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dhns
This thread is to allow for (additional) feedback as we are really interested in your opinion and experiences for further improvements.

Many thanks,
hns
slocaus
Happy with my KDE look and KDE Pims thanks to KO/Pi & KA/Pi!
amrein
I don't know why but myPDA-Zaurus-Edition main web page gives me the impression of Windows/Mac prison so I haven't test it.
Stubear
Tried it, it installed without errors, then refused to boot cleanly after 30 minutes I gave up and reflashed my rom cause thhe whole sytem was screwed up

Stu
dhns
QUOTE(Stubear @ Jun 29 2004, 12:06 AM)
Tried it, it installed without errors, then refused to boot cleanly after 30 minutes I gave up and reflashed my rom cause thhe whole sytem was screwed up

Oh - did you really have to reflash? And a hard-reset was not sufficient?
That would be a serious issue we have to adress with high priority.

Which kernel and Zaurus model did you use?

-- hns
dhns
QUOTE(amrein @ Jun 28 2004, 11:52 PM)
impression of Windows/Mac prison

What do you exactly mean with that? Style? Layout? Fonts? Colors? Wordings?

And what changes would you expect to feel "freedom"?

-- hns
dhns
QUOTE(slocaus @ Jun 28 2004, 11:45 PM)
Happy with my KDE look and KDE Pims thanks to KO/Pi & KA/Pi!

I am a little confused: Is KA/PI already available for the Z?

http://www.pi-sync.net tells:
The current state is: Just started to make it platform-independent.
Estimation of availability: End of 2004

-- hns
amrein
QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 29 2004, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE(amrein @ Jun 28 2004, 11:52 PM)
impression of Windows/Mac prison

What do you exactly mean with that? Style? Layout? Fonts? Colors? Wordings?

And what changes would you expect to feel "freedom"?

-- hns


This is the kind of thing not always very easy to understand for me without thinking a lot. I will try to explain.

Part of it is due to Style Layout Fonts Colors and Wordings. Another part if because the site doesn't give me the impression that it's open source. Sreenshots don't give me the feeling like doing the install. Last but not least, I had the feeling that if I use it, I could fall into troubles.

The wordings give me the impression that this project try to catch me like a fish.

It's just what I feel when looking the site. It's suggestive. I'm not giving any suggestion to improve it thougth.
amrein
QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 29 2004, 02:27 PM)
QUOTE(slocaus @ Jun 28 2004, 11:45 PM)
Happy with my KDE look and KDE Pims thanks to KO/Pi & KA/Pi!

I am a little confused: Is KA/PI already available for the Z?

http://www.pi-sync.net tells:
The current state is: Just started to make it platform-independent.
Estimation of availability: End of 2004

-- hns

Yes, since one or two weeks I think.
slocaus
QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 29 2004, 05:27 AM)
QUOTE(slocaus @ Jun 28 2004, 11:45 PM)
Happy with my KDE look and KDE Pims thanks to KO/Pi & KA/Pi!

I am a little confused: Is KA/PI already available for the Z?

http://www.pi-sync.net tells:
The current state is: Just started to make it platform-independent.
Estimation of availability: End of 2004

-- hns

Yes. Alpha 1.9.0 and now 1.9.1 is available.
http://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...wtopic=5036&hl=
dhns
QUOTE(amrein @ Jun 29 2004, 08:16 PM)
This is the kind of thing not always very easy to understand for me without thinking a lot. I will try to explain.

Amrein,
many thanks for these open comments. We will think about it as we want do create something which is really useful and exciting and not something suggestively great...

-- hns
amrein
Ok. I have transformed your last sentence to be nicer:

Many thanks for these open comments. We will think about it as we want do create something which is really useful and exciting. Perhaps the web site need improvement. We will do our best to improve it in order to show how great this project is...


In France we have this set phrase: "On attrape pas des mouches avec du vinaigre".
It should translate like this: "You can't catch fly with vinegar".
padishah_emperor
QUOTE(amrein @ Jun 29 2004, 11:55 PM)
Ok. I have transformed your last sentence to be nicer:

Many thanks for these open comments. We will think about it as we want do create something which is really useful and exciting. Perhaps the web site need improvement. We will do our best to improve it in order to show how great this project is...


In France we have this set phrase: "On attrape pas des mouches avec du vinaigre".
It should translate like this: "You can't catch fly with vinegar".

I don't think he was being rude Amrein, but I think you are.

We too have a saying: You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

You should be more careful with your words as not to cause potential offence through sarcasm.



dhns, I have no requirement for this software, but I'd be interested to test it on my C860 and I appreciate the project's goals and intentions from an academic point of view, kudos to you. biggrin.gif
Stubear
QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 29 2004, 09:45 PM)
Oh - did you really have to reflash? And a hard-reset was not sufficient?
That would be a serious issue we have to adress with high priority.

Which kernel and Zaurus model did you use?

-- hns

I was using special kernel v14a (currently using v15) from http://tetsu.homelinux.org/zaurus/kernel/ with a C760. Other than the kerenel and removal of the qm files to give English menus it pretty much a stock C760. Although I have been installing/removing a lot of packages recently while testing.

The package installed without error but when I rebooted it crashed, rebooted hung again at the gui. Was able to ssh into the machine and remove the package but qtopia would not start again even after reboot.

When I get some time to tinker I'll try again and take note of the error messages

Stu
dhns
The questions/responses have not been meant to be rude in any way. I am just honestly interested in your opinions how to improve it.

-- dhns
dhns
QUOTE(Stubear @ Jun 30 2004, 04:41 AM)
I was using special kernel v14a (currently using v15) from http://tetsu.homelinux.org/zaurus/kernel/ with a C760.
The package installed without error but when I rebooted it crashed, rebooted hung again at the gui. Was able to ssh into the machine and remove the package but qtopia would not start again even after reboot.
When I get some time to tinker I'll try again and take note of the error messages

That is really unexpected.

We do not touch the Qtopia file system or any of the standard libraries. What we do is to add a /home/myPDA file hierarchy and add the launcher Application to /home/QtPalmtop/bin.

The launch procedure is a shell script (/home/QtPalmtop/bin/myPDA.sh) which does the following:

1. telinit 2 to shutdown Qtopia
2. launch the Xserver (from x11zaurus)
3. launch daemons zapmd, ztsd (for the X11 touch screen), gdomap (for distributed objects)
4. launch the window manager
5. launch initial applications
6. sit there and wait for the window manager to quit
7. telinit 5 to reboot Qtopia

So I have no idea yet why the flash image could be touched. A potential source for a system crash migh come from simply using the zapmd, ztsd and x11zaurus binaries for which we have no source codes. They might do harmful things to the kernel we don't know.

One more thought: did you install to a memory card or to internal memory?

If you want to look into log files, the launch script and all applications write their stdout/stderr to /home/myPDA/Library/Logs/Console/theuser/console.log

-- dhns
amrein
QUOTE
many thanks for these open comments. We will think about it as we want do create something which is really useful and exciting and not something suggestively great...


If I have misunderstood the part in bold than I appologize.
dhns
QUOTE(Stubear @ Jun 30 2004, 04:41 AM)
QUOTE(dhns @ Jun 29 2004, 09:45 PM)
Oh - did you really have to reflash? And a hard-reset was not sufficient?
That would be a serious issue we have to adress with high priority.

Which kernel and Zaurus model did you use?

-- hns

I was using special kernel v14a (currently using v15) from http://tetsu.homelinux.org/zaurus/kernel/ with a C760. Other than the kerenel and removal of the qm files to give English menus it pretty much a stock C760. Although I have been installing/removing a lot of packages recently while testing.

The package installed without error but when I rebooted it crashed, rebooted hung again at the gui. Was able to ssh into the machine and remove the package but qtopia would not start again even after reboot.

When I get some time to tinker I'll try again and take note of the error messages

We have found one issue that might have caused that result - although it is not to blame directly on myPDA-ZED.

There is a memory leak in the GUI system of myPDA which makes the processes grow and grow until suddenly, the Zaurus runs out of memory. This has the interesting effect that the kernel throws out other (system) processes!

The result depends on which process gets thrown out. If it is a kernel daemon or a GUI part, the Zaurus simply hangs. You might be able to ssh into the Z as the sshd does use parts of the now freed up space. In that case, simply kill the myPDAwm (window manager) and the system should sync and reboot back to Qt.

If you do a (soft) reboot, the file system is not synced. So this might corrupt the file system in memory. And fsck might not be able to repair.

And if the root file system is so damaged, processes may run havoc even touching the flash image - but we have no evidence or verification that this really happened to your Zaurus.

Finally a general note we think is important on this poll/question, "our" myPDA has NOTHING to do with a different project:

* myPDA FileBrowser - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=523
* myPDA2 - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=2049
* myPDA Launcher - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=2110

Thanks again for testing and commenting

* myPDA-Zaurus-Edition - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1974

-- hns

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zmike
I tried an early version but it really didn't run well on the C860 - it seems to be targeted at the 5500/5600 or did at that time.

Does it take advantage of the 640x480 screen now on the new devices?
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