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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => C1000/3x00 General discussions => Topic started by: Hydraulix on February 26, 2006, 05:45:28 pm
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I googled sl-c3200 and found a site that mentions a new Zaurus that might be coming out next month. Anyone have any info or anything on this?
Here's that site...
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=...%3Doff%26sa%3DG (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.kakaku.com/bbs/Main.asp%3FSortID%3D4836076&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsl-c3200%2Bzaurus%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)
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Reading through the discussion at that link, it pretty much boils down to "I heard from a guy at a store...", followed by an argument about not being able to backup the information. In other words, no real basis, mostly speculation and rumor.
This doesn't mean it's not true, but, as always, I'd recommend caution before getting any hopes up.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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I just sold my c-1000 and i fall back to my sl-5500. I did miss my old machine. This is great news or roomer depending what exactly sharp is or not going to do. I can't wait! I have 1200 dollars saved up for the next zaurus.
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Here we go again this brings back fond memories of last years Discussion on a similar subject
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Stephen,
that's not a denial or confirmation or even a "I don't know".....
we look to you and trisoft to keep us sane.
BTW the last time we had rumour with an actual model number I think was the sl-c3100. That was a little more concrete. The rumour came from a sharp program (photo storage?) that checked to see if it was a 3100 or 3000.
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actually upon ripping some programs apart I did see a reference to a SL-C3500
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actually upon ripping some programs apart I did see a reference to a SL-C3500
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Any idea on what kind of upgrade the "0400" difference could buy? Let's take the previous 3000 vs. 3100 case as the basis for speculation.
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hopefully wifi+bt and 256mb rom and at least 128mb ram, maybe a 624MHz processor and 2.6 kernel(oh wait I am obviously dreaming now)
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Look what i found in my fortune cookie today:
Confucius says:
March, 7th may bring enlightment
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Strange thats what my fortune cookie said wonder if we can trust it since we got the same.
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oh boy. I would guess this would be more evolutinary than revolutionary because of the model number. So let's take a 3100 and guess from there. Maybe it is just a software upgrade like the 860 was from the 760.
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Maybe dual operating system windows mobile/ Linux
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uhm... at least a long awaited news for the zaurus geeks around... I've waited months from last announcement, I can sure wait for one week and a half more.
Now I see a reason for living till March 7th ! ;-)
And I hope the future will bring us lots of joy, wifi/bt/2.6/RAM/ROM/UMTS for us techno-addics.
Stephen, when asked again, does conficius say anything else, even in chinese (many folks in this forum can help in the translation).
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hmmmz time to start saving....
I bet sashz and maslovsky are saying "crap, I just polished off pdax and cacko for the 3100, now another model!"
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I CAN'T WAIT!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!I CAN'T WAIT!!!
FOR THE MEAN TIME, LOOK WHAT CONFUCIOUS TOLD ME!!!!!!
Confucius Say...Secretary not permanent fixture until screwed on top of desk
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my latest guess is an 8GB version of the 3100
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I CAN'T WAIT!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!I CAN'T WAIT!!!
FOR THE MEAN TIME, LOOK WHAT CONFUCIOUS TOLD ME!!!!!!
Confucius Say...Secretary not permanent fixture until screwed on top of desk
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hey found my quote of the day....
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Oh I do hope this isn't true, I'd at least like to get my hands on my 3100 before it's superceeded
it's in the US at the moment, and will be flying in with my uncle about the middle of the month, so if thay could wait till then that'd be great
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The only thing the Zaurus truly lacks is wifi and bt as far as I'm concerned. I'd love to see a 4" lcd, faster cpu, more memory and even a kernel bump to 2.6.x, but this would be icing on the cake.
So, I'll settle for wifi, bt and a refreshening of the Sharp supplied applications.
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This has certainly sparked the forum interest today How about a Dual core Zaurus that would be nice
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You'll need dual core if you are using translucent windows and shadows or openoffice (and more ram).
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I'll bet $20 it's just a HDD upgrade and maybe RAM to 128MB, there really isn't much else to do with the current clamshell package.
I will be really choked if the SL-C3200 has 800x600 or something like that, or if the display was upgraded to an organic LED type. Sharp is big on LCDs.
I doubt we will see anything too new in this generation. (I hope!)
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This has certainly sparked the forum interest today How about a Dual core Zaurus that would be nice
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Now you're talkin'. If were going to talk abour rumors let's make it a big one.
Dual core Zaurus running a full desktop linux
Fuel cell capable of 7 days with wifi use
60GB drive
3-D lcd
Integrated camera capable of video conferencing over wifi or phone (CF card)
VOIP capable
bio-metric fingerprint reader
all wrapped in a beautiful .5 inch thick, ultra light, polyresin case
Oh yeah, through in the "kitchensync".
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There is always an improvement to be made on something. A few months ago, I saw a convention where a guy pulled out a wallet and opened it up, he he pulled a silk cloth from one of the pockets and expanded it. this was the organic screen. On the lower half, light transmited a keyboard luminating keys of light on to the table. crazy stuff.
But for the sharp-
a bigger screen like the one used on the sl-6000 (which many say is much better than the current c-1000 and up) with brightness and contrast control.
Bluetooth and wifi(i hear these are not used in japan that much and this is why we dont have them built in.)
256-500 of internal memory
8gb inernal cf drive
2gb and up sd card drivers
gps probably as an option
dobule the capacity of battery lithium
thinner? could this be possible?
of course this is just speculation.
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Now we are getting somewhere thsi is the dreams I was looking for
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Most of those specs will be covered by UMPC tablets that are going to be announced soon. We will see how the Z will fairs against those.
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I dunno if anyone's noticed but linux for the HTC universal has made progress, i.e. they've got linux booting off SD card, with graphical console.
If they continue to make progress, I can see that the HTC uni will be what we zaurians have been waiting for!
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So, could the surprise be linux-qtopia running on a slightly modified sharp w-zero3 ??
http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/sharp-w...o3-mini-review/ (http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/13/sharp-w-zero3-mini-review/)
Certainly, having the nokia 770 already in stores and the soon to be announced origamis, we are living nice times now. The desert has finished !
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oh god I would sell my mother for a 3100 with built in wifi/bt and bigger screen, I hope Sharp is reading these forums ;-)
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The difference in model number seems small. I would guess it will have wifi inside. Maybe 128 mb of ram. Bigger screen? I wish, but it won't happen.
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oh god I would sell my mother for a 3100 with built in wifi/bt and bigger screen, I hope Sharp is reading these forums ;-)
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Well, AlbertR has successfully implanted these into a 1000, so depending on how much your mother is worth, he might be willing to supply a modified 3100!!!
Please post photos of said mother along with roadworthyness certificate
Paul
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Hey, I could sure go for one of those! even the C1000 (Only CF card I use is memory or a GPRS data card - with wifi, bt, and the faster SD slot on the C1k, I could just use that)
Hmm. . . Bluetooth drivers on Linux are NO WAY as ready as on WinMobile, for example, only on the very latest Affix packages (Not available for Zaurus) is there Headset support. Another porting challenge! Latest version of Affix to Z! hehehe
Might get inbuilt wifi. . The 6000's had it (some of.)
Which was the Universal? The I-mate JasJar clamshell-type?
I predict. . .
PXA270-520
128mb SDRAM
128mb ROM
4gb Microdrive to 8gb Microdrive (8 gig unlikely still quite expensive ATM)
802.11a/b/g (11mbps)
3.7" clamshell CG
Black casing (If not, i WILL just paint it, like the pink one)
1800mAh battery (removable)
USB OTG
Bluetooth Class 2 (10m)
Silkscreened Keyboard
Touch-sensing digitiser
Silk-screen function buttons
Same crap stylus as on all others (I use a Treo stylus, you know, the Steel-bodied ones with the plastic tip and the sharpened spike under the endcap. . . Doesn't everyone use em?)
What I'd LIKE: a 1.3mp camera. Can't be assed to carry a webcam round with me. Any way you can transplant one of Those into a zaurus? (e.g, off a nokia)
kidding. . .
AlbertR! Price me up XD
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Zaurus of my dreams.
Same like the 3100 with :
Wifi & Bt and a bigger screen 4".
also a mic for record meetings
Yeah YEAH YEAH !!! I'm waiting for you.
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Zaurus of my dreams.
Same like the 3100 with :
Wifi & Bt and a bigger screen 4".
also a mic for record meetings
Yeah YEAH YEAH !!! I'm waiting for you.
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Waiiiiiit. . . SL-CXXXX don;t have Microphones? My 5600 has a microphone! and you can attach one to the 5500!
Looks like another job for. . SUPERALBERT! XD
No really, I hail you. You are a genius.
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I told you something new would come out shortly after I purchased my 3100.
You're welcome
Such is the life of the gizmo obsessed.
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This year seems to be the light tablet year:
* tomorrow, more info on micro$$oft's origami project
* next week, new zaurus
* this month, the cPC will be available
* this year, expect a revamped Nokia 770, OQO, Flybook and maybe a new Sony U?
So be prepared to order your prefered and definitive ultimate pda/minipc, to find next week a new option in your buying list. For me it's being very tough to still be with my already outdate sl-c750, but I can't miss next shot.
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hopefully wifi+bt and 256mb rom and at least 128mb ram, maybe a 624MHz processor and 2.6 kernel(oh wait I am obviously dreaming now)
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We can all dream of a perfect world ...
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speaking of the perfect world, here is mines.
Just waiting for that perfect zaurus in the meantime.
[img]http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/pcpic.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
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ok Cresho, thats disgusting, clean neat and everything in order
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the 3100 has a mic. (though there seems to be a problem using it in pdax atm).
Wouldn't it be better to pay some talented electro-surgeon to upgrade an existing 1k/3100 to spec then to buy another Z?
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ok Cresho, thats disgusting, clean neat and everything in order
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I thought you'd like it!
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speaking of the perfect world, here is mines.
Totoro!!!!!
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Depends. If vthe 3200/3500 has any sort of RF communication ON THE BOARD, then it's worth it for most people.
yasee, I found Albert's website, and his Mod would replace the Hard disk in a 3100/3000 (hence why there's no point in using a 3100 for Alberts mod, unless you like black)
Although you all already knew that. XD
So, the advantage of a new zaurus with onboard connectivity (Even just one of Wifi OR bluetooth) is that it free's up expansion. Either the internal CF Microdrive slot, with an AlbertR hack, or a CF slot in normal use.
heh, if the Linux BlueTooth implementations were as good as the Windows drivers, then Sharp would make a MINT in the US/UK on the zaurus with inbuilt RF.
Unfortunately, unless Sharp want to seriously spend revenue on an open-source project, or the BlueZ or Affix drivers suddenly become as fullfunctional and easy to use as. . for example, the SCSI, IDE and Network drivers in the kernel, We're boned on that. Might one day get wifi if we're lucky!
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cresho, that setup is really di$$apointing. m$ winblows on that superb setup is something I can''t really understand, like driving a ferrari with a lock in the 1st gear position, like using a Concorde just to go buy groceries, like ....
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ok Cresho, thats disgusting, clean neat and everything in order
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cresho, that setup is really di$$apointing. m$ winblows on that superb setup is something I can''t really understand, like driving a ferrari with a lock in the 1st gear position, like using a Concorde just to go buy groceries, like ....
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YOU TWO GUYS!!!!!!!!!
jesus i can't believe im doing this.
check out my ubuntu operating system..................and eat garbage!!!!!
[img]http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/ubuntupc.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
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I hope Sharp is reading these forums ;-)
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I hope your mother isn't
I await the 7th with slight anticipation, and some trepidation as I feel it could be a letdown. I hope for a faster processor (to allow UAE to run smoother) and a bigger screen. More RAM would be good, but hey, give me the bigger screen and I'll be ordering
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cresho, now you are the man, the star that inspire us in the right path: big $$ on computer stuff which we don't care if it gets dirty after linux hacking all night long; and always looking for the next toy; you know the adaggio, right: what's the diference between a kid and a man: the price of his toys !
Nice pictures !
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A). was that an Alaska Amber glass?
B ). you sure you weren't running ubuntu in "live" mode? All we see is gdm with a standard greeter
bummer about the mod needing so much space. guess I better comile a kernel use that usb wireless.... with a long wire to put the dongle in my shirt pocket.
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Cresho, that's an incredible setup you 've got there! Congrats! :-)
I especially like the Star Trek TOS wallpaper (prolly from The Wrath of Khan?)
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ok Cresho, thats disgusting, clean neat and everything in order
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cresho, that setup is really di$$apointing. m$ winblows on that superb setup is something I can''t really understand, like driving a ferrari with a lock in the 1st gear position, like using a Concorde just to go buy groceries, like ....
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YOU TWO GUYS!!!!!!!!!
jesus i can't believe im doing this.
check out my ubuntu operating system..................and eat garbage!!!!!
[img]http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/ubuntupc.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
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its dirty, frikkin' cool, now thats a desktop! Whut! Whut is that? a live cd? or did you really install ubuntu?
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hah! you guys trying to make us jealous aye?
look at this little beauty
I want my new Zaurus to have bigger screen/resolution, VGA out, USB high speed and firewire, built-in wifi and bluetooth, camera and mic, more RAM, bigger disk, faster CPU, biometrics and java card enabled
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my monitor is 32 inches- Im currently in between debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, mandriva and trying to figure out what to try next. So yes its a dual boot.
Ubuntu kubuntu makes install very easy and also making the os dual boot is flawless. I used partition magic in windows to partition ntfs. ubuntu to configure linux partitions on the drive.
I have 1 terabit or byte of disk space on my pc.
The reason i have kubuntu ..well its kubuntu right now is because im trying to install enlightenment e17. I did the configuration make install and all that but i am missing libs. kubuntu makes it a bit hard to download the files or maybee im missing something. also, having a hardtime using widescreen resolution. Since i have an old 6800gt graphics card, i thought that would work just fine out of the box but now i really need to dig up some drivers for it.
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I have kubuntu on one of the my older machines. It's a good distribution for those most comfortable in the windows world (that's not a flame but a compliment to introduce people to linux). Personally my fan favourite is gentoo. It's easier to use than freebsd's port system and more flexible than the debian based distributions. Slackware is my other favourite.
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Uhmm... I'm really thinking about moving from gentoo: too many compilation times, and, why is it that still today firefox 1.5 is classified as experimental?
I took a look at ubuntu and it seemed very nice to me
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Yes, gentoo runs great on many platforms, but compiling for gentoo is not really for slower machines.
I think they still believe firefox is unstable compared to 1.0.7. I saw a thread (gentoo.org) where people were complaining about 1.5.
Back on subject: I find it intersting that sharp's Z announcement is the same day the UMPC is supposed to be unveiled...If it wasn't for the 3200 model number.
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http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-42945...perimental.html (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-429451-highlight-firefox+experimental.html)
Is why firefox is still at 1.0.7. But I've been using 1.5 for a while on all three of my Gentoo boxes and have had no problem.
I recommend using Gentoo because of Portage. I'm running e17 on all of my Gentoo boxes and the install was a breeze. Also updating the e17 packages was too easy. Just read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17 (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17)
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yep that's the thread I saw. I have been using 1.5 on one of my gentoo boxes without problem either.
on subject: Would it be good if the Z turns into a UMPC?
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yep that's the thread I saw. I have been using 1.5 on one of my gentoo boxes without problem either.
on subject: Would it be good if the Z turns into a UMPC?
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If the Z is around long-term I believe it will have to evolve into a UMPC in order to compete. As UMPCs come on the market and the price starts to drop it will be hard not to go for a handheld running a desktop OS vs an embedded OS. I know I would love to use the exact same applications in both environments.
Bluedevils, this is exactly the thought I had in mind when I raised a similar question in this thread:
[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17354&hl=]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17354&hl=[/url]
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yep and my response in that thread is still the same
The Z is stand out and special. With the exception of the 6000, their designs are unique to sharp.
I think it should evolve to something more pocketable and probably with voice capabilities. Sharp could make UMPCs, but it wouldn't be a zaurus.
Gosh. I sound elitist.....
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Sorry guys i have'nt been posting but i managed to get nvidia drivers working on my pc from abovce, unreal tournament 2004 running, and now am going to enable e17 on kubuntu.
besides that, i was wondering if anybody has read up on any new news of the zaurus that is supposedly going to be coming out.
I am thrilled in having kubuntu running and so easy to use and more stable than mandriva. Now if i can only find out how to sync the zaurus to my kubuntu.
which one is best for syncing with linux desktop?
pdaxrom?
openzaurus?
sharprom?
cacko?
oops! I hijacked the thread.
anyway, any new news for the c-3200?
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http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html)
HD +2GB, and... that's it.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html)
HD +2GB, and... that's it
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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Now that is really dissappointing. 2GB extra disk space and nothing else changed, not even extra driver support. One would expect that they would had by now included bluetooth and better sd/mmc drivers, sigh
But they did add a lot of extra software, mainly targeting people who want to learn English, so there's an updated dictionary and an English course, text to speech engine.
Well, they also updated the mobile map to have most of japan now....
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http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html)
HD +2GB, and... that's it.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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lol It is a 3100b!
much better to spend $$ upgrading a 3100 if the upgrade fit seizes you (and it is possible beyond changing out the hd)
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http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html)
HD +2GB, and... that's it.
- ashikase
- anpachi, gifu, japan
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That's what I guessed, fair enough. This sets my mind straight to get a 6000W. Btw, not obvious from the picture wether it's black or white casing.
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hmm--I wonder how much it will cost? white? ARGH!!!!!!!
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who cares, wont touch this one with a 10ft pole, was gonna wait to mod my 3100 with a microdrive-->cf+bt module on the 2nd usb port of the pxa270, buit looks like I gotta save for some mod's.
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Looking at this from a bright side....
Sharp is still making zaurus!
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WTFujiyama...
That is so dissappointing, practically zero improvements. Sharp clearly isn't competing anymore, but still...
While in the same week they're introducing the paper-thin Papyrus series of multimedia dictionaries http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060301-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060301-a.html)
Its clear where their profits are coming from.
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its amazing, they totally drop the ball on software support, now looks like they are funbleing at the hardware side now too....
I would like to take this moment to thank all the developers out there for thier hard work on applications rom and fixes. HOOORAHHH!
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Well that was dissapointing.
Now I'm looking at the guys who run linux on their HTC:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress)
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Well that was dissapointing.
Now I'm looking at the guys who run linux on their HTC:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress)
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That sucker looks ugly but man....nice with linux.
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Well that was dissapointing.
Now I'm looking at the guys who run linux on their HTC:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?p...iversalProgress (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress)
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That sucker looks ugly but man....nice with linux.
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And it's fully equipped: wifi, bluetooth, gsm/gprs/umts. You can even use it as a umts to wifi router !
we'll I'll wait until the origami project surfaces and then I'll make up my mind (actually I have poor expectations for the micro$$oft's umpc)
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Well that sucked.
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Well, that reflects the declinement of PDA market.
Without meeting the demanding people with necessary technology, it will diminishing.
Very disappointed!
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Also found
www.ezaurus.com is updated to C3200.
The full specification:
http://www.ezaurus.com/lineup/slc3200/spec.html (http://www.ezaurus.com/lineup/slc3200/spec.html)
And Comparison table:
http://www.ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html (http://www.ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html)
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In fact, big increase
C3000->C3100, it only added 112MB flash, while
C3100->C3200, it added 2GB storage. lol
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reading the email summary of this thread, for a brief moment, I hoped that they added lots more flash memory, rather than just fit the latest microdrive.
I think this partly marketing exercise, and partly an act of necessity in that the 4GB microdrives are somewhat obsolete and therefore Sharp are probably able to buy the 6GB ones more easily.
As someone said, good news that Sharp are still active in producing the Z, bad news that they are "resting on their laurels". AlbertR has proved that adding a bluetooth module would be TRIVIAL for Sharp - he deserves a couple of 1000 US$ consultancy from them for his work - and yet Sharp don't care.
If it weren't for the lack of an alternative, I'd be happy to see Sharp's PDA division go tits-up over their uselessness. If money were no object I'd be a Flybook or equivalent mini-laptop owner.
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Sharp has designed the PXA270-based Zaurii to be expandable. There're soldering pads on the pcb to add more flash memory and Mitsumi WML-C19 bluetooth module amoung other things. So, it HAS BEEN designed for this in mind. I guess Sharp just doesn't see any need for it in current Japanese market.
-albertr
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he deserves a couple of 1000 US$ consultancy from them for his work
Any donations are welcome
Seriously, my take on SL-3200 release is that it's good news that Sharp still makes Zaurii and not abandoning this market.
-albertr
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I thought that today isn't 1st of April.
Sharp has designed the PXA270-based Zaurii to be expandable. There're soldering pads on the pcb to add more flash memory and Mitsumi WML-C19 bluetooth module amoung other things. So, it HAS BEEN designed for this in mind. I guess Sharp just doesn't see any need for it in current Japanese market.
-albertr
I've heard that you are a kind of magician
Maybe you could open a company and make mod's to Zauruses. Bluetooth module inside my sooon-to-arrive Zaurus would be my wish come true
And that what you are doing is more encouraging than what Sharp is doing.
Thanks a lot
Kind regards,
Raul
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I just checked the HTC specs again. It's a bit longer, but not as deep. Has BT, WiFi, 640x480, 520Mhz proc. I have seen Opie and GPE screen shots. It also has 1.3mp camera and its a phone. Keyboard, rotating screen.
It is lacking CF. I cannot use my 4GB Microdrives for movies, but it does have SD. 4GB SD cards < $200.
IMHO, the HTC Universal is what the Zaurus should have been given its 3 year head start.
I waited a year for the next Z. What a letdown.
I'll stick with my c860, and watch the Linux progress of the HTC. I can dump my phone with this device. Given the phone is GSM/WCDMA + BT/WiFi this may represent the anti-Zaurus. i.e. a device that will work everywhere but Japan (and perhaps Korea).
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Oh Surprise!!! sharp made a new dictionary, the SL-C3200. pfffff !!!
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Sorry for OT, but does anyone at Sharp read this board?
If not daily, but just occasionlly?
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Sharp has designed the PXA270-based Zaurii to be expandable. There're soldering pads on the pcb to add more flash memory and Mitsumi WML-C19 bluetooth module amoung other things. So, it HAS BEEN designed for this in mind. I guess Sharp just doesn't see any need for it in current Japanese market.
-albertr
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Whoa! Now, I know the SL-6000x was designed for lots of variants (flash, ram, with/without bluetooth, with/without wifi), and it's possible to buy the WML bluetooth modules from [a href=\"http://segor.de]http://segor.de[/url]
BUT
this is the first time that I heard the SL-C1000/3x00 zauruses had solder pads for a bluetooth module! So, you mean to say, "all" I need to do is buy an SL-C3200, get a WML-C19 module and "just" solder it in???? I must have been asleep to have missed that!
Or am I missing something?
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IMHO, the HTC Universal is what the Zaurus should have been given its 3 year head start.
I waited a year for the next Z. What a letdown.
I'll stick with my c860, and watch the Linux progress of the HTC. I can dump my phone with this device. Given the phone is GSM/WCDMA + BT/WiFi this may represent the anti-Zaurus. i.e. a device that will work everywhere but Japan (and perhaps Korea).
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I'm in the same queue... as soon as linux on the HTC uni will do everything I can do with the Zaurus (it's 75% of the way there - i.e. have working usb, keyboard, display, SD, wifi and bluetooth) I'll be there... assuming I can sell my granny to buy one, they're typically US$800 or EU750 off-contract.
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I waited a year for the next Z. What a letdown.
Indeed, my fine sir.
I'll stick with my c860, and watch the Linux progress of the HTC. I can dump my phone with this device. Given the phone is GSM/WCDMA + BT/WiFi this may represent the anti-Zaurus. i.e. a device that will work everywhere but Japan (and perhaps Korea).
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HTC Universal works in Japan too, and DoCoMo will put it on Jap market in the second half of this year (that was mostly caused by teh huge success of this Sharp's Windows
pda/phone that we were bashing, so at least it did SOMETHING). If the price will be decent, I'll be getting one. Frankly, I'm sick of all this Sharp bull, with just a couple minor cheap changes/addons it could be such a wonderful platform, and it's still crippled.
How long has it been since C760 came out, and what has changed since then? We got USB host and a HD. Wow! HTC Universal is a superior hardware platform and only thing where zaurus wins is that the userbase Linux OS distributions are more mature (I never found Zaurus' default rom to be much better than Win, it's too crippled). But that will soon change.
Well gents, sorry for making you read through this rant, I had to vent a bit, I really hoped that the change will be more substantial than it was the last time. As I said, I will probably be going with HTC Universal or whatever DoCoMo will call it (anyone has any new info on that?) but I will keep my Zaurus, because I've been a devout Zauruser for a long time. It just won't have the status of 'something to carry with you at all times' anymore.
All that being said, I think, just like others mentioned, that it's good that Sharp is at least still making and 'developing' them, and that it will bring some other good things.
If nothing else, price of C3100 should go down, at least here in Japan.
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this is the first time that I heard the SL-C1000/3x00 zauruses had solder pads for a bluetooth module! So, you mean to say, "all" I need to do is buy an SL-C3200, get a WML-C19 module and "just" solder it in???? I must have been asleep to have missed that!
Or am I missing something?
The soldering pads are located under microdrive, so yes - you can do it, but microdrive has to go, Otherwise you have to use flying leads and re-locate the BT module elsewhere.
-albertr
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See Akihabara News
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-11303...-C3200+%21.html (http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-11303-The+new+Sharp+Zaurus+SL-C3200+%21.html)
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"So yet another disappointing release by Sharp, that see their pocket computers, release after release, transformed more and more into an oversized dictionary."
Harsh, but they have a point.
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Hmm, I'm happy to hear they didn't upgrade this version too much. I just bought an SL-C3100 less than a month ago.
There are no new processors for us, nor are there cheap screens to replace the mass-marketed 640x480. If anything, we might have had built in wireless.
I would like to see a reduction in the power requirements for a Z, and OLEDs are the ticket. No need for a backlight.
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I would like all the current capabilities or more in a smaller package (sl-c7x0 with small battery).
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I waited for this.... I am looking for a alternative. For the price of this device and open source. it should have some decent hardware.
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Not a very exciting update, it should have been built-in bluetooth, wi-fi and ev-do, as well as 800x480 screen, something like this:
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From a positive side, this gives more time for different rom's to mature. For rom developers and average users, this is not totally bad news. With that said, when will be Sharp's next release? Are we going to wait another year.
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Not a very exciting update, it should have been built-in bluetooth, wi-fi and ev-do, as well as 800x480 screen, something like this:
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=117456\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I'd pay 700-800 US for that.
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speaking of the perfect world, here is mines.
Just waiting for that perfect zaurus in the meantime.
http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/pcpic.jpg (http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/pcpic.jpg)
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Well, now I have to.
[img]http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/SALD/SALD01.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
And, for the record, I was pretty sure that Sharp would wimp out with the next model. In fact, how much are people willing to bet that they upgraded to 6gb due to availablity of 4gb drives?
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Question regarding the HTC Universal: How on earth is it possible to get it to work as a phone in Linux? Don't you need some sort of proprietary software from a phone company?
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Just an FYI, I found a site with a price for the C3200 here:
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777 (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777)
Y74,799 (Including Tax and Shipping I'm sure domestic Japan only) or about USD $650...
Also, it looks like they did add SDIO support...
Otherwise not much news.
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/me wonders if the sdio is backwards compatable? hardwire in a sd wifi card....hmmmmm
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speaking of the perfect world, here is mines.
Just waiting for that perfect zaurus in the meantime.
http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/pcpic.jpg (http://www.zaurusthemes.org/oddpics/pcpic.jpg)
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Well, now I have to.
[img]http://www3.telus.net/~ranko/SALD/SALD01.jpg\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /]
And, for the record, I was pretty sure that Sharp would wimp out with the next model. In fact, how much are people willing to bet that they upgraded to 6gb due to availablity of 4gb drives?
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HAHA! kahm...are you sure your not working for nasa? Jesus - are you sure your not monitoring for aliens?
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Kahm,
1) this is not your house right? Otherwise, you must be sucking the electric power of your whole neighboorhood !!
2) please, avoid screenshots with M$ windows on any screen. Use photoshop if required before posting, for sanity of this reader
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I'm going to look on the bright side of the C3200 announcement. First of all, TRIsoft is going to have an easy time adding this device to their line up.
Second of all, I'm very excited about the Nokia 770 I just ordered.
Drippy
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Just an FYI, I found a site with a price for the C3200 here:
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777 (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777)
Y74,799 (Including Tax and Shipping I'm sure domestic Japan only) or about USD $650...
Also, it looks like they did add SDIO support...
Otherwise not much news.
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SDIO support!
This would be a Major announcement then!
How many posts are there, here on this board, asking/inquiring about SDIO support?
Wouldn't that mean, we no longer have to use the CF slot exclusively for accessories such as wifi, bluetooth, radios, gps, ect, ect.
Also wouldn't SDIO support enable 2 & 4GB SD cards without hacked drivers?
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AFAIK, people have proven that all the hardware is there for sdio. All it needed were the proper drivers. I'm assuming that this will be an easy port for the other clamshells just like the pc storage feature was from the 860.
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Question regarding the HTC Universal: How on earth is it possible to get it to work as a phone in Linux? Don't you need some sort of proprietary software from a phone company?
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The Linux community is undeniably crafty. I do not think this will be an issue. And if it were, so what, I'd get the HTC anyway for the rest of the features.
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HAHA! kahm...are you sure your not working for nasa? Jesus - are you sure your not monitoring for aliens?
Maybe I should start running Seti-at-home. That way I would be monitoring for aliens.
Kahm,
1) this is not your house right? Otherwise, you must be sucking the electric power of your whole neighboorhood !!
I rent. And Hibernation is my friend. Mostly, only what I'm using is running.
2) please, avoid screenshots with M$ windows on any screen. Use photoshop if required before posting, for sanity of this reader
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Sorry - that was a shot I had already online on a hardware board, so I wanted to have all three monitors running. I"ve got 2 computers running windows (one for games, and the 3-monitor machine for Photoshop.) The other three are running Kubuntu 5.10 and one with MacOS 10.4.3 for Intel. I haven't set up all three monitors on the Linux workstation yet, though.
And I just noticed that that shot didn't have my Z in it either. I'll have to rectify both later
As for the 3200, having SDIO on it would be a major move forward by Sharp. I'm looking forward to seeing that migrate to the older machines
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Sorry - that was a shot I had already online on a hardware board, so I wanted to have all three monitors running. I"ve got 2 computers running windows (one for games, and the 3-monitor machine for Photoshop.) The other three are running Kubuntu 5.10 and one with MacOS 10.4.3 for Intel. I haven't set up all three monitors on the Linux workstation yet, though.
get vmware server - it's free. then just run one big box and have virtual machines... works a treat - faster and easier to use than qemu; the only nuisance is getting the kernel module built when first installing.
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http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777 (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777)
Y74,799 (Including Tax and Shipping I'm sure domestic Japan only) or about USD $650...
Also, it looks like they did add SDIO support...
Otherwise not much news.
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Where did you see they added SDIO support? Anybody can give me a link to confirm this? Am I missing something?
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As I understand SDIO already supported in C1000 and C3100. What we lack of is the device driver!
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...b9%2fSL%2dC3200 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%a5%b6%a5%a6%a5%eb%a5%b9%2fSL%2dC3200)
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/new...page/28124.html (http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/28124.html)
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Does that mean I will eventually be able to use the Palm wifi SD card with my C3100?
This would be good, as I would only need to buy one wifi card,
and use it in both my Palm Zire 72 and my 'Z'
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just found this news:
http://www.embwise.com/new_support_sdio.htm (http://www.embwise.com/new_support_sdio.htm)
anyone knows what this is? is this driver for sale? I am confused
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seems to be no option to purchase without contacting them.
Looks like BIG DOLLARS to me.
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just found this news:
http://www.embwise.com/new_support_sdio.htm (http://www.embwise.com/new_support_sdio.htm)
anyone knows what this is? is this driver for sale? I am confused
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This has been around for a while. If I remember correctly, they are based in India and have developed an SDIO driver for Linux and tested it on the C3000.
They seem to be targetting OEMs, so you probably have to buy licenses by the 1000s, so the only way we would be able to use those drivers is if Sharp would license the drivers and ship it with the Zaurus. This would also mean that the price would have to go up to cover the license fee so it is very unlikely that it is going to happen since not that many people in Japan are interested and those are the people Sharp cares about.
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Sorry for OT, but does anyone at Sharp read this board?
If not daily, but just occasionlly?
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Obviously not!
If Sharp did read the OESF forums then the oft-repeated "Integrated Wi-fi and bluetooth for next Zaurus please Sharp" mantra would've been firmly embedded into their development TODO list long ago. I was genuinely expecting AT LEAST just that for this upgrade, as well as more RAM and I was also hoping for the 2700G and VGA out. The bigger microdrive was the least exciting thing they could add. As somebody has already said it is likely this update only arose due to shortage of 4GB or cheaper 6GB drives.
HTC- If you're reading then please re-vamp the Uni with 2700G graphics, VGA out, 128MB+ RAM, USB host, internal disk and a CF slot (dump the SD if I can only have one). This is the kinda spec the 3200 should've realistically been going for. Some company should put that together and hire sashz to sort out its OS
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As I understand SDIO already supported in C1000 and C3100. What we lack of is the device driver!
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...b9%2fSL%2dC3200 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%a5%b6%a5%a6%a5%eb%a5%b9%2fSL%2dC3200)
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/new...page/28124.html (http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/28124.html)
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This is no news. The previous poster said 3200 brings new SDIO support, which leaves me an impression that Sharp adds the SDIO device driver to 3200. Looks like this is not the case. We are still in the dark.
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get vmware server - it's free. then just run one big box and have virtual machines... works a treat - faster and easier to use than qemu; the only nuisance is getting the kernel module built when first installing.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=117602\")
I gave up on the single box model a long time ago. A single box just couldn't run all the hardware properly - period.
The game computer is a SLI setup in a lightweight, compact box where the rest of the hardware is minimalistic - single drive, single burner. That makes it portable enough for lans.
The second windows computer has three monitors, which creates performance issues for gaming, but is just about right for photoshop and to run bittorrent. Azureus kicks the heck out of a computer, even with a dedicated spindle, so there is no way I'd want it running on the computer I'm using at that second. That machine also has the SCSI card for the scanner and the modem for the answering system/fax.
The Kubuntu workstation is big, has lots of drives, and three monitors, and that's my box that I use most. The other 2 linux boxes are full of hard drives - one is my fileserver and has a TB of storage. The other is for experimenting with, and has a bunch (~12?) older IDE drives that I have to backup then decomission.
I just can't do everything in one box. I couldn't put enough memory or storage in it to do it all, and I'd have to leave that massive machine running all the time even if I did. This way I can only use what I need, and the rest are off and silent.
As I understand SDIO already supported in C1000 and C3100. What we lack of is the device driver!
[a href=\"http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%a5%b6%a5%a6%a5%eb%a5%b9%2fSL%2dC3200]http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...b9%2fSL%2dC3200[/url]
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/new...page/28124.html (http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/28124.html)
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This is no news. The previous poster said 3200 brings new SDIO support, which leaves me an impression that Sharp adds the SDIO device driver to 3200. Looks like this is not the case. We are still in the dark.
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Bugger. I had my hopes up.
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http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777 (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/pda/453072/481269/870895/#846777)
Y74,799 (Including Tax and Shipping I'm sure domestic Japan only) or about USD $650...
Also, it looks like they did add SDIO support...
Otherwise not much news.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=117498\")
Where did you see they added SDIO support? Anybody can give me a link to confirm this? Am I missing something?
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I found it on this website:
[a href=\"http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%A5%B6%A5%A6%A5%EB%A5%B9%2FSL-C3200]http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...5%B9%2FSL-C3200[/url]
It's in Japanese, but if you search the page for "sdio" you'll find it.
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I found it on this website:
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...5%B9%2FSL-C3200 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%A5%B6%A5%A6%A5%EB%A5%B9%2FSL-C3200)
It's in Japanese, but if you search the page for "sdio" you'll find it.
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I suspect this is just a community website compiling useful informations. That doesn't mean Sharp added the SDIO drivers, although I wish they did.
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I found it on this website:
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...5%B9%2FSL-C3200 (http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Linux%A5%B6%A5%A6%A5%EB%A5%B9%2FSL-C3200)
It's in Japanese, but if you search the page for "sdio" you'll find it.
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I suspect this is just a community website compiling useful informations. That doesn't mean Sharp added the SDIO drivers, although I wish they did.
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You are right. I just scoured the Sharp page and it doesn't mention SDIO anywhere... There is also someone on the site that says he couldn't find any mention of it on the official Sharp site either...
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Question regarding the HTC Universal: How on earth is it possible to get it to work as a phone in Linux? Don't you need some sort of proprietary software from a phone company?
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=117477\")
Ironically, [a href=\"http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/htc_universal_windows_mobile_5_pocket_pc_phone]Judie from the Gadgeteer put up a review of HTC Universal[/url]. Which is exactly where my next upgrade will be. I put off upgrading until the 3200 was concrete. Instead of concrete, it just looks like a concrete brick to me.
For $800, it should've eclipse the HTC unit.
*Sigh*...
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Actually the pricing has come down since it was announced its comparable to the same pricing the 3100 was for 2gb more space. I realize the disappointment in the new model however the pricing is not as bad now as we thought it would be.
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Ironically, Judie from the Gadgeteer put up a review of HTC Universal (http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/htc_universal_windows_mobile_5_pocket_pc_phone). Which is exactly where my next upgrade will be. I put off upgrading until the 3200 was concrete. Instead of concrete, it just looks like a concrete brick to me.
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There's been a lot of discussion about the HTC uni on www.clieplanet.co.uk over the last few months - the reviewer took his back as he said it was not stable enough to be usable - many reboots every day required just to make it work!
A colleague has a Dell Axim 51 with WM5 and it's utter shite... no, really... many 3rd party s/w is not 100% compatible, or simply crashes it. Things go haywire and the wifi will stop working properly - indicates connected with good signal but can't actually transfer traffic. Beautiful hardware, the OS really lets it down. In fact, Microsoft themselves have an advisory that people with WM2003 should NOT upgrade to WM5 for the time being!
So, if I did get a Universal, WM5 would merely be a glorified linux boot loader!
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this is the first time that I heard the SL-C1000/3x00 zauruses had solder pads for a bluetooth module! So, you mean to say, "all" I need to do is buy an SL-C3200, get a WML-C19 module and "just" solder it in???? I must have been asleep to have missed that!
Or am I missing something?
The soldering pads are located under microdrive, so yes - you can do it, but microdrive has to go, Otherwise you have to use flying leads and re-locate the BT module elsewhere.
-albertr
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AlbertR, can I just ask two questions?
- Why didn't you buy the WML-C19 module instead of using the guts from a USB bluetooth dongle?
- If you took a C3x00 and replaced the microdrive with a CF card, would there be room to solder in the bluetooth module onto the pads? Maybe you could do a bodge with a CF extender/ribbon to make more room? That is, can we build a C3x00 *with* bluetooth built in?
thanks!
Paul
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1. I'm not a big fan of Mitsumi WML-C19 module at the first place, especially since it requires a separate antenna. I'm not sure if soldered to PCB it won't block my internal wi-fi dongle, I didn't even try to contenplay using this module.
2. I don't own a C3x00, so not sure if it would be sufficient space inside. I would say that if all you need is just the extra space for flying leads, it's up to you how thin/thick to make them. The easiest way would be to open up you Z and try it out. There's one extra hardware step requires in order to use BTUART lines, I'll try to update http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/zaurus/wireless (http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/zaurus/wireless) with more info when I get a chance.
-albertr