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Hi,
Just bought a 2nd hand C860 today. My very first task was trying to get it to sync with my laptop running XP. I have managed to install QTopia Desktop 1.7 on my laptop. And then I hooked up my pda onto my usb port and XP did not detect the device therefore unable to complete install drivers. I assume one of the problem could be due to a bad cable. However, I am not entirely sure about that coz the pda is still able to be charged by the suspicious cable. Is there anyway to ascertain that my IO-USB port on my pda is running ok with some sort of a loopback test? Should there be certain configuration I should look out for? Btw... I m running Opie 1.2 but not sure what release of OZ I am using. Also, how can I find out what version of OZ I am using? I really hope somebody could advise me on how to solve this problem. I have to say that its been a while since I had been on the linux environment and USB hardware details and workings are quite foreign to me. Though i have a fairly good grasp on networking. So any advice would really be appreciated. I thank you in advance for the help you can give me.
Regards,
Jeev
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Hi,
Just bought a 2nd hand C860 today. My very first task was trying to get it to sync with my laptop running XP. I have managed to install QTopia Desktop 1.7 on my laptop. And then I hooked up my pda onto my usb port and XP did not detect the device therefore unable to complete install drivers. I assume one of the problem could be due to a bad cable. However, I am not entirely sure about that coz the pda is still able to be charged by the suspicious cable. Is there anyway to ascertain that my IO-USB port on my pda is running ok with some sort of a loopback test? Should there be certain configuration I should look out for? Btw... I m running Opie 1.2 but not sure what release of OZ I am using. Also, how can I find out what version of OZ I am using? I really hope somebody could advise me on how to solve this problem. I have to say that its been a while since I had been on the linux environment and USB hardware details and workings are quite foreign to me. Though i have a fairly good grasp on networking. So any advice would really be appreciated. I thank you in advance for the help you can give me.
Regards,
Jeev
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Jeev, no matter what ROM you're running on the C860, you're going to need the specific USB driver for that Z installed on your XP machine ... which you can get off the Zaurus User Group downloads page, here: [a href=\"http://zaurususergroup.org/UpDownload+index-req-viewdownload-cid-6.phtml]http://zaurususergroup.org/UpDownload+inde...oad-cid-6.phtml[/url]
Second item down. (The third item was better, containing the entire install disk image, but Foxdie has pulled the page from his website.)
I'm not sure 1.7 will work with the C860 in any case. probably better to find the Qtopia 1.5 that shipped with the SL 5600, and use the c860 driver above.
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Thanks Ross,
Appreciate your reply. The problem I am having is trying to get the drivers installed. Here is whats happening. When I connect my Zaurus to my pc via USB for the 1st time, Windows does not prompt found new hardware. It just go undetected. As a result, windows is not able to install the drivers since it detects no new hardware. I did make windows to look for the hardware, but still no. I assume its either there is something wrong with the cable or something wrong with my C860. However, my cable is still able to help charge my pda when I connect it to my laptop. So I am not entirely sure if its the problem. Before I go out and get a new cable, I was wondering if someone could help advise me to check if USB has been configured properly on my C860. Is there a loopback test I can carry out on it? I bought this Z 2nd hand from someone off ebay so I was wondering the previous owner might have done something to mess up its USB configuration.
Also, you said QTopia desktop 1.7 may not work with C860. Could you please point me to where I can obtain 1.5. The link on zaurus user group is giving me a 404. Thanks again!
Jeev
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If you have a Linux computer to plug it in then "dmesg" will tell you if it was detected or not.
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If you have a Linux computer to plug it in then "dmesg" will tell you if it was detected or not.
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Thanks Mjolinor,
But I don't have a linux pc available to me at the moment. What do u think the problem could be?
Thanks again and really need all the help i can get.
Jeev
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Here is a pinned thread that lardman started for help with this:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11785 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11785)
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Here is a pinned thread that lardman started for help with this:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11785 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11785)
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Thanks Greg,
I have looked through this before but doesn't seem to address my problem. The bottom line is that XP is not detecting my Z as a hardware. I have also tried hooking my zaurus with my friend's Macintosh, and also nothing is detected. I could only point the problem to Z then. It could be
i) The USB interface is down, faulty or not properly configured. How can I test that my Z's usb is ok?
ii) The USN cable between Z and XP is not working. However, it still seem to be able to recharge my Z so I m not entirely sure if this is the case.
Once again... Many thanks and I m really desperate.
Jeev
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It´s possible that you missed the first detection and it is now installed as an unknown device. Check in your control panel for question marks.
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What's the output of lsmod? and of "uname -r" too? (both on the Zaurus) ifconfig will tell you whether the usb0 device is up on the Zaurus
If it's a 2.6.x kernel then do "modprobe g_ether", if it's 2.4.x then do "modprobe net_fd".
Windows driver for 2.6.x kernel requires linux.inf (search the forum) and for 2.4.x you need the usual c7x0 drivers.
Si
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What's the output of lsmod? and of "uname -r" too? (both on the Zaurus) ifconfig will tell you whether the usb0 device is up on the Zaurus
If it's a 2.6.x kernel then do "modprobe g_ether", if it's 2.4.x then do "modprobe net_fd".
Windows driver for 2.6.x kernel requires linux.inf (search the forum) and for 2.4.x you need the usual c7x0 drivers.
Si
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Thanks all,
I am finally able to get XP to detect the connected hardware. Basically modprobe g_ether did the trick. I was wondering why is this necessary whereas most installation instruction precluded that. I m not sure what modprobe does, as far as I am aware it involves loading modules? Can somebody please advise on what modprobe actually did? Yup, i get 2.6.16 from uname -r. Is that the kernel version of OZ i m using?
I have managed to install a new network connection to my Z from my XP. Yup, linux.inf did the trick! However, I am not able to ascertain that the TCP/IP stack is properly configured.
In my network configuration on Z, i.e Settings->Network (in Opei 1.2) I have
"Automatically bring up" checked, My IP Address is set to 192.168.0.202, My Subnet Mask is set to 255.255.255.0. I have set my Gateway to the IP address in my new LINUX USB/ RNDIS connection on XP... mine in particular is 192.168.128.200.
Of course this IP address 192.168.128.200 is also set on my XP connection and Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0
However when I try to ping 192.168.128.200 from my Z I get network unreachable. Does this mean something is wrong? My ifconfig shows usb0 to be configured.
I am trying to get QTopia or Intellisync installed and communicating with my Z. Somehow that doesn't seem to work. I was told earlier that QTopia 1.7 may not work with C860, so does anyone know where can I get ver 1.5. Could somebody also point me to a good resource on configuring Sync using Opie 1.2.
On Opie 1.2 Settings->Security->Sync. What should I select the parameter "Accept sync from network" to be?
I assume the "Select you sync software" would be the sofware I am using on my desktop to synch with my Z, no?
Its been a long weekend trying to figure this thing out. I guess I need a short break. Neglected my gf so gotta go make it up to her now. I heard thats what linux can do to u.
Anyway, i appreciate any help u guys can give. Once again thanks so much for your help.
Jeev
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Can somebody please advise on what modprobe actually did?
Modprobe added the g_ether module to the kernel.
Yup, i get 2.6.16 from uname -r. Is that the kernel version of OZ i m using?
yes
I was told earlier that QTopia 1.7 may not work with C860, so does anyone know where can I get ver 1.5.
You will find Qtopia Desktop version-1.5.4 in the 560v132s.zip at the bottom of this page:
http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate6.asp (http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate6.asp)
Greg
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In my network configuration on Z, i.e Settings->Network (in Opei 1.2) I have
"Automatically bring up" checked, My IP Address is set to 192.168.0.202, My Subnet Mask is set to 255.255.255.0. I have set my Gateway to the IP address in my new LINUX USB/ RNDIS connection on XP... mine in particular is 192.168.128.200.
Of course this IP address 192.168.128.200 is also set on my XP connection and Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0
However when I try to ping 192.168.128.200 from my Z I get network unreachable. Does this mean something is wrong? My ifconfig shows usb0 to be configured.
Only the last set of numbers should be different (due to the subnet mask), so use something like:
192.168.0.202 & 192.168.0.200
or
192.168.128.202 & 192.168.128.200
Si
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In my network configuration on Z, i.e Settings->Network (in Opei 1.2) I have
"Automatically bring up" checked, My IP Address is set to 192.168.0.202, My Subnet Mask is set to 255.255.255.0. I have set my Gateway to the IP address in my new LINUX USB/ RNDIS connection on XP... mine in particular is 192.168.128.200.
Of course this IP address 192.168.128.200 is also set on my XP connection and Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0
However when I try to ping 192.168.128.200 from my Z I get network unreachable. Does this mean something is wrong? My ifconfig shows usb0 to be configured.
Only the last set of numbers should be different (due to the subnet mask), so use something like:
192.168.0.202 & 192.168.0.200
or
192.168.128.202 & 192.168.128.200
Si
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Thanks a lot Si,
Yup, looks like I got the subnet details wrong. I m now able to ping XP from Z and Z from XP. However, still not able to get Qtopia Desktop or Intellisync to talk to Zaurus. They keep complaining that they cannot detect Z and prompt me to make sure it is on the docking station. Which is not the case for my Z since its a C860. The problem start first when I try to change the connection mode on Zaurus Manager from USB I/0 (default) to USB-TCP/IP (advanced). It complains that C860 is not on the docking station. However, managed to get around that by altering the parameters in the file C:\Program Files\Common Files\Sharp\SL\SSPCLINK2/ComSet.ini. So that stopped Zaurus Manager from complaining. However, when I try to sync with Z it gives an error
"An error occured while trying to connect to Zaurus. Please remove the Zaurus from the cradle or serial cable and reconnect. Wait approximately 30 seconds...... Please verify that the PC link application settings on the Zaurus match the Zaurus Manager settings on the PC".
Paying particular attention to the last sentence. The 2nd hand Z I bought comes with Opei 1.2 installed. This means of changing the settings via "PC link application settings" is non existance on Opei. As I see it Sync settings is editable on Opei through Settings->Security->Sync.
I have set "Accept sync from network" parameter to "Any".
And "Select your sync software" to IntelliSync.
But that didn't help. Also I have disable XP firewall on the XP - Z link. Do you know any instructions on how to get Opei 1.2 to work with IntelliSync or Opei 1.2? I have installed the Sharp Zaurus 2 package that came with Qtopia Desktop 1.5. I was told to use 1.5 because 1.7 may not work with C860. But somehow I m not having any luck with 1.5 as well.
I would appreciate any advice you can give. Thanks again.
Jeev
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The problem start first when I try to change the connection mode on Zaurus Manager from USB I/0 (default) to USB-TCP/IP (advanced). It complains that C860 is not on the docking station.
You need the older version of Qtopia Desktop/Intellisync which came with the 5500 2.xx Sharp images. Take a look here: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783)
Anyone know of a download link for the old Intellisync & Qtopia Desktop software (assuming it's not in the above thread)?
The newer versions (I recognise them by the presence of the connection manger which didn't used to exist afaicr, plus the option to do usb-io which isn't supported by the OZ machines) have a different database format for the contacts/calendar/etc.
Si
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Synch Software 1.43 (http://http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp)
The problem start first when I try to change the connection mode on Zaurus Manager from USB I/0 (default) to USB-TCP/IP (advanced). It complains that C860 is not on the docking station.
You need the older version of Qtopia Desktop/Intellisync which came with the 5500 2.xx Sharp images. Take a look here: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783)
Anyone know of a download link for the old Intellisync & Qtopia Desktop software (assuming it's not in the above thread)?
The newer versions (I recognise them by the presence of the connection manger which didn't used to exist afaicr, plus the option to do usb-io which isn't supported by the OZ machines) have a different database format for the contacts/calendar/etc.
Si
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Thanks a lot Si,
I am finally able to install a suitable Intellisync software for my XP. Yup, I had to go in search of a very old version of I.
For those who may encounter the same problem. The link to the Intellisync or QTopia Desktop software that may help solve this issue is
[a href=\"http://http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp]Sync Software 1.43[/url]
Using sync on the Intellisync, I get Z & XP to see each other do it always the crude way of doing this as explained in
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11783)
After like a gazillion prompts letting me know that an unauthorised sysetm is requesting access to this device, it arrives at "Preparing record for...". On most times... it just freezes there and on a better day it goes up to " "Synchronization in Progress. Please do no operate or remove the Zaurus from the Docking Station" and flashes that indefinitely.
Just wondering if there is a better way of making Intellisync use my preferred IP add on Z and also if you have any idea on why the sync process is hanging. I read somewhere in the forum that by selecting on Opie the settings for the sync software to be QTopia 1.7 would end all those prompts. However, when I tried that with my Intellisync the XP and Z do not communicate. The reason may be fairly obvious but I had an impression that this workaround works for Intellisync as well. Any idea?
However, the File Transfer feature does seem to operate ok... i.e. XP sees Z access directory but not tried transferring any files yet.
Once again. Many thanks for your help.
Jeev
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Two things occur to me:
Check the security settings are working correctly - there should be an open ftp server on port 4242.
I'm not sure whether the sync software requires that the Zaurus be on 192.168.129.201 ...
Si
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Si,
Taking up your recent advice, i decided to revisit my Z networking woes. However, I have encountered a new problem.
With reference to previous post on this thread, I was then able to get my XP to detect my Z on its USB port.
Now, even that fails! The RNDIS connection is not even established anymore. I checked under Computer Management on XP and the device is certainly invisible to XP. I did a modprobe g_ether, still nothing was detected.
Ifconfig -a shows usb0 is up. I m inclined to pin it down to a faulty usb cable.
However, the power supply through the cable seems ok as the orange light is still burning. Though I have noticed that it goes off after a while. Is that the sign of a faulty cable? Before I proceed to go out and by a new one, I was hoping if anyone could help me troubleshoot this just to confirm that the problem does not lie with my Z. Or perhaps XP is the problem? Anyway, of finding out?
Many thanks and I must say I really appreciate your patience in dealing my Z woes!
jeev
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Si,
Taking up your recent advice, i decided to revisit my Z networking woes. However, I have encountered a new problem.
With reference to previous post on this thread, I was then able to get my XP to detect my Z on its USB port.
Now, even that fails! The RNDIS connection is not even established anymore. I checked under Computer Management on XP and the device is certainly invisible to XP. I did a modprobe g_ether, still nothing was detected.
Ifconfig -a shows usb0 is up. I m inclined to pin it down to a faulty usb cable.
However, the power supply through the cable seems ok as the orange light is still burning. Though I have noticed that it goes off after a while. Is that the sign of a faulty cable? Before I proceed to go out and by a new one, I was hoping if anyone could help me troubleshoot this just to confirm that the problem does not lie with my Z. Or perhaps XP is the problem? Anyway, of finding out?
Many thanks and I must say I really appreciate your patience in dealing my Z woes!
jeev
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Just to add.. lsmod shows g_ether but on the used by column, it shows 0 if that should mean something. I have a feeling that its a windoze xp problem.
Thanks again guys!
Jeev
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Si,
Taking up your recent advice, i decided to revisit my Z networking woes. However, I have encountered a new problem.
With reference to previous post on this thread, I was then able to get my XP to detect my Z on its USB port.
Now, even that fails! The RNDIS connection is not even established anymore. I checked under Computer Management on XP and the device is certainly invisible to XP. I did a modprobe g_ether, still nothing was detected.
Ifconfig -a shows usb0 is up. I m inclined to pin it down to a faulty usb cable.
However, the power supply through the cable seems ok as the orange light is still burning. Though I have noticed that it goes off after a while. Is that the sign of a faulty cable? Before I proceed to go out and by a new one, I was hoping if anyone could help me troubleshoot this just to confirm that the problem does not lie with my Z. Or perhaps XP is the problem? Anyway, of finding out?
Many thanks and I must say I really appreciate your patience in dealing my Z woes!
jeev
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Just to add.. lsmod shows g_ether but on the used by column, it shows 0 if that should mean something. I have a feeling that its a windoze xp problem.
Thanks again guys!
Jeev
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Been up all nite trying to figure out whats wrong. Just a little further to add.
Doing an ifup usb0
and then a dmesg
I get
ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready
However, in Network Settings usb0 seems to be up. So does ifconfig -a
I am at the end of my wits here on trying to figure out what has changed since that has caused things to stop working.
I really hope somebody have an idea. Thanks again guys!
Jeev
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No idea I'm afraid, I don't have a charging usb cable.
It might be worth rebooting your Zaurus and re-modprobing the g_ether module to be sure that it's not on the Zaurus side, otherwise I don't know.
Sorry,
Si
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'fraid I gave up on getting xp to recognize my 860 with a 2.6 kernel a while ago. I feel your pain .
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Hmm, I didn't realise that this was a widespread thing...
Si
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Hmm, I didn't realise that this was a widespread thing...[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=142954\")
Sure, we had gone thru this before [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19474&hl=]over here[/url].
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PXA255 machines should work. (PXA270 machines may not. FYI see my posts in this thread: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20859&hl=) (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20859&hl=))
Regarding PXA255 machines, make sure you've installed the linux.inf driver so that your 2.6.x kernel version'd Zaurus can be recognised: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...169&#entry73169 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11320&st=30&p=73169&#entry73169)
Grog, your problem may be a routeing error: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...ndpost&p=138352 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19474&view=findpost&p=138352)
If anyone fancies reading all of these threads:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...71&#entry143171 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21644&st=0&p=143171&#entry143171)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19474&st=45 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19474&st=45)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...169&#entry73169 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11320&st=30&p=73169&#entry73169)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...20090&hl=pxa270 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20090&hl=pxa270)
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20859&hl= (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20859&hl=)
and starting a page on the wiki then please do so as these threads are getting longer and longer and more difficult to keep track of.
Si
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I've tried reflashing, rebooting and even update libusb, even with modprobe g_ether.. doesn't look like my XP is able to detect my Z anymore through usb. I've even tried on other computers and none of them detects my Z. Ironic, that its used to be able to and i was able to get a ndis connection installed. I guess it must just leave me with perhaps its hardware problem or cable problem?
Thanks again guys!
Jeev
No idea I'm afraid, I don't have a charging usb cable.
It might be worth rebooting your Zaurus and re-modprobing the g_ether module to be sure that it's not on the Zaurus side, otherwise I don't know.
Sorry,
Si
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I've not flashed the latest OZ image, let me do that and I'll see whether I can track it down using my C750 (also PXA255). It may be that the RNDIS mode for the PXA255 has also been broken. Eeergh!
Si
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Sorry it's taken a while.
I flashed the latest official GPE image last night on my C750 (version 3.5.4.1).
To cut the story short, I had no problems establishing a connection. I used the following steps (on a new computer, hence the delay).
1. Attach usb cable to Zaurus and plug into WinXP
2. modprobe g_ether on the Zaurus
3. Windows then detects device (ifconfig on the Zaurus is not showing the connection at this time as it's not been brought up yet)
4. Point Windows at the Linux.inf file, say yes to the installation dialog(s)
5. ifup usb0 on the Zaurus, note the IP address is 192.168.0.202
6. Alter connection settings on Windows XP to give the adaptor an address of 192.168.0.201
7. Ping works and telnet to port 22 tells me that dropbear is running there.
QED.
Si