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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Angstrom & OpenZaurus => Topic started by: Gondola on April 13, 2005, 01:36:00 pm
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Well, I flashed with the 6000 version of the OZ 3.5.3 release (opie updater.data if that matters). I followed the instructions on the Installation site exactly. It went through the flashing process and gave me the "Please reset" message.
I waited a couple minutes to make sure it finished, then hit the reset on the back with the stylus, then tried turning it on, but nothing happened. I repeatedly tried to reset, power-on, no results. I opened it up and turned the battery backup off, left it for a while, put it back together and returned it to the base; it started charging. I left it for over an hour then tried to boot again, no luck.
I kept it on the charging base all the time except for when I had to physically remove it to remove the battery.
I'm not sure what else to do..
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Well, I am in the process of restoring; the "hold d and p while resetting" thing worked to get me into the maintenance menu.
I was worried there for a bit.
Well, I flashed with the 6000 version of the OZ 3.5.3 release (opie updater.data if that matters). I followed the instructions on the Installation site exactly. It went through the flashing process and gave me the "Please reset" message.
I waited a couple minutes to make sure it finished, then hit the reset on the back with the stylus, then tried turning it on, but nothing happened. I repeatedly tried to reset, power-on, no results. I opened it up and turned the battery backup off, left it for a while, put it back together and returned it to the base; it started charging. I left it for over an hour then tried to boot again, no luck.
I kept it on the charging base all the time except for when I had to physically remove it to remove the battery.
I'm not sure what else to do..
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The NAND restore worked. Thanks to the posted NAND backups, I was able to get my 6k restored back to the stock Sharp load.
Also, FYI, I was able to restore from an SD card -- CF was not necessary in my case. (Lexar 1gb SD).
Well, I am in the process of restoring; the "hold d and p while resetting" thing worked to get me into the maintenance menu.
I was worried there for a bit.
Well, I flashed with the 6000 version of the OZ 3.5.3 release (opie updater.data if that matters). I followed the instructions on the Installation site exactly. It went through the flashing process and gave me the "Please reset" message.
I waited a couple minutes to make sure it finished, then hit the reset on the back with the stylus, then tried turning it on, but nothing happened. I repeatedly tried to reset, power-on, no results. I opened it up and turned the battery backup off, left it for a while, put it back together and returned it to the base; it started charging. I left it for over an hour then tried to boot again, no luck.
I kept it on the charging base all the time except for when I had to physically remove it to remove the battery.
I'm not sure what else to do..
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It looks like the instructions need to be updated.
Here's my recommendation (I don't have a 6000, but from the look of the files, this is the way it needs to be done now):
in http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/)
Rename the kernel, zImage-tosa-20050409225341.bin to zImage.bin
Choose one of the ROM images:
bootstrap-image-tosa-20050409225341.rootfs.jffs2
gpe-image-tosa-20050409225341.rootfs.jffs2
opie-image-tosa-20050409225341.rootfs.jffs2
Rename to initrd.bin
Stick the initrd.bin, zImage.bin and updater.sh (from the above directory) on your CF card, then follow the instructions from step 7 (Connect AC adapter to your Zaurus SL-6000 handheld.)
Outdated instructions here (but you still need to follow the end of them):
http://openzaurus.org/web/index.php?option...id=32&Itemid=44 (http://openzaurus.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=44)
Si
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Just an update. Oddly enough, NONE of my md5sums are correct compared to http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstabl...6000/md5sum.txt (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/sl6000/md5sum.txt) except for updater.sh. I'm going to try to re-download them and try again.
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Okay, so md5sums are an additional problem.
Do follow my instructions though; they have been confirmed as working on #openzaurus - the instructions on OZ.org need updating.
Si
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Another update
Installed Opie. The default icons and such are a bit small, but it's a very usable system.
The biggest problems I ran into were the keymap and the requirement to manually configure the wireless, instead of being able to do so through the GUI.
Going to check out GPE next..
Just an update. Oddly enough, NONE of my md5sums are correct compared to http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstabl...6000/md5sum.txt (http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/sl6000/md5sum.txt) except for updater.sh. I'm going to try to re-download them and try again.
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Thanks for the tip, lardman. The files were my original problem (copied the wrong ones, corrupt downloads, whatever), but I would have run into another roadblock had I stuck with their install instructions.
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The default icons are only small if you didn't read the OZ release notes hence forgot to remove $HOME/Settings/qpe.conf
You can do it afterwards by copying /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/skel/qpe.conf to $HOME/Settings/qpe.conf
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Anybody else having clock issues?? Mine is already 2 hours behind!
Okay something to add. It has Anchorage being 7 hours ahead of LA. We are only 1 hour ahead. That would be gmt -9, I think that is what is screwing up my clock. Is there any way to either fix the offset or turn off network time??
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installed gpe.
wireless (from console) is excellent.
suspend/resume works perfectly.
the gui package installer is still weak--crashes if asked to handle dependencies
I had a problem with libs. libcrypto just would not install.. and ipkg kept saying it couldn't find ldconfig (a kind of big problem). This could very well be user error or a botched install. Has anyone else had anything like this?
without libcrypto (I think that was the problem) i couldn't do ssl w/ minimo--though actually I couldn't even log onto zug w/ minimo--it wouldn't send user info. browsed nicely though.
I also had auth probs trying scp and ssh. my guess is that was libcrypto too..though I'm not sure.
didn't get a chance to try gxine yet.
gtk packages I didn't see (I assume they can be bitbaked without too much trouble though) but expected. abiword, gnumeric, firefox, dillo.
A definite improvement (though the 2.6 will really make the difference, I suspect).
I will poke at it some more
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I still can't make my wireless work. I configured the /etc/network/interfaces according to the existing 3.5.2 documentation, which appears to differ in format from what the GUI app will create if you try to use it.
Unfortunately, there's no wlan0 listed in the GUI app, and if I try to do a "write in" in the drop box it says that wlan0 already exists.
I'm using 128 (108) bit WEP with DHCP. When I do "ifup wlan0" the wireless LED lights up, but the console just says "Discovery..." a few times then gives up.
If someone with a working wlan0 config w/WEP could post it I'd appreciate it, thanks..
(Psst, that means you, adf )
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fire up a console
su
/sbin/ifup wlan0
that's it
to turn it off:
su /sbin/ifdown wlan0
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Here's my config.
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
hostname zaurus
wireless_essid myssid
wireless_enc on
wlan_ng_default_key_id 0
wlan_ng_key0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
I discovered a typo in my key when I was posting it. Heh. It's working now!
The wireless connects a lot faster with OZ3.5.3/GPE than it used to with the Sharp OS.
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Sorry--I thought you were having gui rather than wep problems.
Any luck with ssl, usename password on websites w/ minimo?
ideas on gpe package weirdness (like it must be user error?)
Has anyone else tried gpe?
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I've tried installing some packages from the OZ site, but everything blows up very spectacularly (from CLI), saying things like, filesystem full, can't write to files, bizzare paths that start with "//", and things like that.
Minimo just croaks, no error message or anything, but I haven't tried from the CLI to see if I get an error message, or looked at messages or anything. I need to do that.
Also, I get that odd error about not finding the categories file or the categories file is corrupt. I forget the exact error, the OE Forums weren't responding earlier when I had it on the screen to see and post the exact message.
GPE *looks* really nice, and I would really like to be able to use it, but a lot of things seem to be broken, for me at least. Probably mistakes on my part or lack of knowledge.
Sorry--I thought you were having gui rather than wep problems.
Any luck with ssl, usename password on websites w/ minimo?
ideas on gpe package weirdness (like it must be user error?)
Has anyone else tried gpe?
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Hmmm. i mirrored OZ and put the feed on my cf. I then manually edited /etc/ipkg.conf to point to the variuos subdirs in that feed. I still had issues w/ installation.
What you are describing, versus what I am describing, is sugestive of a flashing problem-- something isn't goin right and causing errors. this happened on Qtopia 2.1 too.
in Qtopis the solution was to flash to factory fresh sharp then reflash. maybe that should be tried here too?
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"Potential flashing issue":
Just FYI, I installed GPE on top of Opie. I can do a NAND restore to stock if you think that will help.
"categories":
When I boot into GPE, from a "reboot", I got an empty error message box. If I click on it, the message displays: "unable to open database: /root/gpe/categories". The screen doesn't refresh, and I can move this window around (black background) leaving orphan Error windows all over until I "OK" it.
Minimo:
** ERROR **: Cannot open config file!
aborting..
Aborted
I did some Googling to try to figure out where the config file is supposed to reside and what it should be called, but I couldn't find anything.
wlan/suspend:
I had some weirdness with the wlan too. When the Z suspended, my ssh session to the Z went down (obviously) but when it came out of suspend and supposedly brought the wlan back up (the panel gizmo stated the network connection was established), I couldn't reconnect. wlan disappeared and I had to reboot to get it back. However, I understand the suspend issues are likely normal based on my reading of the release notes.. just stating my experiences.
Hmmm. i mirrored OZ and put the feed on my cf. I then manually edited /etc/ipkg.conf to point to the variuos subdirs in that feed. I still had issues w/ installation.
What you are describing, versus what I am describing, is sugestive of a flashing problem-- something isn't goin right and causing errors. this happened on Qtopia 2.1 too.
in Qtopis the solution was to flash to factory fresh sharp then reflash. maybe that should be tried here too?
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I dunno. we have the same device, but different issues as a result of a supposedly fresh installation. That can't be right. I doubt one of our Zs has flaked out without us knowing.
So.... the problem is maybe in the installation?
To get a "uniform installation experience" maybe a nand restore to factory fresh condition is in order?
Obviously i'm guessing...
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Unless I get a brick out of it, what harm can it do? I'll go ahead and NAND restore then reinstall GPE and report back here after.
I dunno. we have the same device, but different issues as a result of a supposedly fresh installation. That can't be right. I doubt one of our Zs has flaked out without us knowing.
So.... the problem is maybe in the installation?
To get a "uniform installation experience" maybe a nand restore to factory fresh condition is in order?
Obviously i'm guessing...
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Preliminary findings (been a bit busy, so haven't tested much).
Anyway, restored from stock Sharp NAND backup.
Installed OZ353GPE over that.
Copied my interfaces file back over, brought the wifi up no problem.
Ran minimo, no crash this time. I don't know if I like Minimo all that much. Its rendering leaves a lot to be desired (tables go boom). Also it's very slow, although maybe some cache tweaking can help that.
Have yet to test for installing ipks and such, so, more to come tomorrow.
Unless I get a brick out of it, what harm can it do? I'll go ahead and NAND restore then reinstall GPE and report back here after.
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so.... we have confirmed something of a flashing issue maybe? (I've been messing with guylhem rom today and will check the "clean setup" gpe flash tomorrow)
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Ok. a clean "factory" setup seems to be helpful. reset before flashing to oz? (is there an issue with the updater?--same prob maybe same updater in qtopia 2.1?)
I'm mostly interested in gpe. Opie looked well done, as usual, and better functioning on the 6k this time around.
gxine seems like just what was needed. I can't get any streams yet, but the idea is exactly right.
minimo, after many resets an uninstalling reinstaling and general fiddling WILL NOT send identification/usernames, etc from login boxes. seems like it should be fixable--the version in 3.5.2 didn't do this-- but it is a big problem. Is this just me? if not maybe it should be looked at more carefully? feedback 600 users?
PrBOOM. There IS a prboom and a prboom-opie in the feeds. why does prboom (non0-opie_ ask me for libqpe?
This is an almost-ready-for-primetime release. The gui settings stuff needs to be fixed, as all know. The package installer has improved greatly but could go a bit further. Both easily worked around.
minimo needs to work.
I guess some bitbaking and a little use of the commandline and this will be good to go.
(I sure hope I get some feedback on my oe error)
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I believe I read in one of the many many threads about OZ that it doesn't re-write the /home directory. So perhaps something in /home (user directories, permissions, existing files) is screwing up minimo.
For me, minimo in this incarnation is useless. Tables don't work right. Usernames/passwords don't get passed.
Wifi is useless in this incarnation as well. wlan0 disappears after a suspend, which means a reboot after every suspend.. which is not gonna work for me. Makes it impractical to use.
I *could* overcome the minimo problem by installing another browser, but the wifi problem is a dealbreaker.
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I believe I read in one of the many many threads about OZ that it doesn't re-write the /home directory. So perhaps something in /home (user directories, permissions, existing files) is screwing up minimo.
Try ~/.minimo
Use ls - a
Wifi is useless in this incarnation as well. wlan0 disappears after a suspend, which means a reboot after every suspend.. which is not gonna work for me. Makes it impractical to use.
What happens if you 'cardctl eject && cardctl insert'
Si
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what is ~/minimo?
wireless is pretty easy with ifup/ifdown. just do ifup aagain when you come out of suspension.
if my oe (see thread on oe) were working id build firefox and mess with minimo at leisure (maybe rebuild that too)
what would reading/writing to home do to keep minimo from sending info? why seemingly just on the 6k? yargh. this makes very little sense... does minimo send itself a cookie before sending data?
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lardman:
What happens if you 'cardctl eject && cardctl insert'
This worked to resurrect my internal wifi! Thanks! I'll have to write a script to do that, then ifup the interface, and make it available as an icon so I don't have to go to terminal all the time.
adf:
what is ~/minimo?
I assume it's where minimo stores your preferences/minimo conf file?
wireless is pretty easy with ifup/ifdown. just do ifup aagain when you come out of suspension.
Mine wouldn't work with a simple ifdown/ifup. The cardctl eject/insert command that lardman posted worked.
if my oe (see thread on oe) were working id build firefox and mess with minimo at leisure (maybe rebuild that too)
I'd like to get a working compile environment too. Is it documented on the OZ site on how to do that? For the 6k?
what would reading/writing to home do to keep minimo from sending info? why seemingly just on the 6k? yargh. this makes very little sense... does minimo send itself a cookie before sending data?
I was referring to the fact that minimo wouldn't even start for me after installing GPE over my Opie install; if /home doesn't get erased and written from scratch, perhaps something already in /home from the Opie install was fubaring my minimo. Aside from that, I don't know from minimo, except that it can't render tables right for me, which sucks.
I'll have to find a Firefox/Konqueror or some other alternative to minimo. I like GPE and would like to make it my fulltime OS on my Z.
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yeah--see the openemmbedded.org wiki getting started page.
getting oe going isn't too terrible.
the browser thing is a pain. I was really looking forward to a working minimo. I guess there will be one soon enough
I currently have no idea how to keep it builkding 3.5.3, though... it has changed and builds nothing atm.
I'm sure lardman knows.
off to the oe forum
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what is ~/minimo?
Not alot , but if you put the dot back in: ~/.minimo - it is the config file for minimo as Gondola said.
Si
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yeah. it is. lmao
the point being that the config file bears editing..
I'll have a look later on.
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I wrote a script to reset the wifi.
/sbin/cardctl eject
sleep 4
/sbin/cardctl insert
sleep 4
/sbin/ifup wlan0
Running the script will fix the wifi the first time I run it, but on subsequence suspends/unsuspends, the wlan0 interface disappears again.
Error message follows:
wlanctl-ng: No such device
Failed to enable the device, exitcode= 1 .
run-parts: /etc/network-if-pre-up.d/wlan-ng exited with return code 1: Success
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I saw something similar-- the suspend/esume thing-- once. I rebooted, and that seems to have been the end of it..
atm, I am on my sharp setup though--- I need an ssl able browser, and since my sharprom qtbased system is already working and backed up, it seemed easier to use than to configure and add software toan unconfigured opie.
any luck with minimo?
I'll get back to it today, maybe.
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The Opera that comes with the base Sharp install can do tables, why can't Minimo? Minimo is dead to me for that feature if nothing else. Why have a nice 640x480 display if you can't take advantage of it? My minimo won't even show scrollbars. It's just not ready for primetime.
I'm looking for a Konqueror or Opera for the OZ 3.5.3.. if the suspend problem ever gets fixed. I looked at the feeds provided and didn't see any other browsers. But maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.
I saw something similar-- the suspend/esume thing-- once. I rebooted, and that seems to have been the end of it..
atm, I am on my sharp setup though--- I need an ssl able browser, and since my sharprom qtbased system is already working and backed up, it seemed easier to use than to configure and add software toan unconfigured opie.
any luck with minimo?
I'll get back to it today, maybe.
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then the options are firefox on gpe, fix minimo
or bag gpe and use opie if you want to have konqueror, or opera.
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I presume dillo is not up to scratch then (it's another GPE browser)?
My preference would be on fixing minimo - is this a GPE-build specific issue or a generic one?
Scrollbars aren't a major issue (a pain yes, but it's still usable without them by using the cursor keys)
Si
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I presume dillo is not up to scratch then (it's another GPE browser)?
Haven't tried dillo.
My preference would be on fixing minimo - is this a GPE-build specific issue or a generic one?
Dunno, I haven't tried any other versions of minimo.. I would assume it's a bug on this specific version/platform, because tables would seem to be a pretty important issue, but I've been wrong in assumptions before.
Scrollbars aren't a major issue (a pain yes, but it's still usable without them by using the cursor keys)
Si
Well, it wouldn't be too bad, except in trying to fix the yellow lines graphic artifact, I killed key repeats. I'm going to try Opie again. It seems like GPE just has issue after issue.
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Dillo is great. It simply doesn't do ssl yet. Or, to be more specific, ssl isn't fully implemented. On the gpe version I think (not sure) that it simply doesn't do ssl. it certainly doesn't "out of the box."
I think, based on what has been said by others, that maybe minimo deosn't play well with the 6000.
One of my plans was to rebuild it on oe.. but I didn't get the version thing sorted out before I got a read error on one of my drives. I'm writing this from knoppix, while I dl a rescuecd that has dd_rescue.
While on the subject, has anyone actually got ir keyboards working with gpe? In theory it can be done. I'm just not really clear on the implementation.
and (since I can't look at the metadata just now) photo app for the sharpcamera? v4l? gphoto? something? available yet?
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i've had a fairly bad experience so far with OZ on the 6000. I don't think i can install it, or even boot normally. i'm giving the install 10 more minutes. it would be nice if the install would give an indication that it was installing instead of giving the CG Silicon "please wait 30 seconds" screen.
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That has to be user error, or flashing from a setup the oz updater isn"t handling. It certainly boots, in both flavors.Don"t give up there! find something that really doesn't work, then look at all the cool stuff that really does.
for example, it is very cool to see the xine logo come up on a handheld.....don't you think?
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@thechris: which flashing instructions did you follow?
Si
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Opie and GPE definitely don't play well together if you intend to flash one, then the other.
Restore from a NAND backup to the original Sharp ROM before you install OZ and things go much more smoothly. At least that's my experience.
@thechris: which flashing instructions did you follow?
Si
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