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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: danboid on August 06, 2006, 11:01:54 am
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As we all know, we have amongst our ranks some of the worlds greatest technical minds, men of truly outstanding geekery. In fact, I think being a OESF member is an essential part of being 'The Worlds Greatest Geek' .
So who is the geek overlord here and why?
FIGHT!
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I think I'm very close to being a Geek... so that means I'm not a geek... and NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the "Worlds Greatest Geek"...
Danboid, so your not nominating yourself? :-)
Late
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NO WAY am I anywhere near being the greatest geek. My coding skills are minimal to non-existant and I know zip about electronics- these are two areas in which the Geek Godhead will obviously excel.
sash, RP, maslovsky and DaBlitz are all in the running for this, surely?
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openzaurus guys are extremely geeky as well as meanie.
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to be a true geek one must have mastered both hardware and software, have been dismantling things (and breaking and fixing them!) since before old enough to go to kindergarten, have more gadgets than you know what to do with, and be a major contributor to a software or hardware project.
perhaps most importantly, even if IT paid less well than some boring office admin job, the geek would still do the IT job - he/she is drawn to gadgets and technology and problem solving like moths to a flame!
I would say Anton Mas. fits the bill, the pdaXrom and some of the OZ team too.
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Remember guys... knowing technology inside and out doesn't make you a geek...
Knowing technology and looking like you know technology... thats a geek...
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I guess I count, Since I am the only person ever so far, (out of a few thousand) to take the Nerdquiz.com (I think?) test and get 100%.
I name all my computers after computers in Science Fiction, Have a total of 5 PDAs (3 functional) 7 Currently Active Desktops and Servers 9None of them actually doing anything useful) A collection of Docking crades wired up for devices I don;t even own, can quote most of the original matrix, Holy Grail (Ik den holi grailen) and about 40% of Red Dwarf. I'm a minor contributor to the PocketPenguin, AND source of the ruddy stupid name it has. I fervently argue in favour of Linux, Aros, Solaris, IRIX, RiscOS (3.50) and AmigaOS 3.9 whenever I see a Microsoft or Windows logo. I correct other geeks on their pronunciation of "Linux" and "Daemon" and am f1_U3N7 1N 1337.
I even MU*!!!!!!
And if someone wants to tell me where I can find some Amiga 9600-baud BBS software, I'll set one of those up and all. (Yes, it will be accessible over GSM by Zaurus.)
I'm 18, and own over 35 computers at last count. Most of them very Pre-2000, about a quarter Pre-1990.
I'm pretty snazzy at Acorn/BBCB Basic, if that even counts as a language. . . And I also know how to repair network faults on an SGI Indy, and have a parts source for same. I once built a 3D display system out of it, then realised that I didn't have a monitor that could handle a refresh rate higher than 85Hz.
And I use my Zaurus as a Music player for my favourite Albums: Stargate OMPS, Half-Life Soundtrack, Metal Gear - The music and Paul Simon's Graceland. And my primary desktop has a keycard login system.
I wear 2 watches, one of them displaying books, a pair of Otterbox Armor 2600's in beltclips, a Boom Headset, a rucksack, (with mobile phone holster) and carry Alan keys. (And of course, a Torx wrench of the right size for opening iPaqs.)
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Not all of us are guys
Though I'd not consider myself a huge geek I guess, though I do have a mass of computers of different architectures just for the hell of it
Kelly
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Cresho:
Good point! I forgot meanie- he be geek. iamasmith also deserves a stack of g points. hrw and mickeyl might feel left out if I don't mention them as they surely deserve some big geek respect.
Kelly:
Sorry for omitting the chance of a girl winning this but its not likely really is it- guys are just naturally better geeks than girls it seems. I can only think of two geek girls of note- Ada Lovelace and the gorgeous Jeri Ellsworth, neither of whom are OESF members. There are a few more girls on OESF but I don't think any of them are kernel hackers or anything too hardcore.
speculatrix:
You're pretty hardcore aren't you? Maybe you should lay your geek cards on the table and see how you fair (if you want)
Ferret-Simpson:
You undoubtably reek pure essence of geek but knowing BBC basic just doesn't cut it. A true geek would know AT LEAST C(++/#), some assembly and a few scripting languages. Maybe in a few years we'll run this comp again and you can take you desired position as the nerd supreme. I wish you the best!
As it stands we have 2 clear votes for Anton M. Take a bow Mr. Maslovsky! :-D
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speculatrix:
You're pretty hardcore aren't you? Maybe you should lay your geek cards on the table and see how you fair (if you want)
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er, my geek credentials? Built my first computer at the age of 13 (long time ago) literally from a PCB and chips (anyone remember the UK101 aka Ohio Superboard?). There was very little software for it, had to even write my own terminal emulator in machine code (I didn't have an assembler, I wrote everything in hex). Printer was an ASR33 teletype, for which I had to hack my motherboard to do the 110 baud serial speed, and write a simple printer driver. Built my own memory cards and sound cards. Owned a Jupiter Ace, so had to learn Forth, built sound card and memory cards for it.
Went to uni and discovered real computers, which got me into trouble - this before the Internet, and JaNET was in infancy. Played MUD at Essex over 1200 modem, which cost a fortune.
After graduation, worked in embedded micros and radio systems, programming them and helping develop hardware - used 4, 8, 16 & 32 bit embedded CPUs. Discovered IP, joined an internet consultancy before anyone ever heard of the internet (my boss said at the time "waste of time, it'll never catch on"!). Left and accidentally became senior sysadmin at one of UKs largest ISPs. Left, joined startup, it went bust, joined big ecommerce company, corporate takeover and went back to ISP, got made redundant, back to same ecommerce company now as temp IT.
Have a modest collection of antique computers, most working. most interesting/rarest thing is an original Sinclair calculator. Whole house is cat5e wired, streaming media on demand everywhere - chipped xbox + media center.
So, in my own small way I'm a geek.
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"small way"? I can almost hear the Ferret weeping into his specially bust-open, super rare Episode 1 tissue box. Those are some damn good geek credentials and as far as volunteers for the title are concerned then you're winning thus far, although Maslovsky remains the honourary king of geekdom.
C'mon people! Out-geek this man!
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errr, ummm does a 230lb powerlifter who programs in a few "obscure" languages count? Along with some electronics stuff dealing with PIC's? Hmmm pehaps not, or perhaps a little 68K motorola series assembly code (palm api)...oh wait thats something else.
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errr, ummm does a 230lb powerlifter who programs in a few "obscure" languages count? Along with some electronics stuff dealing with PIC's? Hmmm pehaps not, or perhaps a little 68K motorola series assembly code (palm api)...oh wait thats something else.
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ah, you wanna play the languages game!
basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
* yes, there really was a language called noddy, on an obscure UK machine called the memotech.
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p.s. The Ferret's doing pretty well, given he's half my age... so, sorry mate, but don't worry, at least you have aspirations!
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errr, ummm does a 230lb powerlifter who programs in a few "obscure" languages count? Along with some electronics stuff dealing with PIC's? Hmmm pehaps not, or perhaps a little 68K motorola series assembly code (palm api)...oh wait thats something else.
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ah, you wanna play the languages game!
basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
* yes, there really was a language called noddy, on an obscure UK machine called the memotech.
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jeez and I thought I was bored.....
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jeez and I thought I was bored.....
yeah, it's a very quiet morning... I'm very bored, copying files from live servers to an archive server.
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I think that the problem nowdays for ferret and people like myself (those young upstarts) is that it is no longer like "the good old days", now days someone who could be titled "the biggest nerd" is someone who sits at home playing computer games and can program in any microsoft .net language
its a real shame, i want to see the old days come back where things such as BBS was in style, people knew what the command line was and when talking to someone on the other side of the world over a PC there was a good chance that they knew somthing about computers
if i could have it my way you wolud have to pass a test to get a computing drivers licsence, when you bought that nice new quad core PC with 32GB of ram and a 20TB raid 6 array the first think they would ask you for is your S class computer licsence
but i guess i am a bit bitter when i get classed as knowing lots about computers because i can burn a CD without refering to notes and read a book during a windows XP install (thats not knowlage, thats bieng prepared)
i would say i am old and bitter but compared to most people here i am quite new, its a shame but bieng classed as a nerd dosent mean you know somthing these days
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I think that the problem nowdays for ferret and people like myself (those young upstarts) is that it is no longer like "the good old days", now days someone who could be titled "the biggest nerd" is someone who sits at home playing computer games and can program in any microsoft .net language
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in the old days - before the term geek even existed - people into computers and electronics...
- used a soldering iron routinely and built their own peripherals
- knew hexadecimal (did you know if you read your car speedo as a hex number the result is kilometers per hour)?
- had to know some assembler and knew their computers memory and I/O address map
- probably understood interrupts
- knew about optimising code for size, speed and memory usage
- typed program listings in from a magazine, and thus learned new ideas in the process
- would spend a lot more time thinking about their programs because it was quicker to debug them rather than run, crash, fix like they do now
- went to computer/radio/electronics clubs and met people
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- knew hexadecimal (did you know if you read your car speedo as a hex number the result is kilometers per hour)?
If I read it in decimal it is in km/h as well
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ah, you wanna play the languages game!
basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
* yes, there really was a language called noddy, on an obscure UK machine called the memotech.
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Ah, speculatrix, my dear - I do believe that I am in love - LOL! (and at my advanced age, too .... G)
Did you ever have the joy of patching paper tape?
If you want obscure programming languages - did you ever run across TUTOR? Used on the old University of Illinois PLATO community hardware? I still have my copies of Bruce Arne Sherwood's "The TUTOR Language" (aka the green book) & Ghesquiere, Davis & Thompsons' "Introduction to TUTOR" (aka the orange book).
Though it must be confessed that, as a "language", TUTOR makes the older versions of BASIC appear .... robust, shall we say. But someone hacked a great game of DogFight (probably in machine code, I would bet) that kept the PLATO plasma panal terminals hot on nights & weekends.
Those who feel the need to nominate themselves for king (or queen, let us not forget all the strong female rulers, boys) of geekdom, usually are underqualified (IMHO).
Now, when your *peers* acclaim you an alpha geek (better than king or queen, yes?) THEN you really ARE one.
And, no, I am an old geek, at one with the Tao and no longer really interested in trying to prove my chops in this new day & age. Hell, I remember before transistor radios & pocket calculators were new tech (G). WAY before Cyber Punk was even vaguely possible as a genus.
And I can still whip most people's butts with a 14" slide rule. Slip Sticks once were manditory equipment for the admiration of one's peers.
BTW - don't forget Stubear's contributions only a few short years ago, when you consider the list of aces.
They were wonderous daze, but time always keeps marching & the old both paves the road for and gives way to the new. But .... programming nanobots! Now THAT could be *really* neat ..... (G)
Play - the whole key is to simply play in child like joy .... and to do "the neatest thing to do".
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you guys ever heard of I.T.R.O.N. ?
Anybody mess with it before? if you have, then I am your most biggest fan ever!
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/31855.html (http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/31855.html)
The TRON Project is not new; in fact, it was poised to its mark more than a decade ago, in Japan's PC industry, but the U.S. government intervened. In 1989, Japanese electronics giant Matsushita introduced a BTRON PC, a machine that stunned the industry with its advanced capabilities. The BTRON PC had an 80286 Intel (Nasdaq: INTC) Latest News about Intel chip running at 8 MHz and a mere 2 MB of memory, but it could display moving video in color in a separate window. Also, it had a dual-booting system that could run both the BTRON OS and MS-DOS.
When the Japanese government announced it would install BTRON PC in Japanese schools, the U.S. government objected. It called the Japanese initiative "actual and potential market intervention" and threatened the move with sanctions. The Japanese, dependent on the U.S. export market, quickly dropped the plan. The U.S. government later withdrew its threat, but the damage had already been done. Nearly all Japanese companies involved in TRON-related activities had canceled their projects.
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you guys ever heard of I.T.R.O.N. ?
Anybody mess with it before? if you have, then I am your most biggest fan ever!
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Yeah, back around '00 I was involved in estimating what it would take to port Visibroker (CORBA) to ITRON. What I learned from that exposure is that ITRON isn't really an OS, it's a specification ... much like Posix. There are a variety of Japanese RTOS implementations that claim varying levels of ITRON compliance. We abandoned our efforts when we realized that just targeting one particular reference implementation didn't offer much assurance in the way of compatibility with other "flavors". I haven't really followed ITRON since, but I doubt too much has changed.
Coming back on topic, my slide rule skilz are probably no match for Miami Bob, but I can use one and in fact my [a href=\"http://chris.gillings.com/collect/slide/ucsr.html]cylindrical slide rule pencil holder[/url] sits on my desk right next to my BCD LED clock (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/clock.htm)
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Coming back on topic, my slide rule skilz are probably no match for Miami Bob, but I can use one
Hummm. Naw, you are probably a shark & would whup my arrogant old arse for me if I considered accepting a challange ... (G)
and in fact my cylindrical slide rule pencil holder (http://chris.gillings.com/collect/slide/ucsr.html) sits on my desk
Ohhh. NEAT! Any others available that you know of?
right next to my BCD LED clock (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/clock.htm)
Seen some BCD clocks. Good page, though. BTW - some of the images in the yellow part don't seem to want to load.
I love remembering those old daze but, honest you young folks, the toys are SO much better (faster, bigger, neater!) today. I wouldn't go back even if I could (except, perhaps, to visit - LOL).
What is frightening is that, in 40 years or so, YOU folks will look back at right NOW as "those good old days"! Try that one on for grins (G)! ("we" folks will be some where else again)
And remember: It's the quiet ones that you have'ta watch out for! LOL!
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errr, ummm does a 230lb powerlifter who programs in a few "obscure" languages count? Along with some electronics stuff dealing with PIC's? Hmmm pehaps not, or perhaps a little 68K motorola series assembly code (palm api)...oh wait thats something else.
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ah, you wanna play the languages game!
basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
* yes, there really was a language called noddy, on an obscure UK machine called the memotech.
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Hmm.. you wanna play this game? Ok (ripped from resume):
Assembler, C++, C, QBASIC, Visual Basic, OpenGL, XHTML, XML, JavaScript, Perl, PHP, ASP, SQL, Coldfusion, ASL, Lingo, Actionscript, VBScript, C#
That's just the tip of the iceberg and I have to admit, I haven't used ASM or C++ since my DARPA project two years ago. Also, what better geek than one who runs a bbs that attracts many, many other geeks
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Wow... BBS's... When I was little kid and my mom wouldn't pay for compuserve for me... BBS's were my gateway to the world... well to my local town... Stimpys Sandbox... Memories
Late
PS.. I just googled it... and it is STILL online... I might have to pull out the ole' Us Robotics (aka now 3COM) 56k v92 model a give them a ring...
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basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
Hmm.. you wanna play this game? Ok (ripped from resume):
Assembler, C++, C, QBASIC, Visual Basic, OpenGL, XHTML, XML, JavaScript, Perl, PHP, ASP, SQL, Coldfusion, ASL, Lingo, Actionscript, VBScript, C#
I think you're cheating slightly duplicating lots of variants of basic... XHTML is a superset of HTML is a specific instance of XML. But then, I kind of cheated with different variants of assembler
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Wow... BBS's... When I was little kid and my mom wouldn't pay for compuserve for me... BBS's were my gateway to the world... well to my local town... Stimpys Sandbox... Memories
Ya sorry. I'm used to BBS rather than forums.
basic, noddy*, logo, forth, pascal, fortran, C, C++, java, perl, PL/M51, PL/M86, assembler (NEC75000, 6502, z80, 8051, 80x86, 68k, PIC), shell scripts, javascript... probably others.
Hmm.. you wanna play this game? Ok (ripped from resume):
Assembler, C++, C, QBASIC, Visual Basic, OpenGL, XHTML, XML, JavaScript, Perl, PHP, ASP, SQL, Coldfusion, ASL, Lingo, Actionscript, VBScript, C#
I think you're cheating slightly duplicating lots of variants of basic... XHTML is a superset of HTML is a specific instance of XML. But then, I kind of cheated with different variants of assembler
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Ha yaa, I suppose it is cheating. Ok, the throne is yours
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PS.. I just googled it... and it is STILL online... I might have to pull out the ole' Us Robotics (aka now 3COM) 56k v92 model a give them a ring...
This reply is being posted via one of those USR/3COM 56k v92 modems & POTS, friend (G).
You should have tried BBSing at 300 - LOL. Makes 53.3k a joy.
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When I was old enough to use a computer and got my first computer it was a 2400.. but was back when "Promanade" was my first ISP... but 300... wow... I was prolly still craping in diapers then... :-)
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PS. For those he dont know "Promanade" was the ISP we now call AOL.. *gags*
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You should have tried BBSing at 300 - LOL. Makes 53.3k a joy.
I have. I also tried setting up a BBS on an Amstrad 6128 which had a massive 128K ram and 128K disk storage
In the UK we also had a non-standard 1200/75 baud "standard". I also racked up a fortune in phone bills playing the original Mud using my ZX Spectrum!
-- cheers
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In the UK we also had a non-standard 1200/75 baud "standard".[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138121\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Actually it is a standard. And ITU-T V.23 was not just used in the UK, but also in other european countries.
Regards,
Chris (now in his 22nd online year ).
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I also racked up a fortune in phone bills playing the original Mud using my ZX Spectrum!
-- cheers
LOL! I still have my little old Timex Sinclair 1000. A neat little machine. Good to learn asm on. But the "backpack" 1016 RAM module was a mighty PITA! One tiny wiggle & ZOT! No RAM; progam lost. LOL!
What wouldn't we have given for a FDD instead of that cassette tape program & data storage mechanism! And to think that it was high tech in it's day. Wonderful job of highly compact design, still.
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I too was a Spectrum Geek after helping my brother build a ZX81...
at one time I could quote you all the T-state timings for Z80 instructions because i used to write a lot of timing dependent code on that Spectrum underclocked 3.5Mhz Z80C and my bible was 'Programming the Z80' by Rodnay Zacks.... and the Microdrive I had then bears no resemblance to what I have now
-Andy
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and my bible was 'Programming the Z80' by Rodnay Zacks....
-Andy
Still have my copy of Joseph J Carr's "Z80 Users Manual" way up high on one of the book shelves .... right next to about a dozen or so books on the care & feeding of the ZX-81.
Wonder if that old hardware will still run? LOL!
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Hmmm. . . I have the BBC FDD interface, but no FDD or ROM. . .
How hard do you think it would be to create a 3.5" Interface ROM for a Beebeeceebee?
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I remmember hearing a lot of the things you guy's have talked about on here and I have seen them. I know somethings abput computers and other tech things but not enough to be considered a geek I am what i refer to to as a tech junkie because have a lot of tech in my room. Sadley thou i don't have my orginal computer a packard bell with windows 3.11
I am 26 but I have read a lot of things from the web and doing research for reports for school and college
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first time I use a computer, I worked as a summer interin in a business, in the IT dept (they called IT but it was the Finance dept), with a punch card phillips computer
I hardly remember anything. I was young and fascinated by computers.
You had to carefully blind-type in a keyboard integrated in a table (no screen whatsoever), which was part of the system. Then, insert a virgin card that would get puncted, and ejected, and then I had to review the data entered.
I think I was typing accounting info.
And since then, all kind of computers and programmable calculators (I have a small old HP calculator collection, some with red led screen, which look really nice).
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Looks like I don't know how to use a spell checker does it. i am horrible at spelling and my fingers a just huge to use a keyboard normally so i have to use the old 2 index finger approach
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Sadley thou i don't have my orginal computer a packard bell with windows 3.11
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Packard Bell brings back some bad memories. At work most of the machines sent out one Friday came back in the following Monday. Stupid problems like the com port not being plugged into the mother board, doftware not being loaded...
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has anyone tried running a Commodore C64 or Sinclair emulator on the Z and gotten anything like real-time speed?
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has anyone tried running a Commodore C64 or Sinclair emulator on the Z and gotten anything like real-time speed?
Fuse on C3100 gets up to 90%-92% real-time when playing Manic Miner. It's sad I can't even get past the 1st level on the Z, though I've completed the real thing on my Speccy (all those years ago )
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frodo ran "Rags to Riches" pretty well.... I never figured out ho to save, though
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Hmmm. . . I have the BBC FDD interface, but no FDD or ROM. . .
How hard do you think it would be to create a 3.5" Interface ROM for a Beebeeceebee?
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Ferret One question. Which chip is in your FDD controler? if its the 1770 I may have the code. If its the older 85xx then I think your stuck.
As it turns out my first PC was a BBC. I upgraded my Master 128 with the 80186 CoPro board. Two computers one case only Acorn could think that up
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As it turns out my first PC was a BBC. I upgraded my Master 128 with the 80186 CoPro board. Two computers one case only Acorn could think that up
The Amiga B2000 was similar, it had a "Bridgeboard" which contained a complete XT (8086 or was it 8088, can't remember) or AT (286).
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er, my geek credentials? Built my first computer at the age of 13 (long time ago) literally from a PCB and chips (anyone remember the UK101 aka Ohio Superboard?).
Hm, I think I **was** a geek in some decade last century. Now, am too old, have family and a good job and hold a PhD. So I do no longer qualify.
Here, my first and only homebrew "Zaurus" built around 1985 (I do no longer remember):
http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=...rer=QuantumSTEP (http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=Z80-Photos&referer=QuantumSTEP)
-- hns
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and my bible was 'Programming the Z80' by Rodnay Zacks....
-Andy
Still have my copy of Joseph J Carr's "Z80 Users Manual" way up high on one of the book shelves .... right next to about a dozen or so books on the care & feeding of the ZX-81.
Wonder if that old hardware will still run? LOL!
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I still have a copy of J. Hendrix "The Small-C Handbook"...
-- hns
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Hey cool! YOU made that!? I always wanted one of those!