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Everything Else => General Support and Discussion => Zaurus General Forums => Archived Forums => Software => Topic started by: nowhereman on October 17, 2006, 03:28:07 am
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@evreyone
does anybody knows if the development of KoPi is still running?
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...ckage_id=112604 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104103&package_id=112604)]http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.p...ckage_id=112604
There is no movement since 2005-10-29
It would be sad if my assumption is right.
The same question about qpegps
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/)]http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps
nothing since 2006-02-02
Who knows it?
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I think that it followed a way which other qtopia related apps took...
yet another non-maintained stuff
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These are the things that make me miss a commercial (non-linux, non-user-maintained, non-test-and-error,...) ROM/Distro for non-developers, for just USERS, that want to use and hence, need a gadget that has everything, and that it just works. That simple thing, can't be achieved today just with a Windows PDA.
A PIM (25% of KO/PI is by far, enough) syncable with oultook without headaches, a MP3 player (not necessary video player), A fast PDF/.DOC Viewer capable of show 100% adobe files, and a Web browser able to surf more than the 60% of websites, and an app that when double-clicked, shows a list of available wifi-networks, and connects to the one that you double-click... ¿is this that difficult?
My former nokia 770 lacked the "serious", or the "all but internet" part. The Zaurus SL-C3200 is somewhat in the middle of nothing. You can't just sit in a Cafe and search for available nets and connect to the best received with just one click, nor open whatever PDF (handwritten ones, in my case), nor open whichever XLS file, nor check my on-line banking needs, because their websites aren't supported by my web surfing app (yes, this is the way... make compatible the less important thing, that is, the web surfer, not the site).
The Calendar can't wake you up, and if you want a good alarm, install KO/PI (the pure example of how something so-configurable, can be just useless because of this main reason).
I once tried OZ (last month or so), Opie flavour, and it didn't even suspend when I closed the 3200, (edit what file? that is not usability) or I was almost able to unmount the internal hard drive (what for?). The music player didn't react to my orders when I tried to lower the volume. Not to metion the user interface of the player...
Bugtrackers? Cacko and OZ are plenty of tracked bugs. I follow cacko mostly, and there's no movement at all. With my previous comments about OZ, it looks like nobody moves in the user interface area.
The only compilation I want to see are my elasticity theory and fluid mechanics books. And the only developing I want to do is the one related to my work, not something that I need to press to check my e-mail.
Does someone see the light at the end of the tunnel? Please, share it here, so I could improve my user experience with my zaurus.
Thanks!.
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The same question about qpegps
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/)]http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps
nothing since 2006-02-02
Currently, I'm working on some modifications on qpeGPS (mainly support to tiled maps). I think that in 4-6 weeks I will release a new version.
If you have a new feature or bug to be corrected post it, and I will look if I can solve it.
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KO/PI: Well, someone could just grab the sources and continue the development.
I would do so immediately, if I were a good enough developer.
Zautrix was working on Outlook sync heavily, and he even said it was in a state where he tested it already. Should be out at beginning of 2006.
This would be a killer application!
However, the current sources on sourceforge (2.2.7) don't contain that code yet...
Hrw:
This project is not only QTopia-related. It is QT based and thus runs on many platforms, also without QTopia. I run it successfully (and very nicely, stable and fast BTW, even faster than on QTopia) on a pdaXrom 1.1.0beta3 setup.
If I were not boud to Outlook at work, I would also use it for work on Windows PCs.
We'll see. Maybe I'll download the sources of 2.2.7 some day and at least make some smaller optimizations.
That is also the way I began to develop on Mindmap/LX for the old HP 200LX. And in the end I had developed about half of the entire application. :-)
Modifying is always much easier than writing from scratch. At least for me, a not very experienced hobby programmer.
daniel
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daniel3000: I know that kdepimpi is not only for Qtopia. But it followed way of (too many) Qtopia apps.
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Yes, you are right.
QTopia is too special to be supported by a broad range of developers. And many opensource projects are short-lived, because the developer abandons it once he loses interest or time.
And such special projects are most probably NOT continued by anyone else.
daniel
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Yes, you are right.
QTopia is too special to be supported by a broad range of developers. And many opensource projects are short-lived, because the developer abandons it once he loses interest or time.
And such special projects are most probably NOT continued by anyone else.
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I guess zautrix should have thought of that before pissing off a lot of upstream projects by forking them and sticking /PI behind the name.
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I wish I could code, because I would love to contribute to Zautrix's work. Unfortunately, I can't. I had offered to help with the documentation since I'm a technical writer,but life happened and I have not had much time tor anything. (What is it about buying a house that sucks all available time away?)
I love my Zaurus 6k, but it is discouraging to see so many great apps abandoned.
Ceffyl
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These are the things that make me miss a commercial (non-linux, non-user-maintained, non-test-and-error,...) ROM/Distro for non-developers, for just USERS, that want to use and hence, need a gadget that has everything, and that it just works. That simple thing, can't be achieved today just with a Windows PDA.
A PIM (25% of KO/PI is by far, enough) syncable with oultook without headaches, a MP3 player (not necessary video player), A fast PDF/.DOC Viewer capable of show 100% adobe files, and a Web browser able to surf more than the 60% of websites, and an app that when double-clicked, shows a list of available wifi-networks, and connects to the one that you double-click... ¿is this that difficult?
My former nokia 770 lacked the "serious", or the "all but internet" part. The Zaurus SL-C3200 is somewhat in the middle of nothing. You can't just sit in a Cafe and search for available nets and connect to the best received with just one click, nor open whatever PDF (handwritten ones, in my case), nor open whichever XLS file, nor check my on-line banking needs, because their websites aren't supported by my web surfing app (yes, this is the way... make compatible the less important thing, that is, the web surfer, not the site).
The Calendar can't wake you up, and if you want a good alarm, install KO/PI (the pure example of how something so-configurable, can be just useless because of this main reason).
I once tried OZ (last month or so), Opie flavour, and it didn't even suspend when I closed the 3200, (edit what file? that is not usability) or I was almost able to unmount the internal hard drive (what for?). The music player didn't react to my orders when I tried to lower the volume. Not to metion the user interface of the player...
Bugtrackers? Cacko and OZ are plenty of tracked bugs. I follow cacko mostly, and there's no movement at all. With my previous comments about OZ, it looks like nobody moves in the user interface area.
The only compilation I want to see are my elasticity theory and fluid mechanics books. And the only developing I want to do is the one related to my work, not something that I need to press to check my e-mail.
Does someone see the light at the end of the tunnel? Please, share it here, so I could improve my user experience with my zaurus.
Thanks!.
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I used to feel the same way about my SL-5500 3 years back. This was before Zautrix came out with the PI stuff and pdaXrom was barely coming out. I shelved the linux pda for about a year and a half and when I came back I noticed a whole facelift for the sharp line. Development for some programs continued however I noticed better ones came out too. I have a feeling this will happen again within a year or two. Shoot with pdaXrom and OpenZaurus it looks like depending on development with small programs will be null do to being able to compile well known programs like gimp and abiword.
What's wrong with the current KO/PI? Besides having a direct sync with outlook... IMHO Outlook sucks with task management and calendar interfaces. That's why I don't use it anymore. I guess it would be nice to use an exchange plugin with the winbloze version of KO/PI.
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The same question about qpegps
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/)]http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps
nothing since 2006-02-02
Currently, I'm working on some modifications on qpeGPS (mainly support to tiled maps). I think that in 4-6 weeks I will release a new version.
If you have a new feature or bug to be corrected post it, and I will look if I can solve it.
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ztep: are you also looking at migrating the client interface to the new 2.3x gpsd? I was looking into that and almost had it working, but I am not very skilled at pulling appart c++ code yet. The one problem I ran into was that the date format seems to have changed so the client could not recieve the "correct" time to verify the link. I could not seem to find the part of the code that actually parsed the date string to fix it tho
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Kopi stores calender info in ics files. You can sync with local files. There should be some tool for syncing outlook with ics data -- or use the desktop versions of kopi or sunbird or lightning 4 thunderbird or ... With a few exception it works well I'd say.
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In my opinion development gets a shot in the arm with every new Zaurus. We haven't seen a new zaurus for a while so this lull is kind of expected.
Zautrix did a fine job of giving the community a very functional set of applications even if they were derived from other projects (kde, opie mail....). I wish I had the talent to pickup the work that zautrix and anton (cacko rom) left off or help the OZ team with their continued efforts.
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I assumed that Kopi is still alive and well as part of kde's kontact. Still my most useful and favorite zaurus application.
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I hope zautrix is still working on the KOPI projects, but right now, there don't appear to be many (if any) bugs in these products - they are a few things I would like to see the products also do (including Outlook syncing), but as they stand they work fine. No new model of Z has broken the apps, so a new version is not needed - I hope people aren't assuming a developer has stopped working on a product simply because they've produced a very stable and feature rish app that does not need constant updates...
Having said that, zautrix has been very quiet of late.
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I hope zautrix is still working on the KOPI projects,
Well, while it's true that no new Z has broken the existing apps, the development of OZ/GPE means that now we have a very good platform that evidently Ko/Pi doesn't compile to... and while I respect Qtopia, I feel like GPE is the future of OZ innovation in several ways. I'd love to run OZ/GPE, but all my data is in Ko/Pi format and I've come to rely on the app a bit.
So it could sure use some maintenance to build for GPE!
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actually kopi and kapi data files can be used with other apps or imported into other standard linux pim apps. Since gpe is X11, it might not be too hard to migrate your data to new pim software for GPE.
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actually kopi and kapi data files can be used with other apps or imported into other standard linux pim apps. Since gpe is X11, it might not be too hard to migrate your data to new pim software for GPE.
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True, blue, but the nice thing about ko/pi was that it really was (for the most part) platform independent and could fairly seamlessly sync between them--so keeping, say, addressbook data sorted between the zaurus, my desktop, and (most importantly) my wife's Windows computer was easy and "just worked", a luxury I didn't see in the GPE apps.
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actually kopi and kapi data files can be used with other apps or imported into other standard linux pim apps. Since gpe is X11, it might not be too hard to migrate your data to new pim software for GPE.
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True, blue, but the nice thing about ko/pi was that it really was (for the most part) platform independent and could fairly seamlessly sync between them--so keeping, say, addressbook data sorted between the zaurus, my desktop, and (most importantly) my wife's Windows computer was easy and "just worked", a luxury I didn't see in the GPE apps.
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I love Ko/Pi, Ka/Pi, PwM/Pi, ....
Just changed this one a bit :
True, blue, but the nice thing about ko/pi [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']is[/span] that it really [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']is[/span] (for the most part) platform independent and [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']can[/span] fairly seamlessly sync between them--so keeping, say, addressbook data sorted between the zaurus, my desktop, and (most importantly) my wife's Windows computer was [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\'](is)[/span] easy and "just worked"[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']("just works")[/span], a luxury I didn't see in the GPE apps.
Ko/Pi still is the best ! I'll keep on using it on my desktop, my Z and my Win2K pc at work.
Chero.
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I agree they are great!
However, at work I am forced to use Outlock, so it would be nice if there was a way to sync.
What about this Outlook<->.ics sync? Does anyone know a solution? This would indeed be a good beginning!
daniel
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I agree they are great!
However, at work I am forced to use Outlock, so it would be nice if there was a way to sync.
What about this Outlook<->.ics sync? Does anyone know a solution? This would indeed be a good beginning!
daniel
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atm i'm trying to sync a windows mobile phone <-> kopi. I'm still suffering with the time zone, but this should be solvable.
Don't know if I can make the Z tell it's an activesync partner to a desktop pc. (I managed to do it to the phone).
The code of the .ics plugin I use seems quite readable. If someone has the time to add "todo" and "contacts" support for it, you're welcome. I have other things to finish before I can start this. For now it only has calendar support.
There also exists a python-plugin and some python-.ics modules. So if someone is an experienced python writer, maybe that might be the way to go.
In fact, you're asking your question too soon. I wanted to figure out the possibility of a connection to activesync first.
Multisync (opensync) takes care of the syncing itself, the plugins are there to talk to the specific apps (kaddressbook, evolution, ...). Since the .ics not a binary (db) format, it shouldn't be too hard to change the plugin we need.
Comments are welcome,
Chero.
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actually kopi and kapi data files can be used with other apps or imported into other standard linux pim apps. Since gpe is X11, it might not be too hard to migrate your data to new pim software for GPE.
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i have just moved from TheSharp Rom (Trisift Zaurus 3200) To OZ ... 3.4.1?
Can You Tell Me Where The ics Fils can Be Found (I have KOpi 2.27)
also
Whats The Limit on datafile size I am Beginning To Think Kopi Throws Away Old Data As I Have Enterys From Early 2006 that have Titles in Them But No Reemarks & i would try to look in the raw data ??
thanks for any info
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I appreciate the enthusiasm, Chero, and yes, I'm still using Ko/Pi and Oz/Opie. But I do believe that the future of OZ is in GPE, and Ko/Pi doesn't work there, so unless someone grabs the maintenance of it and figures out how to build the silly thing, its future is certainly limited, and having no active maintainer currently makes it an abandoned project--and that's never a good thing.
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well, in pdaXrom it works quite beautifully. Would need some optimizations with window sizes etc., but it is very usable.
So it should also work in OZ/GPE, shouldn't it?
daniel
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I believe the pdaX-ipk of kdepimpi 2.2.7 could work in oz/gpe.
In the days before there was a qt3-compatible-zgcc image for compiling apps natively in pdaX, I used to compile some qt3-apps using a debian chroot (pocketworkstation) and they worked fine in native pdaX.
This makes me think qt3-apps only use qt3-libs and no other libs (or almost none).
If OZ/GPE has qt3-libs, you might want to try the pdaX-ipk. It might just work, then again, it might not .... . I'm only guessing.
Don't blame me if it breaks your installation, but if I were you, I'd at least try.
About the syncing : all went well for 2 weeks, then I ran into troubles. This means some work has to be done. (and it won't be right now - too busy these days)
Chero.
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I appreciate the enthusiasm, Chero, and yes, I'm still using Ko/Pi and Oz/Opie. But I do believe that the future of OZ is in GPE, and Ko/Pi doesn't work there, so unless someone grabs the maintenance of it and figures out how to build the silly thing, its future is certainly limited, and having no active maintainer currently makes it an abandoned project--and that's never a good thing.
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Actually, HRW got started on that:
[a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371]OpenEmbedded bug # 371[/url]
It does compile, now somebody just needs to sit down and figure out the packaging issues.
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The same question about qpegps
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/)]http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps
nothing since 2006-02-02
Currently, I'm working on some modifications on qpeGPS (mainly support to tiled maps). I think that in 4-6 weeks I will release a new version.
If you have a new feature or bug to be corrected post it, and I will look if I can solve it.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=144160\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Interestingly I have just been working on updating Qpegps to use gpsd 2.3X, and just about have something ready for testing.
With the new features in later gpsd versions it will be possible to add new information to that produced by qpegps. At the moment I am worrying about getting the basic software working - my current test is directly linking with the gpsd library, avoiding the need to start and stop gpsd all the time.
I haven't seen anybody else comment about having tried this recently - am I the only one?
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The same question about qpegps
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps/)]http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpegps
nothing since 2006-02-02
Currently, I'm working on some modifications on qpeGPS (mainly support to tiled maps). I think that in 4-6 weeks I will release a new version.
If you have a new feature or bug to be corrected post it, and I will look if I can solve it.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=144160\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Interestingly I have just been working on updating Qpegps to use gpsd 2.3X, and just about have something ready for testing.
With the new features in later gpsd versions it will be possible to add new information to that produced by qpegps. At the moment I am worrying about getting the basic software working - my current test is directly linking with the gpsd library, avoiding the need to start and stop gpsd all the time.
I haven't seen anybody else comment about having tried this recently - am I the only one?
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Wow, how cool. I just managed to get the current CVS version to build for OpenZaurus and It kind of works. It looks like one of the previous maintainers tried to switch everything to raw mode for compatibility I guess.
The client seems to be working, but the download button crashes and the map coordinates are off..
I think We should maybe start a new topic for this
I would definitely like to try your version.
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I appreciate the enthusiasm, Chero, and yes, I'm still using Ko/Pi and Oz/Opie. But I do believe that the future of OZ is in GPE, and Ko/Pi doesn't work there, so unless someone grabs the maintenance of it and figures out how to build the silly thing, its future is certainly limited, and having no active maintainer currently makes it an abandoned project--and that's never a good thing.
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Actually, HRW got started on that:
[a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371]OpenEmbedded bug # 371[/url]
It does compile, now somebody just needs to sit down and figure out the packaging issues.
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I've used hrw's kopi for x11 bb file and gotten the files to compile without error however, I've not been able to get them to work. They max out the cpu and don't throw any errors. It is beyond my meager skills.
It'd be great if someone could get kopi to work on GPE/OZ
Cheers
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Too bad Zautrix isn't still active with kdepim, I've been using google calendar and am able to sync with GroupWise and then syncing the ics file manually from google onto my Z. Unfortunately, it's not a 2-way sync. There is an API that google has that could be used to perform a two way sync with Google calendar http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/calendar.html (http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/calendar.html)
It'd be a nice enhancement and finally a way to sync for those Outlook users.
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Too bad Zautrix isn't still active with kdepim, I've been using google calendar and am able to sync with GroupWise and then syncing the ics file manually from google onto my Z. Unfortunately, it's not a 2-way sync. There is an API that google has that could be used to perform a two way sync with Google calendar http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/calendar.html (http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/calendar.html)
It'd be a nice enhancement and finally a way to sync for those Outlook users.
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I have been using a solution involving a web based calendar app called thyme [a href=\"http://www.extrosoft.com/]http://www.extrosoft.com/[/url]
This software runs on my server and allows 2 way sync with my Zaurus .ics files and with my OS X apps (Sunbird works well) but OS X Calendar only does 1 way sync.
I haven't tested it with outlook and I haven't got a contacts solution (yet) but the beauty of this is that thyme runs on any web server and you don't have to subscribe to google and allow them to track your every meeting!
I would be happy to provide a free account on my server to anyone who wants to debug this a little. Also happy to put together a howto with some more details.
Thyme is proprietary software but it is pretty inexpensive and I already have a site licence at htttp://greenant.net/thyme
The only problem I have currently is a time shift due to timezone settings which I am trying to fix.