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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kirin on March 07, 2006, 01:21:28 am
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http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html (http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html)
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6Gb hdd, thats the next model, geesh Sharp is really thinking big now....errr, I'm not upgrading
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6Gb hdd, thats the next model, geesh Sharp is really thinking big now....errr, I'm not upgrading
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Me neither, I'm fine with the 860 ... this year.
Not much different besides that hd size, though, is there? I just skimmed a quick Babelfish translation of the webpage and saw nothing else much new.
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6Gb hdd, thats the next model, geesh Sharp is really thinking big now....errr, I'm not upgrading
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Me neither, I'm fine with the 860 ... this year.
Not much different besides that hd size, though, is there? I just skimmed a quick Babelfish translation of the webpage and saw nothing else much new.
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same here, just more software...
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Hey it will teach you english! Oh, wait.....
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Looks like it is time to decide which non Sharp PDA to buy next time...
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Hey it will teach you english! Oh, wait.....
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well, Sharp did abandon the US market which is where the bulk of the English speaking customers are, but now with this new Zaurus that teaches English, there is a great new market of about one billion people who are trying to learn English in China. If you follow the ads there, one of the hottest things that's selling there are electronic dictionaries and English teaching aids. This 3200 could be the killer app there if Sharp decides to be smart. I have seen the Zaurus being advertised there as a versatile multimedia reader and dictionary, but there was no mention of Sharp nor the Zaurus brand except if you look very closely at the little device you will notice the familiar shape, the keyboard, the swivelling screen and oh that blue sticker that says microdrive inside and if you run it in slow motion, you will see Sharp for half a second. I can't wait to get my hands on an out of the box Chinese version of the Zaurus. I would upgrade to one of those.
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Hi,
I'm very disappointed about this news, and i really think for the next, i look for the dark side of Windows + wifi + bluetooth inside.
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Hey it will teach you english! Oh, wait.....
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well, Sharp did abandon the US market which is where the bulk of the English speaking customers are, but now with this new Zaurus that teaches English, there is a great new market of about one billion people who are trying to learn English in China. If you follow the ads there, one of the hottest things that's selling there are electronic dictionaries and English teaching aids. This 3200 could be the killer app there if Sharp decides to be smart. I have seen the Zaurus being advertised there as a versatile multimedia reader and dictionary, but there was no mention of Sharp nor the Zaurus brand except if you look very closely at the little device you will notice the familiar shape, the keyboard, the swivelling screen and oh that blue sticker that says microdrive inside and if you run it in slow motion, you will see Sharp for half a second. I can't wait to get my hands on an out of the box Chinese version of the Zaurus. I would upgrade to one of those.
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Are these Chinese models significantly cheaper than the "original" Zauri?
If so, and if the specs are iddentical otherwise, we should try to find a way to get hands on these devices...
daniel
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yep I predicted it. Microdrive hardware upgrade and some possible software enhancements. Sharp's too predictible now.
Looks like the UMPC will be the device to get. You'll get a full PC for the size of a paperback novel and better battery life.
The next Z needs to be radical and smaller. The UMPC is still too big to be pocketable
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i think it may not a real next model.
It's too little upgrade on hardware and even software.
i think Sharp wants the CXXXX model become a high-end multi-function dictionary, learning English machine.
Even a newer Z came out, CXXXX series may not fade out quickly. Because Z can still sell as a dictionary/music/video machine.
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remember the differences between the 860 and the 760.
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Really, what a let down ! AFter all the wait and so many page refreshes on all tech sites - this is the ultimate let down.
I guess Sharp is slowly abandoning the whole concept of a Zaurus as a Laptop replacement and going more toward specialised learning/dictionary/mp3 player etc kind of tool.
Even I think its time to move on beyond the zaurus - too bad none other device has such a cool form factor and a good keyboard too to boot.
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The google translation of the web page talks a lot about "animated picture" which I guess means video and "animated picture file conversion software" to convert TV programs to the Z. Does anybody know anymore about this?
Felipe
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I must admit that my first reaction to the SL-C3200 announcement was one of disbelief. WiFi & BT seemed to be the next logical progression. Though I’m seriously disappointed, I have to remember that I am not Sharp’s intended market for the Zaurus and the Japanese market seems to be very happy with it.
After the failure of the 5000, 5500, 5600 and 6000 to gain worldwide acceptance, Sharp has chosen not to relaunch the Zaurus on the worldwide stage. Even when the revolutionary SL-C700 appeared on the scene, Sharp never attempted to sell it outside of Japan. I believe they have decided not to compete in the worldwide PDA market and have since found a niche in the dictionary/language translation market and they were able to use the Zaurus to show case their VGA LCDs for handhelds.
If Sharp re-enters the worldwide market, it appears that the W-Zero3 platform is the one they are hanging their hat on. Has anyone else wondered why they used the “W†for Windows to name this device? Could it be that an “L†for Linux (L-Zero3) is in the works?
Is the 3200 signaling that Sharp is no longer working on innovations to the Zaurus and we shouldn’t expect significant changes in the software, kernel or radical new hardware upgrades? Or is Sharp planning a very significant upgrade to the Zaurus (kernel, software, hardware) and the 3200 only means they ran out of 4 GB drives and replaced them with 6 GB? Time will tell.
The Zaurus with integrated 802.11g and BT would make it near perfect for me. If this doesn’t happen soon then UMPC here I come.
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I live in china but i won't buy the Z for a mere electronic dictionary. It is too heavy for that. Its price will not be acceptable in too short a time while people are satisfied with much cheaper but better supported sl-7500.
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Just take a look at chinese ebay or taobao, then you'll know how big a market Dell and HP PPCs share. I don't believe that Sharp will enjoy a big market in china while Palm and WM are serving the purposes of english learners so well.
It is not a good idea for Sharp aiming solely at chinese market.
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Hi,
If the Zaurus release follow the same order that last year, we could see a new model in June,
but I don't know why they didn't increase the RAM, I mean 64Mb is not enough,
even for the apps. that they offer.
By the way, the new Zaurus' color is ugly.
Best Regards.
Daniel.
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but I don't know why they didn't increase the RAM, I mean 64Mb is not enough,
even for the apps. that they offer.
In a word (or two) - power consumption.
64MB is sufficient for most people (those at whom the devices are aimed anyway, not us), and most people are more worried about battery life than whether they can <insert very memory hungry usage here>.
Si
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more than likely it has to do with 6GB supplies and creating a little update to the 3100 product. I hope that this is because the 3100 is doing decent business and they are milking the design until they can r&d a new zaurus.
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It'll be interesting to see if the kernel has any updates. Too bad the Japanese don't want internal Wifi & BT
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An 800x480 screen would have been nice...
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Any idea what will it cost?
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Im suprised that they only went to 6GB when they could have got 10 or 12GBs (i am aware of the technical limitations)
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Are these Chinese models significantly cheaper than the "original" Zauri?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=117363\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Not when I went to an electronics market in Beijing, unfortunately - but that was a while back. I don't know if things have changed much since.
Also, there were relatively few places selling them.
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pfft. I can pop a bigger drive in my 3100 and be happy. At least I won't be getting any gear envy from people with the 3200
Unless there is something we don't know yet.
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Does anyone know whether any of the applications have been updated (Netfront, Opera, Hancom Suite, Video Player, Music Player, etc) ?
I seriously doubt the kernel has been updated though.
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An 800x480 screen would have been nice...
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This picture says "SL-C3300" ?
It looks like a SL-C3100 to me, but the thread is about SL-C3200. Am I missing something ?
edit : ok, it's the screen.
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One (and only) good thing about this release is that ROM people won't have to worry about porting anything. Having said that, I as a user am so annoyed with this release that I'm ready to jump ship (but still have the same problem - what to buy instead of my 860? I don't see any other non-sharp device out there that is comparable and none of the Zaurus releases after 860 took anything off from my wishlist - which includes screen size, better battery life, memory, and built-in bluetooth - improve on 2 out of those 4 and at this point I would be happy to upgrade). The problem is that for what Sharp wants people to use this device (dictionary/translation applications on steroids) none of these improvements are necessary - except maybe better screen performance outdoors. Actually, even if they would be able to put in bigger hard drive (ie 20gig) and no other improvements I could maybe consider it as it would at least allow me to retire ipod so I would have one fewer device to carry around.
At this point however, my money is on Jobs to come out with some neat small osx based tablet that of course runs ilife suite etc (and hopefully is not crippled to prevent us from opening terminal).
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If anyone from China/HK finds one of those English-learning (ie SL-C3200) Zaurus somewhere, could they please post its price here ?
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Pricejapan shows $652 for them, shipped... http://www.pricejapan.com/stock/spec.php?product_id=453 (http://www.pricejapan.com/stock/spec.php?product_id=453)
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Im suprised that they only went to 6GB when they could have got 10 or 12GBs (i am aware of the technical limitations)
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It was probably more likely to be related to cost... the 6Gb drive price differential is negligable, especially when bought in bulk.
Anything over 8Gb at the moment is quite costly.
-Andy
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I want a Zaurus.. but not this one...
Its an interesting addition to the line and I've been waiting for the new release while saving up the monies - from these very forums it seemed that a new release would be soon and I'd be safer waiting for it. But after reading the specs and the fact that its just (essentially) a bigger HD, I think I'll be waiting for the next one, and I don't think I'll be alone...
I can't help feeling like they've shot themselves in the foot with this one. Particularly with the new hype over Microsoft's Origami (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2077503,00.html). Say what you like about Microsoft, its potentially a very nice device and the XBox proves that their kit can be modified to take linux/BSD.. Its such a nice device that I think the speed of that project will be very fast indeed.
Here's looking for the next zaurus then - bigger and better
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I want a Zaurus.. but not this one...
Its an interesting addition to the line and I've been waiting for the new release while saving up the monies - from these very forums it seemed that a new release would be soon and I'd be safer waiting for it. But after reading the specs and the fact that its just (essentially) a bigger HD, I think I'll be waiting for the next one, and I don't think I'll be alone...
I can't help feeling like they've shot themselves in the foot with this one. Particularly with the new hype over Microsoft's Origami (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2077503,00.html). Say what you like about Microsoft, its potentially a very nice device and the XBox proves that their kit can be modified to take linux/BSD.. Its such a nice device that I think the speed of that project will be very fast indeed.
Here's looking for the next zaurus then - bigger and better
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Doesn't look like it has a proper keyboard and at 1kg in weight, ouch!
It's not pocketable which is a big minus.
But seriously, if you are going to wait, I guess you will be waiting for many months... I admire your patience.
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http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-11303-Th...-C3200+%21.html (http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-11303-The+new+Sharp+Zaurus+SL-C3200+%21.html)
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I can't help feeling like they've shot themselves in the foot with this one. Particularly with the new hype over Microsoft's Origami (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2077503,00.html). Say what you like about Microsoft, its potentially a very nice device and the XBox proves that their kit can be modified to take linux/BSD.. Its such a nice device that I think the speed of that project will be very fast indeed.
Here's looking for the next zaurus then - bigger and better
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Quote from your link The device's main weak point appears to be its battery life, which at 2.5 hours rules out many mobile applications. Microsoft hopes to have "day-long" battery life within a few years.
I highly suspect that Microsoft is making another mistake again.
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Here's looking for the next zaurus then - bigger and better
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Doesn't look like it has a proper keyboard and at 1kg in weight, ouch!
It's not pocketable which is a big minus.
But seriously, if you are going to wait, I guess you will be waiting for many months... I admire your patience.
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I can be very patient when large(ish) sums of money are involved
I thought I read somewhere else in this thread June, but to be honest its been a long day and I may have been dreaming.
It isn't pocketable, but with my phone, iRiver and random other things I lug about everywhere I need a bag anyway . Plus once I get that Zaurus and add in BT and WiFi cards I'm looking at a bag regardless. Quality over convenience in my world!!!
As a complete aside Meanie, I've been a regular visitor to your site looking for information. Keep up the good work
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Origami is another strategy error of microsoft.
Too big
Too heavy
No keyboard
Impossible to put in my pocket.
Just good enough for travel in the train or in the b oat or on the airplane..
I love my Zaurus !
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Origami is another strategy error of microsoft.
Too big
Too heavy
No keyboard
Impossible to put in my pocket.
Just good enough for travel in the train or in the b oat or on the airplane..
I love my Zaurus !
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But if you think about it, the PDA concept hasn't really done *that* well.
Most people have bags these days, so pocket isn't that big a deal.
The video I watched on ZDnet about them suggests that housewives in the test group found them pretty useful. I'd love something that had an A5 screen that I could use like a notepad in meetings, pda screens are just too small for note taking.
I'd rather have full scale apps on a smaller form factor than cut down apps on a smaller form factor. I've been drooling over an OQO for ages, but if origami takes off there will be a barrage of new smaller formed fully fledged pcs.
Personally I hope the rumoured Mac mini laptop has a tablet style ability. Something with mac style and a keyboard and a write on able screen would be awesome.
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I am thinking very seriously that my successor to the Zaurus is going to be the Nokia 770 - maybe I will just wait for the next updated iteration of the 770 - the one Engadget reported (source Nokia) as purpotedly having a keyboard and a VoIP stack.
I mean seriously with the proliferation of wifi everywhere - a VoIP supported 770 would as well act as a phone - not an always-on phone but at least some voice phoning capability.
I just hope Nokia delivers, unlike Sharp.
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I can't help feeling like they've shot themselves in the foot with this one. Particularly with the new hype over Microsoft's Origami (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2077503,00.html). Say what you like about Microsoft, its potentially a very nice device and the XBox proves that their kit can be modified to take linux/BSD.. Its such a nice device that I think the speed of that project will be very fast indeed.
The Origami device so far seems more like buzzword hype than anything concrete. Or at least, to me, it looks quite like a tablet PC -- not quite what I want.
My SL-6000's thumbboard recently started going on the fritz, which is a bugger. So I've kind of been skimming around to figure out what's around.
For me, it looks like the only real competitor to what the Zaurus *can* do is the OQO. Basically, I want a portable device that has a thumbboard, can connect to the Internet on the go, and open a todo list text file and other files (Excel, etc.) that I can sync up with my PCs at work and home. Games are good too for when I'm bored.
There may be more players in this game in the future, but we'll see. I know there's the Tiqit and the Flipstart, both promising, but vaporware for some time (Tiqit says they are in preproduction though). Sony's rumored to come out with something ala the OQO, but maybe not. If they made the Pepper Pad smaller, it could work but it's too big now and that split keyboard design would irritate me, probably. The i-Mate JASJAR / Universal HTC / etc has the right form factor IMHO but its use of Windows Mobile would probably frustrate me, and I don't need phone functionality anyways. And the Nokia 770 might become the next Z for the Linux crowd if they only added a thumbboard.
Lots of promise, but nothing that great that I see yet.
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The Origami device so far seems more like buzzword hype than anything concrete. Or at least, to me, it looks quite like a tablet PC -- not quite what I want.
My SL-6000's thumbboard recently started going on the fritz, which is a bugger. So I've kind of been skimming around to figure out what's around.
For me, it looks like the only real competitor to what the Zaurus *can* do is the OQO. Basically, I want a portable device that has a thumbboard, can connect to the Internet on the go, and open a todo list text file and other files (Excel, etc.) that I can sync up with my PCs at work and home. Games are good too for when I'm bored.
There may be more players in this game in the future, but we'll see. I know there's the Tiqit and the Flipstart, both promising, but vaporware for some time (Tiqit says they are in preproduction though). Sony's rumored to come out with something ala the OQO, but maybe not. If they made the Pepper Pad smaller, it could work but it's too big now and that split keyboard design would irritate me, probably. The i-Mate JASJAR / Universal HTC / etc has the right form factor IMHO but its use of Windows Mobile would probably frustrate me, and I don't need phone functionality anyways. And the Nokia 770 might become the next Z for the Linux crowd if they only added a thumbboard.
Lots of promise, but nothing that great that I see yet.
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You might be interested in having a quick look at myOQO page [a href=\"http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myOQO/]http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myOQO/[/url] which compares the OQO to the Zaurus a bit...
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You might be interested in having a quick look at myOQO page http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myOQO/ (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myOQO/) which [div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=117991\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
That's a really useful page, thanks... until I read that I always had a niggling thought of whether I should consider buying an OQO instead.... now I definitely know I DON'T want one. I think I'd rather waste^Wspend the money on one of those mini-laptops/tablets... but meanwhile, I'll stick with my beloved 860 until the Zaurus 3500LW comes out (my made-up name, next upgrade of Z with wifi and bluetooth).
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I bought a QTEK 9000 in october 2005... I stopped to use my SL-C760 the same day.
The QTEK 9000 and 9100 are really impressive. The missing feature : CF slot + HD + Linux. The added feature : (...) read it by yourself : http://www.qtek.eu.com (http://www.qtek.eu.com)
This device is sold by a few other companies with different names. Perhaps names matter to you (it doesn't matter to me).
I miss Linux. That's it. A port is in progress. GPE and OPIE already run on it.
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I bought a QTEK 9000 in october 2005... I stopped to use my SL-C760 the same day.
The QTEK 9000 and 9100 are really impressive. The missing feature : CF slot + HD + Linux. The added feature : (...) read it by yourself : http://www.qtek.eu.com (http://www.qtek.eu.com)
This device is sold by a few other companies with different names. Perhaps names matter to you (it doesn't matter to me).
I miss Linux. That's it. A port is in progress. GPE and OPIE already run on it.
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I'm a new guy here and wanted to know if you guys think I should get the SL-C3200 when it comes out or stick with the more known SL-C3100 or SL-C1000. I'm thinking of making this may laptop replacement for college. I will also bring my PC to college which I'd keep in my dorm room. You think this is a great strategy?
JAmerican
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it seems to me your best bet is to see if the a 3100 can be had cheap as a result of the 3200 release.
If that isn't possible, the 3200 would be it, then.
Howevwer, if you have time and can persuade someone to do the hacks, you could get a 1000, have bt or wireless (or both ) connected internally and use an external cf microdrive.
The last setup would be very cool, but it is probably unlikely to get done.
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I'm a new guy here and wanted to know if you guys think I should get the SL-C3200 when it comes out or stick with the more known SL-C3100 or SL-C1000. I'm thinking of making this may laptop replacement for college. I will also bring my PC to college which I'd keep in my dorm room. You think this is a great strategy?
JAmerican
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The SL-C860 was to the SL-C760 what the SL-C3200 is to the SL-C3100. In a few months, we will certainly see a bigger move from Sharp.
Btw, those Sharp device are great to play with. It's better to select the last one if money is not an issue for you.
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Hi,
Well, I really hope that amrein is right, fllowing "the logic" Sharp must release a "real release" in June.
If you remember the last year, we got (well japanese got, we just import jiji) the C1000 on March and the 3100 was on June. After all this time, seems like Sharp was bussy with something, may be playing Rubik's or may be developing a new baby
Regards.
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I'm wondering if the W-Zero3 is a precursor to the Zaurus form factor changing. Would you be interested in a non-clamshell Zaurus where the screen slides up like the W-Zero3 or OQO?
I wouldn't mind this form factor a bit and it would allow Sharp to use a larger screen without changing the current footprint size of the Zaurus (no hinge).
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I'm wondering if the W-Zero3 is a precursor to the Zaurus form factor changing. Would you be interested in a non-clamshell Zaurus where the screen slides up like the W-Zero3 or OQO?
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Interesting thought. I don't think I would mind too much. Larger screen would be a trade off that I would be OK with.
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I'm wondering if the W-Zero3 is a precursor to the Zaurus form factor changing. Would you be interested in a non-clamshell Zaurus where the screen slides up like the W-Zero3 or OQO?
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Interesting thought. I don't think I would mind too much. Larger screen would be a trade off that I would be OK with.
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I would mind! Such a form factor doesn't allow to adjust the angle between keyboard and screen, so how to type on that device if it sits on the table? You would have to bend over it a lot to read the screen, didn't you?
I fin'd it already anoying that the C3000's screen snaps back into a wide angle by itself if you try to adjust the angle near that locking one (which I want to do usually).
daniel