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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => C1000/3x00 General discussions => Topic started by: TRIsoft on March 24, 2005, 11:38:36 am
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Hi everyone,
what are we doing with every new Zaurus model ?
Disassemble it !
So we can finally stop the speculations about the connector
for a microdrive: There is none !
Pics of the SL-C1000 mainboard are here (http://www.trisoft.de/media/slc1000/board/) !
Compare it with the SL-C3000 here. (http://pda.conics.net/c3000/open/)
SL-C3000 HDD connector : PIC (http://pda.conics.net/c3000/open/Imga0565.jpg)
SL-C1000 same spot : PIC (http://www.trisoft.de/media/slc1000/board/DSC05765.JPG)
Yes, there're a lot of solder points, but i wouldn't try to add a connector.
///TRIsoft
Marc Stephan
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It also seems to be missing some PGA component near where the 3000 has its CF interface.
The component label is unreadable on the 3000 picture but I suspect this is related to the CF card and it looks like a lot more soldering than just the connector.
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I don't know. It might be interesting to build a hybrid. As Trisoft pointed out, the solder points are there. It appears that some of the speculation is correct. A 128 MB flash-chip has been installed in place of the 16 MB. If you were a hand at soldering, you could have your cake and eat it too with a 128 MB flash-based system and a supplementary HDD. You'd have a device that worked much like the 760 and 860 with a Microdrive for storing all your MP3s and other sundries and a free CF slot for wireless, if that was your taste. Of course, you'd have to somehow find out what sort of controller chip the Sharpies were using. I myself like the HDD, cause it sure beats carrying half-a-hundred SD cards to hold my music, but I also like the fast boot-time of my 860. In any event, I am NOT a hand at soldering.
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'Nother thing that just occured to me... There are whole cottage industries associated with 'mod-chipping' play-stations and X-boxes to do things the manufacturer didn't intend/want the end-user to be able to do (like play Japan-only titles). I could easily see a similar "cottage-industry" devoted to mod-chipping C1000s. They'd be better than the 3000 in my opinion. You could (more) easily get Cacko or Oz or Xrom onto the device with 128 Meg of flash. You'd keep the fast-boot capability, since you wouldn't be booting off the HDD, and you'd have the whole 4 GB for storage. Pretty cool idea. Now, if only I could solder.
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Well, Sharp is pissing me off again. All I can say...
Thanks for the pics, btw.
-albertr
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Thanks for the pics TRIsoft.
I think I will buy the C1000. (Until I change my mind again)
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Pretty much what I expected. With the relatively low price point of the 1000 there was no way they'd leave the CF connector in there.
So the last question that I have is: Are the cases similar enough to be able to swap a 3000 into the sexy black c1000 case? Yes, I'm insane, but I love the black case soooo much! I need the 4gb drive of the 3000, though. There's a good chance I can dump my 860 for a decent price and upgrade to the 1000 - I suspect that the cases will be compatible but I'd hate to go to the effort just to find out they're not.
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planning to sell the collateral white-case 1k cheap? drop a line
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It looks to me straight enough to add the controller onto it. Just soldering it (the right model) onto the board, right? Shame on sharp wasting such a big space over there.
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business op for trisoft&streamline?
find a way to mount a cf slot into the side of the battery well, connect it up and sell a 1000+? or pop in wireless or bluetooth? same idea, value-added 1k? Made in bulk, enhanced 1k's might be a good value, and a good return for the company. I would buy a 3 slot clamshell z within the year if one were made (and priced reasonably)
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business op for trisoft&streamline?
find a way to mount a cf slot into the side of the battery well, connect it up and sell a 1000+? or pop in wireless or bluetooth? same idea, value-added 1k? Made in bulk, enhanced 1k's might be a good value, and a good return for the company. I would buy a 3 slot clamshell z within the year if one were made (and priced reasonably)
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great idea. I would pay 1000 base price + (up to maybe $200) for such a thing. Any takers?
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planning to sell the collateral white-case 1k cheap? drop a line
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Nah. The plan has always been to have 2 clamshell Z's. I was going to go with 2 860s, then I found out that the new model (what turned out to be the 3000) was announced just as I bought my first. I was going to settle for the 3000 and the 860, but instead I'll go for a 3000 and a 1000 and swap the cases.
At least until the next one gets announced. =)
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It looks to me straight enough to add the controller onto it. Just soldering it (the right model) onto the board, right? Shame on sharp wasting such a big space over there.
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As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector. I have a friend of mine who can easily sodler one, assuming the C1000 uses the same PSB and contacts on the board are indeed connected...
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maslovsky - you will need a chip that isnt there, just behind the CF connector. looks like a controller. It won't work without one.
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Anton, if you go through with this, you really HAVE to post a play-by-play of the process (finding the components, the soldering, etc.). As I indicated in my post above, this would be VERY cool.
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As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector....[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=72350\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
O M G !
Anton,
please work on a nice CackoRom before destroying
your brand new C1000 .
///TRIsoft
Marc Stephan
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is there enough space to put an extra batter in that empty space? doubling the battery life would be really great.
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mmmmm...... extra internal CF or double battery cap!?! Such a difficult decision.
I would like to upgrade, but clamshell and usb host just aren't quite enough of an excuse. Extra battery or adding internal CF might cut it tho
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mmmmm...... extra internal CF or double battery cap!?! Such a difficult decision.
I would like to upgrade, but clamshell and usb host just aren't quite enough of an excuse. Extra battery or adding internal CF might cut it tho
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But, you're upgrading from a 5500, right?
You get:
VGA screen
Faster processor
Bigger keyboard
At least double the 5500's battery life
Clamshell
and USB host.
More than a worthy upgrade. Especially since the C1000 is cheap compared to other Z's. When I bought my 860 almost 6 months ago, I got a great deal on it - ~$570 Canadian. Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian (and a C3000 for ~$700 Canadian - ouch!).
Having a Super-1000 (SL-S1000? How about SL-C1000 Type R ) would really be nice, though I'd definitely go for the internal CF slot. If I need *that* much batter power, I can use my external power pack and get ~20 hrs out of it.
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I'll admit tho that the C-xx0 series just didn't have what it takes to make me upgrade but the 3000(too much money) and the 1000(actually affordable for me) are VERY tempting. It's just a shame that I'm broke.
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kahm....
I live in Canada too. Were are you getting the good price on the the C1000 (if you don't mind me asking).
Quote: "Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian"
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kahm....
I live in Canada too. Were are you getting the good price on the the C1000 (if you don't mind me asking).
Quote: "Now I'm getting the C1000 for ~$490 Canadian"
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It's called "my buddy lives in Japan right now and his girlfriend is going to mule it back when she visits" She left a few days ago, and she's getting back the evening of the 3rd. She's also going to be bringing a C3000 and an CE-RH2 remote.
The store my friend would buy it from lists it at 43050Y, which is about $485 Can. The best part is I can still warranty them even after he leaves Japan, because he has friends there we can send them to
I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.
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cool. i'm glad you are getting them for such a good price.
I will probably get a c1000 in summer from conics (currently about $700CAN), unless I find an ebay deal.
I hope someone can make a CF or battery connector that goes in that empty space in the C1000.
Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.
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cool. i'm glad you are getting them for such a good price.
Not half as glad as I am, I'm sure The Z has utterly spoiled me - I may never be able to buy a North American PDA again Fortunately, the 3000 is as close to my ideal as things are likely to get for a while. If Sharp pulls something with more ram or built in wi-fi out of their hats this summer I'll be tempted to upgrade again, but that's about it.
I will probably get a c1000 in summer from conics (currently about $700CAN), unless I find an ebay deal.
I hope someone can make a CF or battery connector that goes in that empty space in the C1000.
Given the difficulty of that particular modification, I doubt it. Between sourcing the parts required and the surface mount soldering of the chip and socket, Super-1000s will be very few and far between.
Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.
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Sunny Edmonton, Alberta. Most of my family is from Virden, though.
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As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector....[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=72350\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
O M G !
Anton,
please work on a nice CackoRom before destroying
your brand new C1000 .
///TRIsoft
Marc Stephan
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Don't worry Marc, I'm not going to do that myself I'm no good at such things, but a friend of mine should be able to do that easily. He's been reparing Zauriis with broken charging circuts, burned processors and corrupted NAND Flash chips
BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Just out of curiosity... where in Canada are you? I'm in Winnipeg.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=73064\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Hey, hi there Antikx. I live in the 'peg too. Amazing how near & far the Z brings us all together!
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I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.
kahm, FYI (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=46721&fpage=1):
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
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I'm going to case-swap the 3000 and the 1000, so my 3000 will be in sexy black instead of Ipod white.
kahm, FYI (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=46721&fpage=1):
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
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Damn. And here I was hoping to be the first to actually bother
Nice pics - definitely helpful for doing the swap. I wonder how well that 2gb CF worked out - I haven't seen anyone attempt that before, either.
I've still got ~23hrs to wait till I get my hands on mine!
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BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to? Is this from the modification or something else?
kahm, FYI (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=46721&fpage=1):
(In Chinese, but the pics just tell the whole story)
This guy has swapped the cases of C1k and C3k, PLUS replaced C3k's MD with a 2GB CF.
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BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to? Is this from the modification or something else?
I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
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Here are two detail step-by-step records of the memory surgery :
http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php...highlight=c3000 (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=43341&fpage=1&highlight=c3000) (in Chinese, done by the same guy in the previous post)
http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3kanso.htm (http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3kanso.htm) (in Japanese, it is a replacement with a 5GB MD in C3k)
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BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to? Is this from the modification or something else?
I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
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... My guess is the tape is used to protect the hinges from scratches when turning the screen.
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BTW would anyone know why there seem to be marks on the silver column the hinge is connected to? Is this from the modification or something else?
I can't tell. Blowing up the pics make it look like he's got scotch tape on there for some reason. Ask me again in ~21hrs or so.
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... My guess is the tape is used to protect the hinges from scratches when turning the screen.
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Don't think so. The teflon pads on the screen are closer to the swivel point than the tape. In fact one picture clearly shows rub-marks on the chrome from them.
Nice to see that it is possible to change the drive in the Z easily. Can't wait for MD prices to start coming down now!
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I wonder where the guy from that that first link (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=46721&fpage=1) got his zauri . I really hope that he wasnt the one who broke the plastic by the hinge with the SHARP tag on it.I could almost understand breaking one by mistake, but there is a chunk missing from both of them in the same spot (the left hand side of the sharp tag)!
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I wonder where the guy from that that first link (http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=46721&fpage=1) got his zauri . I really hope that he wasnt the one who broke the plastic by the hinge with the SHARP tag on it.I could almost understand breaking one by mistake, but there is a chunk missing from both of them in the same spot (the left hand side of the sharp tag)!
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AH HA!
That explains the tape in the earlier photos.
Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
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AH HA!
That explains the tape in the earlier photos.
Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
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You are totally correct.I couldnt see that it was the spot without tape till I copied it and blew it up.
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AH HA!
That explains the tape in the earlier photos.
Those hinges aren't broken. You can see the tab sticking out of the dark patch that activates the screen closed switch. What's going on is that he's covered *all* the chrome on the Z with scotch tape, probably to protect it against scratches when he's monkeying with the motherboards. The tabs look broken because he's cut the tape around that area so it won't interfere with the switches. He's used 4 pieces of tape, 2 on each side, and the seam we were looking at earlier is where they're joined together. There is another piece going across the sharp logo, with the cut out around the screen switch.
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Interesting idea but I've had bad luck with Scotch tape on electronics. On my Palm V I put Scotch tape over the grafitti area to protect it, which it did. I've never been able to get it off and was unwilling to try chemicals or sharp edges to assist.
On my Zaurus 5600 I put tape around the edges of the flipscreen to keep it from scratching the case any worse than it already had (no real help there!). I've never been able to get it off. I *did* try chemicals on that -- let's not talk about the results. Fortunately I had detached the flipscreen before doing so.
For the 6000 I bought a nice leather [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7706&hl=#]case[/url].
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FYI again:
The guy in the Chinese forum says the scotch tape is just to prevent fingerprints and sweat, not out of the fear to scratch the paint.
Yet he insists on using the scotch tape of the highest quailty that will leave no stain even after a long time.
He also comes up with an interesting calculation of the costs incurred: buying and swapping just the case (despite the fact that the dark case is not available for sale for now) is actually more expensive and time-consuming than buying a brand new C1000 and applying the surgery. A C1k/C3k Mod is still worth quite a lot of money in auctions.
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FYI again:
The guy in the Chinese forum says the scotch tape is just to prevent fingerprints and sweat, not out of the fear to scratch the paint.
On plastic chrome? It isn't like fingerprints and oil are going to damage it, and the tape looks worse than the fingerprints would.
Yet he insists on using the scotch tape of the highest quailty that will leave no stain even after a long time.
But of course. Nothing but the best for the Z
He also comes up with an interesting calculation of the costs incurred: buying and swapping just the case (despite the fact that the dark case is not available for sale for now) is actually more expensive and time-consuming than buying a brand new C1000 and applying the surgery. A C1k/C3k Mod is still worth quite a lot of money in auctions.
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Worth a lot in auctions? Does this guy do these things wholesale and sell them on eBay or something? I'd love to see what a black 3000 goes for
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On plastic chrome? It isn't like fingerprints and oil are going to damage it, and the tape looks worse than the fingerprints would.
Can't confirm that. At least the swivel has left no marks on the hinge of my C860. Some keys on the keyboard got a bit chipped though (already used more than 1 year). So, why bother?
But of course. Nothing but the best for the Z
I can't agree any more with you!
Worth a lot in auctions? Does this guy do these things wholesale and sell them on eBay or something? I'd love to see what a black 3000 goes for
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No, he keeps the Black C3000. That's what his C1000 is for -- just to be skinned. So instead there may be a white C1000 poping up somewhere...
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me rues the fact he has no money and cannot case swap his 3K
I Hope a Company starts selling cases, as i can't convince meself to buy a 1K simply to swap cases... yet
damn being a student!
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me rues the fact he has no money and cannot case swap his 3K
I Hope a Company starts selling cases, as i can't convince meself to buy a 1K simply to swap cases... yet
damn being a student!
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Sharp really seems to have opened a can of worms with this one! I'll have to actually go through with swapping mine soon, or I'll end up being the last one to do it
It's unlikely that a company will ever start selling cases. It is only really practical because these are identical machines and all you have to do is move the motherboard from one to another. If a third party started making cases you'd have to swap the screen, they'd have to supply the keyboard keycaps, etc. Plus, it isn't like doing a playstation case swap - PDA's are such intricate little beasts that it will probably be too expensive for someone else produce something that isn't crap.
And no, I don't ever expect Sharp to produce empty cases themselves.
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Hi all,
Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:
Zaurus shop in Japan (http://www.wolf.ne.jp/syuhen/zaurus.html)
I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.
Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.
I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.
Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
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Hi all,
Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:
Zaurus shop in Japan (http://www.wolf.ne.jp/syuhen/zaurus.html)
I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.
Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.
I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.
Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
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Well, I'll be damned. Never expected to see that. I didn't see the keyboard in there, but I just skimmed through it. Very neat site, though.
Oh well. I wanted 2 Z's anyway =)
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Hi all,
Just for information, you can get most bits of the C3000 case here:
Zaurus shop in Japan (http://www.wolf.ne.jp/syuhen/zaurus.html)
I expect the black C1000 case parts to turn up some time soon.
Mind you, when you add up the (4, I think) parts you need it's not going to be very cheap.
I've bought from these guys recently and everything came quickly and neatly packaged.
Jonathan
(Who likes the white case of his C3000 and won't open it up until after the warranty expires... probably)
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thanks for the link to that great site! I want one of those [a href=\"http://www.wolf.ne.jp/syuhen/ph12.html]PDA stands for the 1000[/url], but I can't seem to order it on the site (I don't read japanese, and it doesn't seem to work through babelfish)
hmm... anyone have more info on these stands?
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ORG,
Here's that site run through Excite Translator. Hope you can get a little more info from this:
..".. PDA for Zaurus SL-C3000/1000 STAND" Debut.
｢PDA STAND for SL-C3000/1000｣
Appearance of PDA stand.
PDA stand is taken and thing used is addition ..PDA of assumption.. keyboard
On desk SHARP Zaurus SL-C3000/1000 that cry with definitive edition of PDA is high
The bold concept under was developed use while put on the car.
It fixes to the dashboard of on the desk and the car with a double-faced tape of the attachment, and variety.
It can access information.
It is Acse in the Internet because it can use it together with the CF card such as PHS cards.
Sing can enjoy oneself driving while acquiring information.
It is composed of parts with very high accuracy manufactured at the factory in Japan.
The solid one that a movable part endures the use of a long term is adopted.
Metallic parts are multiused in consideration of the commodity characteristic that the stability when setting it up is demanded.
Weight has been given. Feeling of quality and weight feeling only of metal product
It doesn't fix with the double-faced tape on the desk to say nothing of the stability improvement in car.
It has and it is possible to do for Tsca.
Correspondence: SL-C3000/1000
Commodity type turn: PH-12
Special price \3980
(including tax)
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BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?
I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.
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As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector. I have a friend of mine who can easily sodler one, assuming the C1000 uses the same PSB and contacts on the board are indeed connected...
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Having looked carefully at both boards, I am wondering if it might not be easier to upgrade the flash in the C3000 instead?
Shame Sharp didn't bring out a 4000 model at the same time as the 1000, only with more ROM and RAM :-/ (if every time someone on OESF bemoaned Sharp's lack of insight they added 1MB, we'd have a 1GB zaurus :-)
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BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860 As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?
I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.
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We're still looking for the memory chips
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Try toshiba USA - I could find some chips there. However the problem is now finding a way to receive them
Part number is th58100tg or th58100ft (identical). If someone can purchase them I'd be happy to paypal the chips.
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depends on how much ready cash it will eat
and... if I can get pics and a how to to take a similar operation to my elecronics& soldering wizard...
edit: a search on toshibausa.com found niether chip. pointers?
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http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf (http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Datasheet/Th58100FT-01-3-5.pdf)
A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Flash/TechnicalInfo/ref_guide_010623.pdf)
UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html (http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html)
I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.
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http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf (http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Datasheet/Th58100FT-01-3-5.pdf)
A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Flash/TechnicalInfo/ref_guide_010623.pdf)
UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html (http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html)
I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.
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These are nand flash chips, and I believe c860 already has a 128MB one. I think Anton was mentioning 128MB RAM upgrade. Not sure how easy it could be done, thou. If RAM chip is in BGA packing, I think it will require a soldering station to perform such an upgrade. Even if it's TSOP, legs are still very tiny...
-albertr
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Hello
[crossposted to the SL6000 forum]
Now I have a better understanding on hardware memory upgrades - good & bad news.
The bad news: the memory stick I opened was a 8 Mb TSOP40 (bad luck - it must be TSOP48 to be hardware compatible. Anyone feel likes opening his memory stick to check if he/she's more lucky?)
The good news: with the chineese forum pics I could validate my ideas. See the following pics: the samsung chip is k9f2808u0c - google for that and you'll see the size matches the flash, and it is tsop48
http://photos6.flickr.com/7220607_3ed74e94a9_b.jpg (http://photos6.flickr.com/7220607_3ed74e94a9_b.jpg)
http://photos6.flickr.com/7220663_87696a44e5_b.jpg (http://photos6.flickr.com/7220663_87696a44e5_b.jpg)
Even better- noticed the empty spot below? You can solder a second tsop48 chip. However this may require additional hardware hacks + kernel changes to activate the 2nd bank.
My suggestion to anyone with good soldering skills and a C3000 : purchase a 128 Mb memory stick and (hopefully) find a 128 Mb nand chip inside. Transplant it to your Zaurus. It will be empty, so you will have to go to the diagnostic menu. Then restore a 128 Mb dump from a C1000 - voila, you know have a super 3000. The same should apply to any zaurus also using TSOP 48 chips.
The big question is - will it work (boot, etc.) ? Good question, so I investigated the boot loader from my 6000.
The bad news: I may or may not do with a tc58100 - the bootloader just doesn't know it. Ie - it may work, but I don't want to take risk (my soldering skills are not that good to risk my zaurus life twice)
http://externe.net/zaurus/flash/nand/parts/6000L/boot.bin (http://externe.net/zaurus/flash/nand/parts/6000L/boot.bin)
The good news: A Toshiba TC58DVG02AFT or a Samsung K9K1G08U0M are recognised by the bootloader (the default chip is TC58512FT or K9F1208U0M on a 6000, ie a 64 Mb/512MB chip)
For a Sl6000, this would require 1) flashing the rescue kernel with a special kernel that will know the flash is a 128 Mb 2) doing a nandbackup, exploding the nandbackup, increasing its size to 128 Mb 3) doing the above mentionned hack, only with a Toshiba TC58DVG02AFT or a Samsung K9K1G08U0M 4) restoring the hacked nandbackup 5) booting in the rescue kernel to reformat the 2nd partition and install an identical 1st kernel
See http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/nandmap.jpg (http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/nandmap.jpg) for kernel informations.
All this sounds like a cool hack. Now someone please find me the chips :-) I'm ready to get a Cxxxx just for the hacking purpose :-)
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http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf (http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Datasheet/Th58100FT-01-3-5.pdf)
A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Flash/TechnicalInfo/ref_guide_010623.pdf)
UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html (http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html)
I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.
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These are nand flash chips, and I believe c860 already has a 128MB one. I think Anton was mentioning 128MB RAM upgrade. Not sure how easy it could be done, thou. If RAM chip is in BGA packing, I think it will require a soldering station to perform such an upgrade. Even if it's TSOP, legs are still very tiny...
-albertr
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Yes, you're right, we're trying to find the following memory chips at reasonable price: 512 Мbit Samsung K4S51153LC in BGA packaging. We have a soldering station and everythign else that's needed.
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Ok - you are interested in *more ram*... I am looking for more flash storage - ram is fine.
I checked in transparent memory sticks and 128 mb usb keys. No luck in finding what I was looking for :-/
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hmm this looks like a ram upgrade to me:
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...%c1%fd%c0%df#i7 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%a5%b6%a5%a6%a5%eb%a5%b9%b3%ab%c8%af%a5%e1%a5%e2%2f%a5%cf%a1%bc%a5%c9%a5%a6%a5%a7%a5%a2%2fC700%a5%e1%a5%e2%a5%ea%c1%fd%c0%df#i7)
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Put me down for as much RAM and FLASH as the c300 can take, now who do i pay
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it's a real shame that the Z uses ball grid array packages (solder balls hidden under chip) rather than qfp/pqfp (pins at edge) for certain things, as it makes upgrading much harder.
now, maybe the right adaptor from this company:
http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm (http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm)
would allow us to solder a socket onto the BGA pads and then fit a PGA or QFP memory device. The snag is, there might not be enough room and make it nearly impossible to reassemble the Z, but it would allow someone to prototype an upgraded Z if they wanted to go into business.
I would be quite willing to pay someone to upgrade my Z with more RAM and flash, but I suspect it'd have to be quite expensive as if you started a company to do this, the risk that you'd have a few dead Z's and would have to buy replacements!
Paul
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it's a real shame that the Z uses ball grid array packages (solder balls hidden under chip) rather than qfp/pqfp (pins at edge) for certain things, as it makes upgrading much harder.
now, maybe the right adaptor from this company:
http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm (http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm)
would allow us to solder a socket onto the BGA pads and then fit a PGA or QFP memory device. The snag is, there might not be enough room and make it nearly impossible to reassemble the Z, but it would allow someone to prototype an upgraded Z if they wanted to go into business.
I would be quite willing to pay someone to upgrade my Z with more RAM and flash, but I suspect it'd have to be quite expensive as if you started a company to do this, the risk that you'd have a few dead Z's and would have to buy replacements!
Paul
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Or, you could "order" motherboards from Sharp, if Sharp would at all sell you mobos. Then, you just transplant the mobo and reflash with an image from the previous mobo.
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I just found out that I have a spare SAMSUNG K9F1G08U0M that is soldered to small PCB (I think it was originally a 128MB USB flash drive).
The NAND chip is good, it still works fine if connected to USB bus.
Personally, I woudn't recommend such an upgrade unless you are ready to take risks of ruining your Zaurus, but in case anyone feel lucky and want this chip, you can contact me offline.
-albertr
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sorry to dredge this u again but has there been any more progress on adding more memorey/flash i have see that someone retrofitted another usb socket and i wish i could get more info on the mod but i am more intrested in memorey
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Where did you see it (the usb thing)?
-albertr
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its been mentiond by one pearson that they put a bluetooth adaptor inside a c1000 (could have been in thisthread) but they have yet to mention how they did it and i am quite intrested as well
it would be good to have a usb ost and client port at the same time (pxa270 has 4 usb ports, 3 host, 1 client, one of the host ports can be muxed into place of the usb client port (basically means use the client pins) , the other 2 from emory arnt balanced and so dont meet the usb spec but can still be used for on bard hardware with usb interfaces)
so it is doable that guy just needs to provide some pics to prove it or tell us where the usb host port comes out to so we can solder onto it
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Ahh, if you mean posts by maxq, then I 'm with you - it brings more questions than answers.
-albertr
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I have to confess to not reading every post in this topic, so pardon me if this has been suggested. Seems that we're missing the forest for the trees here . Now if Sharp would just build in Wifi and/or Bluetooth into the 1K at the least, then you'd still be able to use both card slots for diskspace, and be able to download Gb's of your favorite tunes directly.
I mean, I have a 4Gb microdrive in the CF slot of my 1K, and a 1Gb SD card in that slot, giving me 5Gb of storage. Now it's not like I'm going to be installing Bloatware from M$ or anything, so how much diskspace is too much? If I want the entire collection of British rockers? available to me, there's always the option of buying more than 1 set of CF and SD cards, right?
Am I missing something here? Or are we just not going to satisfied until we can carry a Cray around in our shirt pocket?
Regards,
gdog