OESF Portables Forum
General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: zi99y on August 15, 2006, 04:11:51 pm
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Greetings to all,
I'm curious as to what forum members are using on their Zaurii, as what I have heard so far there appears to be a big following for all different options.
If you dualboot just choose the most common distro you use
You could also mention any reasons for this preference if you wish.
(apologies if this poll has been done before - I did search and found not one)
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I started out using the tkcRom on my 5500 then migrated to Cacko which I have stayed with on the C760 and now C1K. I have the pdaXQTrom also installed mainly for Gnumeric and AbiWord.
I've been keeping my eye on OZ, especially Angstrom. I may just switch when that matures a bit more.
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Actually on my c860 I use the pdxrom, but on my c3000 I use the cacko beta. Some of use more than one ROM
Lareya
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Actually on my c860 I use the pdxrom, but on my c3000 I use the cacko beta. Some of use more than one ROM
Lareya
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Yeah me too. My C3100 uses Sharp distro cause everything works there! For my C3000 I am working on getting a multi boot working so I can boot multiple systems like Cacko, OZ, pdaXrom. The problem for the C3000 is that none of the distros really support it. Neither Cacko nor pdaXrom were build for the C3000, and OZ, although it officially supports the C3000, it does not "feel" like it. When I use OZ, I get the feeling that it was written for the ipaq and just whacked onto the C3000.
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Interesting that pdaxrom is not so popular so far - from what I have discovered, graphical apps such as emulators and games run better on it than they do in other distros and I kinda thought this would be the one for me.
Curious how much trouble dual booting would be to setup, I will look into it as I usually like to have plenty of freedom over these things - unless I find myself content with just one of course
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At various times I've used pdaXrom, oz/opie, oz/gpe, and cacko on my 3100. And somewhat embarrassingly I find myself using cacko on the 3100 right now. While all the roms have their merits, cacko seems to just work. And since I need to be productive, cacko seems to work best -- although I sometimes give up a bit in choice of apps and gui toolkits.
As an aside, one of the great things about the Nokia 770 is that a number of apps are and have been ported or written for the Hilden App Framework. Since Nokia is actively supporting the OS, a number of developers are porting their favorite apps. It is more than just compiling because often the user interface must be tweaked to match the Nokia environment. But the results can be amazing. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Sharp had continued to actively support the community.
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At various times I've used pdaXrom, oz/opie, oz/gpe, and cacko on my 3100. And somewhat embarrassingly I find myself using cacko on the 3100 right now. While all the roms have their merits, cacko seems to just work. And since I need to be productive, cacko seems to work best -- although I sometimes give up a bit in choice of apps and gui toolkits.
As an aside, one of the great things about the Nokia 770 is that a number of apps are and have been ported or written for the Hilden App Framework. Since Nokia is actively supporting the OS, a number of developers are porting their favorite apps. It is more than just compiling because often the user interface must be tweaked to match the Nokia environment. But the results can be amazing. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Sharp had continued to actively support the community.
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Maybe I just don't remember all that well, but I've had some sort of Zaurus since the 5500, and I don't remember Sharp ever really "supporting" the community, much less actively.
But again, maybe I just don't have a great memory.
R.
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I use the original Sharp rom because everything just works, and I need my PIM apps. I tried Cacko for a little while but it has too many problems and doesn't support my wireless card. I also have pdaxqtrom installed which has some very usefull apps, thanks to meanie.
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I KNOW there is more then 7 users of pdaXrom... even if you dont post just vote for record purposes...
Late
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I use the sharprom just because "everything works". and meanie did a good job with the pdaxqtrom. I'm telling you-try out the stock one and see if it fits your needs. Jump onto the other bandwagons as well and see if they fit your needs.
make sure before you do so, you know exactly what your doing. and if you brick your zaurus, do not worry, someone here will help. The zaurus is pretty punishable and can recover.
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Your memory is just fine....I was there pretty close to the beginning.
I use cacko as my primary ROM for the 3100 as it needs to just work with as little commandline intervention.
Maybe I just don't remember all that well, but I've had some sort of Zaurus since the 5500, and I don't remember Sharp ever really "supporting" the community, much less actively.Â
But again, maybe I just don't have a great memory.
R.
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if you brick your zaurus, do not worry, someone here will help. The zaurus is pretty punishable and can recover.
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ah that is just beautiful, gives me faith in the community I am about to enter thanks lads
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I use tKc on my two 5500s. It's has the best package manager I have tried (I don't connect to the internet, so I can't compare using feeds directly). The downside is that developement seems to have been abandoned.
I try OZ (both OPIE and GPE) from time to time when a new release comes out, but can't ever seem to get everything working right. I'm looking forward to the next release (although, I'll have to try and get another sd card as it sounds essential and I have worn one out and got a bad one on my last purchase). From the buzz around here, it seems like there's going to be bigger and better changes.
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I prety new in the zaurus world but I jumped around from Sharp and OZ (GPE and OPIE). I realy liked GPE but I felt some stuff needed to be a bit mor polished and I had the impresion that some apps where missing. Finaly I move to OZ/OPIE.
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Re InSearchoF's post:
There certainly are more than 7 pdaXrom users. I think though that the breakdown/slowdown in pdax development--beta4 arriving with no "stable" kernel 2.4 version set, and sashz going to work in brazil, sent a lot of people scampering off to check out OZ, or feeling that "stable" pdaX wasn't really in the works after all, back to cacko. The ratios seem to suggest this, and it is pretty much what I've done personally.
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Me using Cacko 1.23 full on Akita.
It does everything I need, wifi, Chinese input, book reading, etc
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I use Cacko Lite 1.23
I'm still a Linux newbie, and Cacko seems to be the "just works" distro besides Sharprom.
Be aware that the "Lite" version is missing some important modules, and you'll need to research Cacko full and lite to find out which modules are missing in lite.
Jon
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I use Cacko lite at the moment. I used the Cxx0 tkcROM from theprototype.org for ages, because it was more stable and polished than Cacko at the time. Cacko seems to have caught up though. (The tkcROM is still available from the download area, but the application feed that went with it seems to have vanished when theprototype.org went offline.)
I've looked at OZ/Opie 3.5.4.1 as well, but I hit too many usability snags early on, so I abandoned it. I may look at it again in another version or two. I like the fast kernel and the possibility of using big SD cards.
P.
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Which "usability snags" are you thinking of in particular?
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do I get to vote 2x? I have 1 on sharp or cacko and 1 on Oz generally. right now the 3100 is cacko/pdaxqt and the 6000 is sharp/tetsu;p, awaiting a 2.6 tosa release -- soon to come; I hope.
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Note also that, AFAIK, OpenBSD has been ported to Zaurus not FreeBSD
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stock rom+tetsu kernel 18h, plus a number of system "tweaks"
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pdaXrom here, for a week now, but I think I'll stay with it.
Used Cacko before, but I like pdaXrom more.
It is faster, easier to maintain, less (negative) surprises, much more software available for it (although not compiled yet, so you should know how to compile software).
Downside:
Not entirely optimized for PDA usage (e.g. font sizes, window sizes window handling etc is not as easy as with QTopia).
It behaves much more like a normal Linux PC than QTopia does.
For me, pdaXrom turned out to be much more stable and sturdy than Cacko. Much more works "out of the box", less tweaking needed for my extended needs for functionality.
However, I can kind of agree that for basic needs Cacko / Sharp may be the ROm of choice because "it just works" as someone said.
Yes, if just works, but only if you don' need more than it provides.
pdaXQTrom is a very nice approach, but for serious work I find it too slow. Too much of a compromise.
pdaXrom also just works, and for me it works much better. But I'm looking for a "mini laptop" rather than a "PDA". That's where pdaXrom is great.
daniel
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Which "usability snags" are you thinking of in particular?
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Hi,
Getting a bit off-topic, now, but never mind. As I remember, they included:
(1) No volume control for audio playback
(2) No taskbar applet to eject SD cards
(3) Bluetooth setup via GUI didn't work - interface was confusing, and changes didn't 'take', i.e. when I went back into it, settings hadn't been saved. I had to edit the files directly in the end. (Is this one of the things that is better in Opie 1.2.2?)
(4) Couldn't figure out how to size some apps (e.g. xmms) correctly for the C760 screen (I might have persisted and found a way with this one if it hadn't been for the other stuff).
(5) I also was put off by the lack of a clear statement about the SharpROM binary compatability issue. OZ's FAQ contradicts itself over this. Opie's web site too, although in a more subtle way. I had to wade through a lot of old posts on the forums that are no longer correct or relevant before I reached some understanding of the issue.
(6) At an application level, I often view large numbers of pictures from a digicam card. IMHO tkcGallery is still better than any of the other applications that I have tried (e.g. faster at displaying pictures and thumbnails, not forced to display filenames in thumbnail view), and so I am reluctant to drop it.
Issues (1) and (2) have already been discussed on the forums, and the developers are aware of them AFAIK. Issue (3) might be sorted in the latest version of Opie. My plan was to try again when Opie 1.2.2 makes it into OZ, give it a more thorough road-test and then give some feedback (although I did put a note about the OZ FAQ contradition on the discussion of that topic at [a href=\"http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Talk:FAQ]http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Talk:FAQ[/url] ). Since the subject came up now though....
Regards,
P.
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Which "usability snags" are you thinking of in particular?
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Hi,
Getting a bit off-topic, now, but never mind. As I remember, they included:
(1) No volume control for audio playback
(2) No taskbar applet to eject SD cards
(3) Bluetooth setup via GUI didn't work - interface was confusing, and changes didn't 'take', i.e. when I went back into it, settings hadn't been saved. I had to edit the files directly in the end. (Is this one of the things that is better in Opie 1.2.2?)
(4) Couldn't figure out how to size some apps (e.g. xmms) correctly for the C760 screen (I might have persisted and found a way with this one if it hadn't been for the other stuff).
(5) I also was put off by the lack of a clear statement about the SharpROM binary compatability issue. OZ's FAQ contradicts itself over this. Opie's web site too, although in a more subtle way. I had to wade through a lot of old posts on the forums that are no longer correct or relevant before I reached some understanding of the issue.
(6) At an application level, I often view large numbers of pictures from a digicam card. IMHO tkcGallery is still better than any of the other applications that I have tried (e.g. faster at displaying pictures and thumbnails, not forced to display filenames in thumbnail view), and so I am reluctant to drop it.
Issues (1) and (2) have already been discussed on the forums, and the developers are aware of them AFAIK. Issue (3) might be sorted in the latest version of Opie. My plan was to try again when Opie 1.2.2 makes it into OZ, give it a more thorough road-test and then give some feedback (although I did put a note about the OZ FAQ contradition on the discussion of that topic at [a href=\"http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Talk:FAQ]http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Talk:FAQ[/url] ). Since the subject came up now though....
Regards,
P.
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I use OPIE 1.2.1 at the present time. I have tried Sharp ROM (very briefly), Cacko/Crow, tkc ROM 2.0a, Sharp ROM 2.1.2, Cacko hybrid and anything else that supposedly works with the Collie. Sharp 3.1.3 kinda worked, but I was concerned about the amount of the OS that was in flash and RAM and the upward mobility of the distro. The best functioning distribution has been OZ with OPIE. GPE felt good, but lacked functionality I need as a professional. OPIE is sufficiently fast, can be installed on the the SD card and has potential longevity. The potential for using the Collie with Linux 2.6 kernel is really exciting considering the features it has.
Chris--
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I've been on Sharp for ages, but it gave me one suicide too many from the crud package management system. So, I've moved to OZ/GPE. Without Prism3 Drivers I'm now kinda stuck, and my biggest problems are that sound doesn't seem to work on mine (I can't even FIND Alsamixer!) there is no Taskbar Media handler (So I have to eject SD and CF from terminal) and finally and majorly that I can't get any software on it.
Why the hell am I moving to an OS that's alot more hassle for (for me) a limited gain? Begins with an S. Qtopia, has a 4 digit passcode which isn't even technically a logout. Just block the screen and keyboard till you input the right set of numbers. Opie isn't a BIG improvement, by any means.
GPE however, has a full passwordbased multi-user login screen. I can even put my picture on it. X will also (hopefully) allow me to play VNC on the desktop apps on my University terminal (Aeryn-Sun: Sun Ultra 1 150/64mb running openBSD 3.9), my personal internal network terminal (Shodan: P4 1.9, Slack 10.2), my phone (HTC Universal, Unnamed, and currently undelivered. . . I'm waiting!) and my TabletPC (On the condition that I win the lottery by the time I get to Uni)
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Note also that, AFAIK, OpenBSD has been ported to Zaurus not FreeBSD
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Yeah, had to vote 'Other' there.
-Andy
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maybe itr should be edited to just "BSD"?
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Voted pdaxrom as it seems best bet for me! Loving it all so far
- can't seem to edit the poll to change it, think it needs a mod, but I think we all know what it means..