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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: ShiroiKuma on November 21, 2005, 09:37:24 am
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Hi:
Has anyone been successful in displaying any unicode text in the terminal, i.e. rxvt or so?
I've fiddled with it for the past couple of days, can't do it somehow.
I can change the font that rxvt uses to display stuff by for instance:rxvt -fn "xft:Sazanami Gothic-16"and rxvt comes up using this font, but then when doing cat on a UTF-8 file it displays garbage.
Can anyone do it, not necessarily Japanese, any unicode characters will do, because the process is the same.
How can I do this?
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Has anyone been successful in displaying any unicode text in the terminal, i.e. rxvt or so?
You might try using rxvt-unicode (a.k.a. urxvt); I've recently started using it on my notebook. One of it's key points (besides supporting unicode) is that it is very flexible with fonts - it even allows simultaneous usage of true/freetype fonts with X11 fonts.
I haven't tried it on the zaurus, as I don't use pdaXrom, but I saw a report from someone stating that it worked with OZ, so it shouldn't be difficult to build.
The source is available at: http://software.schmorp.de/#rxvt-unicode (http://software.schmorp.de/#rxvt-unicode)
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Has anyone been successful in displaying any unicode text in the terminal, i.e. rxvt or so?
You might try using rxvt-unicode (a.k.a. urxvt); I've recently started using it on my notebook. One of it's key points (besides supporting unicode) is that it is very flexible with fonts - it even allows simultaneous usage of true/freetype fonts with X11 fonts.
I haven't tried it on the zaurus, as I don't use pdaXrom, but I saw a report from someone stating that it worked with OZ, so it shouldn't be difficult to build.
The source is available at: http://software.schmorp.de/#rxvt-unicode (http://software.schmorp.de/#rxvt-unicode)
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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I am using rxvt-unicode. And I can change the font the console uses for display to a UTF-8 font. But then it still displays garbage...
It might be something to do with locales, I installed the UTF-8 locale originally for XQt from [a href=\"http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/feed-testing/]http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/feed-testing/[/url] and all other programs work in Japanese, so I'm assuming it works.
But maybe there is some tweaking for the rxvt to be done. But can't get it to work...
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I found a solution for this issue, so if anyone is interested:
1. Install vte_0.11.10_armv5tel.ipk (http://www.shiroikuma.com/peiji/hoka/peiji/linazau/peiji/sofuto/vte_0.11.10_armv5tel.ipk).
2. Install gtkterm2_0.2.3_armv5tel.ipk (http://www.shiroikuma.com/peiji/hoka/peiji/linazau/peiji/sofuto/gtkterm2_0.2.3_armv5tel.ipk)
Then if you have Japanese locale installed and configured you'll see text in Japanese in gtkterm2 no problem.
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Hi, can you input CJK? I got "Error (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character) converting data for child, dropping" when I input Chinese character. How can you set the font of gtkterm2? It is too small for me.
Moreover, do you know how to get the Chinese locale? I see Chinese filenames as "boxes". Thanks.
I found a solution for this issue, so if anyone is interested:
1. Install vte_0.11.10_armv5tel.ipk (http://www.shiroikuma.com/peiji/hoka/peiji/linazau/peiji/sofuto/vte_0.11.10_armv5tel.ipk).
2. Install gtkterm2_0.2.3_armv5tel.ipk (http://www.shiroikuma.com/peiji/hoka/peiji/linazau/peiji/sofuto/gtkterm2_0.2.3_armv5tel.ipk)
Then if you have Japanese locale installed and configured you'll see text in Japanese in gtkterm2 no problem.
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Hi, can you input CJK? I got "Error (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character) converting data for child, dropping" when I input Chinese character. How can you set the font of gtkterm2? It is too small for me.
Edit ~/gtkterm2rc.
Change the line starting with terminalFont to terminalFont=Terminal 16
Moreover, do you know how to get the Chinese locale? I see Chinese filenames as "boxes". Thanks.
Don't know about Chinese locale. You can install Japanese locale from the xqt.sourceforge.jp/feed-testing/
It works for pdaXrom, but for Chinese don't know.
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Thanks for the tips and packages!!
Actually I've also been looking for the Chinese solution for quite a long time. It will surely be a big news for the Chinese language users.
... Just so eager to use the console for most of the actions, commands, notepad, outliner, web browser, ebook reader, etc)
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Thanks ShiroiKuma! The font size works for me.
I found that we need to install any UTF-8 locale and set the LANG environment variable to that to ready CJK filenames. For example, if you installed locale zh_TW.utf8, you need to set LANG to zh_TW.UTF-8. The side effect is all applications to display Chinese menu, etc.
If you want to be able to read CJK only and leaving all other things English. Try en_US.utf8 locale and LANG=en_US.UTF-8.
I attached the locale data ipks for you.
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If you want to be able to read CJK only and leaving all other things English. Try en_US.utf8 locale and LANG=en_US.UTF-8.
I attached the locale data ipks for you.
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Great, thanks for these. We've made some progress here
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My heartfelt thanks for your packages, cs_jacky! Have been waiting for this for ages.
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I compiled gnome-terminal. The gnome-terminal is more user friendly and more option (such as backgrounds). However, it requires more libraries and slower (compare with gtkterm2).
EDIT: ipk updated. Please download it from later post.
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I compiled gnome-terminal. The gnome-terminal is more user friendly and more option (such as backgrounds). However, it requires more libraries and slower (compare with gtkterm2).
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Can you open more than one session in gnome-terminal? How do you specify which font it uses for display?
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Thanks again, cs_jacky. I wonder if it's also possible to use big5 locale as well?
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Yes, you can open new windows or new tabs. You can specify font by edit current profile.
I compiled gnome-terminal. The gnome-terminal is more user friendly and more option (such as backgrounds). However, it requires more libraries and slower (compare with gtkterm2).
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Can you open more than one session in gnome-terminal? How do you specify which font it uses for display?
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I updated gnome-terminal ipk. The changes are as follows:
1. schema are installed. You have Default profile and shortcut key.
2. schema files are installed to /etc/...
If you have changed gnome-terminal profile, you need to delete gnome-terminal directories (there are 2) under ~/.gconf.
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P.S. You need to install vte as well.
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Thank you so much again for your efforts on making the CJK solutions available, cs_jacky! Please keep up the great work.
Sorry for bothering you again. After trying your new UTF8 locales packages on pdaXrom, I would like to ask you a few things: (Or someone who could enlighten me)
1) It seems the Z still cannot read big5 encoded files, such as in various terminal apps, lynx and Jpilot. Does it mean an extra big5 locale package is a must? If so how can I get it?
2) I've also read about a newer glibc 2.3.2 which is said to support Chinese encoding ( https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14089 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14089) ), but the link to the complete file is broken. Is this also necessary for reading big5 stuff?
3) Also it seems to me using the locales will take up quite a chunk of the system memory. Does this depend on which unicode ttf font I'm using?
4) Can (some) unicode fonts also display big5 characters?
5) Is it also necessary to make changes in /etc/fonts/local.conf to fix the font choice and finetune the display?
Thanks!
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Thank you so much again for your efforts on making the CJK solutions available, cs_jacky! Please keep up the great work.
Sorry for bothering you again. After trying your new UTF8 locales packages on pdaXrom, I would like to ask you a few things: (Or someone who could enlighten me)
1) It seems the Z still cannot read big5 encoded files, such as in various terminal apps, lynx and Jpilot. Does it mean an extra big5 locale package is a must? If so how can I get it?
2) I've also read about a newer glibc 2.3.2 which is said to support Chinese encoding ( https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14089 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=14089) ), but the link to the complete file is broken. Is this also necessary for reading big5 stuff?
3) Also it seems to me using the locales will take up quite a chunk of the system memory. Does this depend on which unicode ttf font I'm using?
4) Can (some) unicode fonts also display big5 characters?
5) Is it also necessary to make changes in /etc/fonts/local.conf to fix the font choice and finetune the display?
Thanks!
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I think your terminal based app failed to read big5 encoded files because the app don't support big5 encoding. I think you can read big5 files with vim (but you need to specify file encoding). Since I can display Chinese filenames and input Chinese with gnome-terminal, I think the current glibc works fine with big5.
I use a unicode TTF (ArialUni from Microsoft) to display CJK. You can also get a free unicode font from [a href=\"http://www.info.gov.hk/digital21/eng/hkscs/terms/terms34.html]Hong Kong Government Website[/url]. I don't notice any huge memory usage with these unicode TTF.
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i added in builder system creating next locale packages: en_US.UTF-8 ru_RU.UTF-8 zh_TW.UTF-8 ja_JP.UTF-8 ko_KR.UTF-8 ru_RU.KOI8-R ru_RU.CP1251
look if there need another
and it will in next pdaXrom release
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why not zh_CN.UTF-8?
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why not zh_CN.UTF-8?
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Thanks, cs_jacky! I will try again later today and see how it goes.
sashz, how about zh_HK.UTF-8 as well (which seems to support even more char than zh_TW)? Many thanks!
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Thanks, cs_jacky! I will try again later today and see how it goes.
sashz, how about zh_HK.UTF-8 as well (which seems to support even more char than zh_TW)? Many thanks!
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ok, its there:)
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gtkterm can show russian characters with en_US.UTF-8 locale! Although rxvt-unicode still can't. I'm afraid I need to debug it to solve this problem
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gtkterm can show russian characters with en_US.UTF-8 locale! Although rxvt-unicode still can't. I'm afraid I need to debug it to solve this problem
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I think any UTF-8 locale can display any characters in any language.
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I think any UTF-8 locale can display any characters in any language.
Yeah, this is the reason why I complained about rxvt-unicode.
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gtkterm can show russian characters with en_US.UTF-8 locale! Although rxvt-unicode still can't. I'm afraid I need to debug it to solve this problem
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I think any UTF-8 locale can display any characters in any language.
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The problems with rxvt and other consoles though that I've identified are somehow associated with the fact that these are not GTK applications. They use xfonts, not ttf, and though for some you can specify that they use ttf fonts for display, somehow the coding process or something for processing UTF-8 characters must depend on something, because the coding is wrong.
Thus I can run rxvt-unicode and use a ttf font for it, but it still messes up Japanese characters and doesn't display them properly on the Z.
That's why the solution via using gtkterm2 or gnome-terminal is needed.
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Oh I see. Thanks for educating me. I've been trying mrxvt, rxvt-unicode and mlterm (got it from a Korean Zaurus group), but so far I haven't got unicodes TTF displayed properly in any of these. Time to head on to the gtkterm2...
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I've straced rxvt-unicode and noticed it doesn't try to use glibc locale. It does something with X11 locale though. AFAIK gtk apps don't use X11 locale and I think it might be the reason why they work
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Oops. I was trying gtkterm2 but it got this when trying to initiate
gtkterm2: error while loading shared libraries: libvte.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
I went through the filelist in the feed but didn't find this libvte. Is it an individual issue of my Z or something needs to be installed on top of gtkterm2? Thanks!
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Oops. I was trying gtkterm2 but it got this when trying to initiate
gtkterm2: error while loading shared libraries: libvte.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
I went through the filelist in the feed but didn't find this libvte. Is it an individual issue of my Z or something needs to be installed on top of gtkterm2? Thanks!
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That's what the second package is for - vte_0.11.10_armv5tel.ipk
Look above...
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Oh yes, thanks! Sorry I must be too tired now after trying out so many new packages (windowmake, jpilot, locales, gtkterms...) at the same time.