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Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: mars on November 07, 2006, 12:33:08 pm
Haven't seen this posted yet.

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html)

Says it will be available in 1Q 2007 for about USD350 and that it will be compatible with oz, angstrom and familiar packages.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on November 07, 2006, 01:27:17 pm
2.8" display with VGA!! that's incredible!

"One goal is give back to people creating this revolution. If you're going to hack on it, I'll give you a discount -- or something cool."

I like that idea, write an application for it and get a bonus.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: adf on November 07, 2006, 01:40:13 pm
this seems like something weve all been waiting for.  Maybe fic will be the successor to sharp ...?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: Cresho on November 07, 2006, 02:08:40 pm
ill most likely buy something like this to use in conjunction with the zaurus.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: CoreDump on November 07, 2006, 02:10:39 pm
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this seems like something weve all been waiting for.  Maybe fic will be the successor to sharp ...?
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So that has been mickeys secret  
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on November 07, 2006, 03:10:41 pm
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and that it will be compatible with oz, angstrom and familiar packages.
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No, it will use the same package *format*, the packages itself won't be compatible. You can however use OE to build packages for the neo1973.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: scholbert on November 07, 2006, 06:08:18 pm
It will be a real nice gadget anyway!

The company has already build some linux based products.
Hopefully there 's more to come!!!
I really enjoyed the slideshow on linuxdevices.com

If the give price will persist, it is half the price of trolltechs Greenphone.
It should be possible to connect it to zaurus at least via USB. Perhaps some kind of USB network connection could be established easily.

So let's wait and see   .

Greets,

scholbert
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: adf on November 08, 2006, 01:19:09 am
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and that it will be compatible with oz, angstrom and familiar packages.
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No, it will use the same package *format*, the packages itself won't be compatible. You can however use OE to build packages for the neo1973.
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But that in itself is a step in the right direction, and a real coup for the OE team- congrats!
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on November 08, 2006, 04:34:56 am
add a gsm/gprs adaptor or a 3G adaptor when available and it makes the flybook seem oversized and very overpriced!
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: kahm on November 08, 2006, 01:36:50 pm
128mb ram and 640x480 touchscreen? On an Open, Linux-based cellphone? Costs under $500 Canadian?

I think I'm in love!

They've done the smart thing and seperated out the closed modules and given them open, standard interfaces. (AT command set for the Radio, serial for the GPS)

So sorry, Treo650 - you're no longer required. I will be picking one of these up as soon as possible.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: markpmc on November 08, 2006, 02:53:50 pm
I may not need the trolltech greenphone now......
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: CoreDump on November 08, 2006, 02:59:09 pm
What more do you want than an affordable, hackable and open phone running our favorite OS?

Rumor has it that its OpenEmbedded support will be quite good from the get-go
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on November 08, 2006, 04:09:10 pm
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Rumor has it that its OpenEmbedded support will be quite good from the get-go
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That isn't a rumour anymore  Holger and I had a look into their svn yesterday  
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: desertrat on November 08, 2006, 09:12:52 pm
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What more do you want than an affordable, hackable and open phone running our favorite OS?
How about a keypad? I don't buy this:

"Typical of Chinese phone designs, the Neo1973 sports a touchscreen, rather than a keypad"

as I don't recall seeing any Chinese phone designs which solely uses a touchscreen.

I'll wait for the BT/Wifi/3G version.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: lardman on November 09, 2006, 06:40:45 am
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I'll wait for the BT/Wifi/3G version.

Same here, I need BT for handsfree, etc.

WiFi might be nice too, automatic GSM/voip switching.

Looks cool


Si
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on November 09, 2006, 06:46:02 am
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I'll wait for the BT/Wifi/3G version.

Same here, I need BT for handsfree, etc.
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The initial version will have quadband gsm, bluetooth and GPRS.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: lardman on November 09, 2006, 07:03:30 am
See here:

http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php...-its-a-phone-2/ (http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2006/11/08/congratulations-madam-its-a-phone-2/)


Si
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on November 09, 2006, 07:45:16 am
since not UMTS, will it support HSCD and EDGE over GSM, if not now, maybe later?

will this product's tools and programming toolkit be reasonably well documented, or will that be a community effort and permanent To-Do?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: Mickeyl on November 20, 2006, 08:31:33 pm
Well, this is much more an open source project than anything else, _however_ FIC / OpenMoko is very commited to that platform and will stay around funding one or the other activity. Think Maemo, but even more open
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on November 21, 2006, 04:10:45 am
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html#p...y_specification (http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html#preliminary_specification) for more details on the hardware.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on November 21, 2006, 06:19:18 am
so, how do we form an orderly queue to buy them?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on November 21, 2006, 06:45:51 am
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so, how do we form an orderly queue to buy them?
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Latest rumours indicate that you buy it from the FIC webshop. See the community mailinglist for more details
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: kahm on November 23, 2006, 01:10:51 pm
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I'll wait for the BT/Wifi/3G version.

Same here, I need BT for handsfree, etc.
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The initial version will have quadband gsm, bluetooth and GPRS.
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I haven't been able to find any info that says it has Bluetooth. Are you sure about that?

From the website:
Hardware

    * 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 (mm)
    * 2.8" VGA (480x640) TFT Screen
    * Samsung s3c2410 SoC
    * Global Locate AGPS chip
    * Ti GPRS (2.5G not EDGE)
    * Unpowered USB 1.1
    * Touchscreen
    * micro-sd slot
    * 2.5mm audio jack
    * 2 buttons
    * 1200 mAh battery (charged over USB)
    * 128 MB SDRAM
    * 64 MB NAND Flash
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: kurochka on December 08, 2006, 12:05:14 pm
So, USB is a host?  There is conflicting info about Bluetooth.  Is it there?

I think I am interested too.  What is the latest info about the release date.  I am in the market for a smartphone and I think this could be it.

Will it be user (not just developer) ready at launch?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on December 09, 2006, 05:08:23 pm
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so, how do we form an orderly queue to buy them?
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Latest rumours indicate that you buy it from the FIC webshop. See the community mailinglist for more details
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anything more substantial than this yet?

I did join the mailing lists but there was so much chatter on it I dropped out, I just couldn't keep up!
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on December 10, 2006, 11:37:05 am
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So, USB is a host?  There is conflicting info about Bluetooth.  Is it there?
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Is [a href=\"http://openmoko.com]http://openmoko.com[/url] that hard to open in your browser?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: Mickeyl on December 10, 2006, 12:45:44 pm
USB is gadget + unpowered host.

Bluetooth looks good, but I can't say for sure atm.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: gr8ful on January 11, 2007, 10:10:22 am
Any word on when, where, or how we can place our order for this phone?  I've seen conflicting information, one said it would be available for order in Jan 2007 and another said February.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on January 11, 2007, 10:45:38 am
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Any word on when, where, or how we can place our order for this phone?  I've seen conflicting information, one said it would be available for order in Jan 2007 and another said February.
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Straight from the developer IRC channel:

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OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | Neo1973 ETA for early access: February 2007 | Wifi: No, BT: Yes | Direct-Sale World Wide | No Preorders yet
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: gr8ful on January 11, 2007, 12:01:33 pm
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Any word on when, where, or how we can place our order for this phone?  I've seen conflicting information, one said it would be available for order in Jan 2007 and another said February.
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Straight from the developer IRC channel:

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OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | Neo1973 ETA for early access: February 2007 | Wifi: No, BT: Yes | Direct-Sale World Wide | No Preorders yet[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=150830\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Thanks koen,

I'm definitely getting in line for this one.  The iPhone is intriguing and I'll definitely give it a look, but the truly open nature of this phone makes it hard to pass up.  And I don't have to sign a 2 year agreement to get it.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: kahm on January 11, 2007, 02:33:30 pm
Confirmed bluetooth makes this one much more interesting now...
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: gr8ful on February 06, 2007, 10:35:09 am
It appears as though we will have a greater choice of phone hardware platforms than the neo1973 as OpenMoko is ported to other phones.  LugRadio has a very good interview with Mickey Lauer about the OpenMoko project (Season 4, Episode 1).

http://www.lugradio.org/ (http://www.lugradio.org/)

Mickey mentions that he expects OpenMoko to be up and running on all Motorola Linux smartphones shortly after the launch/release of OpenMoko.  He believes it will then soon be ported to the HTC Universal which is also known as the i-Mate JASJAR, 02 XDA Exec, QTEK 9000, & the T-Mobile MDA IV.

These are all functionally the same platform and here are the specs:

- Intel XScale Bulverde 520 MHz processor, 128 MB of ROM, 64 MB of RAM
- 3.6" VGA screen, 16-bit color, 180-degree swivel screen
- Tri-band GSM/GPRS with UMTS support
- WiFi (802.11b) and Bluetooth
- Two speakers and a built-in microphone, with full duplex support
- Two cameras, a 1.3 mega pixel and a VGA camera
- SDIO slot is included
- Standard headphone jack which also supports headsets
- 1620 mAh battery


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Do those specs sound like what many of us have been desiring in a Zaurus upgrade?

I will be following this OpenMoko project very closely.  If it is indeed ported to the HTC Universal platform and I am able to have access to the same array of Linux programs that I currently run on my Zaurus or I can compile them in OpenEmbedded, I think I have found my Zaurus replacement.

All I need is for it to accept the higher capacity memory cards (2gb or 4gb) and I will be very satisfied.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on February 06, 2007, 10:48:57 am
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It appears as though we will have a greater choice of phone hardware platforms than the neo1973 as OpenMoko is ported to other phones. 
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That's the power of OpenEmbedded
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: adf on February 06, 2007, 11:34:18 am
Congrats koen hrw and mickeyl on the dev edition phones.  How about some reviews and screenshots as soon as you get 'em?
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on February 06, 2007, 12:32:26 pm
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Congrats koen hrw and mickeyl on the dev edition phones.  How about some reviews and screenshots as soon as you get 'em?
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Pictures and screenshots will go online as soon as I have my hands on a neo (ETA: 7 days)
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on February 21, 2007, 12:42:18 pm
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Congrats koen hrw and mickeyl on the dev edition phones.  How about some reviews and screenshots as soon as you get 'em?
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Pictures and screenshots will go online as soon as I have my hands on a neo (ETA: 7 days)
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well, the 13th was over a week ago, so any chance of the photos? Not that I'm really desperate or anything
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: speculatrix on March 05, 2007, 07:20:02 am
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7653749655.html (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7653749655.html)

available very soon in March, apparently (I presume this March not 2008!)... quote:

FIC will offer the Neo1973 in two packages. A $250 "Hacker's lunchbox" comprises a development board, battery, charger, shoulder strap, USB A-B cable, and a boss-looking reinforced lunchbox container.

The "Standard Kit," priced at $350 and likely available this fall, will include a phone, battery, headset, charger, case, stylus, lanyard, microSD card, MicroUSB cable, and manual.
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: Greg2 on March 05, 2007, 09:13:44 am
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well, the 13th was over a week ago, so any chance of the photos? Not that I'm really desperate or anything
Here's some pics of the prototype at FOSDEM:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718482/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718482/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718251/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718251/)
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: koen on March 05, 2007, 11:56:15 am
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well, the 13th was over a week ago, so any chance of the photos? Not that I'm really desperate or anything
Here's some pics of the prototype at FOSDEM:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718482/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718482/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718251/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/400718251/)
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 (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=155401\")

Update: [a href=\"http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/phase-0-is-shipping]http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/...e-0-is-shipping[/url]
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: ZDevil on July 10, 2007, 10:47:18 am
Openmoko Neo 1973 is out at last!

https://direct.openmoko.com/ (https://direct.openmoko.com/)

It comes in two flavors:  

Neo Base - Developer preview
The Neo Base kit contains everything the mobile application developer needs to enjoy the benefits of the first freed phone, the Neo 1973.
Price: $300 USD


Neo Advanced - Developer preview
The Neo Advanced Kit everything the mobile device hacker wants to get down and dirty with the first freed phone, the Neo 1973.
Price: $450 USD
Title: Fic Neo 1973 Linux Gps Phone
Post by: adf on July 10, 2007, 09:10:52 pm
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Openmoko Neo 1973 is out at last!

https://direct.openmoko.com/ (https://direct.openmoko.com/)

It comes in two flavors:   

Neo Base - Developer preview
The Neo Base kit contains everything the mobile application developer needs to enjoy the benefits of the first freed phone, the Neo 1973.
Price: $300 USD


Neo Advanced - Developer preview
The Neo Advanced Kit everything the mobile device hacker wants to get down and dirty with the first freed phone, the Neo 1973.
Price: $450 USD
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looking forward to the neo threads when they start