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runixd
I thought I'll open a new thread as new zaurus seems to be officially announced on sharp.co.jp. I gathered the specs, using online translator:
Name: Zaurus SL-C3000
OS : Linux®(Lineo uLinux)
memory : Flash memory 16MB/SDRAM 64MB (work area)
CPU : Intel® XScaleTM(PXA270 at 416MHz)
Hard disk : Approximately 4GB (User area 3.6GB of which available 2.9GB)
Screen : 640×480 dot, 3.7 type 65,536 color transmitted type system liquid crystal ( backlit)
Input : Keyboard and input board
Infrared : IrDA system (115kbps
Ports : USB port, stereo headphone
Card slot : SD card slot ×1, compact flash slot (Type II)
Power : DC3.7V, 1800mAh lithium ion charge pond, approximately 7 hours
weight : Approximately 298g
dimensions : Width 124mm, depth approximately 87mm× thickness 25mm


Available Working Extension Cards:

GSM(?): WiFi:
LAN: modem: output: memory:
  • SD
  • CF
Other:
ablakey
Mini review:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/15/linux_4gb_hdd_pda/
ashikase
Link to previous thread discussing this, for those that want to catch up:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...?showtopic=7262

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
Cyril92
And more pictures :

Here

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ashikase
A pretty good review (Japanese):
http://www.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2004/10/15/slc30002.html
(EDIT: Cyril92 beat me to the punch as I was typing...)


A few points:
- according to this article, the usb port doesn't include host functionality
- the kernel is 2.4.20
- qt is still 1.5.4
- the reviewer claims that the speed feels similar to the c860
- didn't see any mention as to what the 'mystery port' in the back is... many in the 2ch forums are wondering the same thing

I can only hope that Sharp is already working on the next model.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
sigmaX
First quick impression:

NOT GOOD !!! WHAT are they doing, launching THIS !! a year later from their last release (860) ... IF I wanted 4 gb of storage, I would definitely go for pure memory, not for a mechanincal device. Also I think that a HD by itself, 16mhz more of speed (yes, I know, processor PXA270 should have some other improvements, I hope) and a circular thingy widgety to move the cursor (or whatever) is something like a bluff.

Sorry I am a bit mad, I can't believe sharp is getting something with so lame improvements on the market ... it just should cost them so much money to launch a new product, that they would better be still on the drawing design board, doing a better engineering work, with that money than give light to this gadget.

Anyway, dont take mee too seriously ... I will continue reading all press releases and stuff to see if there is any other surprise that balances things up for this 3000 zaurus smile.gif
Foxdie
Both topics now merged.

I think this won't be worth upgrading to. It's only for those storage buffs. I would have preferred it to have built in wifi so we could sort out our own storage solutions with the CF / SD slots. Also, with the advent of 600+MHz Intel XSCALE CPU's they've really skimped on processing power AND SDRAM.

Overall it's just a minor upgrade in my eyes. I'm going to stick with my C860 (when it arrives..) and be happy with it, especially with the latest pdaXrom release smile.gif
omega
Boo!!! C860 is queen. - please let her stay queen, as mine works great!
iamasmith
QUOTE(Cyril92 @ Oct 15 2004, 12:07 PM)
And more pictures :

Here

biggrin.gif

Don't know if you noticed but Lineo have been at the Kernel again.... it seems this new device is cutting the leading edge of kernels with it's..... 2.4.20 kernel.... WHAT are those guys thinking of. RMK has already said that he isn't going to help out with ANY more 2.4 Kernels. sad.gif
tumnus
QUOTE(runixd @ Oct 15 2004, 11:16 AM)
Screen : 640×480 dot, 3.7 type 65,536 color transmitted type system liquid crystal

Uh oh. There may be translation problems, but that sounds like a transmissive screen only, like on the other clamshell models and not like the transflective screen on the 6000. Bummer sad.gif

I wonder how long it will be before HP comes out with an iPAQ clamshell that has a VGA screen, builtin in WiFi, Bluetooth, GSM, and the kitchen sink, like they are including with their usual portrait PDA models. Or perhaps they will just update The iPAQ 4350 to include a VGA screen and CF II slot. That with Familiar/OZ would be nice smile.gif

As has been pointed out, Sharp are targetting the Japenese consumer who has different wants to the US and European consumer and considering the success of the Zaurus in Japan, Sharp certainly knows their target market.

Also I guess the problem with including builtin WiFi at the moment is there are some new standards that are going to appear shortly. But I can see having a WiFi antena sticking out of the CF slot being a pain.
lardman
QUOTE
didn't see any mention as to what the 'mystery port' in the back is... many in the 2ch forums are wondering the same thing


The standard Sharp Zaurus connector? Would be a bit foolish for them to get rid of this I reckon.

My understanding was that the PXA270 could act as a USB host?: http://www.intel.com/design/embeddedpca/ap...sors/302302.htm

I agree it's a shame about the kernel.


Si
ashikase
lardman:

Most likely, it _is_ the I/O connector; the specs list both a USB port and an I/O port.

The thing is, if it's true that USB host functionality isn't included, what's the point of having both ports? There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports on the USB host issue.

- ashikase
anpachi, gifu, japan
tg
So sad to see this announcement. In my opinion Sharp missed a huge opportunity as all they really had to change on c860 to have a perfect machine was the following (not hard as they already have all the components):

1. USB host
2. Better screen to use outdoors (ie. sl-c6000) and less waiste of screen real estate
3. New processor with MMX-speedstep
4. Nice to have and probably not to hard to do would be more memory (256 would be nice) and better battery (may not be critical if the speedstep processor works as advertised)

4G hard drive is a joke at this point as soon you can buy CF or SD for under $200 (ok if they put a >20G hard drive maybe I could see the point but this just makes no sense). Any combination of built in wifi/blutooth/gps/gprs etc would also be nice but only provided it can be turned off to save power. I personally would be quite happy to just keep using add-on cards for communications.

All the pieces are there and it's so puzling that they did not realize this. Software and kernel do not matter so much as OZ and pdaXrom are maturing to the point that it's hard to imagine Sharp doing a better job anyway.
albertr
What a half-assed model. I hope HP comes up with a clamshell design soon, I just lost my last bit of faith in Sharp...
-albertr
Xumbi
Wow, lots of negative replies! I have to say that I'm impressed with this new model. Think about it, now you can have 4GB of storage to use while using a CF LAN/WiFi card. The most storage you can get right now while having an internet connection, practically, is 1GB on SD.

Yeah, not having USB host sucks, but I think it's a nice looking model.

Having said that, I wouldn't get one to replace my 750 just yet.

Did anyone else see the EA-BL11 battery here? I wonder how much better it is than the BL08, and if it would fit in the Cxx0 models...
runixd
It looks to me like Sharp is trying to target a very different audience. It has a huge dictionary, it has storage and has no features. Almost like the reason they put linux on it in the first place is to cut operating system expenses. With this new model it makes more sence why it is only offered in japan and not anywhere else.
tumnus
QUOTE(runixd @ Oct 15 2004, 03:52 PM)
Almost like the reason they put linux on it in the first place is to cut operating system expenses.

Yet it is still more expensive than most Pocket PCs, but I think production/sales volumes have more to do with this.
loopy29
Sharp was _so_ close... yet they let it slip...

Now that the announcements have sunken in I am getting more and more dissapointed.

minus:
* the device has grown
* screen isn't improved
* the finish looks toy-ish (big letdown for me)
* no USB-host
* no keyboard backlight
* no integrated comms
* hardly any speed improvements
* No java (as a java programmer, this is a bummer although it probably isn't too hard to add later.)

plus:
* 4GB HD (although some seem to disagree, I think this is an important plus)

Dissapointing. They _indeed_ better not try to release it in the rest of the world. It would be a catastrophe...

If only HP/dell/Asus would release a clamshell with twisty screen...
lardman
From: http://www.techworld.com/mobility/news/index.cfm?NewsID=2429

QUOTE
The Zaurus is also designed to work with a wide range of devices. It has an SD memory card slot, USB and irDA infrared ports and wireless LAN capability. It also has a CompactFlash card slot.


Why would you say "wireless LAN capability" and then say that it also has a CF slot?


Si
tg
QUOTE(Xumbi @ Oct 15 2004, 10:47 AM)
Wow, lots of negative replies!  I have to say that I'm impressed with this new model.  Think about it, now you can have 4GB of storage to use while using a CF LAN/WiFi card.  The most storage you can get right now while having an internet connection, practically, is 1GB on SD.

Yeah, not having USB host sucks, but I think it's a nice looking model.

Having said that, I wouldn't get one to replace my 750 just yet.

Did anyone else see the EA-BL11 battery here?  I wonder how much better it is than the BL08, and if it would fit in the Cxx0 models...

As far as hard drive, it just "feels" like SD cards of that size are around the corner (Sandidsk already has 2G if I remember correctly). But even if you accept that hard
drive makes sense how do you explain less memory? I can't believe Sharp did that unless this is really targeted to different audience (who don't want mini-laptop as well as pda in one package) - but if that's the case then why is this even a clamshell with a keyboard?
About the best I can see about this release is that at least they did not drop Linux.
lardman
QUOTE
* no USB-host


This is not confirmed, or is it? I was pretty sure that the PXA270 could act as a host, even if they've not taken advantage of this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Si
tz
I would just note that it has not been confirmed that it does not have USB host. That may be possible - just requiring a hidden config or driver, but they might not have featured that or other capability (they would have to have drivers for many things and that support might be the problem). I still don't know if it still has a serial port or not.

There still seems to be some debate on the screen.

Before we all say Sharp blew it, we should wait for the actual release and someone to take a look at what is under the hood, both in terms of hardware and the kernel, what it really does have and does not, and what can be added.
ev1l
Well, it's not much of an improvement, but at least it won't force me to drop another grand. Integrated Wifi/bluetooth + SD + CF instead of HDD + SD + CF and I would have.
Silly Sharp, using a 400mhz pa270 on a top end PDA laugh.gif
lardman
QUOTE
Silly Sharp, using a 400mhz pa270 on a top end PDA


It's be interesting to see the power consumption figures for this vs. the 600Mhz version which I saw one of the Dell Axims is using (iirc). Actually it'd also be interesting to see this PXA270 vs the PXA255 as the spec sheet claims that the power saving features are improved.


Si
_Psycho
QUOTE(lardman @ Oct 15 2004, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE
* no USB-host


This is not confirmed, or is it? I was pretty sure that the PXA270 could act as a host, even if they've not taken advantage of this. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Si

Hmm i thought i saw in a review that you can use it as a portable hard drive storage, that you can just drag and drop file from windows on your zaurus. It has to be USB host somehow. I forgot which article thought.

I wonder why they said Wireless LAN integrated too.

Its weird. I hope they will just do like 2-3 models like the c7x0
more rams, wifi BT in etc, within like 3 months thats would be nice.
technojunkie
Seeing as how I am still using a 5500 This looks to me to be a pretty fair upgrade, I am cringing though at what the price may be.

The only dissapointments for me are:
64MB RAM- I know that with SD and a hard drive there is absolutely no need for ramdisk, but I would like to see 128MB plus.(Maybe someone will provide a memory upgrade service)

Possibly no USB host - again with that kind of storage there isn't much need for that as I would have used it primarily for usb memory sticks, with a 4GB HDD tho it will likely replace my memory stick AND my 4GB usb hard drive.(provided it still does mass storage like the 860)

I would like to see built in WiFi as much as the next guy,but I'll settle for a CF WiFi card.

A VGA screen would have been awesome as I love my ebooks, but I am already in the habit of reflowing all of my books anyway.
albertr
QUOTE(tg @ Oct 15 2004, 11:23 AM)
About the best I can see about this release is that at least they did not drop Linux.

It still has 2.4 kernel. They haven;t moved up to 2.6, and since 2.4 is dead for awhile already, IMHO it's the SAME as to drop linux. I'm not even starting talking about getting their patches cleaned up and submitted into official ARM kernel tree...
-albertr
lardman
@_Psycho:

QUOTE
Hmm i thought i saw in a review that you can use it as a portable hard drive storage, that you can just drag and drop file from windows on your zaurus. It has to be USB host somehow. I forgot which article thought.


This implies that it's a USB client rather than a host; however I still reckon it'll be a host too (otherwise, as was mentioned above, why have both a usb and the Sharp IO sockets).

@albertr:

QUOTE
It still has 2.4 kernel. They haven;t moved up to 2.6, and since 2.4 is dead for awhile already, IMHO it's the SAME as to drop linux. I'm not even starting talking about getting their patches cleaned up and submitted into official ARM kernel tree...


Come help with the OZ effort to port 2.6.x, the new model will be added in to OE as soon as possible (the addition of the 6000 happened pretty quickly, though I'm not sure how far the kernel efforts have progressed).

@technojunkie:

QUOTE
64MB RAM- I know that with SD and a hard drive there is absolutely no need for ramdisk, but I would like to see 128MB plus.


Do people really need that much memory (okay, I do, but I'm not reason enough for them to change their spec, unfortunately ;-))? It would be nice occasionally, but in truth for most apps it's a waste of power (keeping the unused/cached memory refreshed).

Si
uczmeg
This is the spec I wanted from a just released, new PDA:

Powered by the Intel® XScaleTM PXA270 Processor at 624MHz
Brilliant 3.7" color TFT VGA display with 640x480 resolution
Integrated Intel® 2700G multimedia accelerator with 16MB video memory
Integrated 802.11b and BluetoothTM Wireless Technologies
Packed with 64MB SDRAM and 128MB Intel StrataFlash® ROM
Integrated CompactFlash Type II and Secure Digital / SDIO Now! / MMC card slots provide flexible expansion
VGA-Out Support with optional VGA Presentation Bundle
Removable Primary Battery with optional High Capacity Battery
3.5mm Headphone / Headset Jack for Headsets to support VoIP and voice recognition applications
Built-in microphone and speaker for easy recording on the go
USB Cradle including Battery Charging Slot
Sleek, stylish design

All available for $499 in the new Dell Axim x50v.

Okay, I'm lying, I'd want the 4" screen of the iPAQ 7400, but otherwise it looks amazing.

Cheers
Marc
amrein
When a company is happy with its sale and have no big competitors on their market their products don't evolve a lot. Why should they? They just need to "refresh" the device "image". With the harddrive inbuilt, the SL-C3000 has now all needed feature to be call mini laptop.

But for US and EU markets, there are three important missing parts:

_ Wifi - for fast internet connection (at home in many place in town or at work)

_ Bluethooth - for easy connection and exchange with other mobile device like Mobile phone, Palm, Pocket PC, other Zaurus, laptops.. or desktop hardware like standard PC, wireless router, printer... (Most device can use IrDa thought).

_ USB master - for extra device usb connection. This can't be ignored when using a Linux OS.

Bigger memory, bigger screen, better battery life are close to be in the list. They are all link up thought.
I don't talk about the OS because the only good thing for me is pdaXrom or OE.

Sharp doesn't sell clamshell Zaurus in US/EU so they don't care. Normal! If you manufacture a device only in US, would you add extra feature for a group of Japanezes asking for more componants? Even more true if your other device didn't succeed enough in this country.
jettie1767
I've had my C860 for the last 2 months. So, the only thing new is the processor and the built-in drive? It would have been a compelling pda to upgrade to if it had wifi and bluetooth built-in.
tg
QUOTE(lardman @ Oct 15 2004, 12:33 PM)
Do people really need that much memory (okay, I do, but I'm not reason enough for them to change their spec, unfortunately ;-))? It would be nice occasionally, but in truth for most apps it's a waste of power (keeping the unused/cached memory refreshed).

Si

More memory is absolutely critical. Take a look at what people in these forums are trying to do with these devices - X-windows, emulators, compiling, web servers, mysql etc. People who don't want to hack and are not addicted to keyboard as most of us unix addicts are probably don't need more memory, but they probably don't need z clamshell either. But for Z clamshell users I would think memory is more important than 4G hard drive vs 1G SD storage (assuming we agree no wifi is ok so CF slot goes to wifi card). I personally have not tried compiling on Z but that is only because I fear that compiler will complain about lack of memory for any larger builds. However, I am now totally comfortable accepting that z keyboard or screen size would not stop me from developing on it (and this is a total reversal for me as before I had c860 I could not imagine I would ever feel this way about a device so small - this was certainly my opinion even when I had sl-5500).
kopsis
QUOTE(tg @ Oct 15 2004, 10:59 AM)
More memory is absolutely critical. Take a look at what people in these forums are trying to do with these devices

People in these forums are not, and never have been, the people that Sharp is targeting with the Zaurus. What's hard for enthusiasts to realize is that the vast majority of people who buy PDAs (even high end PDAs like the Zaurus) will never install more than a handful of third party applications. A surprisingly large number (close to 1/3 according to the last survey I read) will never install any third party software.

Needless to say, if the amount of memory included in the device adequately supports the built in apps and the mainstream third party stuff (X and web servers are definitely not mainstream) then why change it? It would mean a hit in cost, possibly component lead times, and definitely power budget (RAM is a big power hog - especially when you look at sleep mode). All that with no tangible benefit for the target consumer would be very bad business strategy.

As much as I would like to see a company making a handheld specifially targeted at the "geek" market, I accepted long ago that such is not Sharp's mission. So who is Sharp targeting with the clamshell models? Not Linux hackers. The clamshell is intended as a mobile office platform for business folks. Think about the built in software suite ... Hancom Word, Hancom Sheet, Hancom Presenter, and a relatively Outlook compatible PIM suite and email client. No terminal app, no real text editor, not even a Java VM on the latest model. It may run Linux but Linux people aren't the target demographic (I wonder if they even include Qtopia Desktop any more?).

For those who Sharp wants to buy the C3000, increasing storage without changing speed or memory makes a lot of sense.
theuserdylan
I think everyone is looking at this from the wrong perspective. As an American or European and not as a Japanese. I mean Sharp doesn't bring these devices to the US for a reason. And when they design them they are not trying to satify that market. What they are trying to do is a build a device for Japanese salary man with fat wallets. Bluetooth is still almost non-existent in Japan, only a few models support it. People who don't want to browse the web from their cell phone buy special wireless cards from the cell phone providers that they can stick in their laptop or zaurus. Thus wifi support in the device isn't that essential. Sharp figures if people want wifi they'll buy a wifi card, if they want cell phone internet they'll buy one of those cards.

In terms of processor speed and ram, Sharp probably figures that with 400mhz they can get everything the average Japanese salary man needs. In terms of the screen, while larger would have been nicer it also would have changed the aspect ratio or forced the device to be even larger in width. Plus since the Japanese are used to their 2 inch cellphone screens, 3.7 inches is probably plenty. This device may or may not have USB host, so I'll save judgement on that till later.

Finally in terms of storage, Sharp is not stupid. They know that you can buy a 4GB hard drive for 200 bucks and stick it in your CF slot. But they would rather have that CF slot for Wifi. But why not just put in Wifi and leave the CF slot for storage you might ask? Well alot of people on this forum refer to the Zaurus as a mini laptop. I mean if someone said you could either have the hard drive or the wifi, I think most of you would choose the hard drive.

Plus if you look at Sharp's website note that they are toting the fact that it has a built in dictonaries. Now American's will go great a built in dictionary... But notice this is more like an encyclopedia then a dictionary. It has pictures and sound and everything. Sharp calls this a multimedia dictionary. It appears that it takes up 600+ megabytes of space on the hard drive. Now this will be a big selling point in Japan and Sharp could not have included it without the built in hard drive. Keep in mind that Japanese is a hard language and the Japanese often have to consult dictonaries when they forget a Kanji. Because of this Japanese electronic dictonaries are extremely popular in Japan. I mean there eaiser then carrying around books with thousands of pages. The value of these dictionaries is at least $250. If you bought a standalone device with these dictionaries you'd be spending $350. The Zaurus has this capability built in and it can link to the e-mails there working on.

So while this might not be a great upgrade for American users, it is for Japanese users, which is after all their target users.
tg
QUOTE(kopsis @ Oct 15 2004, 02:53 PM)
QUOTE(tg @ Oct 15 2004, 10:59 AM)
More memory is absolutely critical. Take a look at what people in these forums are trying to do with these devices

People in these forums are not, and never have been, the people that Sharp is targeting with the Zaurus. What's hard for enthusiasts to realize is that the vast majority of people who buy PDAs (even high end PDAs like the Zaurus) will never install more than a handful of third party applications. A surprisingly large number (close to 1/3 according to the last survey I read) will never install any third party software.

Needless to say, if the amount of memory included in the device adequately supports the built in apps and the mainstream third party stuff (X and web servers are definitely not mainstream) then why change it? It would mean a hit in cost, possibly component lead times, and definitely power budget (RAM is a big power hog - especially when you look at sleep mode). All that with no tangible benefit for the target consumer would be very bad business strategy.

As much as I would like to see a company making a handheld specifially targeted at the "geek" market, I accepted long ago that such is not Sharp's mission. So who is Sharp targeting with the clamshell models? Not Linux hackers. The clamshell is intended as a mobile office platform for business folks. Think about the built in software suite ... Hancom Word, Hancom Sheet, Hancom Presenter, and a relatively Outlook compatible PIM suite and email client. No terminal app, no real text editor, not even a Java VM on the latest model. It may run Linux but Linux people aren't the target demographic (I wonder if they even include Qtopia Desktop any more?).

For those who Sharp wants to buy the C3000, increasing storage without changing speed or memory makes a lot of sense.

You are right about who Sharp wants to target with these clamshells. But it is fairly obvious that the reality is such that people who are most interested are developers and geeks and not typicall pda users. So my point is that Sharp is completely misunderstanding how they could/should market this type of device to make it most successfull. People who are primarily looking into PIM and basic PDA functions are not likely to get excited about clamshell keyboard. People who buy these are power users and unix geeks so providing hardware to make it possible to run their apps/tools should be one of primary design goals. Or Sharp can just continue to muddle along the way they have been and continue to frustrate us by releasing more of expensive "almost good enough to be mini laptop but never good enough to be best pda" products. This is a niche product but Sharp does not understand who the niche is.
nathanwms
theuserdylan,

Very well said. I must admit I was definitely looking at it from my perspective and not as a Japanese consumer. However, I did have hopes that this device would have a broader appeal than it does. Maybe now we can turn our enthusiasm and support to those among us who are laboring to improve the software options available to us (Cacko, PdaXrom, OZ, etc.). There are some major strides that can be made in these areas that will make our Zaurii the envy of the PDA world.
tumnus
With regards to the HD storage, a large chunk of it is taken up with the Japanese dictionary. Sharp seems to be quite keen on these dictionaries/translators, so it must sell.

From the announcements and the fact that it supports WMA as well as mp3 etc out of the box it sounds like they are pitching it as a multimedia device too. And considering the iPods and iPod clones that have sprung up recently, it seems to me that Sharp is going after those who want a bit of a media player and a PDA all in one.

Sharp effectively pulled a Sony by withdrawing from the western markets. But who knows what will happen. PDA sales in Europe are actually on the up at the moment so there's a (very) slim chance Sharp in Europe might reconsider selling here and I would imagine or hope they'd at least put Bluetooth in it for a European model. A large drop in the would be nice too smile.gif
nianderson
QUOTE(uczmeg @ Oct 15 2004, 09:48 AM)
This is the spec I wanted from a just released, new PDA:

Powered by the Intel® XScaleTM PXA270 Processor at 624MHz
Brilliant 3.7" color TFT VGA display with 640x480 resolution
Integrated Intel® 2700G multimedia accelerator with 16MB video memory
Integrated 802.11b and BluetoothTM Wireless Technologies
Packed with 64MB SDRAM and 128MB Intel StrataFlash® ROM
Integrated CompactFlash Type II and Secure Digital / SDIO Now! / MMC card slots provide flexible expansion
VGA-Out Support with optional VGA Presentation Bundle
Removable Primary Battery with optional High Capacity Battery
3.5mm Headphone / Headset Jack for Headsets to support VoIP and voice recognition applications
Built-in microphone and speaker for easy recording on the go
USB Cradle including Battery Charging Slot
Sleek, stylish design

All available for $499 in the new Dell Axim x50v.

Okay, I'm lying, I'd want the 4" screen of the iPAQ 7400, but otherwise it looks amazing.

Cheers
Marc

where is the thumb board? to me thats a major feature of the clamshells

the storage upgrade is nice but i would rather have had another cf slot under the battery cover so you can have a 4 gb cf card "internal" then you can replace it or upgrade it as you like. and of course the integrated wifi would have been a plus but only for us here in the us market i suppose.

but if i could get all those features in clamshell id be all over it especially at that price ... but probabbly only if it ran linux.
Bombur
Target Market aside, does any one know if Sharp will have hardcore tech specs posted?

Does anyone have any poop on the Lineo version the C3K is using other than that it is using a 2.4.20 kernel? Does it support SDIO for example?

J.
lardman
QUOTE
You are right about who Sharp wants to target with these clamshells. But it is fairly obvious that the reality is such that people who are most interested are developers and geeks and not typicall pda users. So my point is that Sharp is completely misunderstanding how they could/should market this type of device to make it most successfull. People who are primarily looking into PIM and basic PDA functions are not likely to get excited about clamshell keyboard. People who buy these are power users and unix geeks so providing hardware to make it possible to run their apps/tools should be one of primary design goals.


I hate to say it, but I doubt this is true. Although the vast majority of (clam-shell) users in the Europe and the US are 'hackers' (because it requires some serious effort to obtain one for starters, they it has to be translated, etc.), I'd guess that the majority of Japanese users are not, and that they just bought a PDA like a 'normal' ;-) person would go out and buy a PocketPC machine.

Therefore it terms of revenue generation, I'd guess that they are on the right track.


Si
amrein
QUOTE(nathanwms @ Oct 15 2004, 09:23 PM)
theuserdylan,

Very well said. I must admit I was definitely looking at it from my perspective and not as a Japanese consumer. However, I did have hopes that this device would have a broader appeal than it does. Maybe now we can turn our enthusiasm and support to those among us who are laboring to improve the software options available to us (Cacko, PdaXrom, OZ, etc.). There are some major strides that can be made in these areas that will make our Zaurii the envy of the PDA world.

Yes, sure! It is definitively the way to go to support our Zaurus.
Zuber
Well, sold my personal C860, and planning to get a C3000.

I reckon I'll get one of those SD WiFi cards that is on the horizon.

This way, I have WiFi, and a free CF slot for bluetooth or other peripherals at the same time without worrying about finding storage space.

Shame they have gone back to Barbie white again...
raybert
I'm actually happy about the hard drive. I had been secretly hoping for that. My thinking is that if my Z had a large HD in it, it could replace my Archos MP3 player. smile.gif Since I tend to carry both of those around much of the time, eliminating one would be great!

So, I'm interested now in hearing more about the HD in the C3000: what kind is it and can it be upgraded to, say, 30 or 40 GB? If anyone hears anything regarding this please post what you hear.

BTW, I think some folks may have missed the point that you don't need as much flash storage if you have a HD; you install stuff to the HD instead. I'll bet they put /home on the HD. Reducing the RAM, however, is a problem. However, as someone pointed out (in a somewhat roundabout way), this may have been a design compromise to compensate for the additional power needed by the HD.

I am disappointed about the lack of built-in WiFi; my biggest complaint about my C860 is the placement of the CF slot; it makes it very hard to type. Built-in WiFi would be a great solution to this (and very convenient) with the added benefit of leaving the CF slot open for storage, etc.

Another potential solution would be to move the CF slot (of course, they didn't do that either). The problem is actually much worse with LAN and modem cards, which tend to be much bigger than WiFi cards, and built-in WiFi wouldn't solve that problem. (Luckily, I don't need to use those cards very often.)

The better (SL6000) screen and USB host would have been nice too (unlike some, I wouldn't mind a slightly larger clamshell to accomodate a bigger screen). But, these days, I guess we've got to take what we can get from Sharp. It's truly a shame that they didn't even TRY the clamshell design in the US/UK. If they had tried and failed (as with the SL series) that would be one thing; but not even trying is just stoopid, IMHO (especially when they had the existing infrastructure, that was created for the SL series, at their disposal).

Another feature that I've been secretly hoping for is an SL-style joy button that could be used when the clamshell is in its portrait configuration. There's a lot of good SW for the SL-series (games, especially) that runs fine on the clamshells in portrait mode but cannot be used effectively because of insufficient controls. There's enough wasted space around the clamshell screen that a joy button could probably be placed there pretty easily.

~ray
kopsis
QUOTE(raybert @ Oct 16 2004, 08:33 AM)
So, I'm interested now in hearing more about the HD in the C3000: what kind is it and can it be upgraded to, say, 30 or 40 GB? If anyone hears anything regarding this please post what you hear.

The HD is almost certainly a 4GB Hitachi 1" drive. We won't know if it's in the CF card packaging or standalone until someone rips a C3000 apart, but I'm betting it's a CF card. If so, there's a good chance you could upgrade it to a 5GB Seagate but that's currently as far as you can go. To get 30 or 40 GB you need to go to a 1.8" drive and it's doubtful the C3000 went that route.
markedman
any price yet
xiaman
i like the idea of a HD instead of messing with sd cards i've gone though 2 scan disk cards (now in buy kingston) and formating to ext3 is a pain.

yes what is the price and when will we be able to buy from over seas.
rokugo
Does anyone notice the extra tab in the SL3000 System Info screen?
http://www.mobilenews.ne.jp/news/2004/10/15/zau/15.gif

Its says "Device" in japanese. This is the same tab found in the SL-6000:
http://www.bargainpda.com/assets/sharp/zau...00/usb_c860.jpg

Wouldn't this indicate USB host functionality?
rgrep
QUOTE(xiaman @ Oct 17 2004, 02:08 PM)
i like the idea of a HD instead of messing with sd cards i've gone though 2 scan disk cards (now in buy kingston) and formating to ext3 is a pain.

yes what is the price and when will we be able to buy from over seas.

I agree, I would love to have a hard disk in my C760 without losing my CF wireless card. It also means you can use a swap file/partition without destroying flash memory.
Zuber
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Wouldn't this indicate USB host functionality?


I'm guessing it has USB Host, but they arn't making a song and dance about it because it doesn't actually support anything (Yet).

Has anyone got any useful functionality from the USB host on the 6000 ?

Looking throught he 6000 thread, the only thing I could spot was an Archos Hard drive...
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