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terrorphile
we really need some type of music making software for the Z
i mean theres everything for the Z except this (well there is csound but its way confusing)

the whole concept of module trackers for a long time was to use really small samples
so this would be perfect for the Z!!!!!!!
& since now theres massive storage space it gives the opportunity to be able to
use even more & higher quality sounds than before.
ive tried this past week and a half many different ways to get a good working tracker inside. but nothing has worked for me yet..........
so if anyone could or would be willing to help me i would really appreiciate this
thankyou
slapout
Have you looked into these?:

Yasump
http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1109

Ze Player
http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=256
c1t1zen
slapout,

It seems both are players and not trackers...bummer

& to Terrorphile, I'm with you on this I think a tracker would be a fun production app that could work on the Z. I'm talking about smalls samples to, within 50-200kb each.
I started a thread at:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...c=9185&hl=music

I hope to try the FunkTrackerGold listed there. I imagine if a MOD player works on the Zaurus then a tracker should as well.
zbones
QUOTE(c1t1zen @ Dec 28 2004, 07:13 AM)
slapout,

It seems both are players and not trackers...bummer

& to Terrorphile, I'm with you on this I think a tracker would be a fun production app that could work on the Z. I'm talking about smalls samples to, within 50-200kb each.
I started a thread at:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/inde...c=9185&hl=music

I hope to try the FunkTrackerGold listed there. I imagine if a MOD player works on the Zaurus then a tracker should as well.

Playing the mod is the hard part in terms of processing power etc.

After all, the first decent mod trackers were on the st and amiga and if I remember correct they only ran at 30 mhz, or so.

I guess the hard bit would be getting a usable interface to work with the small screen and stylus.

Peter
Mickeyl
As mentioned in another post, CheeseTracker sounds to be the best bet for now. It's a full fledged tracker using Qt3. A backport to Qt2 shouldn't be too hard.

Reducing the UI to work on 240x320 is another thing though, although it probably would work ok on the VGA machines.
slapout
QUOTE(zbones @ Dec 28 2004, 01:52 AM)
After all, the first decent mod trackers were on the st and amiga and if I remember correct they only ran at 30 mhz, or so.

Actually the first sts and amigas run around 7-8 mhz :-)

Another thing that might be possible is to run an st or amiga emulator and then run one of their trackers. Not to sure how well that would work though.

There's the Castaway Atari ST Emulator for the Zaurus at http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zaurus/ although work seems to have halted on it.

http://home.planet.nl/~woodl/ has a port of Hatari for pdaXrom

I think mmhart.com my have had some amiga emulator stuff, but that site has been down for a while now.
cho1ce
hey guys i was the guy that originally started this thread
i come to find something very interesting yesterday

http://dwarfhouse.linux-box.net/projects/EwokTracker/

between then and now i havent really did anything to try to get a tracker on the z again
because of my lack of programming skills

but seeing this is giving me hope that there possibly could be a tracker on the z eventually
cho1ce
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cho1ce
man this is driving me crazy whats with this?

i tried editing my post and it edited the wrong one
and then i tried quoting Slapout an it quoted MickeyL instead

ARGH!!
cho1ce
QUOTE(slapout @ Dec 28 2004, 09:52 AM)
QUOTE(zbones @ Dec 28 2004, 01:52 AM)

After all, the first decent mod trackers were on the st and amiga and if I remember correct they only ran at 30 mhz, or so.

Actually the first sts and amigas run around 7-8 mhz :-)

Another thing that might be possible is to run an st or amiga emulator and then run one of their trackers. Not to sure how well that would work though.

There's the Castaway Atari ST Emulator for the Zaurus at http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zaurus/ although work seems to have halted on it.

http://home.planet.nl/~woodl/ has a port of Hatari for pdaXrom

I think mmhart.com my have had some amiga emulator stuff, but that site has been down for a while now.
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ah i see now
its the layout

so heres what i wrote:
"yes i actually got that running and loaded a few an Atari st trackers into it but the emulator doesnt have sound"
Click to view attachment
leskimo
For simple stuff you could try Little Sound DJ in a gameboy emulator.. I played around with this a couple of months ago..

http://www.littlesounddj.com/
cho1ce
surprisingly enough i was able to get it to work !
the input methods were way to cumbersome to really be able to do anything on the zaurus but it might be a bit better on an actual gameboy. smile.gif
i am looking into seeing if the dev for the Ewok tracker might be able to help me compile it for the Z and if so i will contact the good fellow that i think did hatari and let him know, because i think he might be possibly interested in this. at least he seemed somewhat interested in the begining of the fall in doing something with a tracker for the Z.

anyhow i am really looking forward to using my Z as a musical device
even if it forces me to finally get started learning to program
danr
I've compiled Soundtracker for pdaXrom, and some other goodies as well. Laze hasn't given me a developer account yet so I can't upload them just yet...

Dan
cho1ce
QUOTE(danr @ Feb 22 2005, 04:08 AM)
I've compiled Soundtracker for pdaXrom, and some other goodies as well.  Laze hasn't given me a developer account yet so I can't upload them just yet...

Dan
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is the interface usable?
i think i may have had it working in xqt , but it was real hard to use because the gui was mainly off the screen.
raduga
I'm working on this, as well.

Though, for me, MIDI is of much greater interest; since I can play MIDI on a variety of non-computer devices as well. (midi files are smaller than MOD too, although soft synth is more cpu intensive on the Zaurus...)

With some limited success,
I've tried:

jazz
jazz++
cantor
shaketracker
tektracker
seq24
midimountain
muse
rosegarden

Cantor, MidiMountain, ShakeTracer and Muse- I can't get to build properly at all.
Most rely on ancient libraries, or compiler versions.

Jazz (old) can't build, because I can't get the (old) wxwindows library (dependency) built to begin with.

seq24 builds, runs, but bails out with segfaults soon after launch. The GUI doesn't look pretty, but may be useable, if fixed. (it also complains about missing a hardware /dev/sequencer . I'm unsure if this a fatal error, due to subsequent segfault)

Tektracker seems to freeze when opening/saving files; it's possible I may have been doing something wrong, but the gui is somewhat wonky (its using curses)

Rosegarden is bug-ugly, and too big for 640x480, much less 240x320.
It appears to be fully functional, but crashes often. Worse, the widgets are too
small to see and manipulate on a Zaurus screen...
I get the feeling it was designed for 1024x768 at 21"

Jazz++ lacks a score editor, but otherwise seems adequate to the task. The GUI is fine, on 640x480, and windows can be tamed to fit (maybe 240x320 even)
The major problem, so far unresolved, is an issue of memory alignment/endianness
when loading/saving. File opening works, with some corruption; File save simply segfaults. I've been poring over the code trying to spot the problem and fix it,
but so far haven't had much luck. If any forum lurkers have experience with
endian/alignment matters, and could shed some insight, or enlightenment, I'd love to hear from you, or work with you on this problem.

So, for MIDI, no go, this far in sad.gif
worse, most of the ones I've tried seem to be long, long out of development.

TekTracker may be viable (it requires some dependencies that aren't likely to be in your SDK- build them, or find an ipk) but I don't really use trackers. It also could have alignment issues; I really don't know.

Rosegarden is useable if you're desperate, but I found it just too annoying.

Jazz++ looks like it needs some help (maybe not too much more!)

All this in X; but ttrk doesn't need graphics, and some of the others may work in QT as well.

http://vektor.ca/audio/ttrk/
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
http://jazzplusplus.sourceforge.net/
cho1ce
dont know if your still around Raduga, but it seems the only solution currently for me doing audio is by using frodo the c64 emulator and loading a tracker into it.
i must also say it works rather well
i havent actually been able to figure out how to use it but i know it makes sound because some of the d64 soundtracking roms i tried, pumped some really loud cheesy music into my head. so as soon as i can figure out the usage and how & where to put the samples and what format i should be making tunes on the Z in no time

but figuring out the usage,formats,keys of the c64 is my main obstacle ATM until im making music
btw i made a howto for frodo on this page:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...859&#entry69859
these pages are scattered all over the forum so when i go to look i just use the search function and type tracker biggrin.gif
Jon_J
I hope nobody minds if I bring a 1 year old topic back up, but I didn't see this player/tracker mentioned.
It's multi-platform, including Linux. It's called PsyTexx.
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"PsyTexx is the cross-platform music tracker based on the XM (FastTracker eXtended Module) format. Currently it's available for a following OS: Windows, Linux (X11 and text console) and PalmOS."
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I found this program when looking for a MOD XM s3m player for my Palm. It doesn't play s3m files though. I'm pretty sure it plays only XM and MOD files. The interface is tiny on a 320x320 Palm, but probably look pretty good on a 640x480 screen. It plays these modules on my Palm with no problems, and they sound really good. There is also some extra skins for it. It can be found here:
http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/psytexx2/
Manual:
http://www.warmplace.ru/docs/psytexx2/

I have absolutely no Linux experiance, but on the manual page are some instructions for compiling this for Linux.

Is there anyone that can use this on a Zaurus?
I've enclosed a pic of the interface.

Jon
Antikx
I would use a program like this. I've spent time with Fruity Loops on the PC and have been having problems finding comparable applications for Linux. Having it on the Zaurus would be even better.
cho1ce
jeez its been awhile.

strange thing is, psytexx & milky tracker is the exact reason i'm here.

psytexx seems like it would work but the fact that the zaurus sdk requires gcc 2.95
an psytexx uses 3.5sumthin is the problem.
i wish i knew more about this. i was about to start to setup a crosscompiler to compile a binary of psytexx but i have to figure out if its not just another big waste of time.

i must have spent a few weeks worth of hours trying everything i could think of to get a tracker working good on the zaurus. i had multiple c64 trackers running but everytime the key mapping of either the tracker or frodo(c64 emu) was wrong. i had soundtracker running but the gui is way to big to be usable.
pailes
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18238

cheers
jpmatrix
what about Mtracker2 ?

http://www.geocities.jp/uirozaurus/mt2_multi.html

i haven't tried yet....
Jon_J
I'm using the untranslated page and an Amikai translated page.
The untranslated page will allow you to download the files without corruption/errors, ect.
http://www.geocities.jp/uirozaurus/mt2_multi.html

qshdlg and qtkdlg are only links to a wiki. (Where are these files?)

Using Amikai translator shows below dependencies. (Is dependencies the right word here?)
http://infoseek.amikai.com/amiweb/browser....s&c_id=infoseek
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Installation
for introducing MT2 -- first -- It is necessary to install timidity, timidity-patch, qshdlg, qtkdlg, mml2mid, gawk, nkf, and madplay.
Please refer to the following and installation.
timidity
It bites and is the page of きさん.
There are ipkg for Zaurus and fixed-point arithmetic-ized timidity development record.
timidity-patch
Mr. ogapee's page (Studio O.G.A)
There is explanation of patch installation for Zaurus.
qshdlg
qtkdlg
Mr. yakty's LinuZau ToolBox Wiki
It is the entrance of the QSHDLG development page which GUI-izes a shell script.
mml2mid
Mr. TAKA's homepage TAKA Mr. newcomer mouth
There is explanation of ipkg for Zaurus and timidity installation.
Formal page
There is a manual etc. on the page of the head family.
gawk
It is required for reading of data etc.
nkf
Mr. Tsukamoto's page It is alike and there is a package.
This is required at a character code conversion program to read a manual.
madplay
Homepage
This is required to perform .mp3.
qpe-embeddedkonsole-ja
Homepage
This is required to carry out a trace performance.
qtopia-brightnessapplet
Homepage
This is required for screen OFF. (At the time of continuation reproduction for power saving)
qpe-suspendapplet
Homepage
This is required for the suspension non-effect. (For continuation reproduction)
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I'm not going to try this one yet. I just re-flashed my Z because of an unrelated error.
There are 8 dependencies listed,
and that's not counting "qtopia-brightnessapplet" and "qpe-suspendapplet", which totals up to 10 dependencies.
This seems like a lot of "weight" to enable me to play some *.MOD and *.XM files
That's all I need a tracker for. I'd like to play my modules on my Z.
Jon
jpmatrix
QUOTE(Jon_J @ Mar 19 2006, 06:08 PM)
qshdlg and qtkdlg are only links to a wiki. (Where are these files?)



here they are:
http://tbox.jpn.org/misc/dl.cgi?file=qshdlg_0.6.2-1_arm.ipk

well it doens't seem to be too hard to install all this packages... if i can find some time i think i'd try.
Jon_J
The site listed above has a dead link to timidity-patch_1.0.1-sd_arm.ipk

"timidity-patch_1.0.1-sd_arm.ipk" is 15mb
http://ogapee.at.infoseek.co.jp/zaurus/

This file is too big to use on my C3100

Jon
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