'm looking for portable keyboards that work-

The stowaway IR keyboard is reported as working, has anyone got any experience with other IR keyboards?

Has anyone yet tested the Stowaway USB folding keyboard? This is the one I'm most interested in.
cwaig
QUOTE(arrakis @ Jun 23 2004, 01:46 PM)
MY 6000 is on its way right now, and I'm looking for portable keyboards that work-

The stowaway IR keyboard is reported as working, has anyone got any experience with other IR keyboards?

Has anyone yet tested the Stowaway USB folding keyboard? This is the one I'm most interested in.

From reports I've had, the Pocketop keyboard also works. In fact, anything that works with the SL-5x00 should also work with the SL6000.

A modified version of IRK should be able to handle USB keyboards - but I don't have a 6000, and cann't afford to buy one.....(maybe someone at Sharp wants to donate one? I doubt it - even Spencer in his heyday couldn't get Sharp to donate squat).
arrakis
Update:

the 6000 is here, and gorgeous. really nice machine.

The stowaway usb keyboard is just as good as i remember the old handspring one being.

It claims to be a standard usb keyboard and not require any special drivers.

The Z sees it, and i can type..... sort of. about half the keys work, the rest do very odd things, like the mapping is wrong.
arrakis
Another Update:


Well, I've now tested 5 usb keyboards with the zaurus, and the keymap is all messed up on all of them. i've managed to get dump/load/show keys onto the Z and can now write a keymap, but Im wondering if this is a bug, or if it is a deliberate Sharpism to prevent anything except 'special driver' devices from working.

I'm assuming bug, since no one is dumb enough to advertise usb and then deliberately make it less useful.

expect a keymap to be posted sometime.
wgp2000
Can the SL-6000L Keyboard be used in landscape mode?



Thanks
Bill
angst
Hardware keyboard. Sure. Yes. But of course its rotated 90' from the screen.

Software keyboard. Yes.
hodor
I'm using the pocketop. It works just fine except that the / key is awkwardly hidden.

-- carl
doc
I like using my PC's keyboard by running VNC.
tongue.gif
maslovsky
QUOTE(arrakis @ Jun 28 2004, 04:03 AM)
Another Update:


Well, I've now tested 5 usb keyboards with the zaurus, and the keymap is all messed up on all of them. i've managed to get dump/load/show keys onto the Z and can now write a keymap, but Im wondering if this is a bug, or if it is a deliberate Sharpism to prevent anything except 'special driver' devices from working.

I'm assuming bug, since no one is dumb enough to advertise usb and then deliberately make it less useful.

expect a keymap to be posted sometime.

USB keyboards requrire a remapped key maps inside the kernel driver (at least that's what's done for USB keyboard driver for C7x0 devices used with Ratoc USB Host CF card). Or it needs a user space program to remap keys on the fly (an updated IRK driver for example)
Daniel_n_n
QUOTE(arrakis @ Jun 28 2004, 01:03 AM)
Well, I've now tested 5 usb keyboards with the zaurus, and the keymap is all messed up on all of them. i've managed to get dump/load/show keys onto the Z and can now write a keymap, but Im wondering if this is a bug, or if it is a deliberate Sharpism to prevent anything except 'special driver' devices from working.

I'm assuming bug, since no one is dumb enough to advertise usb and then deliberately make it less useful.

expect a keymap to be posted sometime.

Which rom version are you used in your Zaurus 6000?

Which mini usb adapter are you using?

Daniel.
hubcapboy
Hi everyone, I've been watching the posts for quite a while, but have only had the z for three days now so I can actually start posting like I know what I'm talking about...

watch out for the irk driver (I used v0.10.0). I'm sure it worked perfectly for the platforms it was designed for, but when I loaded it on my Z I came across an interesting problem.

It has been noted that you need to select "5600..." in the settings to get the kb to work, but when I happened to reset while this was not selected, I had to reformat. the boot got stuck repeating the "wait 30 seconds" screen.

The Z and the pocketop came on the same day, and so the keyboard was my first priority in getting set up, so we're talking very slim probability of it being another issue. Fresh Sharp ROM, not even any other packages installed. I have reproduced the effect several times.
Siliconbug
Hi,

Just receive my 6000L, but some problems come in then. I've installed the keyboard driver from http://ifound.com/anon/

I follow these steps:
  • Turn off beam receive (ie. set to manual).
  • Select IRK as the input method
  • Configure IRK via it's settings panel
  • Turn on IRK from it's control panel
At this point, I get an error message, "Couldn't open IrDA serial Port. Either something else is using the...."

I choose SL5000/SL5500 and SL5600/SLC7xx, and I also try v0.10 and 0.11, but both of don't work. Do I miss some steps?
nevarrie
QUOTE(Siliconbug @ Oct 30 2004, 03:36 AM)
Hi,

Just receive my 6000L, but some problems come in then. I've installed the keyboard driver from http://ifound.com/anon/

I follow these steps:
  • Turn off beam receive (ie. set to manual).
  • Select IRK as the input method
  • Configure IRK via it's settings panel
  • Turn on IRK from it's control panel
At this point, I get an error message, "Couldn't open IrDA serial Port. Either something else is using the...."

I choose SL5000/SL5500 and SL5600/SLC7xx, and I also try v0.10 and 0.11, but both of don't work. Do I miss some steps?

I uses a Targus IR keyboard with my SL-6000L when ever I am using the default sharp rom(Have nto got IRK to work with OpenZaurus OPIE yet) so I can tell you that I know it will work...

Have you used the keyboard with any other devices, such as a palm device? I remember having a problem with getting one of the Targus keyboards with working with either mine or my friends Zaurus and it ending up being the keyboard was not powered on. If I remember right we just had to move the batteries around to get it working.
Siliconbug
Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't work. Please review my steps:
  • Turn off beam receive (ie. set to manual).
  • Select IRK as the input method
  • Configure IRK via it's settings panel
  • Turn on IRK from it's control panel
You can see that I even didn't open my Targus keyboard at this moment. All I did were installed the driver and clicked "on." I've tried to format the 6000L and install the driver only, but I still got the same problem, "Couldn't open IrDA serial Port. Either something else is using the...." (I use SHARP ROM v1.12)
dsavard
Siliconbug: I received my Targus IR keyboard few minutes ago. i was already having the irk-0.11.0 package installed (I did it last week) and I just try to make my Targus keyboard working and failed on the first attempt, so, I referred to YOUR instructions and it worked! The only thing I had to change was the setting from SL5000/SL5500 to SL5600/SLC7xx, Beam received was already in manual mode. And it works fine.

Maybe the IR arm on the Targus keyboard is not properly oriented? I am positionning my Z6K in vertical position and swinged the arm just beside the IR port on the left side below the power-on button of my Z6K.
Siliconbug
Do you choose "Startup IRK On"?

I think my problem isn't about the keyboard, because I don't connect SL-6000L to the keyboard or even extend/open that keyboard.

I only install the driver, set it to SL5600/SLC7xx, and click "On" (not Startup IRK ON), then I get the error message "Couldn't open IrDA serial Port. Either something else is using the...."

The only way to make the driver work is "Startup IRK On" and reboot. Is this the correct way I should do?
dsavard
My settings are Start IRK Off.

However, I remind having this message once, but I don't think I did anything except switching to IRK Off. Since then, I have no problem. I haven't seen again this message.
Siliconbug
I guess I find the answer?
    My previous procedure:
  1. Turn off beam receive (ie. set to manual).
  2. Select IRK as the input method
  3. Configure IRK via it's settings panel
  4. Turn on IRK from it's control panel
And I get "Couldn't open IrDA serial Port. Either something else is using the...."
    My current procedure:
  1. Turn off beam receive (ie. set to manual).
  2. Select IRK as the input method
  3. Configure IRK via it's settings panel
  4. Turn off IRK from it's control panel
  5. Turn on IRK from it's control panel
Once I turn it off at first, then everything goes fine. laugh.gif
ptexpress
Has anyone tried out the Thinkoutside IR keyboard with the Zaurus SL 6000? I always thought Thinkoutside made the Stowaway that Targus marketed. But on the Thinkoutside website, the Zaurus isn't listed as a device supported. Is there a driver that might work with the Thinkoutside keyboard?

Also, would an IR keyboard drain a lot of battery from the Zaurus?

Thanks in advance.
smammon
Yes, Works great with IRK version 10.1

See here for examples:
http://mammon.us/gallery/Examples

Download IRK 10.1 here:
http://mammon.us/irk-zaurus-j_0.10.1_arm.ipk
ptexpress
That was really helpful. Thanks!
rmako
With the iRiver USB Cable, I was able to get my zippy mini-usb keyboard (EL-610) working with my SL-6000l. Just plugged it in and it worked. The backlight on the keyboard even worked (though I turned it off to save battery on the Z).

A bit large for a portable solution but cheap enough to stash one at work and another at home.

Newegg link: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-128-016&depa=0

Bob Makowsky
vputz
On this subject...

I have the iRiver connector and a USB keyboard hooked up, and I am among the legion of folks who can't get the keymap right. Since the USB hosting is one of the big draws for this thing, remapping the keys is becoming Very Important. Any ideas you may have would be appreciated! Is load/show/dumpkeys the "approved solution"?

-->VPutz
MrCool80s
I have tried this:

GrandTec Virtually Indestructable Keyboard (VIK)

It seemed perfect, but the keys require very accurate precision--hitting 1/2 off or on the corner won't cut it. With practice, I'm down to 2-3 errors per sentence...but it is still too much of a hassle.

Bob: I like your option, but I'm looking for something smaller, maybe I'll have to settle. It would fit in my bookbag, anyway. What are the overall dimensions and what is the action like, a laptop keyboard?

J
timepilot84
QUOTE(vputz @ Dec 20 2004, 04:57 AM)
On this subject...

I have the iRiver connector and a USB keyboard hooked up, and I am among the legion of folks who can't get the keymap right.  Since the USB hosting is one of the big draws for this thing, remapping the keys is becoming Very Important.  Any ideas you may have would be appreciated!  Is load/show/dumpkeys the "approved solution"?

-->VPutz


I was having the teouble with the keymaps until I flashed my SL-6000L with the 1.12 ROM from Sharp. Now I'm able to use any USB keyboard without any trouble. The only issue I have now is that the ESC key doesn't seem to work in console.
mitchrl
Here is a nice keyboard that I purchased off of Ebay for just under $27 w/shipping:

PSK-3100U

It's about 8 3/4" x 4 1/8" and about 1/2 " at its thickest. My 6000 recognized it instantly when I plugged it into the usb port. Interestingly enough, QT has already mapped some of the function keys to various actions (various PIMs, rotation, start voice recording, etc).
Robert
Chazz
I'm in the market for a wireless keyboard and really like the, Think Outside Stowaway Wireless IR Keyboard, the only problem is that I dont know how to make it work for the zaurus. Please HELP!
bakkeo
I think Think Outside Stowaway Wireless IR Keyboard is same product as PalmOne's Palm Wireless Keyboard.
You can download the driver from Craig's web site:
http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zauru...ex.php#CONTENTS
I tried to add support for that keyboard to Craig's IRK 0.11:
http://www.geocities.jp/bakkeo2004/irk-zau....1f_arm.ipk.bin
(Remove "bin" extention before installation.)
bluedevils
With USB keyboards like the zippy and the psk, how would you set this system up? Do you prop the Z with something behind it? Would you be able to use it on your lap? What are the logistics of having two separate items as opposed to the IR keyboards that attach to the Z (or vice versa)?
rmako
I set my Z on the side behind the keyboard on a table and type like that. Would be a bit nicer to have it at a slight angle for easier viewing.

I am at work now but the zippy measurements should be on the NewEgg product info page. It is a small keyboard but works well. I find that I have to adjust myself to it but I use it about half the time for my desktop (I pull the USB when I take it on the road.)

Again not the most compact solution but i had it already and it works well.

Bob Makowsky
scheck.r
Hi bakkeo,

I have the thinkoutside IR keyboard and it works great on my 6000 using drivers located here at http://mammon.us/irk-zaurus-j_0.10.1_arm.ipk

Enjoy
gdog
QUOTE(mitchrl @ Dec 24 2004, 11:43 AM)
Here is a nice keyboard that I purchased off of Ebay for just under $27 w/shipping:

PSK-3100U

It's about 8 3/4" x 4 1/8" and about 1/2 " at its thickest. My 6000 recognized it instantly when I plugged it into the usb port. Interestingly enough, QT has already mapped some of the function keys to various actions (various PIMs, rotation, start voice recording, etc).
Robert

Robert,

I'm interested in picking one of these up, but can you tell me if the keys map out correctly? I've found when I use an HP USB keyboard I have that many of the keys either are not mapped correctly, or do not produce anything at all. Have you tried all of the keys on the 3100U?

Thanks,

gdog
bluedevils
rmako,

I bought one of these zippy minis and it should be coming soon. Do you have an idea of how much power the illumination draws? I ask because I'm considering the expasion sleeve or a battery extender for extra power. I think this will be great for typing in bed at night.
mitchrl
QUOTE(gdog @ Jan 3 2005, 06:49 PM)
I'm interested in picking one of these up, but can you tell me if the keys map out correctly? I've found when I use an HP USB keyboard I have that many of the keys either are not mapped correctly, or do not produce anything at all. Have you tried all of the keys on the 3100U?

Thanks,

gdog

I don't think you will have much luck finding a keyboard that will map the way you think it should. AFAICT, mapping is dependent on the kernel and QT on the 6000.

However, I took a look at the code for usbkbd.o, which I think is the usb keyboard input module that is loaded when the usb hotplug identifies that a usb keyboard has been plugged in.

There is a keycode matrix that is specific to the tosa (6000) architecture when usbkbd.c is compiled. I swapped the codes for the standard one and did a modules make. I copied the new usbkbd.o to my zaurus (I renamed the old one first) and plugged in the keyboard.

This did change the keys. For example, instead of "F1" toggling the backlight, the "F" key is now the backlight toggle.

Interesting enough, by unloading the modules usbkbd and hid, and then loading the original usbkbd (different name tho) and reloading hid, I was able to return to the original keyboard mapping.

I'm going to play with the scancodes and see if I can come up with a mapping that is workable with this keyboard. I'll let you know how it goes.
Robert
vputz
That's some good news there. Are you using the OE system and patching files or just have the toolchain working elsewhere? I'd love to get this working, particularly if it's just a reloadable kernel module (ie no reflash), as would many 6k users.

-->VPutz
nilch
has anyone located a FOLDABLE USB keyboard like the pockettop
which is nice and easy to carry in your coat pocket with the zaurus ?

Plus I have been on the lookout for the PSK keyboard (which seems the smallest of them all) on Ebay, but tough luck as of now - nothing on ebay.
bluedevils
Just to let you guys know that the zippy is awsome for typing in the dark. Most of the normal alphamuneric characters map properly, but it is the symbolic characters that map closer to the 6000's thumboard. Hitting f11 is the same as the fn on the thumboard. Plugging in the keyboard does not require any reboots. It just works. I didn't notice much more power drawn with the keyboard illuminated, but then again wifi was on. Maybe I'll experiment again tonight with wifi off.
rmako
Agree with comments about the Zippy. It works well right out of the box and the lighted keys are great for night use. I have not tried every keymapping but for just email, webstuff, and taking notes at work it runs fine.

As long as what text I type winds up on screen I am happy.

Typing this with a Zippy on my 6000l!

Bob Makowsky
gdog
QUOTE(scheck.r @ Dec 29 2004, 08:17 PM)
Hi bakkeo,

I have the thinkoutside IR keyboard and it works great on my 6000 using drivers located here at http://mammon.us/irk-zaurus-j_0.10.1_arm.ipk

Enjoy

But do ALL of the keys map out correctly?

Thanks,

gdog
the_oak
One more vote for Pocketop IR keyboard. Got mine off eBay. It arrived today, and works great. No key mapping problems. I don't see a "tab" key though....
Other than that, I like it very much!
scheck.r
Hi gdog,

QUOTE
But do ALL of the keys map out correctly?


Most of the keys are working (letters, numbers, arrows).
Some specific functions don't.

I will post a list of what is not working on mine.
scheck.r
Here is a list of what is working or not for me on the 6000

Unshifted: everything works
(all letters and ponctuations)
shifted: everything works
(numbers and other ponctuations)
left, right arrows -> select caracter after caracter
Fn blue: evrything works (all shortcut keys opening PIM apps)
Apps changes from one tab to another
not working: with L ; z x c v b n m , .
Fn green: everything works (many other symbols)
not working: ; , . which are the currency symbols
arrows for page up and down
Ctrl: work: a -> select all
z -> undo
x,c,v -> cut,copy,paste
e -> goes to the end of the line
left, right arrows -> moves word by word
cmd:work: q -> zoom out
w -> zoom in
L -> opens unicode window
c -> takes a screenshot
b -> opens sharp email client
alt: works the same as F10 in windows
crtl + shift:
e -> select from the pointer to the end of the line
left, right arrows -> select word by word

This is using IRK 0.10.1, I didn't try IRK 0.11

I am very statisfied so far
cosmos7
mitch could you post your module?
nilch
The PSK-3100U USB keyboard works beautifully on the Zaurus 6000.

Its in fact much smaller than what I had thought (seeing the pictures)
(so much that I was expecting the delivery at my door (expecting a largish package), but then saw that the postman had stuffed it along with the regular junk paper mail in my little hole of a mail box).

Length wise its just a little longer than the 6000 itself, so I can easily carry it in my carry bag with the Zaurus. Its the same size in length as the MicroInnovation IR foldable keyboard (opened up) and a bit broader but thinner and very sleek. The keys tactile feel is pretty good - resistive and soft.

Haven't had any problems with unmapped keys or whatever till now (in my short test).
BTW - got it from ebay for $24 with shipping.

Edit : There are some keys which are not mapped - like the @ sign - alwaus useful when doing emails and the open and close brackets '(' , ')' are mapped wrongly to the previous keys and so an.

Click to view attachment
RobbH
QUOTE(nilch @ Jan 21 2005, 02:40 PM)
....
Edit : There are some keys which are not mapped - like the @ sign - alwaus useful when doing emails and the open and close brackets '(' , ')'  are mapped wrongly to the previous keys and so an.
*


Judging from other reports and my experience, this seems to be SOP with unmodified Sharp roms. Letters and numbers map correctly, but some punctuation marks and other symbols do not.

I've put together a configuration .xml file for Keyhelper that, as far as I can tell, deals with the major issues, at least for users of US English keyboards. It is attached, and should be renamed "keyhelper.xml". I've only tested it with two keyboards. All marks and symbols seemed to be in the right place, except the pipe symbol and backslash. The Z does not recognize that key, so those symbols are mapped to the quote/apostrophe key, activated by shift/control, and shift alone, respectively.

More information on Keyhelper can be found in the ZUG How-To documents, under General/Applications.

I have NOT tested what happens if you try to use the internal keyboard with this mapping enabled.

I am very much a newbie here, so corrections are welcome!
pieman
I've been interested in this for a while



Handykey Twiddler
not a conventional folder, and I've not tried it, but a usb chording keyboard and trackpoint mouse in one. Slower than querty touch typing, but small, one piece, keyboard and mouse in one, through one usb port, Linux compatible, (it says), and, the usp for me is being totally mobile - one handed operation and free of needing a desktop type surface - you could type walking around.

Anyone got experience of actually using one?
ceffyl
Folding USB Keyboard is available from Fellowes.

Haven't tried it, but am curious about it.

What do you use for a cradle to hold the Z while you type?
nilch
You had to tell me after I bought my USB keyboard (PSK-3100U) ? rolleyes.gif

But $70 for a USB keyboard was too much anyways. My PSK keyboard seems pretty small and while I cant carry in the coat pocket, I can stow it away in my carry bag (where I take my Zaurus too).

I had a previous IR keyboard (the pockettop), so now I use the cradle from that to use to prop up my Z while I use the newer USB keyboard on it. (see my previous post Pic).

Only thing is it can only prop up landscape wise (which is how I want it when typing with an external keyboard usually) and not portrait wise because of the all the wires plugging in at the bottom.
celtron
I'm writing now on a Jetion AL-2199 (made in China) keyboard. Most keys on the Debian and Qt are mapped correctly except for a couple of the function keys.

The size of the Jetion keybd is almost the same as the PSK-3100U or just sloghtly smaller once placed on landscape mode for a Z6K (like it was mentioned, the USB port is unfortunately at the bottom).

The Jetion costs me SGD 18 bucks at the Challenger superstore in Funan Center, SG.

Well, without a doubt, the Fellowes foldable keyboard looks really cool. But at USD 70 bucks...hmmm....
mimsmall
Has anyone tried this keyboard. It's made for the 6000.

http://www.man-machine.com/FX100%20Zaurus.htm
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