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Laze
Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.

Among the new features are (which haven't been discussed before):
- Configuration of the right stylus/mouse button, it can be press and hold (as it is today as standard), a modifier key and stylus click.
- Better and updated X server with better rotation
- Hopefully the "big fonts" in PDA mode is fixed too.
- NTPD support
- Timezones
- Support for the CE-RH1 remote control (thanx to http://www.Trisoft.de for donating one for testing)


Futhermore we expect the pdaX86 to be released soon after too - which allows you to run the pdaXrom system on you regular pc - for developers this makes developing appliactions etc. a lot easier.

Developers: Don't worry no need to recompile anything. If you program worked under RC5 it works under RC7 too - but the new SDK adds some new features.
Also keep you pants on recompiling to many different programs - the next release will include an even wider spectrum of "precompiled" programs, like: VLC, Mplayer, Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 0.9 etc. :-)
omega
g77 toolchain or octave? :-) or :-( tell me which...

great to hear about the remote working again, thanks.
SolarX
I can't wait, I'm really looking forward to this release smile.gif
It gets better and more powerful all the time.
Randolph_Carter
man and I was thinking "I have nothing to do this weekend... what a bore" smile.gif
I mean, this is too much. I just can't wait!
----
Randolph Carter(I'm Japanese)
C760 with RC5
http://nayuta.homeunix.net/zaurus/
gretchen
I'm really looking forward to it!!
offroadgeek
wee hoo!!! I can't wait for this release...
BarryW
Will it work on the 6000's??
jerrybme
Can't wait laugh.gif

Thanks for the advance warning. Gotta hurry and get my weekend "Honey-do" list done so I've got time to play with the new release ph34r.gif

Thanks Laze & the pdaXrom team!!
alan
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 3 2004, 12:53 AM)
the next release will include an even wider spectrum of "precompiled" programs, like: VLC, Mplayer, Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 0.9 etc. :-)

whoo-hoooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on come on come on ! Guys, i LOVE you !!!!!

PS : please please please, don't remove Abiword... please please please...
PPS : will there be the (clearely indicated) possibility to modify the root partition form the installer ?
MrZaurus
QUOTE
Will it work on the 6000's??


I sure hope so
2or0
blink.gif Wow! Thanks!
Laze
Ohhh - been out drinking yesterday and therefore i haven't replyed yet..

Sorry no SL-6000 yet - but it won't be long.

Abiword is included - Gnumeric isn't preinstalled due to its huge size - but it works if you install it.

The root partion can be modified from installer - when we get the time we will rewrite many of the installer stuff and make "guides" on the following:
- Installing pdaXrom
- Setting up (GPRS) bluetooth mobile phone internet connection
- Setting up (wireless) internet connection using CF card
gretchen
You do realize how cruel it would be to make us all wait until Sunday night!!
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Laze
Yes .. but ufortantly that might be the situation - we need a lot of testing on a couple of newly added things..
Randolph_Carter
and you do realize that It's 0100 Sunday here in Japan...

just to add to the pressure, as some sort of a joke smile.gif
Christoph
QUOTE
Abiword is included - Gnumeric isn't preinstalled due to its huge size - but it works if you install it.


My experience was that gnumeric's size was because of it's large documentation.
Maybe you could make an extra package for the documentation?

Christoph
ViV
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 3 2004, 12:53 AM)
- Support for the CE-RH1 remote control

Was it implemented through xkeymouse (or similar tool) or just by keymapping? First way is more preferable, because it solves screen-should-be-off-while-Z-is-in-the-pocket problem (by writing a simple script) and doesn't need keeping input focus on xmms' window.

Now my all-time question smile.gif: will Ratoc USB Host drivers work again or it is possible only with a VFPless ROM?
alan
Those events happens betwenn Sunday 00 : 00 and 24:00
The are repported in real time.

Paris : 11:00

" - Kim ! Take care, a bad guy is behind you !!!
- Mr president, Jack is here to save the world, don't worry about this alien attack...
- Almeda asks you to shut up and to let Laze do his job..."

The countdown begins...
Laze
I haven't heard anything from Sash yet - i can't release anything before Sash says go!!!

Btw. it s 13.23 in Denmark..
offroadgeek
Laze - sash just called me on my cellphone and said "go!" smile.gif
Chrisbren
Is it out yet? I am waiting on tenterhooks for the new version with my C760 already on the update screen!
smile.gif
jerrybme
Hopefully Laze hasn't gone to bed yet and is adding the link to the new zip file as we anxiously hit the refresh key in our browsers....
wink.gif
offroadgeek
Why oh why must they torture us like this?!?!

$50 says sash completed the rom yesterday and they just want to see how anxious we get smile.gif

On a serious note, I'd like to suggest that for everyone who is axiously awaiting this new version, when you download it make a quick donation of at least $10 (or more if you can). Just to show how much we appreciate their work.
Laze
He he .. Im on my way to bed now - been a long weekend (like 10 hours of sleep) ..

But i hate to be the carrier of bad news but a series of problems has arisen, but i have taken the day of from work tomorrow and will dedicate the entire day tomorrow and night to getting the last couple of bugs sorted out - so at the latest it will be out in morning of the 7.12.2004 (CET)

I know we promised it this weekend but we wan't to make as much as possible fixed before we release and we wan't the new details to blow you away - like the ability to configure what most of the keys do and how to configure right click and middle click button - so everybody can get the perfect setup without too much hassle - so basically the next 24 hours will be spend bughunting and giving eveything the last finishing touches.

I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..

Once again i appologize on behalf of the entire pdaXrom team who are dedicated to bringing you the latest and greatest for your Zaurus :-)
DaveAnderson
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 5 2004, 09:41 PM)
He he .. Im on my way to bed now - been a long weekend (like 10 hours of sleep) ..

But i hate to be the carrier of bad news but a series of problems has arisen, but i have taken the day of from work tomorrow and will dedicate the entire day tomorrow and night to getting the last couple of bugs sorted out - so at the latest it will be out the 6.12.2005..

I know we promised it this weekend but we wan't to make as much as possible fixed before we release and we wan't the new details to blow you away - like the ability to configure what most of the keys do and how to configure right click and middle click button - so everybody can get the perfect setup without too much hassle - so basically the next 24 hours will be spend bughunting and giving eveything the last finishing touches.

I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..

Once again i appologize on behalf of the entire pdaXrom team who are dedicated to bringing you the latest and greatest for your Zaurus :-)

No need to apologize. You guys do top notch work and we are the ones who are grateful. Thanks for the great rom.
Laze
Damm Dave you beat me to the edit and even quoted the wrong date before i got it fixed :-) Anyway if you guys can live with the date that Dave quoted we can live with it too :-)

Btw. Dave did you get the flixer fixed ok?
sonicbuddha
Very excited! But not so excited that I can't wait for the new release to be "polished". Is there (or will there be) a full changelog for the updates/fixes/additions for this release? As anxious to read this as I am to play with the new rc.
*like the day before xmas*
Zumi
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 3 2004, 09:53 AM)
Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.

This is what I really hate. Don't tell me deadlines. I don't mind if you don't release it for another 2 months but don't tell me you do. Tell me when it's done.

You know that if you say "this weekend", people don't think about sunday 23:59:59...
They think "ok, then I will be able to reflash it in the weekend, I don't go out then", etc.

So, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but then don't hurt mine. It's pretty disappointing to wait for something then you always get a "later".

An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.

But don't tell untruths.
Thanks,
Zumi

EDIT: I haven't seen Laze's post, because I forgot to refresh before posting. The point stays the same: try to be a bit more precise in the releases and a bit less "user friendly" (hey, it's an RC, not a final). Zumi
Randolph_Carter
QUOTE
I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..

so we should anxiously hit the ad banners when we reload smile.gif

seriously, I agree with Zumi.
It was very nice of you to let us know about next release date, but it shouldn't tie you up like this.
QUOTE
An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.

Having a CVS would be nice, so we can live on the bleeding edge if we would like to, but it's not a strong MUST, as everyone does not have a spare C760 smile.gif
#I don't, and it's not something you can make off the shelf, like a PC.

Anyway, you guys are doing a great work.
Thank you.
offroadgeek
QUOTE(Zumi @ Dec 5 2004, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 3 2004, 09:53 AM)
Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.

This is what I really hate. Don't tell me deadlines. I don't mind if you don't release it for another 2 months but don't tell me you do. Tell me when it's done.

You know that if you say "this weekend", people don't think about sunday 23:59:59...
They think "ok, then I will be able to reflash it in the weekend, I don't go out then", etc.

So, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but then don't hurt mine. It's pretty disappointing to wait for something then you always get a "later".

An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.

But don't tell untruths.
Thanks,
Zumi

EDIT: I haven't seen Laze's post, because I forgot to refresh before posting. The point stays the same: try to be a bit more precise in the releases and a bit less "user friendly" (hey, it's an RC, not a final). Zumi

As much as I love joking with the guys and posting notes about them torturing us... I think you need a reality check.

These guys are doing all of this work as volunteers. They had high hopes of releasing it this weekend, but don't want to release crap and bugs, so they've decided to wait for a solid release.

How can your feelings get hurt from this? I actually appreciate it when they give 'estimates' for a release date.

If you were actually paying sash for his full time work on the pdaxrom project, then that would be another story...
ikm
QUOTE(offroadgeek @ Dec 5 2004, 03:05 PM)
As much as I love joking with the guys and posting notes about them torturing us... I think you need a reality check.

These guys are doing all of this work as volunteers.  They had high hopes of releasing it this weekend, but don't want to release crap and bugs, so they've decided to wait for a solid release.

How can your feelings get hurt from this?  I actually appreciate it when they give 'estimates' for a release date. 

If you were actually paying sash for his full time work on the pdaxrom project, then that would be another story...

I second this wholeheartedly. I would actually appreciate even more feedback from pdaXrom team -- what's going on, what to expect, early hopes, interim speculations and late revelations -- it's all much more interesting than just a plain silence smile.gif As long as it is marked accordingly, everybody would be comfortable with that.

People who are uncomfortable with that should really get a grip on reality. Nobody's hurting them, other than the fact they are hurting themselves.
Zumi
I don't think I'm the one who needs a reality check now. I think pdaXrom team needs a reality check, if they can't estimate the release time for 2 days ahead. blink.gif
I know that pdaXrom guys are nice and they do a good job, and I try to help them as I can.
So, I really don't want you hurt you guys, neither Laze, nor Sash, but I'm always upset when people just talking and their words have no weight. (hey, you can change RC1 to RC7 and you get this topic: here)

This wanted to be a positive critic. Take it as that. One day or two really don't matter, it's just the mentality who bothers me. smile.gif
Zumi
Laze
Zumi and others, i agree and as i wrote im very unhappy with the delay which is mainly due to problems from my side..

Regarding changelog i didn't know you people were looking for that.. So have a look - it take raw from my internal list and might contain rubish for outsiders.

Bug list:
CODE
SL-7500 is not able to be updated!      
AbiWord defaults to Times New Roman ...      
gnumeric crashes        
Backlight switches with Z when lid is closed  
                                                       
Linksys WCF12 (and WCF11) using wrong kernel module    
Ambicom card not detected    
Corega WLCFL-11 Prism2 CF WiFi does not work  
Buffalo WLI2-CF-S11 not working    
Socket WiFi Card Drivers need patch      
Orinoco driver patch        
Space Link WL-110 not work    
Socket Wifi CF 6004 REV B (fixed with above)  
CF Modem and Network cards not supported  
Socket Bluetooth CF ver. G,H    
AbiWord launches random windows    
wireless applet feature request    
'PPP Modem' offers missing /dev/ircomm by default    
/home ownership      
gdb doesn't break at breakpoints      
Gaim Segfault      
gaim quits when MSN sending    
Xserver hangs on C860        
WIFI Applet icon disappears...    
onscreen keyboard icon has different beh..  
fdisk shows extra empty partition      
dosfsck thinks logical sector size is zero  
CPU 100%      
FN keys for brightness and zoom    
backlight brightness control keys?      
Extra key mappings        
Jog Dial Scrolls Horizontally instead of Vertical    
Left side scroll        
Enable Jog Wheel in Portait mode    
Suspend from the keyboard    


From our misc list:
CODE
- Configuration of shortcut keys etc.
- configuration of right/middle click
- ntpd auto load at boot
- Unable to hide keyboard by taskbar icon when xvkbd have been rotated and after quiting it,
 it won't launch from applet again.
- Screenblanker(long mp3 playback program) added
- xvkbd resizing when using different keyboard layouts/window titles
- default dillorc settings
- /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia updated
- xset s 0 after matchbox load (mbsession)
- ntpd.conf replaced at boot/card insert (network fix)
- Make it possible to set wireless setting for default profile - if not wireless just write "empty" defaults
- Write "default" wireless config always no matter if its wireless - so it can fallback to "open"
- Support for configuring NTP servers in datentime.py
- xvkbd implemented as default keyboard/applet
- Timezones added
- Rdesktop added to feed
- Battery low warning i GUI
- NTP time support/NTP program
- New onscreen keyboard http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ - xvkbd
- ReiserFS,NTFS and CDFS support
- Updated to latest wireless extensions (w16)
- Dillo size/font problem fixed
- Taskbar for running programs
- New Wireless applet
- Various "glitches" in networs settings tool.
- Added support for Euro,Pound(Sterling) and Yen directly on keyboard, fn+p = Pound, fn+k = Yen, fn+s = Euro
- Added support for keyboard suspend, shift+"home" button will suspend/poweroff Zaurus
- Links has been compiled with support for -g paramet.
- /sbin/sltime -set should be added to timendate.py
- update /usr/bin/xkbdlauncher - add "-in cat stuff.


Hope this solves some of you questions - furthermore please also notice that almost all programs in feed have been update, like Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird .9, Gaim etc.

There are surely somethings i have forgotten..
BVer
the delay is ok for the thing of such complexity; sometimes it cannot be estimated very precisely -- it is always "quality versus deadline" question, which may be an emotional issue.
personally i prefer waiting few more days for some important bugfixes. the pdaXrom team is doing great work and we all should be patient and support them.

however, i completely agree with ikm:
QUOTE
I would actually appreciate even more feedback from pdaXrom team -- what's going on, what to expect, early hopes, interim speculations and late revelations ... As long as it is marked accordingly, everybody would be comfortable with that.

i am looking forward to the new release!
-bver
Laze
We will try to improve the feedback from us to the endusers - but the problem is everytime we post something we are bombarded with problems/questions etc. which again take time away from the project.. Basically we queitly watch the forums and look for good ideas..
ikm
QUOTE(Laze @ Dec 6 2004, 06:26 AM)
We will try to improve the feedback from us to the endusers - but the problem is everytime we post something we are bombarded with problems/questions etc. which again take time away from the project.. Basically we queitly watch the forums and look for good ideas..

If you wish to raise the quality of your readers, you can choose to run a mailing list -- basically, when people have to subscribe, they pass kind of a stupidity test :) Besides, mailing lists feel much more productive to me.

Silently watching for ideas is not the best way in that people 1) don't know if they are just talking in vacuum and hence have no incentive to post 2) they can't provide further corrections/suggestions in case you are interested 3) they just don't know the current development problems/issues/ideas to suggest about, since you don't talk about them much :)
ostense
It is great to get a date for release, but also the team is doing this in not paid time and that is impressive !! Even though I am eager to get started with the new rom I rather have some initial information and maybe have to wait longer than stated then not to know anything. It is great that Laze keep this forum updated, and it is also great that they take the time they need.
Laze
ikm - i agree - hopefully many of these things will be fixed with new website and more time on my hands -- now back to fixing..
sonicbuddha
Thanks alot for the changelog post. Now I know what will be fixed and what to look forward to! It also tells me what to be ready to experiment with when I get my hot hands on the new release! I am more than ready to wait, knowing that each day makes it a better release. Hey, its great to know pdaXrom is an active project, constantly moving forward. Keep up the great work!
g33k
With all the people interested in the new release, sweatin' Laze about it, it's pretty lame to look at the Donate-o-meter on the pdaXrom site and see that they've only received $69 so far this month. The work they're doing is tough and requires skills that most of us don't have. I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!

Oh, and Zumi: shut the hell up. I can't believe you're so triflin'.
DaveAnderson
Just so Laze and company know, the immaturity portrayed in this thread by various members does not represent the overall Z community. There are those of us that appreciate your work and will not whine when it is delayed.

Finally, I do hope that those whining have contributed respectable amounts to the pdaXrom team. Otherwise, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain.
pgas
We shouldn't start a flame war about this.

Some were disappointed (some more than others).

Of course you can complain providing that it is constructive, for instance I guess Laze has now learnt that he should not to give firm date but some indications like soon, very soon and such.

Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars) It's more like a measure of our interest in the project.

Let's just wait calmly.
Chero
I'm glad they didn't release this weekend !! tongue.gif

Let me tell you why:

I read about the new RC coming out this weekend, but, remembering what happened with previous RC's, I thought :"Laze is just teasing us again." He knows how much we want it, and he's got it.

My computer was turned on from friday evening just untill sunday evening.
I checked the ZUG and pdaXrom site every time I walked by (it's between the kitchen and the living-room), so I checked it quite a lot actually.

Sunday afternoon I started thinking :"I'm right, he's teasing us, he did it again, ...", but I kept on checking the ZUG and pdaXrom-site.

Sunday evening, I was still checking about every 30', my wife asked me "what does that computer have, that I don't?" And I asked "Why do you ask ?" then she said : "I'm sitting on the sofa, unbuttoned my blouse, no bra and all you do is run around between the sofa and the computer !" I laughed laugh.gif , shut down the computer and ... we had a nice, long and hot evening and night !

Today I keep asking myself : "What if Laze released yesterday evening ?" unsure.gif
You know, I just don't want to know !!
So Laze, thanks for not releasing !! wink.gif

The longer you want something, the better it gets when you finally have it !

Looking forward to RC6-7.
pdaXrom and team ROCK !

Cheers,
Chero. biggrin.gif
DaveAnderson
QUOTE(pgas @ Dec 6 2004, 04:28 PM)
We shouldn't start a flame war about this.

Some were disappointed (some more than others).

Of course you can complain providing that it is constructive, for instance I guess Laze has now learnt that he should not to give firm date but some indications like soon, very soon and such.

Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars) It's more like a measure of our interest in the project.

Let's just wait calmly.

Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars)

Donating should give them no right either, but it would at least be more understandable.

And believe me, the same people complaining now will be complaining when they get a 'real soon' now statement instead.
gretchen
QUOTE(g33k @ Dec 6 2004, 09:57 AM)
With all the people interested in the new release, sweatin' Laze about it, it's pretty lame to look at the Donate-o-meter on the pdaXrom site and see that they've only received $69 so far this month. The work they're doing is tough and requires skills that most of us don't have. I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!

Done!

And despite the silly comment I made earlier, I bear no hard feelings toward the team for the delay. I work in tech support and it has happened to me many times where we think we will have something done at a certain time and it doesn't happen because something doesn't go as planned.

We should all remember too that the Donate-o-meter only updates once a day.

I can't thank you guys enough for pdaXrom in the first place. It has made my Zaurus into a true mini laptop and if I had to, I could use it as my main computer. It's one of the best things that has happened to the Zaurus.
kopsis
QUOTE(Zumi @ Dec 5 2004, 11:09 PM)
I don't think I'm the one who needs a reality check now. I think pdaXrom team needs a reality check, if they can't estimate the release time for 2 days ahead.

You've got to be kidding! There are software professionals who have dedicated their entire careers to trying to devise systematic methods for software QA, determining release schedules, etc. Yet the only reliable way anyone has found to schedule an exact release date is to work the software to the point that it is completely ready to release, then announce a date and hold the software in a frozen state until the date arrives. No, features, bug fixes, or testing during that time or you may break/find something that causes you to delay the release. Of course if you do that, you end up sitting on a "finished" product for some length of time just so you can release it on a specific date.

Downloadable software is not like shrink-wrapped software. Shrink-wrapped software has to have disks, boxes, manuals, etc. manufactured and it's pretty easy to estimate how long that process is going to take. So it's not hard for someone like a commercial game publisher to say "we'll release this game on Dec 6th" and hit that date exactly because the code was actually finished two months before and was actually ready for end users when they announced the Dec 6th date.

Downloadable software is a whole different story. No one including the developers knows exactly when the last critical bug will be fixed until the last critical bug is fixed. Unless you want the developers to finish up a release and then sit on it for a week while they announce "we'll release this exactly one week from today" then you're going to have to learn to deal with missed release dates.

One of the driving philosophies behind open source software is "release early, release often". That does not lend itself to scheduled releases. The best one can do is exactly what the pdaXrom team did ... announce that they're planning to release on a certain date and then work like hell to meet it. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. But either way it's a tool that results in huge forward progress (cause no one wants to miss the release). And people who've been in this business for any length of time know perfectly well that you don't schedule your life around planned release dates. When a developer says "I'm planning to release this weekend" you say to yourself "cool, maybe I'll get to play with it next weekend."

The stuff the pdaXrom guys are doing is absolutely wonderful. But let's face it ... it's a software distribution for a handheld computer. It's not like this stuff is controlling your pacemaker and every extra day you have to wait for an update is taking a year off your life. If the release does come out on schedule and you don't have time planed to play with it, then what's the harm in waiting until the opportunity presents itself. The software is not going anywhere.

I've been in the pdaXrom guys shoes and believe me it's emotionally painful to miss a release date. And although developers tend to grow pretty thick skin, it still hurts to read messages from someone who calls your planned release date a lie (which implies intentional deception). If the goal was "constructive criticism" then a message to the extent of "I wish you guys wouldn't publish release dates ... I can't handle the emotional rollercoaster" would be more than adequate. Trying to make the developers feel worse than they already do is not helpful and leads to covert development and abandoned projects and that's not what the open source movement is all about.

Sorry for the long rant, but as a long-time software developer, it pains me to see insensitivity and lack of patience from people who are benefiting from an open source software team's good will. My hat is off to the pdaXrom team for their hard work and dedication ... and I don't even use their software! Hang in there guys and keep up the good work smile.gif
Zuber
Agreed.

Even with "paid for" software, a delay is not a hanging offence... This being free (except for donations/sponsership), I am happy to see that it is still being actively developed.

Will be in touch with cacko again soon to offer some more funds...
Zumi
Well, let's close this flame-thread then. Thank you, Laze, that you took my (rather angry) posts well and you haven't started to flame and you understood what I wanted to tell.

Still offtopic, but here's my view about the donation and right thing:
I don't know why one buys a Zaurus, but I bought it because it uses Linux. I appreciate everybody's work, who made and make it! I appreciate all kernel hackers, people working on X, KDE, Gaim, Firefox and all the stuff I like. I haven't payed a cent for them but I think I have the same right to use them as everybody else.

Donation is for Sash, he needs it to work on the rom a lot (an therefor he haven't got time to earn money in other ways). That's it and that's all. I don't think he will be rich from these donations. And I think the main reason he works on the rom is because he finds joy in it. And that's the point. Free Software not equals "you-don't-have-to-pay-for-it", it means a lot more. Donation is a good thing, but it's only a way of appreciation. 'till pdaXrom remains free.

Thank you for reading this,
Zumi smile.gif
Laze
Hey didn't think pushing the deadline would cause such a riot ;-)

Btw. im currently working on fixing the stupid python settings tools - we have updated to the latest pyGTK - which causes alot of problems with the old python stuff - damm i beginning to hate this python stuff :-(

But anyway we still hope to have it all ready at the updated time date - so stay tuned.

Ps. I updated the donat-o-meter - thanks for supporting our work..
j0m
QUOTE(g33k @ Dec 6 2004, 03:57 PM)
I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!

This months's goal should be reached now smile.gif .
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