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General Forums => Off Topic forum => Topic started by: loopy29 on February 02, 2005, 03:09:43 pm
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Please take a look at this post at engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090030074/ (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090030074/)
Pro's:
-full keyboard
-VGA swivel screen (apart from the Z, I think this is the first example...)
-worlwide support probably
-Wifi, bluetooth AND gsm/gprs/umts
-looks pretty nice
Con's:
-No linux (Yet...?)
-No built in HD like the 3000
What are your thoughts?
I must say I applaud this effort. This hardware form factor is perfect for PDA/communicator form. Most importantly, you will be able to buy it in Europe and the US and receive support!
(Actually I was ready to order a sl-3000 some hours ago, but this made me doubt again...)
I must say, this is the device the openembedded/pdaXrom/... people should be targetting. I do believe this is a major blow to Sharp...
Edit: More negatives: no CF and not available for some months (available summer 2005 - first rumor was first half 2005, now July/August 2005)
best regards,
Jan
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Specs look great, shame the unit looks so ugly (From the linked photos, in my opinion). Also, doesent look like the keyboard will be as good (Maybe a bit small for 4 finger typing), but will have to wait and see.
Probably very expensive, as it's a full decent PDA with phone too. looks thin, be interesting to see how it is compared to the Z when it comes out.
Very interesting, could be great!
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Ugh. Can't wait for the viruses to hit that thing. Also, good luck getting an alternate OS on any cellular networked device. They'd never allow anything other than the ones they specifically approve.
Anyhow, I perfer my phones small, thin and simple, and my PDAs running linux.
-T
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Please take a look at this post at engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090030074/ (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090030074/)
Pro's:
-full keyboard
-VGA swivel screen (apart from the Z, I think this is the first example...)
-worlwide support probably
-Wifi, bluetooth AND gsm/gprs/umts
-looks pretty nice
Con's:
-No linux (Yet...?)
-No built in HD like the 3000
What are your thoughts?
I must say I applaud this effort. This hardware form factor is perfect for PDA/communicator form. Most importantly, you will be able to buy it in Europe and the US and receive support!
(Actually I was ready to order a sl-3000 some hours ago, but this made me doubt again...)
I must say, this is the device the openembedded/pdaXrom/... people should be targetting. I do believe this is a major blow to Sharp...
Edit: More negatives: no CF and not available for some months (available summer 2005 - first rumor was first half 2005, now July/August 2005)
best regards,
Jan
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Not as robust as the SL-C3000 but definitely a big step up for most who are carrying both a phone and a Pocket PC/Palm device. Obviously targeting that tweener market that want a converged device that is equally as capable as a phone and pda. And the screen is large enough for decent video playback. I think it will sell well, I love my Z though.
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OS aside, I would buy this to replace my sidekick but no way would it replace my 760.
it doesn't sound like it will come to the states anytime soon, which is good as I'm hoping that over time they'll ditch MS for something better
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OS aside, I would buy this to replace my sidekick but no way would it replace my 760.
it doesn't sound like it will come to the states anytime soon, which is good as I'm hoping that over time they'll ditch MS for something better
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I think this should be placed in another forum speciafically deginated for this unit. After all, this forum is for "all things Z".
JK 8-P
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I think this should be placed in another forum speciafically deginated for this unit. After all, this forum is for "all things Z".
JK 8-P
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actually, you're right (finally! )... this should be in the off topic forum.
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The device is quite interesting. At least french people and other european members will be able to use a customised device with local language and keyboard.
The curves design is horrible. I hope that they will change this and use the form factor of last HP handhelds or the last Sony PalmOS device (the ones with black dress). The nokia 6260 design and colors are quite good too (it is more like a Yopy though).
Only way to insterest everyone: they need to release the spec + to add a linux rom. With both Windows Mobile + Linux ROM and with the present spec, they will certainly get a big market share (if they add MMC/SD-IO or/and CF).
There will always be "joe six packs" who won't be able to understand that the device is not a camera nor a videotape recorder nor a swiss knife nor a caffee machine... but as long as the device spec and software convince people, they don't care about stupid comments and know how to defend it.
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Has anyone else seen the announcement of this device (http://www.mobilegazette.com/t-mobile-mda-iv-preview.htm)? Ideas that have been raised in these forums about combining a Z with mobile phone/3G capability would presumably give you something like this. Is this the way of the future?
Screen resolution is the same as a clamshell Z. No idea about the processor or internal memory, but it does seem to have a card slot of some type. Shame about the OS.....
P.
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At first sight the keyboard looks like the type they used on the Nokia 9500 communicator. That would be a bad choice. I tried it and it felt like a toy. No feedback at all, keys not spaced apart, although it were seperate keys (I think), it felt more like a membrane type keyboard. I am just glad more producers are adopting the swivel screen/full keyboard design. That's the way to go. Maybe it will inspire others to do the same/improve on it.
And to the moderators: I really feel this is a zaurus related post, but of course you are free to move this thread wherever you want. (somebody else just started another one on this topic...) Off topic would be something like the American elections, or tsunami-related threads, but of course that'is just MHO.
Best regds,
Jan
edit: typo
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Cool. But if it's like other T-Mobile MDA phones, it won't be coming out in the US anytime soon. I swear, the United States is so frickin' behind on mobile phone technology....
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Has anyone else seen the announcement of this device (http://www.mobilegazette.com/t-mobile-mda-iv-preview.htm)? Ideas that have been raised in these forums about combining a Z with mobile phone/3G capability would presumably give you something like this. Is this the way of the future?
Screen resolution is the same as a clamshell Z. No idea about the processor or internal memory, but it does seem to have a card slot of some type. Shame about the OS.....
P.
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Yes, we have. loopy29 posted about it yesterday...
(I've merged the threads)
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Cool. But if it's like other T-Mobile MDA phones, it won't be coming out in the US anytime soon. I swear, the United States is so frickin' behind on mobile phone technology....
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I think the actual hardware is produced by a company called HTC. They sell it to a lot of operators/providers. I imagine it won't be any different with this device. Perhaps you can get it through one of the other resellers in the USA?
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Looks pretty cool! 3g + GSM triband, good screen... just have to wait for the linux port from Handhelds.org.
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5757.html (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5757.html)
snippet:
"Offering a glimpse of things to come, the German division of mobile network operator T-Mobile today unveiled the latest addition to its venerable line of Windows Mobile based communicators, the MDA IV. Following in the vein of its powerful predecessor, the MDA III, the MDA IV offers not only GSM, GPRS, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, but also adds support for WCDMA-based 3G.
A tri-band GSM 900/1800/1900 MHz, the MDA IV features one less band than its quad-band predecessor, but more than compensates for the fact by becoming the very first UMTS compatible communicator based on the Windows Mobile platform. Furthermore, the MDA IV is also the first communicator to sport a VGA display with a resolution of 480 x 640 pixels, and will be powered by a 520 MHz Intel XScale processor."
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Looks pretty cool! 3g + GSM triband, good screen... just have to wait for the linux port from Handhelds.org.
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5757.html (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5757.html)
snippet:
"Offering a glimpse of things to come, the German division of mobile network operator T-Mobile today unveiled the latest addition to its venerable line of Windows Mobile based communicators, the MDA IV. Following in the vein of its powerful predecessor, the MDA III, the MDA IV offers not only GSM, GPRS, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, but also adds support for WCDMA-based 3G.
A tri-band GSM 900/1800/1900 MHz, the MDA IV features one less band than its quad-band predecessor, but more than compensates for the fact by becoming the very first UMTS compatible communicator based on the Windows Mobile platform. Furthermore, the MDA IV is also the first communicator to sport a VGA display with a resolution of 480 x 640 pixels, and will be powered by a 520 MHz Intel XScale processor."
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3 other people have started a thead on the same topic... please search before posting!
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Why is my post about the MDA4 merged with something about an alternative sl-c6000? A little mistake?
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Still looking very nice I think.
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3584.html (http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3584.html)
I still think this is going to be the first real competitor for the sl-c series. Hardware wise it might even surpass it.
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Update:
http://www.godmode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5362#5362 (http://www.godmode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5362#5362)
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in some close shots, the mda IV looks so cheesy, so plastic. I hope HTC improve on their built quality and body materials and finishing.
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They present device design is certainly an outline design. Color, spec and appearance will change with advice from users/reviewers and sketch and choice from internal designer.
This device miss 2 buttons or more. At least OK & CANCEL. They must be on the screen to be able to use the device without keyboard (for answering, selecting contact, hanging up, taking pictures, browsing phone menu...).
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Lotsa pics. The HTC universal in black...
http://www.eprice.com.tw/news/?news_id=2913 (http://www.eprice.com.tw/news/?news_id=2913)
I am starting to like this more and more. OK, it looks plasticky, but in a good way, in a rubbery plasticky way.
And I like the specs. Connectivity galore, videoconferencing, qwerty keyboard... I'm seriously going to follow this one.
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Lotsa pics. The HTC universal in black...
http://www.eprice.com.tw/news/?news_id=2913 (http://www.eprice.com.tw/news/?news_id=2913)
I am starting to like this more and more. OK, it looks plasticky, but in a good way, in a rubbery plasticky way.
And I like the specs. Connectivity galore, videoconferencing, qwerty keyboard... I'm seriously going to follow this one.
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So did anyone buy one then? They are now available in the UK. I would love to know if it is worth taking the plunge. I am not sure that I could. I use the pdaXrom at the moment and it makes my Z so much like a mini laptop that I am not sure I could go for any other sort of experience. Of course I am tempted by the connectivity offered by the MDA IV/PRO, but that has to be balanced by the straight jacket of a 'branded' Windows OS (ugh!)...
Anyone able to direct me? As I don't think I could justify having both.
Thanks
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The Qtek 9000 and 9100 are very amazing ( http://www.qtek.fr (http://www.qtek.fr) ). I tested a 9100 because I've got a friend with one. He was playing with his device instead of working ;-).
The 9100 is so small... Amazing !!! I will perhaps bye one. I need a good smartphone. The 9000 is even better but I haven't been able to " play " with one.
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I hate this commonality in design of every device which is third-party manufactured by HTC.
Now every vendor from T-Mobile, HP, O2 and now this QTek think and I dont know how many more I have seen - all of them have the same base design and looks as this HTC MDA thingy and all look the same - only branded as a different device and a few buttons more or less in each of them, a better keyboard feel in some and such like.
This is like Design Communism - all vendors have the same spawned design in hardware.
How about bringing in some creativity and making them lok apart - like the Zaurus is ?
Just my feeling on this MDA thing.
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This is like Design Communism - all vendors have the same spawned design in hardware.
How about bringing in some creativity and making them lok apart - like the Zaurus is ?
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I couldn't resist. I have bought a 9000 yesterday . I'm communist ?
The best device I have ever seen and used so far. For the first time, I like an MS device. Very amazing !!!
Someone want to buy my Zaurus SL-C760 ? I leave in Paris (France). 350 euros.
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The best device I have ever seen and used so far. For the first time, I like an MS device. Very amazing !!!
Can you sync over wireless? Can you setup an encrypted pipe to a machine you own?
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Can you sync over wireless? Can you setup an encrypted pipe to a machine you own?
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Does embedded windows..or whatever they call it these.. days run putty?
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Can you sync over wireless? Can you setup an encrypted pipe to a machine you own?
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Does embedded windows..or whatever they call it these.. days run putty?
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You can sync over Wifi and bluetooth, and it should work through the cellular network as well, if you set up everything correctly. I believe it sets up a VPN between the device and the desktop when you sync over the internet.
There is an alpha version of Putty for Windows Mobile/Windows CE here: [a href=\"http://pocketputty.duxy.net/]http://pocketputty.duxy.net/[/url]
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hmmmm
size weight and screen of a c series. less storage. wince.
does cacko or pdax support a gprs cf card? a 3100 with such a card and a bt headset would be a better setup for approx the same weight
I think, in the end, that Open source is important to me, and I couldn't buy this on those grounds. But more generally, I'd rather have a small phone (with bt ) and a powerful handheld. Think Communicator and Tricorder if it helps.
Rather than increasing the size/weight/power consumption of a phone to make it do non phone related things (qvga or even smaller is ok for video-conferencing unless you are doing surgery..then vga is far too small anyway) or decreasing the size or power of a handheld computer to make it a better phone, I, contrary to most of North America, am happy with divergent devices in this respect. If there is some crossover functionality, fine.. but I think there are 2 purposes that would be best served by 2 devices.
Of course, I think the pim stuff belongs first on the phone, then on one's various comupters.
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This device has the hardware specification that most Zaurus users dreamed of. All is there!
The harddrive is missing ? CF port too ? My SD 1Go is enough for me and I didn't want to bring a stone.
Previous MS embedded OS was really crapy. This one is quite cool. Not perfect but this time they have begun to think about everyday users needs. I can't leave without it (I'm addicted ?)
Run Linux on it ? Why not ? GPE, OPIE, Qtopia, pdaXrom ? I would miss to much thing at present. Between "closed open source" and "official closed source" software, well I vote for a working device. If it was Qtopia Phone, it would have been the same isn't it? Well perhaps not. I can install software and build mine with real RAD, even run/debug them in an emulator...
The only very stable rom I ever found for my Zaurus SL-C760 is the Sharp one. The Zaurus are still good device but I wanted an easy and powerful smartphone and now I've got one. I know what I lose, I know what I earn.
Have fun with your own choice. Just be happy
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And still nobody for my SL-C760? It's a good device. Well
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You can sync over Wifi
They took out wifi desktop sync out, last I heard.
wince.
Windows mobile, not CE.
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You can sync over Wifi
They took out wifi desktop sync out, last I heard.
wince.
Windows mobile, not CE.
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LMAO.
True.... but since I use neither, a purely academic distinction
Is there really a difference?
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You can sync over Wifi
They took out wifi desktop sync out, last I heard.
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Specific to this handheld, or Windows Mobile 5.0?
You can sync over Wifi
They took out wifi desktop sync out, last I heard.
wince.
Windows mobile, not CE.
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LMAO.
True.... but since I use neither, a purely academic distinction
Is there really a difference?
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The Windows CE name is used for a kernel and an operating system. Windows CE the OS is far more Desktop Windows like than Pocket PC/Windows Mobile, with a full task bar, more capable version of Pocket IE, and is not bundled with an as restrictive license as Windows Mobile. Windows Ce the kernel is the kernel used by many MS devices, including Windows Mobile based devices.
Of course, neither Windows CE nor Windows Mobile should be confused with Windows Embedded, which is a slimmed down version(both kernel and applictions) of Windows 2000 or XP.