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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: Laze on December 03, 2004, 03:53:55 am
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Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.
Among the new features are (which haven't been discussed before):
- Configuration of the right stylus/mouse button, it can be press and hold (as it is today as standard), a modifier key and stylus click.
- Better and updated X server with better rotation
- Hopefully the "big fonts" in PDA mode is fixed too.
- NTPD support
- Timezones
- Support for the CE-RH1 remote control (thanx to http://www.Trisoft.de (http://www.Trisoft.de) for donating one for testing)
Futhermore we expect the pdaX86 to be released soon after too - which allows you to run the pdaXrom system on you regular pc - for developers this makes developing appliactions etc. a lot easier.
Developers: Don't worry no need to recompile anything. If you program worked under RC5 it works under RC7 too - but the new SDK adds some new features.
Also keep you pants on recompiling to many different programs - the next release will include an even wider spectrum of "precompiled" programs, like: VLC, Mplayer, Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 0.9 etc. :-)
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g77 toolchain or octave? :-) or :-( tell me which...
great to hear about the remote working again, thanks.
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I can't wait, I'm really looking forward to this release
It gets better and more powerful all the time.
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man and I was thinking "I have nothing to do this weekend... what a bore"
I mean, this is too much. I just can't wait!
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Randolph Carter(I'm Japanese)
C760 with RC5
http://nayuta.homeunix.net/zaurus/ (http://nayuta.homeunix.net/zaurus/)
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I'm really looking forward to it!!
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wee hoo!!! I can't wait for this release...
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Will it work on the 6000's??
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Can't wait
Thanks for the advance warning. Gotta hurry and get my weekend "Honey-do" list done so I've got time to play with the new release
Thanks Laze & the pdaXrom team!!
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the next release will include an even wider spectrum of "precompiled" programs, like: VLC, Mplayer, Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 0.9 etc. :-)
whoo-hoooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on come on come on ! Guys, i LOVE you !!!!!
PS : please please please, don't remove Abiword... please please please...
PPS : will there be the (clearely indicated) possibility to modify the root partition form the installer ?
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Will it work on the 6000's??
I sure hope so
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Wow! Thanks!
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Ohhh - been out drinking yesterday and therefore i haven't replyed yet..
Sorry no SL-6000 yet - but it won't be long.
Abiword is included - Gnumeric isn't preinstalled due to its huge size - but it works if you install it.
The root partion can be modified from installer - when we get the time we will rewrite many of the installer stuff and make "guides" on the following:
- Installing pdaXrom
- Setting up (GPRS) bluetooth mobile phone internet connection
- Setting up (wireless) internet connection using CF card
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You do realize how cruel it would be to make us all wait until Sunday night!!
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Yes .. but ufortantly that might be the situation - we need a lot of testing on a couple of newly added things..
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and you do realize that It's 0100 Sunday here in Japan...
just to add to the pressure, as some sort of a joke
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Abiword is included - Gnumeric isn't preinstalled due to its huge size - but it works if you install it.
My experience was that gnumeric's size was because of it's large documentation.
Maybe you could make an extra package for the documentation?
Christoph
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- Support for the CE-RH1 remote control
Was it implemented through xkeymouse (or similar tool) or just by keymapping? First way is more preferable, because it solves screen-should-be-off-while-Z-is-in-the-pocket problem (by writing a simple script) and doesn't need keeping input focus on xmms' window.
Now my all-time question : will Ratoc USB Host drivers work again or it is possible only with a VFPless ROM?
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Those events happens betwenn Sunday 00 : 00 and 24:00
The are repported in real time.
Paris : 11:00
" - Kim ! Take care, a bad guy is behind you !!!
- Mr president, Jack is here to save the world, don't worry about this alien attack...
- Almeda asks you to shut up and to let Laze do his job..."
The countdown begins...
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I haven't heard anything from Sash yet - i can't release anything before Sash says go!!!
Btw. it s 13.23 in Denmark..
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Laze - sash just called me on my cellphone and said "go!"
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Is it out yet? I am waiting on tenterhooks for the new version with my C760 already on the update screen!
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Hopefully Laze hasn't gone to bed yet and is adding the link to the new zip file as we anxiously hit the refresh key in our browsers....
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Why oh why must they torture us like this?!?!
$50 says sash completed the rom yesterday and they just want to see how anxious we get
On a serious note, I'd like to suggest that for everyone who is axiously awaiting this new version, when you download it make a quick donation of at least $10 (or more if you can). Just to show how much we appreciate their work.
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He he .. Im on my way to bed now - been a long weekend (like 10 hours of sleep) ..
But i hate to be the carrier of bad news but a series of problems has arisen, but i have taken the day of from work tomorrow and will dedicate the entire day tomorrow and night to getting the last couple of bugs sorted out - so at the latest it will be out in morning of the 7.12.2004 (CET)
I know we promised it this weekend but we wan't to make as much as possible fixed before we release and we wan't the new details to blow you away - like the ability to configure what most of the keys do and how to configure right click and middle click button - so everybody can get the perfect setup without too much hassle - so basically the next 24 hours will be spend bughunting and giving eveything the last finishing touches.
I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..
Once again i appologize on behalf of the entire pdaXrom team who are dedicated to bringing you the latest and greatest for your Zaurus :-)
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He he .. Im on my way to bed now - been a long weekend (like 10 hours of sleep) ..
But i hate to be the carrier of bad news but a series of problems has arisen, but i have taken the day of from work tomorrow and will dedicate the entire day tomorrow and night to getting the last couple of bugs sorted out - so at the latest it will be out the 6.12.2005..
I know we promised it this weekend but we wan't to make as much as possible fixed before we release and we wan't the new details to blow you away - like the ability to configure what most of the keys do and how to configure right click and middle click button - so everybody can get the perfect setup without too much hassle - so basically the next 24 hours will be spend bughunting and giving eveything the last finishing touches.
I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..
Once again i appologize on behalf of the entire pdaXrom team who are dedicated to bringing you the latest and greatest for your Zaurus :-)
No need to apologize. You guys do top notch work and we are the ones who are grateful. Thanks for the great rom.
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Damm Dave you beat me to the edit and even quoted the wrong date before i got it fixed :-) Anyway if you guys can live with the date that Dave quoted we can live with it too :-)
Btw. Dave did you get the flixer fixed ok?
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Very excited! But not so excited that I can't wait for the new release to be "polished". Is there (or will there be) a full changelog for the updates/fixes/additions for this release? As anxious to read this as I am to play with the new rc.
*like the day before xmas*
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Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.
This is what I really hate. Don't tell me deadlines. I don't mind if you don't release it for another 2 months but don't tell me you do. Tell me when it's done.
You know that if you say "this weekend", people don't think about sunday 23:59:59...
They think "ok, then I will be able to reflash it in the weekend, I don't go out then", etc.
So, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but then don't hurt mine. It's pretty disappointing to wait for something then you always get a "later".
An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.
But don't tell untruths.
Thanks,
Zumi
EDIT: I haven't seen Laze's post, because I forgot to refresh before posting. The point stays the same: try to be a bit more precise in the releases and a bit less "user friendly" (hey, it's an RC, not a final). Zumi
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I hope you can wait until then - if not feel free to donate or click banners while you waiting..
so we should anxiously hit the ad banners when we reload
seriously, I agree with Zumi.
It was very nice of you to let us know about next release date, but it shouldn't tie you up like this.
An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.
Having a CVS would be nice, so we can live on the bleeding edge if we would like to, but it's not a strong MUST, as everyone does not have a spare C760
#I don't, and it's not something you can make off the shelf, like a PC.
Anyway, you guys are doing a great work.
Thank you.
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Yes we are expecting the next RC to be available this weekend together with SDK etc.
This is what I really hate. Don't tell me deadlines. I don't mind if you don't release it for another 2 months but don't tell me you do. Tell me when it's done.
You know that if you say "this weekend", people don't think about sunday 23:59:59...
They think "ok, then I will be able to reflash it in the weekend, I don't go out then", etc.
So, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but then don't hurt mine. It's pretty disappointing to wait for something then you always get a "later".
An alternative (not for the weekend thing, rather for the long releasing periods and the many unpatient user): Make a CVS or something alike, then everybody can check out the stuff if one is really eager to use it.
But don't tell untruths.
Thanks,
Zumi
EDIT: I haven't seen Laze's post, because I forgot to refresh before posting. The point stays the same: try to be a bit more precise in the releases and a bit less "user friendly" (hey, it's an RC, not a final). Zumi
As much as I love joking with the guys and posting notes about them torturing us... I think you need a reality check.
These guys are doing all of this work as volunteers. They had high hopes of releasing it this weekend, but don't want to release crap and bugs, so they've decided to wait for a solid release.
How can your feelings get hurt from this? I actually appreciate it when they give 'estimates' for a release date.
If you were actually paying sash for his full time work on the pdaxrom project, then that would be another story...
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As much as I love joking with the guys and posting notes about them torturing us... I think you need a reality check.
These guys are doing all of this work as volunteers. They had high hopes of releasing it this weekend, but don't want to release crap and bugs, so they've decided to wait for a solid release.
How can your feelings get hurt from this? I actually appreciate it when they give 'estimates' for a release date.
If you were actually paying sash for his full time work on the pdaxrom project, then that would be another story...
I second this wholeheartedly. I would actually appreciate even more feedback from pdaXrom team -- what's going on, what to expect, early hopes, interim speculations and late revelations -- it's all much more interesting than just a plain silence As long as it is marked accordingly, everybody would be comfortable with that.
People who are uncomfortable with that should really get a grip on reality. Nobody's hurting them, other than the fact they are hurting themselves.
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I don't think I'm the one who needs a reality check now. I think pdaXrom team needs a reality check, if they can't estimate the release time for 2 days ahead.
I know that pdaXrom guys are nice and they do a good job, and I try to help them as I can.
So, I really don't want you hurt you guys, neither Laze, nor Sash, but I'm always upset when people just talking and their words have no weight. (hey, you can change RC1 to RC7 and you get this topic: here (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5234&view=findpost&p=37539))
This wanted to be a positive critic. Take it as that. One day or two really don't matter, it's just the mentality who bothers me.
Zumi
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Zumi and others, i agree and as i wrote im very unhappy with the delay which is mainly due to problems from my side..
Regarding changelog i didn't know you people were looking for that.. So have a look - it take raw from my internal list and might contain rubish for outsiders.
Bug list:
SL-7500 is not able to be updated!
AbiWord defaults to Times New Roman ...
gnumeric crashes
Backlight switches with Z when lid is closed
Linksys WCF12 (and WCF11) using wrong kernel module
Ambicom card not detected
Corega WLCFL-11 Prism2 CF WiFi does not work
Buffalo WLI2-CF-S11 not working
Socket WiFi Card Drivers need patch
Orinoco driver patch
Space Link WL-110 not work
Socket Wifi CF 6004 REV B (fixed with above)
CF Modem and Network cards not supported
Socket Bluetooth CF ver. G,H
AbiWord launches random windows
wireless applet feature request
'PPP Modem' offers missing /dev/ircomm by default
/home ownership
gdb doesn't break at breakpoints
Gaim Segfault
gaim quits when MSN sending
Xserver hangs on C860
WIFI Applet icon disappears...
onscreen keyboard icon has different beh..
fdisk shows extra empty partition
dosfsck thinks logical sector size is zero
CPU 100%
FN keys for brightness and zoom
backlight brightness control keys?
Extra key mappings
Jog Dial Scrolls Horizontally instead of Vertical
Left side scroll
Enable Jog Wheel in Portait mode
Suspend from the keyboard
From our misc list:
- Configuration of shortcut keys etc.
- configuration of right/middle click
- ntpd auto load at boot
- Unable to hide keyboard by taskbar icon when xvkbd have been rotated and after quiting it,
 it won't launch from applet again.
- Screenblanker(long mp3 playback program) added
- xvkbd resizing when using different keyboard layouts/window titles
- default dillorc settings
- /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia updated
- xset s 0 after matchbox load (mbsession)
- ntpd.conf replaced at boot/card insert (network fix)
- Make it possible to set wireless setting for default profile - if not wireless just write "empty" defaults
- Write "default" wireless config always no matter if its wireless - so it can fallback to "open"
- Support for configuring NTP servers in datentime.py
- xvkbd implemented as default keyboard/applet
- Timezones added
- Rdesktop added to feed
- Battery low warning i GUI
- NTP time support/NTP program
- New onscreen keyboard http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ - xvkbd
- ReiserFS,NTFS and CDFS support
- Updated to latest wireless extensions (w16)
- Dillo size/font problem fixed
- Taskbar for running programs
- New Wireless applet
- Various "glitches" in networs settings tool.
- Added support for Euro,Pound(Sterling) and Yen directly on keyboard, fn+p = Pound, fn+k = Yen, fn+s = Euro
- Added support for keyboard suspend, shift+"home" button will suspend/poweroff Zaurus
- Links has been compiled with support for -g paramet.
- /sbin/sltime -set should be added to timendate.py
- update /usr/bin/xkbdlauncher - add "-in cat stuff.
Hope this solves some of you questions - furthermore please also notice that almost all programs in feed have been update, like Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird .9, Gaim etc.
There are surely somethings i have forgotten..
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the delay is ok for the thing of such complexity; sometimes it cannot be estimated very precisely -- it is always "quality versus deadline" question, which may be an emotional issue.
personally i prefer waiting few more days for some important bugfixes. the pdaXrom team is doing great work and we all should be patient and support them.
however, i completely agree with ikm:
I would actually appreciate even more feedback from pdaXrom team -- what's going on, what to expect, early hopes, interim speculations and late revelations ... As long as it is marked accordingly, everybody would be comfortable with that.
i am looking forward to the new release!
-bver
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We will try to improve the feedback from us to the endusers - but the problem is everytime we post something we are bombarded with problems/questions etc. which again take time away from the project.. Basically we queitly watch the forums and look for good ideas..
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We will try to improve the feedback from us to the endusers - but the problem is everytime we post something we are bombarded with problems/questions etc. which again take time away from the project.. Basically we queitly watch the forums and look for good ideas..
If you wish to raise the quality of your readers, you can choose to run a mailing list -- basically, when people have to subscribe, they pass kind of a stupidity test :) Besides, mailing lists feel much more productive to me.
Silently watching for ideas is not the best way in that people 1) don't know if they are just talking in vacuum and hence have no incentive to post 2) they can't provide further corrections/suggestions in case you are interested 3) they just don't know the current development problems/issues/ideas to suggest about, since you don't talk about them much :)
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It is great to get a date for release, but also the team is doing this in not paid time and that is impressive !! Even though I am eager to get started with the new rom I rather have some initial information and maybe have to wait longer than stated then not to know anything. It is great that Laze keep this forum updated, and it is also great that they take the time they need.
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ikm - i agree - hopefully many of these things will be fixed with new website and more time on my hands -- now back to fixing..
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Thanks alot for the changelog post. Now I know what will be fixed and what to look forward to! It also tells me what to be ready to experiment with when I get my hot hands on the new release! I am more than ready to wait, knowing that each day makes it a better release. Hey, its great to know pdaXrom is an active project, constantly moving forward. Keep up the great work!
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With all the people interested in the new release, sweatin' Laze about it, it's pretty lame to look at the Donate-o-meter on the pdaXrom site and see that they've only received $69 so far this month. The work they're doing is tough and requires skills that most of us don't have. I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!
Oh, and Zumi: shut the hell up. I can't believe you're so triflin'.
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Just so Laze and company know, the immaturity portrayed in this thread by various members does not represent the overall Z community. There are those of us that appreciate your work and will not whine when it is delayed.
Finally, I do hope that those whining have contributed respectable amounts to the pdaXrom team. Otherwise, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain.
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We shouldn't start a flame war about this.
Some were disappointed (some more than others).
Of course you can complain providing that it is constructive, for instance I guess Laze has now learnt that he should not to give firm date but some indications like soon, very soon and such.
Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars) It's more like a measure of our interest in the project.
Let's just wait calmly.
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I'm glad they didn't release this weekend !!
Let me tell you why:
I read about the new RC coming out this weekend, but, remembering what happened with previous RC's, I thought :"Laze is just teasing us again." He knows how much we want it, and he's got it.
My computer was turned on from friday evening just untill sunday evening.
I checked the ZUG and pdaXrom site every time I walked by (it's between the kitchen and the living-room), so I checked it quite a lot actually.
Sunday afternoon I started thinking :"I'm right, he's teasing us, he did it again, ...", but I kept on checking the ZUG and pdaXrom-site.
Sunday evening, I was still checking about every 30', my wife asked me "what does that computer have, that I don't?" And I asked "Why do you ask ?" then she said : "I'm sitting on the sofa, unbuttoned my blouse, no bra and all you do is run around between the sofa and the computer !" I laughed , shut down the computer and ... we had a nice, long and hot evening and night !
Today I keep asking myself : "What if Laze released yesterday evening ?"
You know, I just don't want to know !!
So Laze, thanks for not releasing !!
The longer you want something, the better it gets when you finally have it !
Looking forward to RC6-7.
pdaXrom and team ROCK !
Cheers,
Chero.
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We shouldn't start a flame war about this.
Some were disappointed (some more than others).
Of course you can complain providing that it is constructive, for instance I guess Laze has now learnt that he should not to give firm date but some indications like soon, very soon and such.
Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars) It's more like a measure of our interest in the project.
Let's just wait calmly.
Donating doesn't give you a special right either, it's not like you sign a contract with them or something (try to hire an enginer for 2 months for 1200 dollars)
Donating should give them no right either, but it would at least be more understandable.
And believe me, the same people complaining now will be complaining when they get a 'real soon' now statement instead.
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With all the people interested in the new release, sweatin' Laze about it, it's pretty lame to look at the Donate-o-meter on the pdaXrom site and see that they've only received $69 so far this month. The work they're doing is tough and requires skills that most of us don't have. I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!
Done!
And despite the silly comment I made earlier, I bear no hard feelings toward the team for the delay. I work in tech support and it has happened to me many times where we think we will have something done at a certain time and it doesn't happen because something doesn't go as planned.
We should all remember too that the Donate-o-meter only updates once a day.
I can't thank you guys enough for pdaXrom in the first place. It has made my Zaurus into a true mini laptop and if I had to, I could use it as my main computer. It's one of the best things that has happened to the Zaurus.
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I don't think I'm the one who needs a reality check now. I think pdaXrom team needs a reality check, if they can't estimate the release time for 2 days ahead.
You've got to be kidding! There are software professionals who have dedicated their entire careers to trying to devise systematic methods for software QA, determining release schedules, etc. Yet the only reliable way anyone has found to schedule an exact release date is to work the software to the point that it is completely ready to release, then announce a date and hold the software in a frozen state until the date arrives. No, features, bug fixes, or testing during that time or you may break/find something that causes you to delay the release. Of course if you do that, you end up sitting on a "finished" product for some length of time just so you can release it on a specific date.
Downloadable software is not like shrink-wrapped software. Shrink-wrapped software has to have disks, boxes, manuals, etc. manufactured and it's pretty easy to estimate how long that process is going to take. So it's not hard for someone like a commercial game publisher to say "we'll release this game on Dec 6th" and hit that date exactly because the code was actually finished two months before and was actually ready for end users when they announced the Dec 6th date.
Downloadable software is a whole different story. No one including the developers knows exactly when the last critical bug will be fixed until the last critical bug is fixed. Unless you want the developers to finish up a release and then sit on it for a week while they announce "we'll release this exactly one week from today" then you're going to have to learn to deal with missed release dates.
One of the driving philosophies behind open source software is "release early, release often". That does not lend itself to scheduled releases. The best one can do is exactly what the pdaXrom team did ... announce that they're planning to release on a certain date and then work like hell to meet it. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. But either way it's a tool that results in huge forward progress (cause no one wants to miss the release). And people who've been in this business for any length of time know perfectly well that you don't schedule your life around planned release dates. When a developer says "I'm planning to release this weekend" you say to yourself "cool, maybe I'll get to play with it next weekend."
The stuff the pdaXrom guys are doing is absolutely wonderful. But let's face it ... it's a software distribution for a handheld computer. It's not like this stuff is controlling your pacemaker and every extra day you have to wait for an update is taking a year off your life. If the release does come out on schedule and you don't have time planed to play with it, then what's the harm in waiting until the opportunity presents itself. The software is not going anywhere.
I've been in the pdaXrom guys shoes and believe me it's emotionally painful to miss a release date. And although developers tend to grow pretty thick skin, it still hurts to read messages from someone who calls your planned release date a lie (which implies intentional deception). If the goal was "constructive criticism" then a message to the extent of "I wish you guys wouldn't publish release dates ... I can't handle the emotional rollercoaster" would be more than adequate. Trying to make the developers feel worse than they already do is not helpful and leads to covert development and abandoned projects and that's not what the open source movement is all about.
Sorry for the long rant, but as a long-time software developer, it pains me to see insensitivity and lack of patience from people who are benefiting from an open source software team's good will. My hat is off to the pdaXrom team for their hard work and dedication ... and I don't even use their software! Hang in there guys and keep up the good work
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Agreed.
Even with "paid for" software, a delay is not a hanging offence... This being free (except for donations/sponsership), I am happy to see that it is still being actively developed.
Will be in touch with cacko again soon to offer some more funds...
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Well, let's close this flame-thread then. Thank you, Laze, that you took my (rather angry) posts well and you haven't started to flame and you understood what I wanted to tell.
Still offtopic, but here's my view about the donation and right thing:
I don't know why one buys a Zaurus, but I bought it because it uses Linux. I appreciate everybody's work, who made and make it! I appreciate all kernel hackers, people working on X, KDE, Gaim, Firefox and all the stuff I like. I haven't payed a cent for them but I think I have the same right to use them as everybody else.
Donation is for Sash, he needs it to work on the rom a lot (an therefor he haven't got time to earn money in other ways). That's it and that's all. I don't think he will be rich from these donations. And I think the main reason he works on the rom is because he finds joy in it. And that's the point. Free Software not equals "you-don't-have-to-pay-for-it", it means a lot more. Donation is a good thing, but it's only a way of appreciation. 'till pdaXrom remains free.
Thank you for reading this,
Zumi
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Hey didn't think pushing the deadline would cause such a riot ;-)
Btw. im currently working on fixing the stupid python settings tools - we have updated to the latest pyGTK - which causes alot of problems with the old python stuff - damm i beginning to hate this python stuff :-(
But anyway we still hope to have it all ready at the updated time date - so stay tuned.
Ps. I updated the donat-o-meter - thanks for supporting our work..
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I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!
This months's goal should be reached now .
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Isn't this the pdaXrom team's second major release this year? I think it's phenomenal this kind of development can happen so fast when a certain manufacturer of proprietary OS software that I will not name takes 2-4 years between major releases, and then has to scale back features in order to get the release out the door.
Bill
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Quick update - anyone who donates using Ikobo should notice that the donation won't be registered until we get the money "released" from Ikobo.. :-(
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I have $100/mo for a bug bounty.
Laze, I know I bug you too... but the release will be ready when it is.
I've been running 1.0.5 since last may. I've waited a LONG time.
I'll continue to wait -- the good news is that there still IS development.
Laze -- will the pc pdaXrom crosscompile for the zaurus and use
qemu to do arm emu on the pc for things? (like sub-util compiles, etc).
Scott
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OK I'm sparing my old Libretto for pdaXrom-x86
but hey... what are the requirements? will it run on my old MMX Pentium-driven note PC?
well sorry to bug you, and I know that you guys will put it on the site or something when release arrives, so this is only a time-killing question
anyway, you guys are making zaurus go where no PDA has gone before.
keep up the great work!
#when RC6 is out, I'll try to sneak in xsystem3.5 or onscripter... hehe
oh, and I too think having a ML is good thing too.
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Well, if nothing else this thread should demonstrate how passionate everyone is about the pdaXrom and their Z's. Additionally, it seems to have stimulated a flurry of donations on the pdaXrom site, a very good thing.
It's amusing to see how many members are listed viewing at the bottom of this thread. I've been checking every chance I get.
So Laze, I hate to ask and distract you from your work but ....how's the bug squashing coming?
No need to give actual date , just "Only a couple bugs left" or "got a few more difficult to resolve than anticipated" would be great.
Thanks,
Jerry
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I just fixed the finally bugs in some of the stupid python programs... So timeline is going to hold - according to danish time and at 23.59 :-)
Now we have for compiling and stuff to be downloaded from Russia to Denmark and then i have add it to sites and do some more stuff.. So at latest sometime at 1-2 tonight CET.
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Laze : don't worry, keep on doing your wonderful rom, the worldis not going to stop spinning around if tyou are a bit late.
Congrats for your hard work. You and your team are serious and good workers.
Thanks again.
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Status update
Sash has been awake for like 40 hours now and so have I almost - so now we will sleep for a couple of hours while the ROM is compiling. Then the final builded ROM we will be tested once more - just to check that we didn't forget some of the many different elements.
Some of the deluxe-bonus-features (like configuring program launching for shortcut hardware keys) might not make into this build but will maybe released as IPK updates later - but if we have the time+energy we might make it all into the release.
Night, night.. :-)
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RIING
Time to wake up !!!
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Sash has been awake for like 40 hours now and so have I almost
You guys are awesome!!! Take a few extra hours, we know it will be worth the wait.
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Well I know I can wait... I've got 5 more hours of normal work and trip home
I'll tinker with it tonight or tomorrow or whenever.
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I'll have to wait 'till tonight anyway.
I just arrived at work and won't be home in the next 10 hours or so.
And I won't be able to update while I'm here 'cause I forgot my AC-power supply (damn!)
Looking at what the pdaXrom team already managed to do so far, I know that every hour that passes by before the release will just make it a better rom.
So I don't mind waiting at all.
Chero.
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Laze Sash, follow the advices don't put so much pressure on yourself sleep well, take your time, release when you want otherwise working on pdaxrom will cease to be fun and you'll stop working on it alltogether.
Let's face it, we are all excited by the new release but no one said that delaying the release is a problem.
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Allow me to concur with the previous comments. I, like everyone else in this thread, am waiting anxiously (esp after reading all the fixes and addtions!) for the new release but I would rather you fully satisfied and comfortable with its status than rush you in any way. Take your time, have some fun with it, and when you are ready, so are we! rc5 is a fine release canidate and rc7 should be even better. I'd rather the comfortable polish than the rushed release. Thanks for your work!
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We are awake and tinckering with even more new stuff - like better bluetooth pairing setup etc.
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take it easy guys! It lets me get a few more assignments done while i'm waiting... 8-)
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Laze! Just wondering: I got a bluetooth interface, which I hoped it would be the right one, but when I opened the box it was an Ambicom BT2000-CF ... (not the model that worked with sharp zaurus OS) ....
Is this fixed in pdaxrom ? or is it plainly that there is NO linux driver for this small thingy ?
Cheers !!!!!
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Sash has been awake for like 40 hours now and so have I almost - so now we will sleep for a couple of hours while the ROM is compiling.
Awake for 40 hours! That is too much time without sleep. I'd rather that you took care of your selves and released the next RC in a week’s time or when ever.
To those who don't care how hard the guys push themselves, look at it this way, this next release is still going to be just a release candidate. If the guys over work them selves there are three likely results:
1. They make more mistakes and the whole process takes longer.
2. They get sick because their immune systems are suppressed and the whole process takes longer.
3. They start to resent doing this work for you, essentially for nothing and the whole process stops!
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i know devloppers are used to include in their progs lots of things they need to have it working...
1 milion dollars question : will there be a coffee machine included in rc7 ?
5 million dollars question : Does Jacques Vabre sponsor the rom ?
10 million dollars question : will a packof coffe br posted to every downloader of the rom ?
It's christmas soon, send everything you have related to cofee making to Laze and Sash.
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Ooooh, thats an idea! An xmas present! What do you say we all chip in and get them a present that keeps on giving (to us): a c3000! I mean, who doesn't wanna see the portage?
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I don't know Laze and Sash at all, but while we're all waiting here are my guesses:
1. They like working this way. They set artificial deadlines by announcing release dates to push themselves harder. Read the announcements as goals, not promises.
2. Every bug they take an extra five minutes to fix saves dozens -- perhaps hundreds -- of us from spending ten minutes each (or in my case probably an hour) figuring out how to fix it ourselves.
3. An RC is not a beta and should be polished. In many projects the last RC becomes the release. Too much polishing after the last RC will likely mean a buggier release.
4. They aren't heartbroken by criticism. They know how hard they're working and how much they've accomplished.
5. They appreciate compliments in the forum, but appreciate compliments in the form of contributions more -- as well they should.
6. They probably have a business plan for some use of their fine work which we will learn about when the time comes. If they don't, they should.
Keep up the good work guys.
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gotta feel sorry for the zugs server.... so many of us just refreshing.... 8-)
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bandwidth was 4x normal, but it will be higher when the rom is available for dl
10 Members: ScottYelich, totaln00b, drak2, stbrock, allyrfriends, henrysviper, sriram.rajan, ikm, omega, pnb
it said 13 members browsing..
Scott
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gotta feel sorry for the zugs server.... so many of us just refreshing.... 8-)
the server has been quite busy, as you can see from the stats on the bottom of the forum main page, we've hit new highs... I'm worndering if it's the pdaxrom release that's causing the spike in traffic, or anything else...
good thing is that I haven't noticed any bit of slow down because of this...
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Current bandwidth utilization 630.11 kbit/s
i guess every pdaXrom user is waiting and about to break his F5 key...
UPDATTE : Oki, nearly 23:00 here in France. I have to go to bed. No RC7 for today, maybe tommorrw. I've only been awake for about 20 hours and i am damn tired. Sash and Laze are incredible ! I've never seen anyone working so hard on a free project. I wish the headmaster in the school i work (headmastress... is that an english word ? never mind...) could work that hard...
Good night everyone, and try not to burn servers this night !
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Okay everybody a quick status update - first of all i spent almost like 2.5 hours downloading the first testing ROM, internet in Russia rulez!!! But i have succefully tested and almost everything is working like a charm ..... BUT:
As always with software, some of the new features destroyed some of the old fixes so i contiue working on fixing them but on the positive side this also includes some of the features we were planning on not releasing now will be included in this release.
So if you all have some patience we hopefully have something ready within the next 24 hours - yes i should stop posting date but everytime we really believe we can make it :-)
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Thanks Laze~~!
it's good to know when to expect for the new rom, than checking here for every half an hour
No worries, just take ur time
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Thanks for the update Laze
No worries indeed, its ready when it is ready
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How's it going Laze?
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Busy, busy - please have patience more bugs have arrived - sorry!
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hehe, I've been checking twice a day now. Down from like 30x a day. Trying not to go crazy....
However, I totally respect the goal of putting out a bug free version. Thats certainly what i want in the long run, rather than a buggy version now.
Thanks for all your hard word Laze. Nothing I respect more than a perfectionist.
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Where can I download the new sdk?
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It's a hard life being a perfectionist... keep at it guys!
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i hope that everyone checking the pdaxrom homepage thinks about clicking sponsors each time !!!
BTW : is there anotherway to help when you can't donate ?
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I'm still using Cacko but have been very impressed with screenshots and comments from all of you about pdaXrom so I'm seriously considering switching. I have not seen much discussion about this lately, but is it still true that the battery life is the big advantage Cacko has over pdaXrom? I read this in some fairly recent thread (I think) and am wondering whether this has been or can be addressed (if true). Also, is it still true that pdf viewers are unstable or not compilable on pdaXrom? I will give up certain packages (ie stageone, safedee, and textmaker which I don't have but was planning to buy) that I have really learned to live in Cacko but not a pdf viewer. Anyone has any new/updated info regarding battery performance issue and pdf?
Tom
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I havn't had any battery problems since the some of the very early releases.
There is a PDF viewer available for pdaXrom, but it's not as good as the one for the qtopia based roms. Some docs it reads just fine, others it doesn't read properly, a few just crash it.
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I and several others asked for the qpdf2 (the better version) to be included in the upcoming RC7 and I recall a hint at one point that that might happen, but the source code is reported to be a horrorshow of ad hoc patching. We'll find out Real Soon Now.
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I and several others asked for the qpdf2 (the better version) to be included in the upcoming RC7 and I recall a hint at one point that that might happen, but the source code is reported to be a horrorshow of ad hoc patching. We'll find out Real Soon Now.
qpdf2 src is apparently bad enough to frustrate openzaurus people to give up their porting effort according to recent thread (I believe in oz forum on this site).
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Amrein new SDK is not available yet..
We are currently fighting some very strange bluetooth hardware bugs and optimizing the configuration of the input handling so that as much as possible is customizable :-)
We are not sure about release but we will be fighting all weekend!!
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I don't know how other see this... as they are mainly users... but me I'm still suffering because I have nothing to do to help.
I know you don't have a tasks list where I could pick in something to do but... I'm still hoping to see this for next release.
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The current RC5 SDK will work fine with the RC6-7 ROM when its ready - feel free to start working on a better PDF viewer..
Sorry to go off-topic for this thread, but seeing your post I was wondering:
does RC6/7 use the same kernel patches as RC5? (I need to build some HostAP modules, but I would like to avoid doing the work twice )
Thank you!
Andrea
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wait for long time~~?
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I agree - and a native "links -g" is a *MUST*
it would be perfect for X, but it would be great if it used SDL on
the console and still had the -g capability!
ie: mplayer and links -g on console. You spare yourself the
ram reqs of X, but get two of the most important features
(imho) ...
Scott
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I saw in your bug list that you were working on the jog wheel, Laze. Is it going to be more like a scroll wheel now? I personally think that would be the best use for it, as opposed to left/right.
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Can pdaXrom developer add the LCD off function too?
as well as jgrave's XMMS scripts for making a Z a great mp3 player
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hi !
The latest version is pdaxrom 1.1 (Katherin) RC5 and it's availiable here :
http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=40&menuid=11 (http://www.pdaxrom.org/index.php?showid=40&menuid=11)
RC 6 or 7 is expected for very soon
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thank you for help
wait : new R6-R7.
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Hi :-)
... nice to here about release before christmas ... but a chance to get it before or at thursday ... because I go to holiday (fuerteventura until 27 th december) like to have RC6/7 with me for good mp3 player / holiday picturestorage / maybe internet and email ...
... yes I'm not allone and realy have some other fun on holiday ... my girlfriend is with me :-))
... but want to test RC6/7, before going away with my Z ...
best wishes / good luck to the developers
Martin
p.s.: I think some of my comments are a little offtopic ;-) ... some other comments here too ... time to start a NEW thread ...
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Hi Laza,
What is the progress of RC7? Will we get RC7 before Christmas? Thanks.
Jacky
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RC7 for christmas ............?
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Great news for everyone - we have tweaked and tweaked - so now for example all the phones and BT card we have tried work for internet connection :-) And lots of other things have been fixed and right now we are discussing which 2-3 bugs remaing are the most important :-) These will probally be fixed soon and of course its going to be out before christmas as promised.
Things we have fixed recently:
- "power on" keys should not launch programs when pressed to power on Zaurus
- "complicated" init strings are accpeted for pppconfig/pppdialer
- configuration of silk keys/onscreen shortcuts
- configuration of calendar,address,mail, home shortcut buttons
- configuration of ctrl+alt buttons mapping
- configuration of right/middle click input method
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Laze,
Could you release 1.1.0-rc6-pre1? ;-) Linus seems to like it very much ... Just kidding ...
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Great work laze!
Do will you at anypoint be putting up a FAQ on which phones were tested and have you tested any gprs cards? audiovox rtm-8000 is what i'm hoping for
Thanks for working of the quickkeys!
lu
ps. merry christmas
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I like the current Ctrl and Alt mapping, I hope that hasn't changed. How configurable will the remaining buttons be? Also, have you made any changes to the jog wheel?
Glad to see you've taken care of most of the major stuff, keep up the good work.
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Things we have fixed recently:
- "power on" keys should not launch programs when pressed to power on Zaurus
Laze, are you sure that was a bug? I thought that the whole idea of "power on" keys was to instantly launch a needed application right from the suspended state -- that's why they were made "power on" on the first place. Well, at least as I understand it.
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ikm - i don't know i haven't had any other ROM than pdaXrom for 1.5 years now :-) It didn't seem logic that for example something launched when powering it on.
CTRL+ALT can be mapped to any shortcut button and kanjii buttons.
Jogwheel has been changed - maybe we will make it so it can be configured in the input config tool too :-)
We have tested most new mobile phones, we don't own a audiovox card. The phone we have tested are: Nokia 6230, Siemens SX1, Sony Erricson, Motorola V3 and some more..
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My Audiovox RTM-8000 worked fine with RC5 on Vodafone in the UK so hopefully they haven't broken it!
I will test this ASAP when the RC is available!
Andrew
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Hi Laze (and all pdaXrom heroes),
We have tested most new mobile phones, we don't own a audiovox card. The phone we have tested are: Nokia 6230, Siemens SX1, Sony Erricson, Motorola V3 and some more..
i am looking forward to test the new rom and RC6/7 feed with my Siemens S55 (GPRS over IrDA).
Things we have fixed recently:
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- "complicated" init strings are accpeted for pppconfig/pppdialer
this fix will really help me!
my mobile operator (T-Mobile in Czech Rep.) requires such "complicated" strings -- i was forced to play with config files a bit in 1.1.0 RC5...
so i would like to test it as well.
-bver
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I have a hope that when we get the next RC out we will have a IRC session where everybody with hardware related problems can join in and we will try and fix the hardware related problem one after another.
And yes the release is comming even closer ask we speak :-)
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Great news for everyone - we have tweaked and tweaked ... and of course its going to be out before christmas as promised.
Things we have fixed recently:
Are you a strip-tease artist in your spare time (what spare time?!), Laze?
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Laze, if you're looking for a small network to do it on I know just the place.
Anyway, I would love being able to configure the jog wheel. As is, can it be used as a scroll wheel, or is that borderline impossible? I'm hoping it is at least an up/down arrow setup as opposed to left/right. Thanks for keeping us updated!
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Laze, if you're looking for a small network to do it on I know just the place.
Anyway, I would love being able to configure the jog wheel. As is, can it be used as a scroll wheel, or is that borderline impossible? I'm hoping it is at least an up/down arrow setup as opposed to left/right. Thanks for keeping us updated!
i hope they use jgrave's script to map the XMMS keys too
as well function to turn off the LCD
and use the jog wheel to select songs while LCD is off
my dream mp3 setup
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I've seen several people ask / request, but I've seen no answer:
Does the upcoming RC support the Ratoc USB host (CFU-1)?
Will USB mice / keyboards / etc work?
I sure hope so.
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I don't think so, as we have heard no recent news regarding it. Something about a binary driver, and so it won't work with the vfp.
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Hi @g33k and @omega,
Yes I would like to have a USB host cf card like ratoc or twin paradox ... but on the other side they all are very expensive (about 150 EURO) ... and I want to use them (most) only connecting a mass storage (like hd or digital camera ...) ...
... problems with drivers and NOT really fast because of usb 1.1 only ...
... about two weeks ago I read about a nice device ... ASUS WLAN-HDD 2.5 with many nice features ... reading details and only thinking a few moments then selling it for about 80 EURO without hd mine now with 60 GB)
Here are some links ...
PC Prossional Test (http://www.vnunet.de/testticker/Mobile/article.asp?ArticleID=20041116025&Ref=pc-pro)
ASUS product page for WL-HDD2.5 (http://www.asuscom.de/products/communication/wireless/wl-hdd25/overview.htm)
See some posts search with wl-hdd here on this forum ...
CrossPost 1 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9156&hl=wl-hdd)
Cross Post 2 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=8256&hl=wl-hdd)
It works great with Z c860 and pdaXrom 1.1.0 Kathrin RC5 ... :-)
Martin
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Martin, so if I understand you correctly, you can use this device, and a wifi card in the Z, to produce a USB host (with the added bonus of an ethernet port and an optional hard drive), but you'd need to modify the device's firmware to get it to act in this way? It would also need a separate power source (you could make a battery pack), but it is a lot cheaper than a USB host.
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... problems with drivers and NOT really fast because of usb 1.1 only ...
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me usb1.1 is 12Mbits while 801.11b is only 11Mbits (well ... let's say 5Mbits if you want to use wep) so ... will it really be faster than an usb 1.1 hd ? are the CF USB host cards so slow ? btw the driver problem still exist :/
also I don't think you can manage it to act as a usb host for your zaurus ... being able to import pictures from dgital cameras from it is still interesting but I dont see how you could manage to have an input device like a keyboard or so to work from it over a network ... thinking of installing a vnc client to make it take controll over your Z maybe ?
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Hi there
I'm going back to the initial purpose of this thread - Sorry if I catch up a bit late on this.
fyi, I am not using the unit as a pda for my daily work, so I am probably not typical. I dont care much about the UI as such, but others did extensively address this before.
I've been building some packages such as tcl/tk (the devel ipkg was nowhere to be found), tcpdump, and was planning to make rsync and cvs. I am also interested in audio/video tools such as vic and rat, videolan. Of interest to me is also linux-wlan-ng and I found in another thread that someone had ipkg'ed that already.
I tried both the cross-compiler and native sdk's. At this stage I would need a few enhancements if I was to improve my building rate.
- gdb not working (i.e. not triggering breakpoints) is a major drawback. I figured this was a known bug and really hope this is fixed by now.
- cross-compiling is way faster but still has annoying bugs. Apart for the usual configure specials that cannot run in x mode, I found out the cc1 frontend to generate x86 asembler instructions occasionally (when building tcpdump I encountered that on quite a few source files). When this happens I have to switch to the native toolchain, and for that rsync will be much helpful.
Getting a more extensive ipkg feed would be a great improvement for pdaxrom. btw, I would volunteer to package some of these softwares - and get a devel account if needed - if the current issues could be fixed.
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while we are talking about feeds, do you think it's possible to have something that indicates how much space a prog takes in the package manager ?
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I have to agree with Alan. Even better would be "available space" and "space that package (and dependencies) requires". Nothing more annoying than starting an install and finding that you have consumed your entire partition.
Hm, are we getting off subject? This thread seems to be digressing into "What I want in pdaXrom" more than "the new RC is almost out!".
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- gdb not working (i.e. not triggering breakpoints) is a major drawback. I figured this was a known bug and really hope this is fixed by now.
I reported this originally, and from the sounds of it they've got it fixed.
- cross-compiling is way faster but still has annoying bugs. Apart for the usual configure specials that cannot run in x mode, I found out the cc1 frontend to generate x86 asembler instructions occasionally (when building tcpdump I encountered that on quite a few source files). When this happens I have to switch to the native toolchain, and for that rsync will be much helpful.
The cross-compiler should *never* generate x86 instructions. It must be using the wrong compiler at some stage. It's not that 'cross compiling' in general has bugs, it's packages that were not written to be portable (ie: do stupid things with the autofoo tools, try to run binaries build in the make process, etc). Cross-compiling is a bit of an art at times
Personally, I'm really in favor of some of the packages that pdaxrom is using, and the general setup of the rom, but I much prefer openembedded as a build system over ptxdist (which is the base of pdaXrom's build system). Makes dealing with cross-compilation MUCH easier.
Dave
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Uhmm, back to original topic of the thread
Laze: How's it going? what's left to work on?
Christmas is fast approaching...
A brief update would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
Jerry
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gdb not working (i.e. not triggering breakpoints) is a major drawback. I figured this was a known bug and really hope this is fixed by now.
Definitively something I would like to see download and install. No way to debug applications on my Z or on the PC. On PC as on the device, the debug information are not handled correclty by gdb. Only way to fix bugs: browse source code with the eyes
So if someone have a solution, please tells me.
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Definitively something I would like to see download and install. No way to debug applications on my Z or on the PC. On PC as on the device, the debug information are not handled correclty by gdb. Only way to fix bugs: browse source code with the eyes unsure.gif
So if someone have a solution, please tells me.
Amrein: The solution that I used was to use the gdb server (it's already an ipk in the feed iirc). You need to build gdb for your desktop machine with arm as the 'target' architecture. Then, copy both the binary you want to debug and its source to your desktop. Run the gdb server on your zaurus to run the desired binary, then run gdb on your desktop machine and connect to the server (can't remember exact syntax, it's been awhile - check the gdb manpage).
Dave
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Sl-7500~~
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Sorry for no updates... I never said which christmas did i :-)
We have found some very strange bugs with input mapping and xmodmap etc.. We are trying to fix them as i write this or more correct Sash is while im eating pizza and drinking Coca-Cola and trying to recover from some serious headache that strangely came this morning (the day after a big christmas dinner)... Strange.
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Laze: Glad to know you're hard at work! Which Christmas were you referring to? (In other words, are we still going to get a new release for Christmas?)
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Sorry for no updates... I never said which christmas did i :-)
We have found some very strange bugs with input mapping and xmodmap etc.. We are trying to fix them as i write this or more correct Sash is while im eating pizza and drinking Coca-Cola and trying to recover from some serious headache that strangely came this morning (the day after a big christmas dinner)... Strange.
thanks for your hardwork
just wondering did you incorporate the jgrave's XMMS mapping in? as well as LCD off function?
cuz i thought that's a very great mp3 player functionality
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I have really enjoyed RC5, and like many can't wait for the next release.
Except, of course I'll have to.
But isn't that limbo thing a strange experience? Is there anyone like me who (not being bright enough to develop stuff) is left with a PDA that is almost there, but not quite, so it doesn't get used like perhaps it should?
In contrast, a couple of months ago I got an original Psion netbook off ebay. It is now the mainstay of my business life because it does everything I need my business PDA to do, and it is (I think, but do correct me if I am wrong) a closed book. The software is done, finished. Nothing to do but actually use it. And so much software for it too.
Just by way of contrast with the bleeding edge that is the pdaXrom for the Z, you understand. Now my Z is what I learn Linux on (slowly) and surf the net with when I feel the need to do it without turning on a PC/Mac or anything, and just to have fun. Kind of not-a-PDA. This ring any bells, folks?
Apart from the ramble, I do have a serious question. In my dabbling I have got into trying different window managers. I have tried fluxbox and fvwm. If the next release is after Xmas I shall probably try another. My reason for trying is not idle curiosity, though, as I suffered from the freeze on wake error with RC5 regularly, but not with the other window managers. Is this bug fixed in the forthcoming release? Hope so.
Finally, isn't it great to have a PDA (or whatever) where you know there's still new stuff round the corner?
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> Is there anyone like me who (not being bright enough to develop stuff) is left with a PDA that is almost there, but not quite, so it doesn't get used like perhaps it should?
Yeah, that's pretty much where I am. pdaXrom is really, really neat... but there are certain things that (at least in RC5) are missing, broken, or unreliable enough that I don't actually use my Zaurus nearly as much as I imagined I would when I bought it.
I lack the time - and in many cases, the knowledge - to fix stuff or figure stuff out myself. That leads to desperation and disappointment... all I can do at this point is donate money and hope things get better.
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Anybody notice how many views this topic has had? 15000+ at the moment... DANG!
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isn't that the day pdaXrom rc6/7 was initially due?
This remindes me of the DevNet days waiting for v3.10 rom for the 5500.
--webslngr
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hi all, I'm in need of your opinions: I've got a SL-C860, and have the possibility to sell it to buy a SL-3000.
Laze, how much time do you expect I'll have to wait for a first sl-3000 port?
Sharp rom frighten me...
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maybe you won't have the possibility to sell it no more when other roms will be out as everyone will then want a c3000 LOL ... more seriously it seem that cacko rom is near to hit the 3000 as maslovsky seem to be working on it so maybe on cacko 1.22 ? (please let me dream as I will receive my c3000 in a few day lol )
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Greetings everyone!
In the spirit of Christmas and true fraternal support of our Z- obsessions"let's try and give back a little to what pdaXrom does on merit alone".
I've got my wish list too! Man, do I hope the next release makes it soon but this isn't a mission critical event in my life and patience will allow a better first release than several patch/fixes down the road.
How many of you know what holiday stress compounded with demanding clients and deadlines are like? (I think all of you ) PdaXrom produce and develop to a very fickle crowd, we are a "herd of cats".
A nice budget boost to R&D for pdaXrom will always benefit our wish list and longevity of pdaXroms' work! (win-win)
Merry Christmas everyone.
lu
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An old assembly language joke, that I hope is not too relevant...
"If we assume that every program has at least one bug and can be optimized by a single instruction, then it can proven, using induction, that every program can be optimized to one single instruction, which, unfortunately, will be wrong."
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erh... hum hum,... it's not that i'm nervous, but ... it's 14:15 here in france, and we are on December the 23rd...
i suggest "Katherin" becomes "Rudolf" as it's going to be a foggy cristmas eve and as i hope it will guide Laze and Sash to our socks...
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Quick status update..
5-6 Beta testers have been playing with it now for 1-2 days are we are currently looking at their feedback right now..
Almost everything is looking good and we are hopefull that everything is going to be ready for release data..
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Might it be a good idea to do some preparations for the release.
Making ready for BitTorrent would be a good thing for instance.
There are a lot of people waiting with a lot of pent up energy to
get their pdaXrom and it would be a most unhappy day if the
distribution got all bogged down by bandwidth issues.
Charles Puffer
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are there any bittorrent servers left?
if you dl it from bittorrent, won't mpaa make you suffer?
sorry for ot.
Scott
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are there any bittorrent servers left?
if you dl it from bittorrent, won't mpaa make you suffer?
sorry for ot.
Scott
we're not ripping off movies...?
why would the mpaa care about us distributing our rom?
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are there any bittorrent servers left?
if you dl it from bittorrent, won't mpaa make you suffer?
sorry for ot.
Scott
we're not ripping off movies...?
why would the mpaa care about us distributing our rom?
I think you've been working too hard on the upcoming ROM and missed Scott's dry sense of humor.
Poor Scott, it's tough when no one gets you..
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I run a web site that will have its bandwidth reset in about seven days. I'd estimate I have about 30gb of bandwidth to spare. So, if you want me to host RC7, or to provide a mirror, just let me know.
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The bittorrent idea is a good one. I wanted to propose it too.
Just need a tracker (mean a server to handle the connections between peers) and a few users who won't close their client as soon as their download will end.
Just let us know when the ROM will be availalble. A little delay before the official annonce and ftp upload is enough.
I can't host the tracker because my ip is not static. If pdaXrom can't do it then I can create the bittorrent stream and its tracker but it will be tempory (two days max). Just ask.
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The bittorrent idea is a good one. I wanted to propose it too.
Just need a tracker (mean a server to handle the connections between peers) and a few users who won't close their client as soon as their download will end.
Just let us know when the ROM will be availalble. A little delay before the official annonce and ftp upload is enough.
I can't host the tracker because my ip is not static. If pdaXrom can't do it then I can create the bittorrent stream and its tracker but it will be tempory (two days max). Just ask.
you can use http://www.dyndns.org/ (http://www.dyndns.org/)
they have a free service that will allow your IP to be linked to a free domain link...it solves the problem of not having a static ip
http://www.dyndns.org/ (http://www.dyndns.org/)
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We have often talked about bittorrent - but there is no need for it so far.
If you guys success in putting down in the mirror1.pdaxrom.org we will look into it ;-)
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Sounds like a challenge!
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I have never setup a torrent, or managed one so I am not sure of the steps of the bandwidth requirments for the tracker.
As I understand it the tracker provides to information to the clients so they can communicate with each other. If we can find a sutable location to run the tracker. then we need to create a torrent file.
I it seems not to hard to create the file and setup the tracker.
I am going to setup a tracker for an old GTK game I wrote some time ago.
I will let you all know when I have it setup and we will see if a few people can download it.
You don't have to make it work just down load it.
From there I think I can figure out how to setup for pdaXrom and maybe if my system can run for a few days as the server. Of course if someone else can setup or even just host the tracker then things will be better.
Charles Puffer
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Bittorrent is very nice, but if as Laze says the ftp server is enough for the moment, I don't really see the interest...
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The new rom must be in the path. To prepare the bittorrent file related to the_new_rom.tar.gz (mean to create the_new_rom.tar.gz.torrent):
export MY_TRACKER_IP=pdaxrom.org
export MY_TRACKER_IP_PORT=6969
cd ~/www.pdaxrom.org
btmakemetafile.py the_new_rom.tar.gz http://$MY_TRACKER_IP:$MY_TRACKER_IP_PORT/announce
Then run the tracker on www.pdaxrom.org. This tracker doesn't need to host any file. It's a client list manager in fact.
bttrack.py --port $MY_TRACKER_IP_PORT --dfile dstate > logfile &
Now need a first bittorrent client with the file completely downloaded (mean a seed). So on the PC where you already have the_new_rom.tar.gz run this command:
btdownloadgui.py the_new_rom.tar.gz.torrent --saveas ~/www.pdaxrom.org/the_new_rom.tar.gz &
Now you can share the_new_rom.tar.gz.torrent with other people. Their client will connect to your tracker and will download the file from your seed. As long as there will still be seeds or that all parts of the file will be on the network, people will be able to complete their download.
Hoping that I haven't make a mistake in my previous instructions.
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I think you've been working too hard on the upcoming ROM and missed Scott's dry sense of humor.
Poor Scott, it's tough when no one gets you..
j -- welcome to my life, sometimes though, I think it's just me.
I have a server that I just upgraded (for free) to 2000GB a month.
I have about 120GB of space to offer as well. If it's not illegal and
you want it on the net, just let me know.
Scott
ps: I get 500KB/sec from the site direct to my zaurus w/ wifi.
pps: the site is in texas.
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I think its working now. ( thanks amrein)
If someone could try grabbing the torrent (PuzzleSquare-0.1.tar.bz2.torrent) for PuzzleSquare from my web page (www.red-belt.org) and then downloading it using BitTorrent.
If it all ends up not being needed well, I still know more than I did before :-)
Charles Puffer
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I got your download, so the torrent is working. Even if downloads don't crash the pdaXrom site, they can proceed a lot more quickly overall if distributed using bittorrent as long as enough people leave their connections open for a day or two to let others continue to download. So it seems worth a try to me.
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Quick status update..
Im "stuck" at my moms house here for christmas and i was hopening that her broadband connection would work - but its down so im stuck on dial-up. Im working on getting it to work but i can't download the entire ipk feed, rom and developer iso etc on 56k - that would be completed downloading in the new year - so hopefully im getting home tomorrow and can use my 2mbit instead which should be better :-) The biggest problem is that its snowing like mad here in Denmark so it might going to be hard to get home but i will do my best - a little bit of snow is not going to be the cause for the finally delay :-)
So once again im begging for some patience..
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I'll be at my Mom's house in Texas by then, so I hope her broadband works. . . .
All the best for the holidays.
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I'm in Vancouver Canada, broadband works fine, checking it every 10 minutes, but wish it would snow.
Merry X-Mas everyone
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OK I think I can host the torrent from here for a week or so. If nobody with a thicker pipe is willing. Of course that will not help the snowed in Laze. Who should take a deep breath and enjoy family and snow (will maybe not the snow).
As soon as I can get copies of the files parts I will create torrents and put the files up on my web site. I will run my tracker and downloader for as long as I can stand it. (or untill number of downloads drops off)
Please keep your down loaders running for as long as you can the power of BitTorrent is the the power of the community.
Charles Puffer
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Well if you are stuck, don't lose your hair with all the worries.
Try to enjoy the time off
Merry Christmas to you all.
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Laze,
Don't sweat it!.
Enjoy your christmas you don't need to be working over the holiday and you certainly don't need to deliver a rom on christmas day. Snow or no snow, Take a day off have a few beers and take your time. If it's snowing them go sledging build a snowman
Only the die hard few will be flashing a rom on their Zaurus rather than having fun anyway.
Peter
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Enjoy your christmas you don't need to be working over the holiday and you certainly don't need to deliver a rom on christmas day.
Peter is totaly right ! Enjoy your christmas day, Laze, say hello to your mom for us, and just relax ! we sure can wait for some more days !
Merry christmas to all of you and nothing but the the best !
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Merry Christmas to all of you!
Cheers!
Mike
PS: Almost 19,000 views at this thread. Wow!
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I'll be at my Mom's house in Texas by then, so I hope her broadband works. . . .
All the best for the holidays.
and they're getting snow in houston...
see, just like denmark.
well, ok, maybe not.
Scott
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Well... new pdaXrom on Boxing day...
may be it's a good thing..