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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: chris08 on May 19, 2005, 08:08:02 pm
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I took some shots of KDE running natively on the Z in pdaXrom. As always, my compliments to Sashz, Laze and the pdaXrom team!
Programms in KDE take some time to load, but once they are up, speed is quite tolerable.
Here are some pictures (http://www.staerkel.org/pdaxrom) of KDE running on my 750 from SD card.
Take care
chris
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SH*T! very cool.
How snappy is ist..compared to the default wm?
how did you get it loaded... i got a bunch of ./opt does not exist errors (maybe because I don't have /home?)
where does it load its files?
tell us more
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where is feeds of KED?
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I took some shots of KDE running natively on the Z in pdaXrom. As always, my compliments to Sashz, Laze and the pdaXrom team!
Programms in KDE take some time to load, but once they are up, speed is quite tolerable.
Here are some pictures (http://www.staerkel.org/pdaxrom) of KDE running on my 750 from SD card.
Take care
chris
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for start on default (that will init kde right) from clean console:
ln -sf /usr/lib/kde/bin/startkde ~/.xinitrc
startx
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KDE 3.4 Hmmm?
Runs knx, I presume??
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software feed?
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http://212.10.30.205/rc10/Zaurus-7x0-860/feed/ (http://212.10.30.205/rc10/Zaurus-7x0-860/feed/)
kdelibs kdebase
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thank for your help.Mr. pqas
fn key is unable
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ohhhh.. Did we forget to mention that ;-)
He he... Don't try to install to root btw.. :-)
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thank for your help.Mr. pqas
fn key is unable
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Just "startx" - to start the default window manager
Then in an "aterm" : "startkde"
(The windows aren't as pretty, it uses a bit more memory, but the fn-key works for right click)
I think this is the way it was running on the screenshots in the first post.
Have fun
Chero.
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KDE does run surprizing well
Attached is couple of screenshots. pdaXrom is so great! I've got my choice of WMs by simply modifying my .xinitrc file:
#!/bin/sh
#sudo -u zaurus xscreensaver -nosplash&
##KDE
/mnt/card/usr/lib/kde/bin/startkde
##fvwm
#/home/root/.xinitrc.fvwm
#matchbox
#/usr/bin/mbsession
#Rox Pinboard
#/home/root/.xinitrc.mb [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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Thanks pdaXrom Team!!
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I tested KDE for RC10 on SL-C3000 running RC9 chrooted from Qtopia. The qt-mt-3.3 should be replaced additionally from the feed of RC10. It works much faster compared with the KDE works on SL-C3000 running debian chrooted from Qtopia.
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kde-feed mirrored here (as of time/date of this post)
http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/.../rc10/kde-feed/ (http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/rc10/kde-feed/)
Guys --
What's the memory footprint of this KDE vs the standard pdaXrom X env?
What's important to me is minimal X startup for maximum memory...
Scott
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Guys --
What's the memory footprint of this KDE vs the standard pdaXrom X env?
What's important to me is minimal X startup for maximum memory...
Scott
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Well, I'm not sure how practical using KDE as an interface is. It definately blows away my geek friends when I show them it can be done. To me it's more of a novelty than something I'll use very much. I still prefer ROX or fvwm, they are much easier on the memory and can be run from internal RAM instead of the slow SD.
Mem: 60236K used, 1772K free, 0K shrd, 804K buff, 31372K cached
Load average: 2.71, 2.59, 2.58 (State: S=sleeping R=running, W=waiting)
PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND
3 root RWN 0 1 91.1 0.0 kapm-idled
1743 root R 10M 1 3.1 18.0 kdeinit
1760 root R 14M 1 1.5 24.4 kdeinit
1770 root R 12M 1735 1.5 19.9 kdeinit
1775 root R 680 1771 1.1 1.0 top
1705 root R < 3552 1704 0.7 5.7 X
12 root SW 0 0 0.3 0.0 kupdated
1756 root S 10M 1735 0.1 18.0 kdeinit
1758 root S 12M 1 0.0 20.7 kdeinit
1774 root S 10M 1735 0.0 17.6 abiword
1762 root S 10060 1 0.0 16.2 kdeinit
1755 root S 9184 1 0.0 14.8 kdeinit
1752 root S 9124 1 0.0 14.7 kdeinit
1738 root S 8796 1 0.0 14.1 kdeinit
1740 root S 8388 1735 0.0 13.5 kdeinit
1763 root S 7960 1735 0.0 12.8 kdeinit
1735 root S 7104 1 0.0 11.4 kdeinit
309 root S 3060 301 0.0 4.9 ntpd
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I backupped my .xinitrc, installed kde from the repository on my sd card (ext formatted), made the "ln -s" thing to let use /usr/lib/kde/bin/startkde as xinitrc, and added on top of the new xinitrc the xmodmap line you can find in the backupped xinitrc (the stock one).
Result: I'm using kde with fn key working as expected.
Really amazing
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trying the same now on my 6k. I don't know if I'll keep it like this---- but it is nice to see that logo come up
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How many people here would use KDE if i were to 'tune' it for pdaXrom?
ie. battery, suspend, wifi, etc..
proper menus, slim it down...
does anyone care?
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How many people here would use KDE if i were to 'tune' it for pdaXrom?
ie. battery, suspend, wifi, etc..
proper menus, slim it down...
does anyone care?
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That would be great!
But there would be a lot of work to get it usable.
One thing I miss e.g. is the awareness of rotation.
For that to work the code would have to be patched.
Another is the use of rtti in KDE that blows up
the runtime code. If you would get rid of it it
should use less memory.
Christoph
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I think I would. .....I have ambitions of running K3B on a usb cdr
seriously, if it were stable an the keymap was good and khtml (I have been seeng some pcre lib issues) worked ...etc. yeah, I'd use it. I really like kde, and that would open the door for brining in some of kdes very cool built in stuff. and then we can all worry about getting koffice working
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How many people here would use KDE if i were to 'tune' it for pdaXrom?
ie. battery, suspend, wifi, etc..
proper menus, slim it down...
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Good luck with the last one!
If you can substantially slim it down, I might consider it for a day-to-day environment. For now, I see those libraries as a way to port stuff from KDE that I can't get anywhere else. I' m thinking of KNX, in particular. For me, having that running would be worth dedicating most of the PDA's resources.
But maybe the Linux PDA fairy in Japan will send me a way to put 256MB of RAM on my Z, without choking the battery.
Good luck with the last one! 8)
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I dunno..with swapd running kde isn't too terribly bad now.
8 was thinking of keeping fluxbox as a backup.... when the z might function more as a pim than laptop. The default wm is probably the best default, but full kde has so many possibilities
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I would really like to use it.
But it would need a battery monitor (maybe it has, and i haven't found it)
My main problem is that i can't use suspend/resume. The system doesn't seem to function any more after this.
Am i the only one that has this problem ?
I ran kde-apps (e.g. Kbudget) on pocketworkstation (rc9.1) and had the same problem.
chero
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I need... er... um... would really like to have...
X win, firefox, emacs and gcc ... at the same time.
Why? Well, X win because I am doing graphics programming, unless there is an SDL vnc viewer and I can view a vncserver from console with sdl vnc client... emacs because I am editing code and I'd rather slit my wrists than vi code... although, I could probably get away with uEmacs (if they just would fix the d@mn search and replace.... gcc, er, really g++ (I lied) .. because I'm doing Qt w/ c++ (no, not python or perl)... and lastly, a browser, so I can see pages, API and google when I'm stuck and slashdot when I'm needing a quick humor^H^H^H^H^H break.
I do ok, until it comes to the g++ part. If I kill the browser, then I'm ok.... I guess I could run swap, as I don't need to go back and forth... plus, the idea with the pda is that it's not my primary so I don't need speed -- and most of when I would do more work is when I'm not able to use firefox anyway (ie: remote, plane, subay/train).
Overall, the PDA provides just about everything I need. I certainly don't need or want full KDE on *this* device. In fact, XFCE4 seems to be very nice and it has some pretty controls, etc.
I'm not really sure what the "cached" means when it comes to memory on this device. I always seem to have like 53MB cached or something high... but then I can run a ton of programs and not run out of memory. Is there any tool that gives you a clear breakdown of memory and what is left? For instance, do those little applets for the bar at the bottom really each take of 1.2MB? running 6-8 of them seems like a total waste!
Remember, with a 760/860 -- you can "fast load" every single app that the device comes with(out of the box) ... with the 64MB ram. That's pretty damn nice, if you're into fast response and PDA type stuff.
Anyway, I just don't see a real win by bogging down a light-weight system with a full-blown desktop suite.
... just my opinion and needs.
Here's what's more important to me -- instead of KDE -- how about running win95 with reasonable speed? (ya, mostly for games)
Scott
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How many people here would use KDE if i were to 'tune' it for pdaXrom?
ie. battery, suspend, wifi, etc..
proper menus, slim it down...
does anyone care?
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Gets my vote
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hbo -
Why kNX?
I am the maintainer of nxrun - an open source NX client that does not rely on any kde code.
It is lightweight and perfect for the Z. It is part of the FreeNX project.
kNX is currently unsupported, and we plan to eventually integrate my code into it anyhow. kNX does not support 1.4.0 encrypted sessions and has not been touched in a year.
The source for nxrun is available in cvs here: http://freenx.berlios.de/ (http://freenx.berlios.de/)
Anyone who can get this compiled for pdaXrom I will gladly help in any way. I have not got a compile environment for pdaXrom working yet.
Obviously, this depends on having the open source NX components compiled as well.
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fantastc! just cheerleeding, I haven't got a dev setup yet either, but this great news fo me
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One way to tune kde is probably to use a similar approach as gentoo with it's split ebuilds for kdebase and other packages. kdelibs maybe can be downsized with disabling several components (DO_NOT_COMPILE).
While you are at it, leave konqueror out and include krusader. Drop xmms and include amarok(yes, i know, it's not christmas time, but anyway)
I, personally would very like to see kde 3.4(.1) on a zaurus, since it is the DE of my choice on my gentoo-box. Tuning it would be therefor appreciated. Right now i have oz/opie 3.5.3 on my c860, but since i cannot use it as a card reader is quite a bit annoying. So switching back to pdaXrom is on my mind right now.
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hmmm. I can see krusader v. konqueror as a file browser, but would there be any gain keeping it (konqueror--maybe faster than firefox when running kde?) as a web browser?
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Question for someone who has installed KDE: How do KDE applications perform when KDE isn't used as the desktop? Specifically, I would like to see if something like Kate runs well from the regular pdaXrom window manager. Kate should be part of the kdebase package.
Edit: I went ahead and installed kdebase, etc. Kate runs surprisingly well from within the default window manager. After the first time it is run, start up seems to be somewhat less than 55 sec.
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hmmm. I can see krusader v. konqueror as a file browser, but would there be any gain keeping it (konqueror--maybe faster than firefox when running kde?) as a web browser?
Now that you mention it, when thinking about it it would be better to include only konqueror, and use it as the main browser. So no need to include krusader, i also have seen konqueror on opie running with 2 windows.
Still, the kdebase-package with it's 26 MB is way too big for the little rom of the zaurii. Certain apps and/or infrastructure is not needed there.
Finally we may end up with pdaxrom either split up into one kde-edition, mb/xfce and others, or pdaxrom should in general provide only base packages, leaving all internet/ office/Multimedia up to the user, which would get my vote here.
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ooops wrong thread....
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I have installed KDE 3.4 into the rom, both libs and base. I had to remove some packages (xmms, abiword and others), and made a 90 MB root partition ( i have a c860).
Both are huge, but the size can be reduced, for future builds (kdelibs-3.4.1).
At first, when compiling, one might make use of DO_NOT_COMPILE, and omit compiling stuff like kdeprint and others, especially arts.
example:
DO_NOT_COMPILE="arts debian kdeprint"
For a complete list please take a look at the archive, every subdirectory is an option if i got the configure script right.
After building kdelibs and kdebase, one might remove changelogs, wallpapers, sounds, help-templates for languages other than "en",
I would like to compile kde myself, and while i am at it, the rom as a whole. Are there any special instructions i have to follow, or is it as easy as to download pdaxrom-builder, all the sources, the toolchain and then go?
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there are some instructions for the builder here:
http://212.10.30.205/docs/pdaxrom-builder/...d-rom-yourself/ (http://212.10.30.205/docs/pdaxrom-builder/build-rom-yourself/)
Note that for the whole rom you have to build 2 toolchains: gcc 3.x for the applications and gcc 2.95 for the kernel.
I you only want to build kde you can use the cross compile sdk.
One problem that I see with your approach is that people interested in kde might be interested by all the bells an whistles and start to complain that they can't find the xxx package. Finding just the right set of packages is a hard task and in the end there is still someone who asks for something else.
There is a better way (much more time consuming) which is to make a lot of small packages. So that one can choose what he wants
Just my 2 cents, of course, as if you do so people will start complaining that it's a pain to install so many small packages and ask for an all in one ipk .
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Note that for the whole rom you have to build 2 toolchains: gcc 3.x for the applications and gcc 2.95 for the kernel
That's bad news. I would have liked to compile all with gcc-3.4.4 from my gentoo-toolchain, but the i would have to switch to kernel 2.6.11, where the cardreader functionality is probably not implemented, as far as i know.
Of course thanks for the link, it seems to be the prototype of the new pdaxrom-page.
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Just my 2 cents, of course, as if you do so people will start complaining that it's a pain to install so many small packages and ask for an all in one ipk .
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I would rather see lots of small packages, my biggest gripe about gentoo (which I run everywhere) is that kde is huge all or nothing monster.
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a) any new progress w/ kde? the original stuff was cool..but the optimizations are something I've been looking forward to.... that and working khtml.....
this whole thing raises an issue. Maybe the feeeds should be split into main and varius gui feeds? having all the kde, or xfce specific stuff in one place
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this whole thing raises an issue. Maybe the feeeds should be split into main and varius gui feeds? having all the kde, or xfce specific stuff in one place
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I agree with that, having a selection of feeds would be essential
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I just ran a program to make a feed out of the xfce4 ipks I was mirroring -- and the damn
program rm'd most of the files! (I didn't even know it had that "feature")
ug
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what about splitting the package?
I'd like to install only konqueror, as half-way alternative to firefox and dillo (found it usefull sometimes), and I'm sure there are a lot of apps we could desire to use even without the whole (stripped) environment
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have you guys got konqueror rendering html ? I keep getting a khtml error followed by a view of the html, etc.... instead of a page. maybe I missed an update?
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I did a ipkg install kdebase which then installed all its dependances, didn't get any errors. But when I run startkde I get an error saying. "Could not start KdeInit. Check your installation"
did I do something wrong?
I do notice undefined symbol errors on libkdefx.so.4... hrmm
im using a Zaurus C 760 RC9 and kde is installed to SD card (/mnt/card/)