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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => C1000/3x00 General discussions => Topic started by: mikew on February 25, 2005, 10:46:03 am
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Japanese dealer says he is expecting a new model in March, according to a French site, try the link http://www.akihabaranews.com/index.php?cat=4 (http://www.akihabaranews.com/index.php?cat=4)
Mike
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Interesting...
On the same news page they also have a story about Sony killing off the Clie in Japan, which contains a mention of the Z and Buffalo, manufacturer of WiFi cards (their English translation):
Sony kills Clie, even in Japan!
Well, it seems that the rumours have become reality, and after throwing the towel in Europe and the States, the Japanese giant decided to stop the production of its last Clie models (VZ90 and TH55) in July 2005. Impress has the dirt on this story, and they say that the PSP will fill up the gap. Impress makes it clear at the end of their article that Sony will focus on the PSP and mobile phones… so will we have a PDAphone soon in Japan?
The PDA market becomes a lot more dull all of a sudden, as Sony had a nice share of the market. PDA’s powered by PocketPC are present on the market thanks to HP and Toshiba (which is the only brand present in the Japanese press concerning this), and there also is the Sharp Zaurus, but that has some problems too as Buffalo, the company that makes the WiFi Compact Flash cards for the Zaurus, has decided to call it quits too, and new owners of a Zaurus will not be able to get WiFi on their devices anymore.
If manufacturers like Nintendo start offering PDA functions on their devices, and if Sony offers a browser and basic PIM functionality on the PSP, there will no longer be any PDA’s in Japan very soon.
They also mention Hitachi's new 6GB microdrive.
And here's their English translation of the Z item:
Rumors: We may have a New Zaurus?
BE CAREFUL, THIS IS UNCONFIRMED INFORMATION: I talked to a retailer on the phone this morning, who told me that there COULD be a new Zaurus in March. Of course, no news from Sharp, so WAIT & SEE.
This new device could be a logical evolution of the line-up (Zaurus 3000 and 860), because there is not one Sharp PDA with Wireless LAN functionality and it’s no longer possible to get WiFi cards for these existing Zaurus models in Japan.
I find it interesting that they think users in Japan won't be able to get WiFi cards for the Z anymore in Japan because of Buffalo going belly-up. There are plenty of other vendors of WiFi cards. Surely the Japanese could at least import some?
I hope they're correct though about Sharp adding WiFi to the new Z because of this (or for any reason, for that matter!).
I would also guess that the new Z would use the new 6GB microdrive.
This would then be a compelling upgrade for many C860/760 users, I think: built-in WiFi; 6GB microdrive; and USB host. I may have to get the checkbook out myself.
~ray
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You see, I told you all this would happen... I ordered my C860 yesterday, and now there are rumours of a new model with WiFi Doh!
Mattt
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This would be a very compelling upgrade....
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Count me in on that upgrade, this is what I've been waiting for. I hope this means that Sharp will expand the Zaurus line to fill the void left by Sony leaving the marketplace. Several new Zaurii in various configurations: wifi built-in; wifi & bt; bt only.... you get the picture.
Does anyone know what share of the handheld market Sony has in Japan? I hope Sharp moves agressively to fill the void and increase their dominance in Japan. The stronger they are the better chance we have of getting upgraded Z's more frequently.
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Yep. I bought a temporary pocket pc for this very reason. I hope it is worth the pain.....
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BTW this may also be related.
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...c=10794&hl=3100 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10794&hl=3100)
It talks about a possible sl-c3100.
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Wifi seems unlikely to me. It really isn't used very much in Japan. A few cafes have them - and people have wifi networks at home of course - but it's no use on the trains! Everyone has these PHS data cards, which run on a monthy subscription and (usually) can swap from pda to laptop etc...so are also unlikely to be bundled with a Z.
Just a guess though.
James
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Wifi seems unlikely to me. It really isn't used very much in Japan. A few cafes have them - and people have wifi networks at home of course - but it's no use on the trains! Everyone has these PHS data cards, which run on a monthy subscription and (usually) can swap from pda to laptop etc...so are also unlikely to be bundled with a Z.
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I used to have a PHS card (both AirH" and @FreeD)... neither worked worth a darn on the trains, at least not in the area that I live in (near Nagoya).
A lot of Japanese Zaurus users have been hoping for WiFi, as well.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Buffalo Technology is not going belly up. They may (although i haven't heard this elsewhere) stop making WiFi cards but they are still very much in business.
Interesting...
On the same news page they also have a story about Sony killing off the Clie in Japan, which contains a mention of the Z and Buffalo, manufacturer of WiFi cards (their English translation):
Sony kills Clie, even in Japan!
Well, it seems that the rumours have become reality, and after throwing the towel in Europe and the States, the Japanese giant decided to stop the production of its last Clie models (VZ90 and TH55) in July 2005. Impress has the dirt on this story, and they say that the PSP will fill up the gap. Impress makes it clear at the end of their article that Sony will focus on the PSP and mobile phones… so will we have a PDAphone soon in Japan?
The PDA market becomes a lot more dull all of a sudden, as Sony had a nice share of the market. PDA’s powered by PocketPC are present on the market thanks to HP and Toshiba (which is the only brand present in the Japanese press concerning this), and there also is the Sharp Zaurus, but that has some problems too as Buffalo, the company that makes the WiFi Compact Flash cards for the Zaurus, has decided to call it quits too, and new owners of a Zaurus will not be able to get WiFi on their devices anymore.
If manufacturers like Nintendo start offering PDA functions on their devices, and if Sony offers a browser and basic PIM functionality on the PSP, there will no longer be any PDA’s in Japan very soon.
They also mention Hitachi's new 6GB microdrive.
And here's their English translation of the Z item:
Rumors: We may have a New Zaurus?
BE CAREFUL, THIS IS UNCONFIRMED INFORMATION: I talked to a retailer on the phone this morning, who told me that there COULD be a new Zaurus in March. Of course, no news from Sharp, so WAIT & SEE.
This new device could be a logical evolution of the line-up (Zaurus 3000 and 860), because there is not one Sharp PDA with Wireless LAN functionality and it’s no longer possible to get WiFi cards for these existing Zaurus models in Japan.
I find it interesting that they think users in Japan won't be able to get WiFi cards for the Z anymore in Japan because of Buffalo going belly-up. There are plenty of other vendors of WiFi cards. Surely the Japanese could at least import some?
I hope they're correct though about Sharp adding WiFi to the new Z because of this (or for any reason, for that matter!).
I would also guess that the new Z would use the new 6GB microdrive.
This would then be a compelling upgrade for many C860/760 users, I think: built-in WiFi; 6GB microdrive; and USB host. I may have to get the checkbook out myself.
~ray
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True to a rumor on 2ch, it would appear that a new Zaurus - C1000 - is being released. Someone has posted pictures of an advert pamphlet for it. If you want to have a look, grab the file reds2708.zip from http://www.urawa-reds.org/up/upload.cgi (http://www.urawa-reds.org/up/upload.cgi)
Realize that these photos could be fake, but the manual details do not match any existing Zaurus.
Basically, it appears to be a C3000 without a hard drive and with more flash. Oh, and a black top, ala C750.
The 2ch rumor is claiming that an official announcement will be made later today.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Seems like a C3000 with a Black top indeed
Specs :
PXA 270 | 416 MhZ
640x480 3.7 " screen (no 4 inch like the 6000)
128 MB | 63 MB | 52 MB | SDRAM 64MB
SD x 1 and CF (doesnt say in English) Type II x 1
USB (dont know wether host or not) | IRDA 115 kbps
Battery EA-BL11
Thats as far as I could read out of the Japanese specs (apart from heightxwidth info)
There is a 278 number below the physical size specs line - what is that referring to ?
Its strange that theres no HDD built in like the C3000 - this seems like a downgrade - maybe a cheaper version.
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nilch: 278 grams
Considering the model number, this seems to be an upgrade to the C7/8x0 series.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Hmmm....I wonder what trisoft will say about this. If it is cheaper than the 3000, it will be very attractive to me.
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Official news release: http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/050311-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/050311-a.html)
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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is there a japanese translater forn us ??????
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is there a japanese translater forn us ??????
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=70117\")
try babelfish [a href=\"http://babelfish.altavista.com]http://babelfish.altavista.com[/url]
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crap.. I've been itching to get the 3000 for some time now... and I was just getting to the point of talking myself into buying a gift for myself for becoming obsolete
I can't tell if I'd like the new 1000 better or not... especially since it looks like it doesn't have a HD.
hmm... I guess I'm off to email dynamism to see how quickly they will be getting them...
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if only they could have squeezed in a 2nd cf slot....
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Doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade to anything. Is it going to be cheaper than the 860 (currently around 45,000Y)? Surely not.
James
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It seems the price is still listed as open, but some articles have been stating around 50,000Y. It goes on sale next Friday (3/18).
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Well, I just got off the phone with their public relations department (can't wait to see what it costs to call japan on my cell ), and the guy I spoke with couldn't confirm if the unit had a hard drive. He said that it has "more than 80 mb of space". Granted, I don't speak Japanese and he said that he didn't really understand the "hard drive" question.
Anyway, he asked me to email him and he would get a technical person to try and respond.
If the new z comes in at 50,000 yen, then that's only about US$480... so based on that price I wouldn't say it's necessarily an upgrade to the 3000.
hmm.... so much to obsess over... so little time
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Google translates japanese to english, try this link:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sharp.co.jp%2Fcorporate%2Fnews%2F050311-a.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)
If that doesn't work go here:
http://www.google.com/language_tools (http://www.google.com/language_tools)
select japanese to english, paste this link http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/050311-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/050311-a.html) there
Hope that helps
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No, no hard drive.
Again, this would basically appear to be an update to the C7/8x0 line... perhaps a way to bring it up-to-date with the C3000 (C3x00 line?).
In fact, many of the Japanese Z fans are thinking it's only worth getting if you have a C700. The only added benefit may be that it has a USB port, which means it might have USB host (given that it appears to be a C3000 minus HDD). That, and it includes some newer software (such as Sharp's train/subway schedule program).
I'll wait. I'm still hoping for the C3100.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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well the pamphlet seems pretty clear to me. 64mb of sdram and then 128mb for storage just like the 860/760. Like it was said earlier, USB host would be one more tangible reasons to upgrade as well as the D-Pad and the CPU. I wonder if it does not have the HDD, does that mean it is slightly smaller than the 3000?
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bluedevils:
Same dimensions, 20 grams lighter.
Apparently a microdrive weighs 20 grams? ^^)
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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make me wonder.... if ya popped the top would there be a cf connector inside? where the microdrive is on the 3k? That might be interesting.
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check this out
http://ascii24.com/news/i/hard/article/200...654713-000.html (http://ascii24.com/news/i/hard/article/2005/03/11/654713-000.html)
comparing c1000 and c3000
c860 also discontinued
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The new model, SL-C1000, which goes on sale in Japan on 18 March is identical to the SL-C3000 except it does not have the 4GB HD. I expect that it will retail for about $200 lower than the SL-C3000. All the other specs are the same. However, it weighs slightly less, and its dimensions are slightly smaller than the SL-C3000.
Although Sharp is expected to release a SL-C3100 sometime in the future (based on the fact that the Photostorage program includes a reference to this model), there has been no formal announcement.
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make me wonder.... if ya popped the top would there be a cf connector inside? where the microdrive is on the 3k? That might be interesting.
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em...if this is true, it's like an internal upgradable hdd. Win hands down over 3k or 3.1k if the specs are the same.
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make me wonder.... if ya popped the top would there be a cf connector inside? where the microdrive is on the 3k? That might be interesting.
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Hi,
you won't find a connector for a microdrive. This is a flash based machine.
The C1000 will just fill the gap the SL-C860 left in the Zaurus line.
Price will be a bit higher than the SL-C860 actually is and it is a good choice
for all the people that feel not really comfortable carrying a PDA with a HD.
///TRIsoft
Marc Stephan
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Looking at the specs (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/slc1000_spec.html) it's most definitely an 860 upgrade.... new case and 416hz PXA270.
The specs do seem to hint that it has a USB host port. If you babelfish this page and compare the specs under 'Connected Terminal' the devicew lists the usual stuff like Infrared, I/O Port, Communication adapter terminal (CF slot?) then USB port (the 860 page lists the others and not the USB).
Furthermore if it shares a lot of the chipset with the 3000 isn't it more likely to be USB host ? - I thought I saw a posting that said something about companion chipsets for this range of processors offering this feature as standard... not sure... KOPSIS: do know anything about this????
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What is great is that since it uses the case from C3000, there is still a room inside because microdrive is missing! This means that a bluetooth or wifi can probably be installed inside and possibly connected to the second CF connector (if it's there). A dream of Zarus with built-in wireless coming true?
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What is great is that since it uses the case from C3000, there is still a room inside because microdrive is missing! This means that a bluetooth or wifi can probably be installed inside and possibly connected to the second CF connector (if it's there). A dream of Zarus with built-in wireless coming true?
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I'm not sure this is likely... we need to wait for the dissect pics.
I think it's probable that Sharp would have omitted the CF connector from the board assembly. + I don't know of any BT or WIFI cards that are exactly the same size as a CF storage card, they all seem to be slightly larger with the hope of placing the antenna outside the casing.. this may also hint that putting a card inside the case may not give you good reception.
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Dissection pictures will be very interesting. A second internal slot, even if it can't be used for wireless connectivity, would be very interesting.
That being said, I don't hold much hope. I fully expect blank solderpads where the internal connection would be in a 3000. If they bring the 1000 in as cheaply as expected then they aren't going to waste money on an unused CF connector.
I really wish the 3000 was the black one! I'd vastly prefer the black 1000 case to the white 3000, but I can't pass up the internal hard drive!
At least it'll come early enough for us to get some details on it before I have to buy mine - my mule is heading over to Japan on the 25th so I have to make a decision as to which one to buy by then. I fully expect that it'll be a 3000.
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I’m beginning to wonder now if the reference to SL-C3100 in the photo storage app might not be a typo for SL-C1000? The rumour was that the announcement would be made in March and this is possibly it.
As things stand, the 4gb with C3000 makes it the attractive option for me. A definitive statement from Sharp would be helpful so that I can place an order.
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So, what's the deal with rom images? Is it at all likely that the pdaxrom or oz builds will work out of the box with this hardware, or will more development have to be done.
I'm guessing the hardware has more in common with the C3000 rather than the c860.
Harry.
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hQuin,
No it's likely that PDAXROM and current Cacko will not work on any of the new hardware that Sharp are bringing out.
For a start the ATI W100 is out of production so the SL-C860 etc. are all out of production. The new units just use the PXA270 to do all the grunt work.
All current ROMs need some rework if they have ATI W100 dependencies... + there's a lot of new stuff to support and a new Kernel base to start working with (Lineo 2.4.20 (spit)).
I have a feeling that we will start seeing some new ROMs soon though.
- Andy
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So, what's the deal with rom images? Is it at all likely that the pdaxrom or oz builds will work out of the box with this hardware, or will more development have to be done.
I'm guessing the hardware has more in common with the C3000 rather than the c860.
Harry.
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I'd say your guess would be correct. Let's just hope it will work with anything that appears for the C3000 as that would certainly encourage development in that direction.
The C860 is still the best choice when it comes to ROM support.
Cheers
Marc
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What is great is that since it uses the case from C3000, there is still a room inside because microdrive is missing! This means that a bluetooth or wifi can probably be installed inside and possibly connected to the second CF connector (if it's there). A dream of Zarus with built-in wireless coming true?
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I'm not sure this is likely... we need to wait for the dissect pics.
I think it's probable that Sharp would have omitted the CF connector from the board assembly. + I don't know of any BT or WIFI cards that are exactly the same size as a CF storage card, they all seem to be slightly larger with the hope of placing the antenna outside the casing.. this may also hint that putting a card inside the case may not give you good reception.
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Even if connector is missing, it can probably be added. Socket Bluetooth card is exactly the same size as storage card. Also, Symbol and Socket WiFi cards are quite small and might fit. Finaly, CF card case can be removed and only the board itself added, which should be smaller.
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What I can say regarding ROM supprot is that the new Cacko ROM is more likely to appear for the C1000 than C3000 simply because: I like C1000 more (it's black! , it's cheeper, I already have a microdrive and it has layout similar to current Zaurus models, which means easier transition.
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What I can say regarding ROM supprot is that the new Cacko ROM is more likely to appear for the C1000 than C3000 simply because: I like C1000 more (it's black! , it's cheeper, I already have a microdrive and it has layout similar to current Zaurus models, which means easier transition.
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Well that has made my choice easier!
I've been holding back to see where Cacko goes next!
Cheers
Marc
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Maslovsky
Thanks for making your opinion known, that actually puts quite a different perspective on it. I shall go with the model that gets Cacko ROM support.
Can you keep us informed when you purchase?
BTW, more info here
http://ezaurus.com/ (http://ezaurus.com/)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/index.html#slc1000 (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/index.html#slc1000)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/index.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/index.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/01.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/01.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/02.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/02.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/03.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/03.html)
IMHO it does look better in black
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What I can say regarding ROM supprot is that the new Cacko ROM is more likely to appear for the C1000 than C3000 simply because: I like C1000 more (it's black! , it's cheeper, I already have a microdrive and it has layout similar to current Zaurus models, which means easier transition.
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Oh Man!, I'm sensing that you have a bit of a downer over the SL-C3000.
That's a shame, when you start to look at the file system model then it's not too much of a challenge to put the zimage/initrd in flash and the rest on the HDD.
Ah well, if you are keen to work on th SL-C1000 as a unit then I guess that the Kernel build and patch set is likely to be similar to the SL-C3000 (and be based on that 2.4.20 Lineo cr@p)) so it may not be too hard to port to a 3000....
I thought I saw you PM'ing someone who was selling their 3K Anton, have you gone right off the idea now?
- Andy
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Mas, I'm going to make a new thread about the C-1000, mind re-posting your info in there?
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Well I had been lusting for a new Zaurus for some time (since I made up my mind to sell off my 6000), and the C3000 was too pricey for one.
The 4 GB HDD isnt that much of a attarctive option for me - rather I want to go for the black looks of the C1000 (i had gotten a C750 over a C760 for that reason), and now Cacko support for the C1000 - thats it, my decision is sealed.
My only little grouse left with Sharp is that they didnt make the screen a 4 incher like the 6000's. The USB host is what makes me want a C1000 over my C750 now and of course a better faster processor and memory.
I think Sharp made a wise decision with this upgrade from C860 and downgrade from C3000, whichever way you look at it - in that most people want the USB host features on a PDA and that itself gives you the capacity for extra storage space in terms of add-on USB memory sticks or external HDD's etc, while not many may want carryable 4 GB HDD (seriuosly if you can want and use 4GB on a PDA (or mobile tool), then you might very soon need a 10 GB, and then what ?) on a PDA. At lkeast that the way I was looking at it.
Now for the ROM upgrades - I guess with the C860 line being over - the natural way for ROM evolution to go is with the C1000/3000 line now.
Lastly, while Japan lusts after these devices like anything (there's been a continous feed of hardware upgrades in Japan), why cant the US and Europe not savvy up to these smart devices ? Seriously, my coworkers in my office have seen my C750 and wow-wow-ed it like anything and then they go and buy a Palm, cause they cant seem to look beyond being spoon-fed with ready tailor made commonality, and of course won't buy from Japan, since theres no support (though I dont ever know what kind of support they get on their Palms apart from when they break their Palm's).
I wish.... ahhh let that be. Sharp aint listening.
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Chill out guys, there will be a Cacko ROM for C3000 anyway, but simply after the one for C1000. In fact with the new model released, the new ROM is even closer because it's much more likely that I'll buy it. The main reason is that C3000's price was beyond the limit I could allow myself to spend on a toy (we all agree that Zaurus are toys for big boys, don't we . C1000 price is much more resonable, considering that I already have 4Gb microdrive. And have I mentioned that it's black?
Whenever a Cacko Rom for C1000 is out it will only be a matter of little efforts to port it to C3000. And I won't have to buy one, I should be able to just loan it for some time.
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Made the new thread:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11254 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11254)
Could you guys use that instead?