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Everything Else => Zaurus Distro Support and Discussion => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => Angstrom & OpenZaurus => Topic started by: Hrw on February 06, 2006, 10:35:27 am
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I decided to write some words here on forum as it will show progress not only to people who track OpenEmbedded changes or OpenZaurus website but also to others (like Cacko/Watapon/PdaXrom users).
OpenZaurus 3.5.4 will be build by Michael ‘Mickeyl’ Lauer when we resolve all release problems. Decision who will be Release Manager are nearly taken and it looks like I (Marcin ‘Hrw’ Juszkiewicz) will be that person.
There was two testing cycles and now I'm building 3rd one. I got ~100 testers with over 110 Zaurus machines (all models covered). Thx to feedback, bug reporting, patches from OZ testers (and from Familiar team and testers) this release will be best OpenZaurus release ever.
We will use following kernels:
- 2.4.18 on collie (sl-5000/5500), poodle (sl-5600) and tosa (sl-6000)
- 2.4.20 on akita (c1000), borzoi (c3100) and spitz (c3000)
- 2.6.14-rc1 on c7x0 (c700/750/760/860)
All kernels are updated to WE18 so wireless networking in WPA networks should work (OPIE and GPE network settings does not support WPA yet so it has to be done from hand).
We resolved many kernel related problems:
- suspend on right-arrow (collie, poodle, tosa)
- no resume after suspend
- too fast keyboard repeat on c7x0
Many people wonder why at all we are going to release OpenZaurus 3.5.4 with 2.4.20 kernel for Cxx00 instead of going to 2.6 for it. The main reason is that 2.6 support is not widely tested yet - we know that it works on spitz (sl-c3000) or borzoi (sl-c3100) but it was not so tested on akita (sl-c1000). And users have more SD/CF cards and other stuff then we can test for working.
We will provide few types of images:
- officially supported: bootstrap, gpe, opie
- experimental: xfce, e17
After 3.5.4 release we will work on getting current 2.6 kernels for c7x0, cxx00 (c1000/c3000/c3100) usable with 3.5.4 feeds - there is some work to do with it and we did not yet finished all ALSA work. There will be also experimental build with 2.6 kernel for tosa (sl-6000) to get it more tested on user machines.
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Fantastic news! and great work!
Any ideas of a rough timeline for release? ( I know you can't commit to a date right now but any idea? )
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In a perfect world we would have 3.5.4 right in time for FOSDEM 2006 (http://www.fosdem.org)...
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In a perfect world we would have 3.5.4 right in time for FOSDEM 2006 (http://www.fosdem.org)...
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Considering the huge amount of OE/OZ/Familiar hackers present at FOSDEM we could certainly have a hack session to iron out remaining bugs.
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are there going to be test images for E17 and xfce
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When I resolve current problems (home hdd failure, some build problems) then probably will build them.
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(Totally gratuitous comment) The main thing I hated about Open Zaurus when I tried it, and it has always sent me back to Cacko or Sharp ROM is that hotlinks in the email utilities (OpieMail or Sharp email) do not open up in Opera. I guess there is no way to do that or it would have been done already, correct? I can't think of anything else that I really disliked about it except that. There was a LOT to like about it.
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Considering the huge amount of OE/OZ/Familiar hackers present at FOSDEM we could certainly have a hack session to iron out remaining bugs.
I'm not sure I can be much of a help after a couple of Leffe Brune...
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Greetings,
I wanted to give an update from my test on oz 3.5.4 using SL-5600 (Poodle).
1) Opie -- if I cancel out when prompted before opie starts, I do get to a command prompt. If opie starts up, you just get a blank screen and it doesn't continue. Tried tests where I also cleaned out /home of remnants from a different rom (qtopia), neither made difference. Reason I did the above, is I think I saw a quick message that it found some opie environment or something similar and wanted to be sure that I didn't have anything from prev install that wasn't overwritten. I removed any ref to opie and also the /home, and reflashed again subsequently.
2) GPE
a) Open Zaurus screen
Init version 2.85 booting
c) GPE 2.7 powered by open embedded screen (on for about 10 secs)
d) screen starts to have typing overwriting this screen
e) touch crosshairs to calibrate (get 5 of these)
f) now replaced by black x on blank screen,
g) using stylus over the x doesn't do anything, you can move the x across the screen but it also returns to the center after letting go.
h) no subsequent screen starts up.
3) Bootstrap - didn't test this one out as I wanted a gui version.
All tested after regular rom update, standard procedure etc. Successful kernel, ro file system and flash erased, and then reset. Used very recent images from early February 2006.
Thanks
Greg
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I wanted to give an update from my test on oz 3.5.4 using SL-5600 (Poodle).[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=114240\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I'm running GPE test-2 on my poodle right now. For me, no real problems so far, except a few observations/questions:
- no /home/root directory created. Not a big problem for gpe, exept when su'ing to root (error can't cd to home dir) or tryiing to run gpe as root.
- when I tried to change the colour settings gpe locks up. Is there a better way to reset it other than to stop & start using /etc/init.d/gpe-dm?
- IMHO the default background should be set to a gradient. With the default colour & set to sold, the icon text isn't readable.
- is there anyway to set gpe so it doesn't suspend when plugged into ac power?
- the default /etc/ipkg.conf doesn't have any src's in it. Is this intentional?
- is there any way to reboot other than issuing a reoobt command in the root term?
thks
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Considering the huge amount of OE/OZ/Familiar hackers present at FOSDEM we could certainly have a hack session to iron out remaining bugs.
I'm not sure I can be much of a help after a couple of Leffe Brune...
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Leffe Radieuse is much better anyway
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I'm running GPE test-2 on my poodle right now. For me, no real problems so far, except a few observations/questions:[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=114258\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I also noticed that my sd card isn't inserted until after I reboot. Even running '/etc/sdcontrol insert' in the root shell doesn't work. After a reboot, all's well.
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sweet going to test out test5 soon, are you still going to make e17/xfce for test5?
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GPE test5 image dosent get past the login screen, and i think both gpe and bootstrap the wireless dosent work (also when bootstrap is setting up it says hostap2.6 woudl that be the probelm since the 3100 is 2.4?
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GPE test5 image dosent get past the login screen, and i think both gpe and bootstrap the wireless dosent work (also when bootstrap is setting up it says hostap2.6 woudl that be the probelm since the 3100 is 2.4?
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kill X with ctrl-alt-bs (two jap keys next to spacebar) till you get a login prompt, login as root and do
rm /usr/bin/keylaunch
/etc/init.d/gpe-dm start
that will make it work as expected
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I rebuilt test5 for all cxx00 to get proper modules.
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Marcin,
how am I supposed to flash enlightement
(e-image-3.5.4-test5-c7x0.rootfs.img) ?
I tried renaming it to initrd.bin and using updater.sh and zImage.bin from test5 but I think the standard root partition isn't big enough! Need perhaps some resizing?
TIA
Ant
EDIT:
BTW bluetooth for my Socket CF Card Rev G (serial_cs driver) seems not working...
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then use e-image-core which is smaller
currently e-image can be installed only on devices with 128M flash (c760/860/1000/3100) or spitz (c3100).
it's experimental
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then use e-image-core which is smaller
currently e-image can be installed only on devices with 128M flash (c760/860/1000/3100) or spitz (c3100).
it's experimental
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Actually I have a C860 with standard partitioning...
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so it will fit - I flashed in on my c760 without problems
128M flash devices has / which is 53M in size
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so it will fit - I flashed in on my c760 without problems
128M flash devices has / which is 53M in size
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OK. Some settings from GPE test-5 remained. I did remove and recreate /home and /home/root. Typical fault for OZ newbies...
Anyway after a while the login prompt kicks me off and I have to re-log as root...?Strange...
BTW I'm starting enlightenment with "Xfbdev". Is it the proper way?
TIA
Ant
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hard to tell - please check openzaurus-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailing list - there you will find creators of that image (I just built it and you got unofficial version
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so it will fit - I flashed in on my c760 without problems
128M flash devices has / which is 53M in size
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OK. Some settings from GPE test-5 remained. I did remove and recreate /home and /home/root. Typical fault for OZ newbies...
Anyway after a while the login prompt kicks me off and I have to re-log as root...?Strange...
BTW I'm starting enlightenment with "Xfbdev". Is it the proper way?
TIA
Ant
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No it isn't. /etc/init.d/entrance (or /etc/init.d/login-manager) should launch a login manager.
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so it will fit - I flashed in on my c760 without problems
128M flash devices has / which is 53M in size
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OK. Some settings from GPE test-5 remained. I did remove and recreate /home and /home/root. Typical fault for OZ newbies...
Anyway after a while the login prompt kicks me off and I have to re-log as root...?Strange...
BTW I'm starting enlightenment with "Xfbdev". Is it the proper way?
TIA
Ant
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No it isn't. /etc/init.d/entrance (or /etc/init.d/login-manager) should launch a login manager.
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Indeed, entrance should start automatically. And logging in as root is normal. e is an experimental image and doesn't have the "create a new user" stuff that GPE has. If entrance isn't starting up that's a bug. Please let us know if you see any errors on your screen in a bug report. And make sure to mention your machine and all.
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Images running on my doggy SL-C860 (boxer).
updater.sh and kernel from HRW's test-5 (the one for OPIE/GPE).
After the first flash (without erasing old stuff from /home) I was under the impression that some files were missing. I saw entrance starting and exiting back to the prompt.
By poking around I could start enlightenment by Xfbdev
Than I realized I needed more space and cleaned the user partition.
Boys, I hate this step. Please add an option to the installer to wipe out all after flashing a new image (like pdaxrom installer).
This did the trick and after reboot enlightenment started automatically, and I was asked for calibrating the pointer on the screen.
But in both cases I've seen that if you exit "e" and just log in (only tried as root) the shell exits/dies and you are obliged to log in again.
When in "e" the problem disappears.
I cannot further help 'cause now I'm running GPE test5 and the e-image has been removed.
Cheers
Ant
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I am surprised that with all the impatient waiting eagerly for the new OZ release, nobody posted the good news that is on the OZ website !! : OZ 3.5.4 tagged (http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/03/06/openzaurus-354-tagged/)
I want to inform all of you that I tagged OpenZaurus 3.5.4 in .oz354fam083 branch.
What does it mean for you:
- if you are user then you will get OpenZaurus 3.5.4 soon (few days)
- if you are OE/OZ developer then you can start working on OZ 3.5.4.1
What was changed in OpenZaurus 3.5.4? List is too long to be even created but I want to note few things:
- OPIE 1.2.1 (with lot of hires fixes made after 1.2.1 release - mostly by me
- GPE 2.7 (also with some fixes which was done after 2.7 release)
- 2.4.18 kernels with APM fixes so no more suspend/resume problems
- WE18/WE19 in kernels so WPA should work out-of-box
- cleaned pcmcia configs so CF cards should work out-of-box too
- some of 802.11g CF cards probably will work
- Enlightenment DR 17 images (experimental)
Now we need to start build machine and after few days we will release it.
OpenZaurus 3.5.4 test program is closed now.
REMIND: Due to lot of problems with 2.4.20 on cxx00 machines we decided to not release 3.5.4 for those machines. It does not makes sense to release 3.5.4 with crappy cxx00 support and then lose again our reputation before some weeks later we could have 3.5.4.1 with proper cxx00 support.
I just can't wait to see it release ! Thanks Hrw MickeyL and all the OZ developpers for their great work
LeTic
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I want to thanks to all users which tested 3.5.4-test - many things was fixed thanks to them.
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I would like to thank all of the people involved in this project ( I can not wait for it to be out for the c3000) I have donated already and I suggest if everyone really wants to show their thanks then donate to the developers so they can keep improving on a wonderful platform!
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altais:
btw - paypal stinks
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I have started to bitbake the release images. Please allow some more days for building the stuff... we have a lot of machines nowadays + a world build is HUGE
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Any news?
I'm really willing to make the testing this weekend, while looking the season's first Formula1 race !!
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Hello,
I would like to try it on my C760. I didn't have a good experience with 3.5.3, so I'm looking forward to 3.5.4
my e-mail is tirantloblanc77 at yahoo dot es
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patience...I must be paitent...smack head with old ipaq...repeat
I'm dying out here...Mickey started the build on the 8th, it's now the 16th...does it take that long to build it?
any ideas when it will be available?
Also, someone put together a vmware build environment. I was interested in a knoppix like build environment. Here's a funding idea... I would pay $20 for a CD(or DVD) of the distribution and build environment. Heck I'd buy that every release just to have them. That would give the dev's a little more moola and us dialup users a little more sanity. Any comments?
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The images have been finished on tuesday, it's the world that is still going... we have 2900 (two thousand and nine hundred) bitbake files in the repository which are going to emit over 10000 ipkgs, so - yes, it's really taking that long.
Actually it would've taken less if my build workstation wasn't freezing every couple of hours. I'm afraid the hardware is dying... :/
Anyway, it looks like it's getting done in the next 24 hours, that means weekend play time for you impatient souls
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The images have been finished on tuesday, it's the world that is still going... we have 2900 (two thousand and nine hundred) bitbake files in the repository which are going to emit over 10000 ipkgs, so - yes, it's really taking that long.
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Another option would be to split the feed as is, upload the images, announce the release and finish the feeds during the weekend.
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Actually it would've taken less if my build workstation wasn't freezing every couple of hours. I'm afraid the hardware is dying... :/
What do you need Mickeyl? I'm sure between us all we could chip in what spare parts we have and get you a new build machine ;-)
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I agree...what do you need...
(You know, I'd buy OZ if it was "polished". That would make history wouldn't it? The first PDA OS that is completely independent of the PDA manufacturer.)
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(You know, I'd buy OZ if it was "polished". That would make history wouldn't it? The first PDA OS that is completely independent of the PDA manufacturer.)
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It'd be cool to do what, say, Mozilla, Debian, RedHat, etc', have been doing for a while now. You can order 'pressed' CDs for just a little more than the cost of the CD+S&H. In this case, you would get images for all models (GPE and Opie) plus the contents of all the current OZ feeds. If there was a decent OZ manual around, a printed and bound copy of that would be awesome.
And yeah, the idea of distributing live-CDs with OE ready to go is also a really sweet idea. Heck, throw in a manual for OE too and I'll order one tonight. :-P
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Heck, throw in a manual for OE too and I'll order one tonight. :-P
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Is there currently anything resembling a manual?
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Is there currently anything resembling a manual?
Like the Wiki?
https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Main_Page (https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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Is there currently anything resembling a manual?
For Opie there is a manual: http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation (http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation)
For GPE there is a manual: http://gpe.handhelds.org/documentation.phtml (http://gpe.handhelds.org/documentation.phtml)
And there's the openzaurus wordpad wiki (you must register) which could bring together things that are specific to the Zaurus. There was a thread a while back where we tried to get people interested in contributing to documentation: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10775 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10775)
and there are the pinned HowTo threads I started to glean knowledge about syncing and usb connections which could also be usefully reorganised and placed on openzaurus.org if anyone has some spare time.
Si
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(You know, I'd buy OZ if it was "polished". That would make history wouldn't it? The first PDA OS that is completely independent of the PDA manufacturer.)
Absolutely - we're working on that! It's what we want to accomplish with the new Ângström project.
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Heck, throw in a manual for OE too and I'll order one tonight. :-P
Is there currently anything resembling a manual?
Unfortunately not yet, but ... sheesh... don't tell anyone... I will start working on an full-fledged OpenEmbedded book as soon as I submitted my thesis paper.
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Status update:
- images built
- packages built & uploaded to target system
Now I'm working on splitting over 11 thousands of packages into usable feeds.
Whole OZ 3.5.4 release is already 1.9GiB of data.
Expect release during weekend.
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oh ... another missed weekend to play with the Z; oh well, I hope the Malaysian F1 race brings some interest to the weekend then .... ;-)
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I agree...what do you need...
(You know, I'd buy OZ if it was "polished". That would make history wouldn't it? The first PDA OS that is completely independent of the PDA manufacturer.)
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Ahh, polish you say. Polishing things is my hobby
The problem is the following: In the loose community that is OE (ie: OZ, Fam, OS etc)
it is very unlikely that you will find many people working on polish in general.
We are just folks who do what they like, when they like. IOW: Nobody is paid to work on a specific part of the system, be it polish, bugfixing or something else.
So if noone is in the "mood" to fix bugs or polish things, it's just not going to happen.
And I can perfectly understand that creating new applications is more "fun" for most devs than the monotone (pun intended) task of fixing bugs, checking the bugtracker and the like
This is the reason why there are still some very annyoing, ancient bugs in OZ (try to mount your SD card with "mount /media/card", this one is soooooo trivial to fix, it's not even funny), Opie (say hello to the mendium-mount dialog of death on first-boot) or GPE (*cough* fonts / DPI on 640x480 *cough*, ok, I didn't check this one for some week heh).
Nobody is in the mood to fix them
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Status update:
- feeds created, hand optimised a bit,
- added some stuff which failed to build for Mickeyl (like perl 5.8.7)
- added feed/contrib/justinp/ with his GNU emacs build made on Zaurus
- cross SDK created
- BitBake archived
- OpenEmbedded metadata archived
I'm thinking about 'feed/contrib/' like pdaX have.
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We are just folks who do what they like, when they like. IOW: Nobody is paid to work on a specific part of the system, be it polish, bugfixing or something else.
Few days ago one user asked me about CFXGA card support in OpenZaurus. I searched, found kernel driver, some utils, API documentation and it is supported. I even started to write util to do some things with card.
Why I did it? Simple - got donation so I felt that it would be nice from me to do something for him in return.
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The problem is the following: In the loose community that is OE (ie: OZ, Fam, OS etc)
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Enter Ångström
With the release policy mickeyl and I have drafted up (to be published soon) such bugs would plainly block the release till they get fixed, or in rare occasions, waived. With the old teams combined we can actually have a release policy