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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => C1000/3x00 General discussions => Topic started by: ev1l on March 11, 2005, 10:12:18 am
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It looks like Sharp wants a cheaper alternative to the 3000, which makes sense given that the C-860 has been dicontinued.
Sharp product page (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/index.html#slc1000)
The all important specs (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/slc1000_spec.html)
(it seems a but thinner than the SL-C3000. It has the same specs as the C860, but a larger ROM: 128MB vs 64MB, and will probably have USB host capability).
Rebski found more links:
http://ezaurus.com/ (http://ezaurus.com/)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/index.html#slc1000 (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/index.html#slc1000)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/index.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/index.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/01.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/01.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/02.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/02.html)
http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/03.html (http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/slc1000/03.html)
What I can say regarding ROM supprot is that the new Cacko ROM is more likely to appear for the C1000 than C3000 simply because: I like C1000 more (it's black! , it's cheeper, I already have a microdrive and it has layout similar to current Zaurus models, which means easier transition.
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=70191
Let me know if I've missed anything.
To me it looks like an incremetal upgrade to my C-860. Apart from the cool new color and a whole 16mhz improvement to the CPU, I don't see the point in upgrading (I don't know what the IPC's look like for the PXA270 compared to the 255, though)
What do you all think?
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is it smaller than C3000?
if it is, I really want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm curious if USB Host will be supported...
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oops sorry
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Seriously, my coworkers in my office have seen my C750 and wow-wow-ed it like anything and then they go and buy a Palm, cause they cant seem to look beyond being spoon-fed with ready tailor made commonality, and of course won't buy from Japan, since theres no support (though I dont ever know what kind of support they get on their Palms apart from when they break their Palm's).
The palms are more *useful* to them, because they are much more newbie-friendly, and they integrate better (ever tried a Treo?). Their default PIM apps are better IMHO (although KDEPIM has them beat in features, it lacks integration), and so is the handwriting recognition.
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Does does make me fear for any slc-3000 custom harddrive based roms (apart from openBSD and debian)
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Does does make me fear for any slc-3000 custom harddrive based roms (apart from openBSD and debian)
I'm not sure you should worry.
It looks like the 3000 and 1000 are essentially the same machine, the 1000 just doesn't have a hard drive, so it should be little work to make ROMS work on both.
It is nothing like the 860/3000 scenario that we currently have.
Cheers
Marc
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Chill out guys, there will be a Cacko ROM for C3000 anyway, but simply after the one for C1000. In fact with the new model released, the new ROM is even closer because it's much more likely that I'll buy it. The main reason is that C3000's price was beyond the limit I could allow myself to spend on a toy (we all agree that Zaurus are toys for big boys, don't we . C1000 price is much more resonable, considering that I already have 4Gb microdrive. And have I mentioned that it's black?
Whenever a Cacko Rom for C1000 is out it will only be a matter of little efforts to port it to C3000. And I won't have to buy one, I should be able to just loan it for some time.
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Looks good to me; microdrive never attracted me. I don't want a hard drive in my PDA. I just assume buy a bunch of SD cards, really. I want bigger memory, not a hd. But even so, this still isn't enough reason for me to change from the C860. C'mon, Sharp, give us something more. I don't even care about bigger screen, but I do want a faster cpu.
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I'm not convinced it's an upgrade for the 860 in any particular way except for USB host capability.
I would suspect that it's a 3000 with the microdrive replaced with a compact flash memory card of some sort.
As I understand it, the 3000 has a small flash boot loader (like the older Z's) and relies on the microdrive to store the OS and all the applications, rather than being flash-based like the 700/750/760. Take out the microdrive and you're left with half a brick.
So, in this case, yes, you might find an internal CF slot in the SL-C1000, *but* it might already be filled with a memory card. If you can find a CF memory card + bluetooth combo, *then* we've got a winner.
If not, the 860 is the better device for the moment on the strength of its hardware is well understood, whereas the new PXA cpu and support circuitry is still being "discovered" and so Cacko isn't here yet.
Of course, I might be wrong... it's been known to happen :-)
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I'm not convinced it's an upgrade for the 860 in any particular way except for USB host capability.
I would suspect that it's a 3000 with the microdrive replaced with a compact flash memory card of some sort.
As I understand it, the 3000 has a small flash boot loader (like the older Z's) and relies on the microdrive to store the OS and all the applications, rather than being flash-based like the 700/750/760. Take out the microdrive and you're left with half a brick.
So, in this case, yes, you might find an internal CF slot in the SL-C1000, *but* it might already be filled with a memory card. If you can find a CF memory card + bluetooth combo, *then* we've got a winner.
If not, the 860 is the better device for the moment on the strength of its hardware is well understood, whereas the new PXA cpu and support circuitry is still being "discovered" and so Cacko isn't here yet.
Of course, I might be wrong... it's been known to happen :-)
I doubt it, it would be much cheaper for Sharp to fit 128Mb of NAND flash to the mobo and save on the CF connectors + also it would stop after sales market from retro fitting the HDD which I'm sure Sharp wouldn't want. If they used a CF card then they would still need some NAND flash for the initrd/zimage so you would probably see it specced as 192Mb storagre (or maybe not).... anyway I have feeling it's going to be traditional NAND type flash...
..actually one more thing. Don't hold out too much hope of (even if there is a connector) fitting your BT/WLAN card inside.
Even if you can find one that fits the form factor and doesn't have the large protrusions that most of them have then you will have two problems.
i. The Z case/electronics is going to screen out the reception/transmission and probably introduce a lot of noise.
ii. The BT/WIFI transmission may interfere with the Z - I would suspect that the HDD area on the 3K is screened off in some way but isn't designed to accomodate a comms card. Pull a device apart that is designed for integrated WIFI or BT and you will find that the designers have screened the antenna away from the mobo and placed it at one end of the device.
- Andy
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Even if you can find one that fits the form factor and doesn't have the large protrusions that most of them have then you will have two problems.
i. The Z case/electronics is going to screen out the reception/transmission and probably introduce a lot of noise.
ii. The BT/WIFI transmission may interfere with the Z - I would suspect that the HDD area on the 3K is screened off in some way but isn't designed to accomodate a comms card. Pull a device apart that is designed for integrated WIFI or BT and you will find that the designers have screened the antenna away from the mobo and placed it at one end of the device.
You have valid points. But as for the bluetooth - even a shorter range will be sufficient for my needs (a couple of meters will do just fine) I can live with external CF wifi card and internal bluetooth (if it fits).
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I would suspect that it's a 3000 with the microdrive replaced with a compact flash memory card of some sort.
I doubt it, it would be much cheaper for Sharp to fit 128Mb of NAND flash to the mobo and save on the CF connectors + also it would stop after sales market from retro fitting the HDD which I'm sure Sharp wouldn't want. If they used a CF card then they would still need some NAND flash for the initrd/zimage so you would probably see it specced as 192Mb storagre (or maybe not).... anyway I have feeling it's going to be traditional NAND type flash...
I think you misunderestimate the cost of connectors vs the cost of making substantially different devices, and that the Z isn't a very high volume/low margin product.
CF cards are *cheap* commodity devices*, so if the 3000 and 1000 are identical except for one is uDrive the other CF (and a different case cover), there's huge economies of scale in having them identical right up to the last second of deciding to fit an uDrive or a CF and picking the right colour of case.
* Ok, a 128MB card is, what, US$20? and connector US$1, and the flash chips alone would be ?$5, but then you've got to solder the flash and go through further testing, whereas the CF card could be programmed ready to go.
Localisation is also easier, just in case they do decide to offer an English version again.
It also makes it easier to repair when bricked, which I guess is perhaps the most common reason for repair - just swap or rewrite the CF.
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I think you misunderestimate the cost of connectors vs the cost of making substantially different devices, and that the Z isn't a very high volume/low margin product.
CF cards are *cheap* commodity devices*, so if the 3000 and 1000 are identical except for one is uDrive the other CF (and a different case cover), there's huge economies of scale in having them identical right up to the last second of deciding to fit an uDrive or a CF and picking the right colour of case.
* Ok, a 128MB card is, what, US$20? and connector US$1, and the flash chips alone would be ?$5, but then you've got to solder the flash and go through further testing, whereas the CF card could be programmed ready to go.
Localisation is also easier, just in case they do decide to offer an English version again.
It also makes it easier to repair when bricked, which I guess is perhaps the most common reason for repair - just swap or rewrite the CF.
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I am with iamasmith on this one.
I think it would be cheaper for them to put a larger amount of NAND memory on board too, and even if it wasn't there is a good reason why a CF card is unlikely...
I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Cheers
Marc
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Here are all the juicy details:
Juicy Details (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fezaurus.com%2flineup%2fsl%2fcompare_spec.html)
My two cents - same size as SL-C3000, lower power consumption, more flash, same speed, cheaper.
The more Zaurus models, the better!
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Just to Make arguing (sorry discussion) easyer Iv ran the Spec Page through Bable :-
Product type turn SL-C1000
OS Linux ® (Lineo uLinux)
CPU Intel ® XScale (PXA270 416mHz)
Indication 640×480 dot 65,536 color transmitted type system liquid crystal 3.7 type (the back light it is attached)
Memory capacity Flash 128MB
RAM (work area) 64MB
User area Approximately 63MB (shipment spatial-temporal coming capacity approximately 52MB)
Card slot SD card ●
Compact flash card (Type2) (*1 ●
Connected terminal I/O port −
Infrared ray communication terminal (IrcDa system) ●
Communication adapter terminal −
Stereo headphone terminal (phi 3.5 mm) ●
USB port ●
Power source DC3.7V lithium ion charge pond - (EA-BL11 attachment)
AC adapter ●
Electric power consumption 2.3w
Operating time (standard) (*2 Front light/write going out −
Brightness smallest Continual indication: Approximately 8 hour
Brightness maximum of Continual indication: Approximately 5 hour
External size At the time of liquid crystal wire protector removal Width approximately 124× depth approximately 87× thickness approximately 25 (mm)
(The projection section is excluded, thickness the most is thin section)
At the time of liquid crystal wire protector installation
Mass (*3 At the time of liquid crystal wire protector removal Approximately 278g
At the time of liquid crystal wire protector installation −
Accessory for personal computer connection USB cable
* As for corresponding circumstance to the LAN card, the radio LAN card and the general telephone line * portable * PHS modem card and the like, please view support.
< Software > (Something related to network)
Browser (*4 NetFront 3.1
Automatic round function ●
Mail software ●
Multiple account ●
Network setting (connected setting assist) ●
Smart connected function ●
(Something related to PC cooperation)
Zaurus shot ●
Print image transfer ●
Zaurus drive ●
USB storage system correspondence ●
Outlook ® with synchronizing ●
Word processor HancomMobileWord
(Templet recording)
Chart calculation HancomMobileSheet
(Templet recording)
Text editor * memo pad ●
Private information management (PIM)
Address register ●
Calendar ●
ToDo ●
Multimedia
Picture software Image note
Photograph viewer
Sliding show function ●
Animated picture playback - (MPEG4)
Music playback - (MP3 and WMA)
Audio sound recording - (The separate microphone is needed)
Still picture photographing −
Sharp Space Town contents
Zaurus library ●
Presentation ●
Electronic dictionary ●
Data base ●
Recombination guide ●
In addition
English Japan & Japanese-English translation software −
Java −
Worldwide clock ●
Portable calculator ●
7 column postal code dictionary ●
User dictionary ●
ブンコビューア ●
Zaurus data movement MI Zaurus data movement and SL Zaurus data movement
In addition Such as clock, infrared ray reception, help and system
< CD-ROM recording software >
(For substance) The trial version software (Shanghai, mah-jongg - it is green the heaven 牌 -), the AirCompass and the QPdf (the PDF Viewer for Zaurus), the terminal, P-in card setting and all the data transmissions (the software for the SL-A300), such as voice
(For personal computer) Zaurus shot, Zaurus drive, backup / restoring and Intellisync for Zaurus (synchronizer of Outlook and data movement from Palm Desktop) et cetera
(The *1) it corresponds to the equipment of the operating voltage 3.3v.
When (the *2) use temperature 25 DEGC with the calendar is made to indicate in continually.
(The *3) the touch pen, the charge pond, the protective card it includes.
(*4) XHTML1.0/HTML4.01 conformity, CSS correspondence and JavaScript1.5 subset specification, frame correspondence, Cookie correspondence and SSL/TSL (128bit) correspondence.
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....I am with iamasmith on this one.
I think it would be cheaper for them to put a larger amount of NAND memory on board too, and even if it wasn't there is a good reason why a CF card is unlikely...
I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Cheers
Marc
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Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.
As far as someone elses argument about $20 for a CF card, $1 for a connector how about.
Sharp Loss per Unit of sale = $21 + Price of SL-C3000 - Price of SL-1000
...no I don't think there will be a CF connector inside allowing people to just pop a card in....
Could be wrong though.
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I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.
This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card? The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.
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I wouldn't say the more models the better.
I, in the past year, have had a 5600 and a 6000.
As a result I am now much more concerned about (OS) software than about hardware.
I'd rather have real native debian on an axim than sharp/embedix on a 1000 (not that it is available, and xqt/pocketworkstation isn't quite the same)
The 1k is a nice box.
a nice rom would make it much more interesting.
A fully open source rom would be even better.
More expansion (2nd cf) and a good os would make it compelling
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I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.
This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card? The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.
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I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash. This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.
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I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash. This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.
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Same here... if we can assume that there is write spreading technology on the NAND flash in the Z then the comparatively low number of writes should give the device a relatively long life if you mainly use SD or CF.
BTW: I've also ordered a 3000 too and just received a rather cool email from TriSoft with a link to an AVI showing it being packed....my 3000... with my address sticker.... how cool is that ?
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I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.
CF cards have an internal controller which spreads the writing to even out the aging; 10,000 cycles on a specific location is one figure I have read as a typical life span.
As far as someone elses argument about $20 for a CF card, $1 for a connector how about.
I wuz the one who said $21 for a CF + connector; if it's an unpackaged card Sharp will get them even cheaper.
Sharp Loss per Unit of sale = $21 + Price of SL-C3000 - Price of SL-1000
Yeah, but on the other hand, they probably make a nice markup on the microdrives, so the SL-C3000 will give a good margin. People who can't afford a 3000 at the moment have no choice at all given the 860 is out of production. If you want a Z with a microdrive, you won't buy a 1000 and upgrade it, you'll buy a 3000. There *might* be people who'll buy a 1000, take the 128MB flash card out and stick in a 1GB or 2GB flash card in. But maybe Sharp will sell a 2000 with a bigger flash card in by default - this new product could allow them to cover a wider market.
...no I don't think there will be a CF connector inside allowing people to just pop a card in....
Just because noone's so far replaced the microdrive in a 3000 with a fast big flash card doesn't mean to say it can't be done... it must be possible, since CF interface is designed to look like PATA hard drive.
Anyway, the truth is out there! And naturally, the 1000 emerges just as I bought an 860
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Just because noone's so far replaced the microdrive in a 3000 with a fast big flash card doesn't mean to say it can't be done... it must be possible, since CF interface is designed to look like PATA hard drive.
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Sure, as I mentioned on another posting 6Gb CF is around 1,500 USD (unless you can find an fully functional OEM model) and there's even a 12Gb card knocking around now at a cool 15,000 USD. When the prices come down (A LOT) a bit and I've had my 3000 for a long, long time I might consider it.
- Andy
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I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.
Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.
This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card? The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.
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I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash. This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.
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mmh, I did something similar with the 860, I wish someone would bring out a Linux handheld (apart from the Yopy of course) which didn't use internal flash, even an internal microdrive is problematic, what happens when it dies? Is it replaceable? Sigh! The C1000 is very attractive, I've been very close to taking the plunge in the last hour or so...
EDIT: I've started a new thread on the flash issue if anyone cares to pitch in - [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=[/url]
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mmh, I did something similar with the 860, I wish someone would bring out a Linux handheld (apart from the Yopy of course) which didn't use internal flash, even an internal microdrive is problematic, what happens when it dies? Is it replaceable? Sigh! The C1000 is very attractive, I've been very close to taking the plunge in the last hour or so...
EDIT: I've started a new thread on the flash issue if anyone cares to pitch in - https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl= (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=)
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The hard drive in the 3000 is pretty easily removeable. How hard it is to run a different card in there is one of the things I'll be investigating when I get my 3000.
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Power Consumption
C3000 C1000 C860
3.2W 2.3W 2.7W
Why C1000 has lower power consumption than C860. Advantage of the new CPU PXA270? I understand the higher power consumption in C3000 must be the HDD. How does the saving in power consumption translate to usable time?
I wish the screen would be Transflective as in 6000L, instead of transmissive only.
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At similar power consumption levels (3-4w), surely you could have a PDA running a VIA Eden processor? (1w @ 300Mhz) If there were an x86 Z, I'm sure it would have a market.
Would it be possible to make something like a Z, but X86? If they can make things like the OQO & Sony U series, surely they could do a much cheaper cut down vesrion running a VIA Eden, AMD Geode or something with less ram etc?
It would be class to have a PDA that can perform nearly as well as an old 300Mhz PC & run x86 stuff properly!
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Why C1000 has lower power consumption than C860. Advantage of the new CPU PXA270? ....
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Yes, the PXA270 on equivalent clock rates to the other processors is more power efficient + I think there are fewer supporting chipsets in a PXA270 board design... oh and the ATI W100 is now gone.
[a href=\"http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html]http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html[/url]
Chuck the URL above into babelfish.altavista.com for a comparative list of features including runtime under various scenarios.
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Yes, the PXA270 on equivalent clock rates to the other processors is more power efficient + I think there are fewer supporting chipsets in a PXA270 board design... oh and the ATI W100 is now gone.
The ATi w100 was gone in the 3000 already. it's pretty much good for nothing except accelerating MPEG with experimental drivers. Yay.
Edit: question: whats the difference between the OpenPDA and Lineo kernels?
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Edit: question: whats the difference between the OpenPDA and Lineo kernels?
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Just different names for the same product I think...
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Hi. I'm very new with the Zaurus, only using the SL-5500 a few weeks. Are these links in the first post in this section saying that Sharp is still producing the Zaurus? I hope so, because i like the product, and can see myslelf satying with it for a while.
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Yes, not the same hardware as yours though.
Si
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Edit: question: whats the difference between the OpenPDA and Lineo kernels?
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Just different names for the same product I think...
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I think Metrowerks 'own' the OpenPDA name now so I guess if Metrowerks aren't involved it's better not to call it that.
Their OpenPDA stuff is basically Qtopia and an IDE (I think) aimed at the OEM market - not sure if they actually provide a Kernel - I suspect not as this would normally be OEM developed (or Leneo'd off).
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ok there new zaurus is now available on price japan
i want to buy one but i want to know if it is possible to convert this zaurus to english ???
r the c1000 more memory than the c860 ????
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robint,
In answer to your question, the Z is still being produced but for the Japanese market only. They are, however, converted to English and exported by several companies to U.S. & Europe which you will find if you search through these forums.
What I want to know is why won't Sharp add wi-fi to these new C models? Does it really cost that much to include? Would Salaryman be offended if the Z came with wi-fi and he had no use for it? He might find it useful if he went overseas on business trips. Sharp knows third party exporters are shipping a boatload of these to the rest of the world. Just toss in wi-fi on the highest level model and charge a little more. I'd buy it & so would many of my geek brethren.
It's too bad they didn't further develop that cellphone. In its prototype state, it was committee ugly, but it had great potential. I guess it was a "safe" move on Sharp's part to axe it, but the future is in smartphones, not PDA's. They are going to have to evolve to that soon or risk dropping the Z biz altogether.
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ok there new zaurus is now available on price japan
i want to buy one but i want to know if it is possible to convert this zaurus to english ???
r the c1000 more memory than the c860 ????
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Nice price on the 1000, that is what the 860 cost yesterday. The 860 has dropped 2000 yen.
I would imagine that the 1000 will convert to english in exactly the same way a 3000 does. Have a look in the 3000 group there are a few message threads there right near the start of the group (so the oldest messages).
Give it a week or two and the importing companies will have instructions out and people on here will have done it.
The 860 at this time has more interesting total conversions in a range of ROM replacements that the 3000/1000 currently doesn't have. But they will appear given time.
And yes the 1000 has more memory than the 860.
Cheers
Marc
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And yes the 1000 has more memory than the 860.
Cheers
Marc
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I'm sorry but I think you are wrong on this count.
The C1000 has exactly the same memory and flash configuration as the C860 and C760 according to [a href=\"http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html]Sharps Zaurus spec page[/url]
C1000 C860 C760
Flash 128MB 128MB 128MB
Rom 64MB 64MB 64MB
Stu
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And yes the 1000 has more memory than the 860.
Cheers
Marc
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I'm sorry but I think you are wrong on this count.
The C1000 has exactly the same memory and flash configuration as the C860 and C760 according to [a href=\"http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html]Sharps Zaurus spec page[/url]
     C1000     C860     C760
Flash   128MB     128MB    128MB
Rom    64MB     64MB     64MB
Stu
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Oops. Good call Stu. I guess I was scanning my specs too quickly.
Cheers
Marc
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Just curious why C1000 has the same dimensions as C3000? Besides obvious cost saving with avoiding case redesign, maybe that indicates that C1000 has a second CF slot connector inside? That would be very cool if true, since obviously opens a whole lot of opportunities for adding second CF device. Also it would be interesting to see the dmesg output on C1000. If Sharp is planning a model with builtin wireless card and/or bluetooth, they may want to add internal USB hub, that would be cool to have... Other than that, I don't really see anything exciting about C1000, seems more like a marketing ploy than technical achivement...
-albertr
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Just curious why C1000 has the same dimensions as C3000? Besides obvious cost saving with avoiding case redesign, maybe that indicates that C1000 has a second CF slot connector inside? That would be very cool if true, since obviously opens a whole lot of opportunities for adding second CF device. Also it would be interesting to see the dmesg output on C1000. If Sharp is planning a model with builtin wireless card and/or bluetooth, they may want to add internal USB hub, that would be cool to have... Other than that, I don't really see anything exciting about C1000, seems more like a marketing ploy than technical achivement...
-albertr
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well, everyone's expressed their opinion as to what's inside the C1000. We'll just have to wait till someone posts photos of one being dismantled.
My bet is on an internal CF card, it's the cheapest way for Sharp to produce a new model with zero effort.
The real shame is that there's still no clamshell with networking, neither bluetooth or wlan or even good old ethernet - at least usbnet exists to do tcpip over usb.
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Just curious. Does anyone know whether the C860 fell in price after it was launched? The current price of the 1000 (still pretty high for a toy) and the time it will take to port the various roms to it is putting me off.
I'd go for the 860 for the software options but I'd really like the usb host feature.
Harry.
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Just curious. Does anyone know whether the C860 fell in price after it was launched? The current price of the 1000 (still pretty high for a toy) and the time it will take to port the various roms to it is putting me off.
I'd go for the 860 for the software options but I'd really like the usb host feature.
Harry.
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Price of the 860 dropped by 2000yen (approx £10/$20) at PriceJapan.
So nothing significant.
It seems thehe 860 is being replaced by the 1000, so I expect production has stopped and the remaining units may end up getting cleared out.
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Thanks, but I was a bit vague there. I was wondering whether the C860 dropped in price after the C860 was launched, say one or two months down the line.
Harry.
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Thanks, but I was a bit vague there. I was wondering whether the C860 dropped in price after the C860 was launched, say one or two months down the line.
Harry.
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All hardware drops in price given time! It is just how long you are prepared to wait, and as soon as it gets to a nice level you probably want the next thing!
I don't remember how much the 860 was originally, but we've come down quite a bit since I bought my first one last year. The prices have stayed fairly stable though, they haven't dropped with the speed PCs seem to, so if you buy a 1000 now I doubt you'll feel too distressed in 6 months time.
Cheers
Marc
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Just curious why C1000 has the same dimensions as C3000? Besides obvious cost saving with avoiding case redesign, maybe that indicates that C1000 has a second CF slot connector inside?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=70863\")
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this but the features comparison table that has been mentioned does in fact say that the C1k has 2 CF slots. It also shows the C860 as having 1 and the C3k as having 2. Here's a link to the [a href=\"http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fezaurus.com%2Flineup%2Fsl%2Fcompare_spec.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]google translation[/url].
Based on that it seems like a good possibility that there is an internal connector.
~ray
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Just curious why C1000 has the same dimensions as C3000? Besides obvious cost saving with avoiding case redesign, maybe that indicates that C1000 has a second CF slot connector inside?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=70863\")
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this but the features comparison table that has been mentioned does in fact say that the C1k has 2 CF slots. It also shows the C860 as having 1 and the C3k as having 2. Here's a link to the [a href=\"http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fezaurus.com%2Flineup%2Fsl%2Fcompare_spec.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]google translation[/url].
Based on that it seems like a good possibility that there is an internal connector.
~ray
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If you mean the - *2) text in the block beside the Compact Flash card (Type 2) section this is a bullet point. Further down *2) is refined as Must be 3.3v.
I would say wait for the dissection.
- Andy
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If you mean the - *2) text in the block beside the Compact Flash card (Type 2) section this is a bullet point. Further down *2) is refined as Must be 3.3v.
Oops. Yeah, I guess you're right. I misread it. Sorry for the distraction...
~ray
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ok there new zaurus is now available on price japan
i want to buy one but i want to know if it is possible to convert this zaurus to english ???
r the c1000 more memory than the c860 ????
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It's cool the Zaurus is still being produced. I'm aware that there are so many different ROMs that what's available is hardly comparable to my SL-5500. Nonetheless, I'm willing to learn, and will likey try a newer model one day.
Btw, I got a WiFi card for short $$ from someone on this list, and it worked flawlessly. I had to enter the WEP encryption info, and then, boom, email and web surfing was flawless.
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I have fond memories of my 5500 and my sister is still enjoying it. You might find like the rest of us that you are now hooked. My 760 is pure joy and the 6000 is impressive. I'm salivating over the 1000, but I think I will wait to see what the summer will bring.
It's cool the Zaurus is still being produced. I'm aware that there are so many different ROMs that what's available is hardly comparable to my SL-5500. Nonetheless, I'm willing to learn, and will likey try a newer model one day.
Btw, I got a WiFi card for short $$ from someone on this list, and it worked flawlessly. I had to enter the WEP encryption info, and then, boom, email and web surfing was flawless.
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I just posted in another thread‚ from the Zaurus. Presently‚ I'm posting from my TungstenC...Just because. I love the versatility in these handhelds‚ and I love just seeing them "work". my next purchase will likely be the Archos Media Player‚ and then I'll see what Palm OS has to offer. If nothing excites me by then. I'll prowl these forums and Ebay and try and go for another Zaurus. hopefully a Clambshell version.
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The real shame is that there's still no clamshell with networking, neither bluetooth or wlan or even good old ethernet - at least usbnet exists to do tcpip over usb.
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It doesn't make sense on the Japanese market, period. Trust me, I know how frustrating that can be. Sharp doesn't seem to be interested in phone integration, so even bluetooth isn't in there, and using a BT card won't offer much extra functionality (like remote-dialling, SMS and Email Sync).
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DMESG
From: http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?59414d41 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?59414d41)
Linux version 2.4.20 (namikosi@mascaras) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:44:25 +0900
CPU: XScale-PXA270 revision 4
Machine: SHARP Akita
Converting old-style param struct to taglist
Ignoring unrecognised tag 0x00000000
Turbo Mode clock : 416.00MHz (*2.0, active)
Run Mode clock : 208.00MHz
System bus clock : 208.00MHz (1/1)
Memory clock : 208.00MHz (1/1)
LCD clock : 104.00MHz (1/2)
Security risk: creating user accessible mapping for 0x08000000 at 0xf1000000
On node 0 totalpages: 16384
zone(0): 16384 pages.
zone(1): 0 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),59392k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete EQUIPMENT=0 LOGOLANG=1 DEFYEAR=2006 LOGO=1 LAUNCH=q
Console: colour dummy device 80x30
Calibrating delay loop... 415.33 BogoMIPS
Memory: 64MB = 64MB total
Memory: 61988KB available (2119K code, 558K data, 112K init)
Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Inode cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
RCSR = 8
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x02 (Driver version 1.14)
FCS : CCCR = 2000210
enable_irq(120) unbalanced from c000c6f8
batok installed
Starting kswapd
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
JFFS2 version 2.1. © 2001, 2002 Red Hat, Inc., designed by Axis Communications AB.
Sharp SL-Series PXA fb driver initialized.
reset resolution unkown => 480x640
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
fb0: SHARPSL_PXAFB frame buffer device
keyboard initilaized.
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with no serial options enabled
SharpSL serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with no serial options enabled
ttyS00 at 0xf8100000x (irq = 22) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0xf8700000x (irq = 20) is a 16550A, using IRDA
ttyS02 at 0xf8200000x (irq = 21) is a 16550A
rs_init: IRDA H/W initializaion
sharpled_init: done.
xxxx remote controller
Cotulla Real Time Clock driver v1.00
Cotulla Touch Screen driver initialized
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 50MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
PPP BSD Compression module registered
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2
kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2
kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2
Spitz audio driver initialize
Sharp SL series flash device: 1000000 at 0
Using static partision definition
Creating 1 MTD partitions on "sharpsl-flash":
0x00140000-0x007f0000 : "Filesystem"
NAND device: Manufacture ID: 0xec, Chip ID: 0xf1 (Samsung NAND 128MB 3,3V)
Creating 3 MTD partitions on "NAND 128MB 3,3V":
0x00000000-0x00700000 : "smf"
0x00700000-0x04100000 : "root"
0x04100000-0x08000000 : "home"
Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.31
options: [pm]
Intel PXA250/210 PCMCIA (CS release 3.1.31)
pxa_pcmcia_init(0)
pxa_pcmcia_init(1)
orinoco.c 0.11b (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others)
hermes.c: 5 Apr 2002 David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
orinoco_cs.c 0.11b (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au> and others)
spectrum_cs.c 0.3.4
Backlight Driver Initialized.
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.95 © 1998-1999 Rebel.com
IrCOMM protocol (Dag Brattli)
cramfs: wrong magic
FAT: bogus logical sector size 480
VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem) readonly.
Freeing init memory: 112K
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_id_response: card removed (cmd=00)
SD Driver Initialized.
sharp_mmcsd 0.30 13 Oct 2004
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_response: card removed (cmd=00)
pxa_sd_wait_id_response: card removed (cmd=00)
set_wakeup_src=ae000019->ae000019[9801a003]
usbh: udc_connected: ACTIVE_LOW: 0<7>usbh: monitor_connected: 0
usbh: monitor_unload: 0
usbh: monitor_hotplug: agent: usbh interface: monitor action: unload
usbh: monitor_request_irq: 41 71
usbh: monitor_modinit: finished
usbdm: usbd_monitor 0.3 035 2002-06-12 20:00
monitor_connected: 1
monitor_load:
monitor_hotplug: agent: usbd interface: monitor action: load
usbh: udc_connected: ACTIVE_LOW: 0<7>usbh: monitor_connected: 0
usbh: monitor_unload: 4
usbdcore: usbdcore 0.1 035 2002-06-12 20:00 (dbg="")
net_fd 0.1 035 2002-06-12 20:00 (dbg="",alwaysup=0,OUT=64,IN=64)
vendorID: 4dd productID: 9031
pxa27x_bi 0.1-alpha 035 2002-06-12 20:00 (dbg="")
bi_modinit: call udc_startup_events
bi_device_event: call udc_enable
bi_device_event: call udc_all_interrupts
udc_connect: usb-device is not active.
monitor_modinit: finished
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I see ttyS02 - this is used for bluetooth on my 6000W. And the 128 mb flash chip means that if there is an internal port, it will be free.
Hmm - that would make the C1000 very attractive. A free serial port to solder a bluetooth chip in, and a free internal CF port for say a wifi card :-)
Even better - if it has the same internal wifi connector the 6000 has, a 6000L wifi module could be plugged it, so the internal connector could be used by a GSM card...
Some internal pics would really help in my speculations (or even C3000 pics - maybe they share the same board) but IMHO the C1000 *quite* interesting. So if you've got pics, please share :-)
I may be interested to purchase one just to try to cram wifi/bluetooth/gsm into it. (see http://externe.net/zaurus/simpad-bluetooth/ (http://externe.net/zaurus/simpad-bluetooth/) for a precedent project)
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Funny, but I was thinking the same yesterday when read this dmesg post. BTW, thanks to alan.lai for posting it! It still remains to be seen if C1000 has a second internal CF connector inside. Also, while /dev/ttyS02 is implemented in hardware, it's not clear if lines are traced on PCB and are easy to be identified. I think that odds are good, but it still takes somebody with a scope to volunteer and dissect his/her brand new C1000 with taking risks of voiding warranty. Anyone?
But assuming that lines are traced, it shouldn't be too hard to wire up a serial BT module, i.e. like one I did for Psion 5mx @ http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/psion5mx/blue/ (http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/psion5mx/blue/)
I was kinda hoped to see an internal USB hub on C1000, but unfortunately nothing like this was revealed by dmesg.
-albertr
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Umm, actually it looks like there's the usb hub inside c3000 (and most probably c1000 too), at least according to openbsd's dmesg @
http://www.wheel.gr.jp/~dai/sl-zaurus/bsd/dmesg-openbsd.txt (http://www.wheel.gr.jp/~dai/sl-zaurus/bsd/dmesg-openbsd.txt)
Here's what it says:
OpenBSD 3.6-current (RAMDISK) #3: Wed Jan 19 16:59:32 MST 2005
  deraadt@zaurus.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/zaurus/compile/RAMDISK
real mem  = 67108864 (65536K)
avail mem = 53002240 (51760K)
using 844 buffers containing 3457024 bytes (3376K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
cpu0 at mainbus0: PXA27x rev 4 (XScale core)
cpu0: DC enabled IC enabled WB enabled LABT branch prediction enabled
cpu0: 32KB/32B 32-way Instruction cache
cpu0: 32KB/32B 32-way write-back-locking Data cache
pxaip0 at mainbus0: PXA2x0 Onchip Peripheral Bus  CPU clock = 415.998 MHz
pxaintc0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40d00000: Interrupt Controller
pxagpio0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40e00000: GPIO Controller
saost0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40a00000
saost0: SA-11x0 OS Timer
com0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40100000 intr 22: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
com0: console
com1 at pxaip0 addr 0x40200000 intr 21: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
ohci0 at pxaip0 addr 0x4c000000 intr 3, version 1.0
usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: PXA27x OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pxapcic0 at pxaip0
pcmcia0 at pxapcic0
pcmcia1 at pxapcic0
lcd_pxaip0 at pxaip0
wsdisplay0 at lcd_pxaip0: console (std, vt100 emulation)
zkbd0 at pxaip0
wskbd0 at zkbd0 mux 1
wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
clock: hz=100 stathz=64
rd0: fixed, 5120 blocks
wdc0 at pcmcia1 function 0 "HITACHI, microdrive" port 0x0/16
wd0 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 0:
wd0: 32-sector PIO, LBA, 3906MB, 7999488 sectors
wd0(wdc0:0:0): using BIOS timings
ne0 at pcmcia0 function 0 "Ethernet, CF Size PC Card, 1.0" port 0x300/32
ne0: address 00:ff:90:ff:cc:ff
boot_file: '(null)'
rootdev=0x1200 rrootdev=0x1200 rawdev=0x1202
According to the above dmesg, there're two usb ports available on the hub. I guess one goes to usb connector, but the second might be used to hoock up internal usb devices, like BT module or 802.11b?
I think that c1000 can use the same PCB as c3000, they might just swap the 16MB nand chip with a 128MB one.
-albertr
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The TTYS02 is also present on my 860's dmesg as well. I suspect that it is probably something to do with the PXA chips rather than being indicitive of any actual circuitry.
As for for the internal CF connector - I suspect that all we're going to find is blank solder pads. The 1000 probably uses the same circuit board as the 3000, but I sincerely doubt that Sharp will bother to populate the necessary components for the internal CF.
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but blank pads might make a connector possble, though. right? Given someon w/ talent a connector and a soldering iron (not me).
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but blank pads might make a connector possble, though. right? Given someon w/ talent a connector and a soldering iron (not me).
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actually, adding a CF socket onto blank pads wouldn't be *too* hard as the pin density isn't as high as the latest surface mount chips. I'd be willing to give it a go, as long as I got to practise on someone elses Z first!!!
I recall somewhere that someone's managed to add extra memory to the 760/860 model, but it didn't look at all straightforward.
As for building in bluetooth, that'd be excellent, I'd even tolerate having some sort of manual switch added to disconnect the serial port (especially the IR port) and connect the bluetooth module if necessary, just to keep the CF slot free.
Paul
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I see ttyS02 - this is used for bluetooth on my 6000W. And the 128 mb flash chip means that if there is an internal port, it will be free.
thinking out loud here...
does the 6000W have IR tx/rx, or did they steal it for the bluetooth?
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the 6000 has a separate one. In fact I have : the internal serial, the sled serial, the ir port and the bluetooth - quite a lot of serial ports :-)
The internal wifi use a little white connector like the one on the C3000 used to hook up the SD slot IIRC (it's been a while since I opened my 6000W)
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the 6000 has a separate one. In fact I have : the internal serial, the sled serial, the ir port and the bluetooth - quite a lot of serial ports :-)
The internal wifi use a little white connector like the one on the C3000 used to hook up the SD slot IIRC (it's been a while since I opened my 6000W)
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is the bluetooth on the 6000W a module, and could it be retrofitted if so and we could find the right kind of module - i.e convert a 6000L to W?
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It is a module. Retrofitted? It would be much easier to solder a bluetooth chip on a free serial port.
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as in if I can find a pinout of the sled connector and a deft solderrer, I might make (especially since I don't use a sled) an ersatz w out of my L? That is interesting. You wouldn't by any chance have info on the module, the sled connector or where and how the module fits in the w jus laying around, would you?
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as in if I can find a pinout of the sled connector and a deft solderrer, I might make (especially since I don't use a sled) an ersatz w out of my L? That is interesting. You wouldn't by any chance have info on the module, the sled connector or where and how the module fits in the w jus laying around, would you?
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wonder if CSR would let you have a free sample of this:
[a href=\"http://www.csr.com/products/bc4rom_over.htm]http://www.csr.com/products/bc4rom_over.htm[/url]
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adf, even better- next time I open my 6000W I'll have a photo session of the bluetooth module, where it's connected, etc.
If you want to "W" you L, you simply need to locate where ttyS2 is and solder a bluetooth chip. You'll only miss the blue led - but I'm sure it can be soldered it too :-)
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adf, even better- next time I open my 6000W I'll have a photo session of the bluetooth module, where it's connected, etc.
If you want to "W" you L, you simply need to locate where ttyS2 is and solder a bluetooth chip. You'll only miss the blue led - but I'm sure it can be soldered it too :-)
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is there a spare tty in the 860, or, could I steal the IR port and fit bluetooth? BT would be much more useful and interesting than IR!!!
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adf, even better- next time I open my 6000W I'll have a photo session of the bluetooth module, where it's connected, etc.
If you want to "W" you L, you simply need to locate where ttyS2 is and solder a bluetooth chip. You'll only miss the blue led - but I'm sure it can be soldered it too :-)
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=72383
is there a spare tty in the 860, or, could I steal the IR port and fit bluetooth? BT would be much more useful and interesting than IR!!!
www.oesf.org/index.php?act=findpost&pid=72403
do dmesg|grep tty after a fresh boot. I think you would have to steal the IR tty or use the one that serves for the tty cable. go do segor.de to get a WML C09 AHR module and use externe.net/temp/simpad-bluetooth.gif for instructions. Thats for a simpad but if you have a 3V power somewhere in your 860 it'll be fine.
that'd be a cool hack !
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if someone could point me at pics of internals, I might bring 'em to my neighborhood electronics wizard, and talk mods. (while it is open, more ram might be nice, and replace the "sledbus" with a cf slot maybe?) Probably he won't touch it though... and don't solder well enough to it myself.
EDIT: could a moderator maybe move the 6k digression over to 6k hardware? sorry for going so far off topic