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Zuber
Hello all,

Just got an unofficial reply from our source in Japan that Sharp "may" have a new model out around end of November (Seamed quite confident).

No info on specs etc. what so ever. But if true, hopefully a bigger step up than the C760 to C860 update wink.gif

If they make this one with a Barbie Pink top (Wife called the C760 Barbie White), I'll kill them.

I should point out that when I have contacted these guys in the past following rumours, they have always dismissed them. So I reckon there is something to this one.

Besides which, not good for business telling everyone there may be a new model when you have existing stock, so not sure why I am telling you guys huh.gif

Oh, we have dropped the prices a little to compensate on the "Possible" new release. If it is Barbie pink, prices are going back up smile.gif
bluedevils
I can't wait for more details, but tell your wife that it is apple (ipod) white. I swear sharp and apple could easly turn the Z into the osx newton. I'd still put linux on it though.
kic
Interesting to hear more rumors circulate. I just got an 860 about a week and a half ago, and I was originally going to wait since it seemed quite possible there'd be a new model coming out.

Still happy with the purchase, but I may have to sell it and get whatever is new if it turns out to be compatible with everything. Provided this all happens, ya know. wink.gif
Zuber
Can't keep waiting for things, or you will never buy...

Still talking 2 months away, though I would guess expect an announcement earlier.
kahm
Well, I have a friend working in Japan right now whom I'm going to visit at the end of October. We're both big Zaurus fans (I got my 5000d directly from a Sharp VP to write an evaluation on it when I worked for the University here...) and we were planning on picking up SLC-860's. I read here about the possibility of a new unit (which If it happens to be a major upgrade should be called the Sharp SLD-900, given Sharp's SLA-300, SLB-500, SLC-700 numbering) so we decided to wait.

Well, the store we were going to get the 860s at put them on sale for ~48500 yen ($570 Canadian), so that's out the window. One of my friends Japanese co-workers is going to pick them up for us today.

My friend will be there long enough that I hold out hope that I can pick up a new model one in January.

Why another one? I'll put PDAXrom on one, Cacko on the other! happy.gif
ashikase
Just saw this on Mobile News (Japanese):

One of Sharp's exhibits at World PC Expo 2004 (Oct. 20-23) is called "ビジネスにエンターテイメントにパワーアップしたZAURUS" ("Powered-up Zaurus for business and entertainment"). No other details.

... and I was hoping they'd be releasing a new model at CEATEC next week, since I'm going to that. Doubt my boss will send me to WPC Expo this year. Oh well.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
tumnus
Sharp is going to have to pull out something special and also make it affordable and smaller (HP manage to cram a lot in a small space). Sadly, it appears that Sharp has given up on the PDA market outside of Japan.

There is intense competition in the PDA market in Europe and USA. Take a look at these VGA Pocket PC devices for example:

http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/iPAQ_hx4705.htm
http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/ASUS_A730.htm

HP and other new market entrants like ASUS are churning out high specced PDAs like there's no tomorrow and the prices seem relatively reasonable. In fact those PDAs in the links above are missing just one thing IMHO... a hardware keyboard (oh and Linux smile.gif but even then iPAQs seem to invariably get a Linux ROM eventually.) Shame I dislike the Pocket PC OS so much and well, have no money either... sad.gif
Zuber
Got a few more bits of rumour today, but got sworn to secrecy. Sorry...

All I'll say is, assuming info I am getting is accurate, it may not be quite what you expected/hoped. Some unexpected pros, some disappointments.

Information (but not the devices) should be more widely available soon.
ashikase
Zuber:

Any idea if it will be shown at CEATEC, or are they waiting for WPC Expo?

I know that it will be at WPC, but I'm hoping they'll also show it next week since I'll be there.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
Zuber
Wasn't given that info as such, but I'd guess WPC Expo.
kic
Zuber, not sure how to interpret that. biggrin.gif Suppose we'll just wait and see.

At this point, I'd be happy with a beefed up C860. Faster cpu, maybe some more ram, and I'd be fine. Built-in wifi would be nice, but I can always get a card for that.

As I play more with emulation on the thing, I'd love to see more horsepower under its hood.
loopy29
Zuber,

Just so I don't get excited about nothing. We are talking about a new clamshell model right? Just asking because I just realised that you never actually mentioned this. If this is the case, I believe any upgrade is better than none. After your comments, I am sort of no longer expecting the integrated Wifi. I guess that will be the dissapointment. But you dan't have to tell off course...

best regards,
Jan rolleyes.gif
swing
QUOTE(ashikase @ Oct 1 2004, 02:30 PM)
Any idea if it will be shown at CEATEC, or are they waiting for WPC Expo?

I know that it will be at WPC

Based on Sharp CEATEC Press Release I guess CEATEC is aimed at the personal market, and WPC Expo is based on business - hence it's looking more likely any new Zaurus will be at WPC Expo, although I guess there's always a chance someone at CEATEC has one....
ashikase
I ended up at CEATEC earlier than I expected. I took a walk around the Sharp area; they're still setting up (CEATEC officially starts tomorrow), but I didn't see any sign of anything Zaurus related. So I guess it will be WPC, afterall.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
loopy29
Hi there,

If you see anythin at all, be sure to let us know smile.gif Maybe the sharp reps are willing to talk?

regards,
Jan
ashikase
No, I didn't see anything. They didn't even have anything computer-related on display; all of their displays had to do with either cell phones or televisions (mostly televisions). I didn't bother asking anyone, either, as I figured that no one there would know anyways (being that there was nothing related on display); I also didn't bother them because everyone there (not just Sharp) was extremely busy getting ready for tomorrow.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
acpkendo
QUOTE
SL-5500: Cacko, 256mb SD


There is a Cacko ROM for the 5500? Can someone point me to a link where I can get it? All the Cacko ROM's I've seen have been for the c7x0/c8x0 series.

Cheers. . .
nathanwms
QUOTE(Zuber @ Oct 1 2004, 08:12 AM)
Got a few more bits of rumour today, but got sworn to secrecy. Sorry...

All I'll say is, assuming info I am getting is accurate, it may not be quite what you expected/hoped. Some unexpected pros, some disappointments.

Information (but not the devices) should be more widely available soon.

Zuber, I have come across some highly speculative information about the next Zaurus Clamshell and was wondering is this more close to being right than wrong. I know you were sworn to secrecy and I would never ask you to violate your oath; therefore, can you give one wink if the following specs are close and 2 winks if they are way off base?

SL-C960
Windows CE .NET 5.0 or Portable Media Center
CPU Intel PXA270 624MHz + Intel 2700G multimedia accelerator chip
128MB ROM+128MB RAM
CF&SDIO, BT+wireless LAN, a USB host
800x480 wide liquid crystal
1.8 inch HDD built-in

If this is true, it appears Sharp realizes that the handheld race is really a two horse race between PPC & Palm OS handhelds. Also, handheld devices are moving more toward multimedia (esp. video playback) and the PPC has a bit of an advantage over Palm and it has the money of Microsoft pushing it.

One wink for close, two winks for off base.
Zuber
I'm afraid I'm going to stick with no comment.

Otherwise it becomes a game of 20 questions.

Apart from anything else, I am getting the information from someone, not first hand and so only got a partial picture. Don't want to end up with egg on my face...

I hope they don't go CE though, did not hear that from anywhere, would be disappointed, since there is already the Nexio on the market for people that are interested in that.

Also, getting some "real" windows units in this week (Sony U50/U70) so looking forward to playing with those.
nathanwms
I can respect that Zuber, I had to try though. I would hate to see the Z go to Windows CE also, but if it did I would probably get one. The Z clamshell is by far the best hardware solution on the market no matter if you are looking for a handheld to replace your laptop or a personal video player. If Sharp wants to have a device on the market now that can compete with the host of PVP that have been released recently, it seems they have no choice but to go the route of Windows CE or Portable Media Center. Embedded linux is a bit behind providing video playback on par with Microsofts solutions.
Bombur
Zuber,

Better you had said nothing at all. It is absolute torture teasing us like that with snippits and table scraps.

J.
Zuber
Sorry, my plan was to "reveal all".

It is only after I posted that I got told the "Keep It Quite" clause. Anyway, it should not be a long wait till an announcement at least. Quite a bit longer to actual realease of course.
loopy29
QUOTE
SL-C960
Windows CE .NET 5.0 or Portable Media Center
CPU Intel PXA270 624MHz + Intel 2700G multimedia accelerator chip
128MB ROM+128MB RAM
CF&SDIO, BT+wireless LAN, a USB host
800x480 wide liquid crystal
1.8 inch HDD built-in


Apart from the OS that would be some mighty powerfull hardware. Seems almost too good to be true. To be honest, I do not expect this to happen, certainly not without sacrificing too much size and battery life... but I hope I am wrong. If true, I would get one no matter what OS. I am pretty sure that with hardware this attractive, a linux port will be available in the long run.

The reason I got my sl-c750 was two-fold: 1. Great hardware at the time. Still the only usable model with a built in keyboard. 2. Great OS, but the first reason was actually more important.

Jan
loopy29
I don't know what this site is all about, but I guess here is where you got the info...

http://pc5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/linux/1095683092/98-

Somewhere in the middle of the page the same specs are mentioned.
loopy29
And I guess this is the announcement of the sharp activities at wpc

http://exponet.nikkeibp.co.jp/wpc2004/exhi...WPC04-0082.html

(you have to click through)

Anyone understand this?
ashikase
QUOTE
And I guess this is the announcement of the sharp activities at wpc

http://exponet.nikkeibp.co.jp/wpc2004/exhi...WPC04-0082.html

(you have to click through)

Anyone understand this?


See my first post in this thread for a translation of the info regarding the Zaurus.

QUOTE
I don't know what this site is all about, but I guess here is where you got the info...

http://pc5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/linux/1095683092/98-

Somewhere in the middle of the page the same specs are mentioned.


This page is a part of the 2ch 'mobile' forum. I've been following this recently... everyone on the forum is as much in the dark as we are here; people are listing specs, but most of them are just 'I wants' and 'I hopes'.

Since it looks like CEATEC is a no-show, I'd say the best thing to do is forget about it for a few weeks and just wait for WPC Expo on the 20th.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
guylhem
This is a video player like the archos with the ability to also display digital tv channels, along with basics functions. But it's more a media centrer than a handheld

Link to the news and pics on http://externe.net/zaurus/ homepage
ashikase
I saw Sharp's portable digital tv receivers at CEATEC; they are part of the (poorly named) mobaHO! initiative. As can be seen on that link, Sharp isn't the only company developing this technology. Mobile tv has been kind of popular here as of late, with a lot of tv-capable cell phones having been released in the past year.

This has nothing to do with the Zaurus. A twisting screen alone does not a Zaurus make. The device isn't even a PDA (the only mention of PDA is that it can be viewed/held 'like a PDA').

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
_Psycho
This video player thing, sure has nothing to do with a 'zaurus' imo.

20th october ? Hmm we still have to wait 15 days ! Hopefully something will be annonced before smile.gif

If the 960 really come with Windows CE .NET 5.0, but has very similar hardware inside (with minor differences like the ATI chipset) and the same 'bootmenu' etc, hopefully thats would be easy enough to hack to install linux on it. (Thats how i see it).
nathanwms
QUOTE(_Psycho @ Oct 5 2004, 10:31 AM)
This video player thing, sure has nothing to do with a 'zaurus' imo.

I agree, but it does show that Sharp is moving more into the PVP arena and some if not all of these capabilities can be incorporated into the Z. It seems that PIM and note taking functionality were the primary reasons we bought handhelds and now it appears these will be secondary reasons and multimedia is now primary.

This is why I tend to think that in order for the Z to have long term viablity, Sharp must incorporate more multimedia functionality because the day of the handheld being primarily for PIM and notetaking is over.
iamasmith
Could it be that Sharp are making their second foray with WINCE - anyone remember the Mobilon ? - I would have thought that soured their taste for the M$ world.

The Zaurus is a special little unit at the moment but there have been previous Zaurii to the 5000 which had a proprietary OS so it's feasible that Sharp could decide to make the switch.

It would be particularly dissapointing for us I guess but we may be seen as niche users. So what if ?, does this become the Zaurus Linux User group ?

- Andy
nathanwms
Sharp seems most comfortable at being a hardware company. Maintaining the software side of the Zaurus is where we all seem to have complaints. If I were Sharp, I would stick with what I do best...developing cutting edge, state-of-the-art hardware and leave the software development to someone else. I believe this is the direction Sharp is headed in ... ala partnership with IBM (software), partnership w/Danger to manufacture Hiptop so they can focus on software. If Sharp continues the Zaurus line, I think it will be because they decide to adopt a leading handheld OS (like WinCE or PMC) and stick to making great hardware. If this is true, I'm sure someone will figure out how to flash it w/linux.
kahm
QUOTE(acpkendo @ Oct 4 2004, 02:26 PM)
QUOTE

SL-5500: Cacko, 256mb SD


There is a Cacko ROM for the 5500? Can someone point me to a link where I can get it? All the Cacko ROM's I've seen have been for the c7x0/c8x0 series.

Cheers. . .

Go to the downloads section. Under the Roms heading, click on Cacko. That lists all their roms, including the ones for the 5000d/5500
Zuber
Here is a link someone forwarded to me.

Just to point out, I've not actually seen the new unit. So this may just be a proto...

http://www.mogya.com/zaurus/index.php?2004...%CE%BE%F0%CA%F3

Just a reminder, don't expect it on the shelves tomorrow.
loopy29
OMG, now THAT look like a zaurus follow-up biggrin.gif And it is a CEATEC related link. So maybe there is a sharp zaurus rep at CEATEC?
rebski
OMG indeed!

The name of the image file is “New_SL-Zaurus.jpg”

Look at that screen size compared to the 860 – it fits edge to edge – and the 4 way arrows have been replaced by what looks like a cursor ring.

Oh my, oh my, please let it be so!
ashikase
A better photo has been posted; go to the following page and click on 'newsl2.JPG':
http://cgi.f28.aaacafe.ne.jp/~agepan/cgi-bin/uploader.cgi

I'd say it's definitely a Zaurus, though whether a prototype or a final design I don't know.

Can't really tell much from just a picture of course, though a few things are noticeable:
- looks like the arrow keys have been replaced with a multidirectional pad, with a button in the middle (OK?) and one to the lower left (Cancel?).
- the Home, Mail, etc. buttons are now small nub buttons.
- there appears to be a lack of a CF slot on the right side.
- it looks thicker, though that might just be because the body doesn't slope down near the hinge.

... and that's all I can see. More if I hear it.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
fpp
On this (marginally :-) better picture however it looks like the screen size is the same as before : you can see the vertical row of icons on the right side and they're quite a way off from the lid's edge...
albertr
It would be shame if Sharp didn't use a new 4" VGA screen on new SL model, wouldn't it?
-albertr
_Psycho
Think Bluetooth & Wifi & SDIO & USB Host, is a good trade off to lose the CF slot ?
Of course if they included a HD, i guess nobody would really care about the CF slot =P

As for the post before mine, i think the screen is fine. I dont mind not having a 4" screen, and 3,6" fit well in my pocket. Not to mention its probably transreflective like the 6000

Wonder if that could include CDMA/GSM/GRPS (of course its japanese so i guess no) or a GPS smile.gif Because i know there is GSM/CDMA/GPRS CF card, but i dont know any SD card with that.

WE WANT MORE INFO MORE MORE ! smile.gif
loopy29
I am pretty shure many would find it a shame to lose te CF. Personally I feel this would be a very good trade off, because I don't have any CF accesoires any more. The screen appears to be the same size as before indeed.

This was taken at CEATEC, so there must be someone there with more info...
swing
QUOTE(ashikase @ Oct 6 2004, 12:14 PM)
- there appears to be a lack of a CF slot on the right side.

I'm not so sure - there's a definite straight edge just next to the headphone socket - surely if it had the CF cover inplace the cover would be the same colour as the rest of the case - with such a low quality projected image, it's possible that its still there, just covered.
Ling
I don't know, I like the hot stick babes.... It looks a bit too much like a UX-50 for me.
Zjack
huh.gif From the two pictures, do you think it's a bit thick? or is it sitting on a docking station/expansion unit?
xiaman
if you refresh the screen the pic is built in layers the second layer is clear. the third layer add the distortion.
doesn't look like there is a cf card slot looks about same thickness.
dz
Zjack: I thought so too, but then I noticed the headphone jack there. I think it's just deceiving how large it is. Also, perhaps instead of needing the cover for the larger battery, Sharp just included it automatically?
iamasmith
OK, I think there is a CF slot, minor adjustments in GIMP reveal some extra contrast around this region... looks like a CF blank to me..
loopy29
So, I reckon there were no more revelations at ceatec? ashikase, didn't see or hear anything?

I guess the next occasion will be the WPC expo? Zuber, I know you can't give any more details, but do you perhaps know when an announcement will be made?

regards,
Jan
ashikase
loopy29:

Nope, looks like nothing came out of CEATEC other than the teaser shot.

As mentioned before, Sharp is listed as having a Zaurus display at WPC Expo 2004. The expo starts next Wednesday (20th). I don't know if there will be an official announcement before then or not.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
weasel
Damn, they should have taken a picture of that hi-res monitor right in front of them instead of that projection on the stage...it probably would have resulted in a much better picture for us to play with...hehe

I will be play with it in Gimp to see if I can reveal anything not already mentioned...
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