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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: climber on February 25, 2008, 09:30:27 am
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Hello,
does anyone of you tried to get the kernel 2.6 working vor Meanie last pdaXii13 v2 version? This would be very interesting and
I'm willing to give them a try. I'm not so familiar with kernel compilation but I would try it if I get some help of this
forum!
Thanks
climber
SL-C3100 & pdaXii13 v2 (5.5)
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I don't think you'd like to try pdaX kernel building. It's a major pain.
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Hello,
does anyone of you tried to get the kernel 2.6 working vor Meanie last pdaXii13 v2 version? This would be very interesting and
I'm willing to give them a try. I'm not so familiar with kernel compilation but I would try it if I get some help of this
forum!
Thanks
climber
SL-C3100 & pdaXii13 v2 (5.5)
I can't really help you on this but, I'm curious as to why you would want to attempt this? The 2.6 kernel, from what I understand, has some fairly major design changes in it so most of the working Zaurus 2.4 customizations will not immediately work under a 2.4 kernel. That is why all the 2.6 kernel based ROM/distros are not Zaurus feature complete.
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Hello,
I can't really help you on this but, I'm curious as to why you would want to attempt this? The 2.6 kernel, from what I understand, has some fairly major design changes in it so most of the working Zaurus 2.4 customizations will not immediately work under a 2.4 kernel. That is why all the 2.6 kernel based ROM/distros are not Zaurus feature complete.
What he said :-)
there is to many changes to just run up a 2.6x kernel in an environment with the rootfs having 2.4x configs
Late
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Hello,
I can't really help you on this but, I'm curious as to why you would want to attempt this? The 2.6 kernel, from what I understand, has some fairly major design changes in it so most of the working Zaurus 2.4 customizations will not immediately work under a 2.4 kernel. That is why all the 2.6 kernel based ROM/distros are not Zaurus feature complete.
What he said :-)
there is to many changes to just run up a 2.6x kernel in an environment with the rootfs having 2.4x configs
Late
With that being said, what is the next evolutionary step for pdaXrom?
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With that being said, what is the next evolutionary step for pdaXrom?
Next step is for you to join pdaXrom project, fix bugs and add missing features.
Alternately, wait for someone else to do this.
I'm a little afraid, that the most likely "next evolutionary step" is extinction...
though at the current rate of progress/decay, we may not see it in our lifetimes.
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Sadly said - the next step is one of these:
1. You buy something else, not zaurus
2. You switch to something else, not pdaXrom
3. pdaXrom moves to something else like openembedded, not pdaXrom current way.
Right now I don't find any of the solutions working for me, so I'm using my customized beta3 that works so far great (except for the speed ... agh speed) and I build only packages for it. When Debian or Angstrom is stable enough - I will move there ( If I don't have already some new gadget )
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pdaXrom / pdaXii13 is great. From the above comments, it's not worth the effort to update the kernel.
I guess the next step would be to move to Debian and try to contribute there. What if we take one of the iso's mentioned here and create a distro?
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/arm/iso-cd/ (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/arm/iso-cd/)
How much effort would that involve?
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pdaXrom / pdaXii13 is great. From the above comments, it's not worth the effort to update the kernel.
I guess the next step would be to move to Debian and try to contribute there. What if we take one of the iso's mentioned here and create a distro?
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/arm/iso-cd/ (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/arm/iso-cd/)
How much effort would that involve?
I think because of the availability of epiphany-webkit in later releases a slightly more cutting edge debian based system would be the thing. I kind of look at it the other way, though--what would it take to make a pdaxii13 'workalike'out of the available debian stuff? How much hardware support is still lacking in the fastest/newest kernels? How hard would it be to do a debian 'roll your own' system that took advantage of the sharp bootloader and that
installed a working debian system with the same (but newer) packages and scripts from pdaxxii13, or pdax current? Given a working debian system, how hard would it be to batch convert the distro, or the significant pieces to .ipk (and would it be worthwhile?)
btw-- etch can run chroot in pdaxii13 using pocket workstation. Not the same, of course, but a decent compromise for now.
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Be warned, Debian is insanely slow on the Z.
Also, Debian is on 4.0r5 IIRC, no sense getting r3.
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Be warned, Debian is insanely slow on the Z.
Also, Debian is on 4.0r5 IIRC, no sense getting r3.
Is both eabi and abi slow on the Z? Why do we need a new kernel? Let's just stick with 2.4 and try to optimize pdaXrom.
Where can I get the source code? I would like to get involved and contribute.
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Be warned, Debian is insanely slow on the Z.
Also, Debian is on 4.0r5 IIRC, no sense getting r3.
Is both eabi and abi slow on the Z? Why do we need a new kernel? Let's just stick with 2.4 and try to optimize pdaXrom.
Where can I get the source code? I would like to get involved and contribute.
Have a look at tyrannozaurus.com--the stuff should be there.
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Be warned, Debian is insanely slow on the Z.
Also, Debian is on 4.0r5 IIRC, no sense getting r3.
Is both eabi and abi slow on the Z? Why do we need a new kernel? Let's just stick with 2.4 and try to optimize pdaXrom.
Where can I get the source code? I would like to get involved and contribute.
Have a look at tyrannozaurus.com--the stuff should be there.
Thanks for the reply. Why would we need kernel 2.6? Why not try to optimize what we currently have?
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I believe the theory is that EABI is faster than OABI (I may be wrong, though), and I tested EABI, which was ridiculously slow.
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I believe the theory is that EABI is faster than OABI (I may be wrong, though), and I tested EABI, which was ridiculously slow.
EABI is faster than OABI. In fact, debian EABI is a lot faster than my beta3. Unfortunately - too much things broken for me to move. I really hate to torture myself.
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Be warned, Debian is insanely slow on the Z.
Also, Debian is on 4.0r5 IIRC, no sense getting r3.
Is both eabi and abi slow on the Z? Why do we need a new kernel? Let's just stick with 2.4 and try to optimize pdaXrom.
Where can I get the source code? I would like to get involved and contribute.
Have a look at tyrannozaurus.com--the stuff should be there.
Thanks for the reply. Why would we need kernel 2.6? Why not try to optimize what we currently have?
pdaxii13v2 is already pretty well optimized-
perhaps not for speed, but for functionality and stability.
Without a drastic overhaul, the speed is not going to improve much.
If you're drastically overhauling, might as well move to 2.6 kernel (for extra fun).
Debian and pdaXrom cvs are using newer kernels, and are (generally) faster
if they're running native and not in chroot or from SD card.
I would imagine some small improvement on pdaxii13v2 is probably possible, if someone were
to spend a of time on it. There's more room for much more improvement on the other systems-
since stability and functionality and (some other stuff) is lacking.
What all these projects need is active developers and testers.