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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: gcf on August 25, 2005, 04:15:11 am
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we will see if and when Sharp will go for it ;-)
The Chip uses only 600 milli Watts and is said to have "25% more performance than the Bulverde"
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I saw an article on theregister.co.uk for aug23. It states release for q4 2005. I wonder what the turn around time is for a new device using it.
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I don't know if it is possible put the new Xscale on the SL-Cxxx series.
Other guys had said that we can expect another SL-Cxxx model this year.
So sound good if Sharp releases a SL-Cxxx with the new Xscale, But I think that it would be possible just if this new Xscale ("monahan") is similar in structure to put it on the SL-Cxxx models, because we all know that Sharp had just few changes between every release that they do.
But sound like a good dream a SL-Cxxx with the new Hitachi 8Gb and the new Xscale
Best Regards
Anyone knows an event where this release could happend??
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But sound like a good dream a SL-Cxxx with the new Hitachi 8Gb and the new Xscale
and video out and 6k screen
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But sound like a good dream a SL-Cxxx with the new Hitachi 8Gb and the new Xscale
and video out and 6k screen
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I sure do want that video out.
It sound like the CPU/GPU and bus speed have been holding it up.
I'll keep dreaming...
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more speed and storage is good and nice to have but what really is needed is more memory and video out.
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more speed and storage is good and nice to have but what really is needed is more memory and video out.
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memory....yessss.......neeed memory.
really, they could make C series with a 600mhz 270 with a 270g and 256megs ram and video out now.... and they could still profit handsomely selling it for what they charge for their current models.
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but the battery life would probably suffer horribly.
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yeah, and integrated bluetooth, wifi, gprs/umts, while keeping cf/sd slots !!! I'd definitely upgrade my old c750 then!
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yeah, and integrated bluetooth, wifi, gprs/umts, while keeping cf/sd slots !!! I'd definitely upgrade my old c750 then!
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bluetooth + wifi + gprs/umts + cf slot + sd slot + built-in gps
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bluetooth + wifi + gprs/umts + cf slot + sd slot + built-in gps
And don't forget a built-in umd disk reader/burner.
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A convergence handheld device would be all of these things: a cell phone, a TV, a radio, a computer, a GPS navigation system, a wireless network device, and a digital still/motion camera. A cell phone, TV, radio, GPS navigation and wireless networking all involve radio or microwaves. An emerging wireless standard, WiMAX, allows wireless communication over a range of 8 miles at Ethernet speeds. If you have a WiMAX link from a handheld computer to a desktop computer system, then the desktop computer can provide the TV, radio, and telephone functionality. Some people are trying to use the known locations of wireless access points to perform a kind of triangulation similar to GPS navigation, but that would work best in urban areas. If a projector or external monitor had wireless capabilities built-in, then there would be no need for a separate monitor adapter.
A proposed specification for the next generation of digital monitor interfaces uses differential signaling on a reduced number of wires, sort of like a high-speed serial connection. Perhaps USB2 or the next generation of wireless USB could be made compatible with that. A company named Rambus has a high-speed signaling technology called XDR which would seem well-suited to handheld devices, because less board space and a fewer number of communication lines are required for high bandwidth data flow with XDR technology.
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A convergence handheld device would be all of these things: a cell phone, a TV, a radio, a computer, a GPS navigation system, a wireless network device, and a digital still/motion camera.
Let's dream for a while ;-)
But yes, this thing emerges from several directions at once...
But even if no physical and technical limits put a size limit for this, ergonomic considerations do so - the keyboard and screen needs some decent size to be of use.
Zaurus comes close to this for my opinion, it just could be thinner and lighter.
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boy you guys go really off topic. The topic is the monahan cpu and not what we want in a PDA.
The zaurus has typically kept up with the latest and greatest CPU (maybe not clock speed) and I believe there is a real possibliity of seeing this one next year.
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and even for what we want in a pda the suggestion seem to be way off base and a dream list.
Can we stick to reality and practicality please...
Point is apart from speed, what does the new chip offer in a big improvement sort of way - oh yes power consumption savings. Thats big. But what else ?
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Yeah i was wondring about interconnects with this new chip, can we expect to see ddr ram support or USB2.0 client/host - that seems to be popular amoung other embbeded chip manufactrers at the moment and the other products in thier xscale line already have that stuff
just as refrence you might want to look at the rest of the xscale range (it already goes up to 1Ghz, PCI express Dual processors, up to 4GB of ram (one model supports 12GB) unfortunatly these are not for power limited devices but it shows you what you can do with the xscale line ( i would kill for a dual core 1ghz IXP 2xxx xscale w/ 4GB mem and 10Gb ethernet 8) (takes standard dimms for compiling at the moment - price for the test board starts at > $2000 )
http://www.intel.com/design/iio/index.htm (http://www.intel.com/design/iio/index.htm)
http://www.intel.com/design/network/produc...ily/ixp2xxx.htm (http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/npfamily/ixp2xxx.htm)
http://www.intel.com/design/network/produc...mily/ixp4xx.htm (http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/npfamily/ixp4xx.htm)
i also wonder what they are up to whith thierpda video card line, brighthand.com mentiond intel was reworking them as well and with nvidia producing compatible chipsets we could be in for some intresting stuff
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It's pretty fun to see all the companies rushing to provide the latest and fastest technology updates when what we really need is more usable devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm).
Do they think things like the ipod is popular because it's got superior storage?
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It's pretty fun to see all the companies rushing to provide the latest and fastest technology updates when what we really need is more usable devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm).
Do they think things like the ipod is popular because it's got superior storage?
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I'm glad you brougth this up. It is such a good point. IPOD's annoy me to no end. Why are they so stinking popular? They weren't the first MP3 palyer, and they aren't the best. There are probably hundredes of other "MP3" players, but the "IPOD" is still a household word. Apple is even going to announce an IPOD/Cell phone soon. For crying out loud, cell phones have been MP3 players for years now, but no, everyone wants an IPOD-cell phone.
Like you said, sometimes I think manufacturers miss the point of what consumers really need and want. Rather than take the time to see why the IPOD is succesful, they just jam more "cool" into their box and hope they can lure in some poor soul to plop down cash on it, knowing he will probably ditch it in a month and buy an IPOD.
Funny though, they keep making money doing it . . .
As for the Z, I get a lot of questions about it. I always have to say the same thing, "It is a lousy PDA, and a lousy Computer, but it is the coolest toy I've ever had! If you want a PDA, get a palm, if you want a computer, get a laptop. If you are a true geek like me, then you wouldn't be asking me if it is easy to set up, or what software comes with it. If it dosn't blow your socks off when you hear that I can run my Python scripts, unmodified, on my Linux box, my Windows box and my Z, then you don't want one." =D
Oh, but the topic, yeah, faster processor would be cool, but I haven't seen Sharp do anything yet to warrant me buying a new box. They are just too expensive to upgrade every year. I'm happy to just add CF cards to mine and SD cards as they get bigger (if the 2gig cards would only work).
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I'm glad you brougth this up. It is such a good point. IPOD's annoy me to no end. Why are they so stinking popular?
Why does it annoy you? They're just a good integral design.
And they're popular for a couple of reasons, but the main aspects are the discoverability of the interface, and the good integration with the desktop. That and the cool factor, of course.
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It's pretty fun to see all the companies rushing to provide the latest and fastest technology updates when what we really need is more usable devices (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm).
Do they think things like the ipod is popular because it's got superior storage?
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Excellent point. A lot of the college kids in my town have ipods not because they have any clue who or what Apple Computers is, but because they like music, can carry lots of it in their pocket, and are all able to use it without spending a lot of time learning how. They can buy an add-on that broadcasts their music to their car radio while they're driving.
Functionality counts, but usability is everything.
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as for the ipod remark, the functionality is very good, I owned an iriver and a creative labs micro, they were both missing ease-of-use. for example, i like a song i hear its 2 clicks a swirl and a click away from marking it with 5 stars, i can do it without looking at it and while driving, so when i go thru my 6 gigs i find the ones I want to keep and dump the rest, and fill it with more.
As for sharp, they make great hardware, too bad they completely(almost) failed to innovate on the software. thats why we love the guys from pdaXrom, cacko and oz so much they innovate(hope i didnt forget anyone)
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Although this topic is all over the place I have to say it's been interesting to follow.
So far I haven't been too bothered about upgrading from my 860 to one of the new machines. The processors haven't seemed to offer much in the way of new functionality. That may be because they're not specifically catered for....yet.
What would be interesting, to me anyway, would be if a new processor had enough 3d grunt to run something like Google Earth or NASA World Wind. Since I use my GPS on the move I'd like to be able to use either of these with out lugging a laptop with me.
As for other upgrades to the design: C750's size, 6K's screen and built in wireless, 8G microdrive, USB host, 256MB+ and Bluetooth. With Bluetooth I can connect every thing else I might want anyway (Keyboard, GPS, Mouse, GPRS, play music through the car's hands free system). Most of that list seems to be the same things that everyone's else is also asking for.
As for useability well..... Sharp is, for me, really just a hardware manufacture for the community. All the inovations in the software has come from the Cacko, pdaXrom and OZ/OE guys. So hopefully a new Intel processor would help to further open up the specs.... I have no loyalty to Sharp because of their minimal support of the software platform and the community. If another manufacture produced a better design which I could buy without paying MS tax then I'd jump ship as long as I could get community support for it.
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you might want to have a look at this, http://www.teamasa.com/npwr_dp.shtml (http://www.teamasa.com/npwr_dp.shtml) its a dual CPU xscale machine @ 733Mhz with up to 2GB of ram (laptop memory) and supports up to 8 SATA drives along with 2 1Gbps ethernet ports. if you chucked a minipci video card in it you could easily do somthing like google earth, bit big thogh
i want to get a couple for home use/ hosting my website/ Public avalible cross compiling cluster (like handhelds.org's public ipaq cluster only faster).
if i can get the 2700g working then google earth would be a no brainer, providing you can convert it to opengl ES however if you just want 2D maps then any PDA should be powerfull enogh.
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What would be interesting, to me anyway, would be if a new processor had enough 3d grunt to run something like Google Earth or NASA World Wind. Since I use my GPS on the move I'd like to be able to use either of these with out lugging a laptop with me.
I think that the flybook or OQO would be very popular amongst OESF users if they were affordable... ok, so they're significantly larger than the any of the Zs, but they're still easy to carry and they do have all the interconnectability and performance that Z geeks want.
When I want to do real programming, I use a desktop machine. For casual work, browsing web, email in the living room, I use a 14" display laptop. In bed, for reading ebooks, and occasional web browsing, I use the Z. A flybook *might* enable me to stop using the laptop and (heresy) the Z, if it ran linux perfectly.