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Everything Else => General Support and Discussion => Zaurus General Forums => Archived Forums => Software => Topic started by: swing on September 22, 2005, 09:44:03 am
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Are they any good bank account apps for the Z that are...
1. In English
2. In constant development
This is the one app stopping me moving to my Z as my only PDA. I'd be interested to know what people use that works, or whether anything new is in development (last time I asked there was discussion about KMyMoney being ported by zautrix but I don't believe he has had time to do that yet).
Thanks
I should add, I've got a SL-5500 using the standard Sharp ROM, and am not looking to change to pdaXrom or run X apps - I'm looking for something with an IPK I can download and run...
For example, I see some good comments about QHacc - is there an IPK for that anywhere (or is it really easy to install the source and compile?)
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Are they any good bank account apps for the Z that are...
That popular a topic hey?
Is no one aware of an IPK solution??
Okay, how about, how easy is the QHacc route of compiling the software - do I need to add anything to the Z first, or will it "just work"?
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Hi
Is this the sort of thing you are looking for?
http://www.grisbi.org/ (http://www.grisbi.org/)
There is a Zaurus ipk available on the page though it didn't work for me (Sharp rom)
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Try Bank (http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=bank&official=&format=) out. I haven't used it, so I can't vouch for it's functionality, etc al. It does need python, but all the ipk's are linked off the same page. HTH
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Are they any good bank account apps for the Z that are...
1. In English
2. In constant development
This is the one app stopping me moving to my Z as my only PDA. I'd be interested to know what people use that works, or whether anything new is in development (last time I asked there was discussion about KMyMoney being ported by zautrix but I don't believe he has had time to do that yet).
Thanks
I should add, I've got a SL-5500 using the standard Sharp ROM, and am not looking to change to pdaXrom or run X apps - I'm looking for something with an IPK I can download and run...
For example, I see some good comments about QHacc - is there an IPK for that anywhere (or is it really easy to install the source and compile?)
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You could try QashMoney. It probably is not as robust as you want, though. [a href=\"http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1011]Qashmoney at Zaurus Software Index[/url]
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quashmoney is a good start but not the best but i love it.
you need to disable magnify by holding on to the icon down and remove checkmark.
qashmoney_0.77_arm.ipk
also you need another dependent file which is..
sqlite_2.8.5_arm.ipk
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I too am interested in this aspect of things, as I need help managing my finances. I wish they were complicated, but they aren't - I'm just bad with money
Grisbi: doesn't work, even with X installed. I went so far as to install debian, then apt-get grisbi, let it dance over my system only to find that it won't work properly in a 640x480 screen. Arggh!
qashmoney: doesn't support recurring transactions unfortunately .
I'm now looking at Bank... If that doesn't work, it might kickstart me to start developing for the Z, as it's crying out for a good finance package under Qt.
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Ho hum, no recurring transactions in Bank, either.
This really is the incentive I need to start developing for the z... I'm off to look at the "getting started" docs for qtopia
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Thanks for the comments guys
I'm now looking at Bank... If that doesn't work, it might kickstart me to start developing for the Z, as it's crying out for a good finance package under Qt.
Actually, I think QHacc is a good starting point, as it already supports recurring transactions - it's simply crying out for an IPK (which has to be easier to create than a whole app!)
However, I've tried following the compilation instructions on the QHacc website, and the ./configure stage fails (badly!).
So, for those that have said they've got it working, I'm intrigued in your methods for getting it compiled...
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I'd not even seen QHacc - looking at it now . Thanks for the tip
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I'd not even seen QHacc - looking at it now
Hope you have more success than me, I can't even get it to compile on my SuSE 9.1 machine, let alone on the Z.
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If you don't object to pay software, see if tkckapital is what you are looking for.
http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkckapital/ (http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkckapital/)
Don't know about the "constant development" part though, since they don't seem to have gotten past supporting the 5500.
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Depends on the rom you want to use :
I know on pdaXrom :
- Qhacc works.
- through debian chroot I've been running KMyMoney, but the screens didn't fit (too big - 800x600)
- through debian chroot : Kbudget works fine (simple, easy to use, has all the options I expected) = my favorite
- grisbi : should work on pdaX and debian chroot (haven't tried it)
- gnucash : debian again : worked, but too many options for personal use.
edit : sorry, just read your first post, you weren't looking for this, maybe others are ?
Chero.
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Given the lack of fully featured products directly for the Z, I spent some time working out what was needed to get JABP (Java based) working on my Z. It appears to meet my requirement for "constant development" as well, as I've just noticed a new version was released last month.
It seems to meet my main needs, although I will make some suggestions to the author for some additional features, and I'm also looking into the Lite version to see if that can be used in conjunction with it.
I hope someone does develop or port a full functioned product (chiark maybe? ) but in the meantime I guess this might have to do (or of course I keep using my current PDA just for my finances!)
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I remember ABP and Malcolm Bryant from my Psion days. The other thing I remember is Bankplus from Pete Sipple, which I used religiously and kept me out of financial scrapes! Pete has not ported to anything other than Psion, but part of me would like to try to implement a bankplus-alike on the Z...
I still need to look at qhac - sorry, I've been too busy recently!
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I remember ABP and Malcolm Bryant from my Psion days. The other thing I remember is Bankplus from Pete Sipple, which I used religiously and kept me out of financial scrapes!
I'm still using RMRBank from RMRSoft on my netbook - I've even had most of my suggestions added to the software over the years. As such, I'm used to a full featured suite of apps controlling my finances - it's the little things like when entering a petrol visa voucher it automatically offers to update the mileage / fuel calculator with the latest details too.
I still need to look at qhac - sorry, I've been too busy recently!
I had a chat with the author, who pretty much agreed it wouldn't work - it's built around Qt4, not Qt3, and he believes porting it back to Qt3 would be a lot of work. He's not ruling it out, but it's unlikely to work in the near future.
So, I think it's either:
- Port KMyMoney using zautrix's KDEMicrolibs (as used for KO/Pi, KA/Pi etc.)
- Get JABP enhanced to provide more functions
- Write our own
Given my lack of programming skills, the third option is out for me, although I'm happy to beta test and suggest new features
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Suggest that you try to get Malcom to package a version of JABPlite which is a Java version of JABP (Just Another Banking Program), he already has about 5 versions for a number of Java environments as well as versions for the Psion & Nokia devices. I have been using the product for many years, it has all the functionality that I require to look after all my accounts & is in constant development & its free. Sure that Malcom would do this if someone could tell him how to configure for thr Zaurus as he did have a version for the 5500 some time back.
MikeW
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Suggest that you try to get Malcom to package a version of JABPlite which is a Java version of JABP (Just Another Banking Program), he already has about 5 versions for a number of Java environments as well as versions for the Psion & Nokia devices. I have been using the product for many years, it has all the functionality that I require to look after all my accounts & is in constant development & its free. Sure that Malcom would do this if someone could tell him how to configure for thr Zaurus as he did have a version for the 5500 some time back.
Personally, I think the IPK he has for the Z is fine (although I don't know how much tweaking the jabp.ini needs for the clamshell versions.
Right now, I'm trying it, and need to think through what additional functions I would like in it.
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I know it works on the 5500 but it does not work on the C series & Malcom would love to know how he can provide a version for C series.
So anyone with the relevant knowledge should contact him via www.freepoc.de
Mike
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Swing,
Do you know how difficult it would be to port kmymoney with the kdemicrolibs? I think it would be awesome to be able to run the same application on the zaurus and on my linux desktop and have the two sync. I don't have programming skills either but I wouldn't mind paying somebody to do the work if a person were interested. Who would be the best person to talk to about such a project? How much money do you think it would take to get somebody interested? I sent an e-mail to Lutz Rogowski but never heard anything back from him.
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Swing,
I sent an e-mail to Lutz Rogowski but never heard anything back from him.
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Yes, I do not see any reason to provide support of Zaurus software via email.
Ask questions here and maybe you will get an answer.
But if someone is asking me KDE-Pim/Pi unrelated questions via email I will not answer.
z.
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Do you know how difficult it would be to port kmymoney with the kdemicrolibs?
Absolutely no idea. I guess it needs someone to try and see what additional KDE functions need adding to the kdemicrolibs and then coding them themselves and getting them added to the main libs zautrix releases.
How much money do you think it would take to get somebody interested?
Based on the time and effort zautrix has put into getting KO/Pi, KA/Pi etc. working a lot more than 2 or 3 of us could afford I suspect. I think this needs a Zaurus developer to work on.
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I know it works on the 5500 but it does not work on the C series & Malcom would love to know how he can provide a version for C series.
Do we at least know in what way it does not work? Malcolm has got the main codebase working on so many different platforms I can't believe the C series are that unique, and we should be able to help him out with the problem and the solution...
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The software installs OK but fails when you try to run it, I did go through it with Malcolm, checking that files were in the correct places. I don't know enough about Java to take it any further, assumed it was down to the changes Sharpo made to Jarva.
MikeW
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The software installs OK but fails when you try to run it, I did go through it with Malcolm, checking that files were in the correct places. I don't know enough about Java to take it any further, assumed it was down to the changes Sharpo made to Jarva.
That's a shame, I know on my 5500 I had to make a few tweaks to get it to work post installation, although I'm still not sure if it was user error that caused the problems in the first place
If I had a cxxxx I'd try to sort this out myself, but it's one of the things I promised myself I would want working before investing in a clamshell, so I may be stuck in a Catch 22 situation
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If you don't object to pay software, see if tkckapital is what you are looking for.
http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkckapital/ (http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkckapital/)
Don't know about the "constant development" part though, since they don't seem to have gotten past supporting the 5500.
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I have had Tkckapital Ver 1.50-2 Running on yth Ipaq 3600 Inder Familiar
And Now on the Z3000 1.01 Jp Z3000 1.11Jp &
Now on The Z3100 Running Caco 1.23
Do You have one of Thease
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I've been running Jabp on my C-750. Funnily enough, I just uninstalled it before coming across this thread. The problem with it is that the dialogs are all messed up, size-wise. It's hard to read. I can't remember what I did to get it working, but it couldn't have been that difficult. If I get a chance, I'll download the latest version and have a look.
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Just got Jabp on again. It installs fine. This latest version looks cleaner than the one I had before. It still has the showstopper bug in it though: If you have a dialog with drop-down menus in it and open such a menu near the bottom of its containing window, the window will try to redraw itself and get into an infinite loop.
Then you have to telnet in and kill all cvm processes, obviously losing all recent data.
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- I had JABP running on my (s)old SL-5500, and I recall doing some futzing to get it to work, but nothing major. Like follow the instructions or something equally silly. (grin)
- I've installed it numerous times on the C-1000, and tried running it under both evm & cvm, to no avail. But I may not have the latest version. Anyone have a link to that?
- I've also tried grisbi (unresolved dependency issue), have qhacc (sad to here it won't run), just d/led "Bank" (but don't feel positive), and don't like tkc (gave my 'ware from them away with the SL-5500). That leaves a pretty darned thin field out there!
- As for writing one ... well ... I have the knowledge ... I just don't have the time. Krikey! If'n I ever get the wife unit's computer set up for Z development, I think the first thing I'm going to tackle is to install time zones into KO/PI. I'm sick of futzing with flight departure and arrival times in different time zones. (owlish stare)
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well, I had a look at the jabp ipk file and noticed some obvious errors which prevents it from working properly without some post install hacking so I rebuilt it and now it will just work once installed.
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well, I had a look at the jabp ipk file and noticed some obvious errors which prevents it from working properly without some post install hacking so I rebuilt it and now it will just work once installed.
Does this IPK only work on clamshells, or will it also work on the 55xx range? Either way, someone should email this to Malcolm so he can add it to his website!
Thanks for fixing it Meanie
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well, I had a look at the jabp ipk file and noticed some obvious errors which prevents it from working properly without some post install hacking so I rebuilt it and now it will just work once installed.
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- Thanks Meanie! I snagged it and will install it once I get the transfer done.
- ZMoney is just too simplistic for my taste, although it works and supports multiple acounts, which is a nice feature.
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well, I had a look at the jabp ipk file and noticed some obvious errors which prevents it from working properly without some post install hacking so I rebuilt it and now it will just work once installed.
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- Thanks Meanie! I snagged it and will install it once I get the transfer done.
- ZMoney is just too simplistic for my taste, although it works and supports multiple acounts, which is a nice feature.
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Ragnorok
Can you let us know what to do to get JABP working or make the new IPK file available.
Mikew
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- Meanie's ipk wouldn't run for me, so I did some poking of my own, and Cacko's evm wrapper for cvm doesn't work with JABP. I commented all of /home/QtPalmtop/bin/runjabp out except for the line that invokes cvm, since that's what I'm using, which is personal-java-somesuch on the Cacko feed. Oh. And put "$QPEDIR/j2me/bin/" before the "cvm", or stick that in your path so it can find it. Oh. And I didn't comment out the line where it changes to the jabp directory, either. (drool) Wonder what else I forgot?
- After I did that, it ran "fine". It's a bit flakey ... it forces you to go through some dialogs, which aren't instrusive or anything, but there's no "back" button, and no way to cancel the dialogs. You have to kill cvm to get out of it, and this launches about ten instances of cvm. Not a show-stopper, but not terribly polished.
- The dialogs also tend to spaz. Drop-downs tend to either make the dialogs freak (mis-paint) or one time a dialog went into an infinite loop ... looked like it was scrolling, but it was hard to tell. That wasn't pretty. (smirk)
- These are the configuration dialogs. If they got nuts from time to time it's not the end of the world. I'm going to play with it some more and see if other dialogs wonk out like this. If so, it's toast (shrug)...
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- Meanie's ipk wouldn't run for me, so I did some poking of my own, and Cacko's evm wrapper for cvm doesn't work with JABP. I commented all of /home/QtPalmtop/bin/runjabp out except for the line that invokes cvm, since that's what I'm using, which is personal-java-somesuch on the Cacko feed. Oh. And put "$QPEDIR/j2me/bin/" before the "cvm", or stick that in your path so it can find it. Oh. And I didn't comment out the line where it changes to the jabp directory, either. (drool) Wonder what else I forgot?
- After I did that, it ran "fine". It's a bit flakey ... it forces you to go through some dialogs, which aren't instrusive or anything, but there's no "back" button, and no way to cancel the dialogs. You have to kill cvm to get out of it, and this launches about ten instances of cvm. Not a show-stopper, but not terribly polished.
- The dialogs also tend to spaz. Drop-downs tend to either make the dialogs freak (mis-paint) or one time a dialog went into an infinite loop ... looked like it was scrolling, but it was hard to tell. That wasn't pretty. (smirk)
- These are the configuration dialogs. If they got nuts from time to time it's not the end of the world. I'm going to play with it some more and see if other dialogs wonk out like this. If so, it's toast (shrug)...
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hmm, i only tested it with jeode since i remember that personal profile was a bit buggy and i haven't used it since i tried it many moons ago.
i'll see if i can dig up an ipk for cvm and compare how it runs jabp vs evm.
also updated jabp ipk file so hopefully it can now automatically run with either evm or cvm
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FYI . . . grisbi works fine [on a 3100] under XQT using meanie's XQT cramfs setup (files and install script on The Grinder website). It has the usual slow XQT startup, but works well.
It would be near ideal if I could figure out how to change the date format from D/M/Y to something else -- since that is not the usual format for where I live.
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FYI . . . grisbi works fine [on a 3100] under XQT using meanie's XQT cramfs setup (files and install script on The Grinder website). It has the usual slow XQT startup, but works well.
It would be near ideal if I could figure out how to change the date format from D/M/Y to something else -- since that is not the usual format for where I live.
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- Really? I've had zero luck with that guy. I'll have to give it another go ... I haven't re-installed X/Qt since flashing Cacko full. If'n I have issues I'll do console capture and stick it in here, 'cause numerous people have said it works, but I've never seen it. Implies I'm doin' something wrong, that...
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THE ONLY PROBLEM is that its in pounds. not dollars for me its not working. but it works fine if your in out of the usa.
how do you do american dollars?
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how do you do american dollars?
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If you mean grisbi:
In the Menu go to Edit --> Preferences
Then under "Resources - Currencies", you need to add USD to the known currencies.
Once you've done that you then can change the "Display - Totals currencies" to use "United States Dollar ($)"
When adding a transaction, there is a pull down for choosing currency which should be euros or USD.
Grisbi doesn't seem to have split-transactions (I can live without), and the before-mentioned European date format -- but otherwise it seems pretty good so far.
Also, if you download a desktop version (windows or linux) and put your grisbi data file in a folder accessible to the desktop when the Z is in USB-storage mode, you can edit on a bigger screen with desktop speed.
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how do you do american dollars?
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If you mean grisbi:
In the Menu go to Edit --> Preferences
Then under "Resources - Currencies", you need to add USD to the known currencies.
Once you've done that you then can change the "Display - Totals currencies" to use "United States Dollar ($)"
When adding a transaction, there is a pull down for choosing currency which should be euros or USD.
Grisbi doesn't seem to have split-transactions (I can live without), and the before-mentioned European date format -- but otherwise it seems pretty good so far.
Also, if you download a desktop version (windows or linux) and put your grisbi data file in a folder accessible to the desktop when the Z is in USB-storage mode, you can edit on a bigger screen with desktop speed.
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EXCELLENT
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Hi
Is this the sort of thing you are looking for?
http://www.grisbi.org/ (http://www.grisbi.org/)
There is a Zaurus ipk available on the page though it didn't work for me (Sharp rom)
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grisbi is a gtk2 app, so it definitely cannot run in Sharp's Qtopia/Qte env. maybe it is pdaXrom or OpenZaurus 's ipk
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Did anyone have a look at Zaif?
It was mentioned in another thread, so I tested it shortly. Seems to have more than the basic features of zmoney, works well, looks nice (after adjusting font name and size) and can deal with every currency, as far as I can see.
Only two drawbacks:
It does not support decimals, only integer as amounts. So I'd have to enter amounts in cents rather than Euro. Or use only the Euro value and disregard the cents.
And: If it could only create printable reports...
daniel
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well, I had a look at the jabp ipk file and noticed some obvious errors which prevents it from working properly without some post install hacking so I rebuilt it and now it will just work once installed.
Thank you for your work. Did you send the ipk with instructions to the autor?
I have one problem with JABP: It asks for the initial setup every time when it is started. Seems that the preferences are not saved. Do you know what's going wrong?