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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: Antikx on November 22, 2006, 08:06:57 pm
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Just trying to get a feel for everyone's experience with browsing on pdaXrom.
Thanks for your input.
If you can post about what kind of web pages work and don't work on each browser that would be helpful too.
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I think maybe a new minimo would be helpful, though. I can't configure the one in the feeds. By now there must be an updated source... tweaking minimo might be a really good idea
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I primary use Dillo for almost everything but use Firefox when Dillo can't download something and for viewing my gmail.
Downloading files from this forum typically doesn't work for me in Dillo.
I would be interested in a more stable Minimo.
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I overclock to 624 and use Firefox but when I wanna check something in forum I use Dillo...
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I really like Dillo, theres a newer version that has a big list of fixes/improvements that would be good if someone could compile.
downloading files that don't have a filename in the url is easy, just switch back to the browser window and select the filename with the mouse to copy it and then delete the fake filename and use shift+left click to paste it in. This is the same with all browsers except firefox that work in pdaxrom.
I also use links from the console to check stuff quic, like feeds.
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I like to have one lighweight browser - Dillo - and Firefox in reserve for dealing with "modern" pages. If only Dillo did HTTP Auth if would be a lot more useful to me! Maybe the newer versions do it? And the Bookmarks handling in Dillo is just painful...
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Bookmarking is fine for me,. CTRL+T open a new tab, CTRL+B to bring up the bookmarks and click the one... admittedly not like a drop down menu but easy to get used to....
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Bookmarking is fine for me,. CTRL+T open a new tab, CTRL+B to bring up the bookmarks and click the one... admittedly not like a drop down menu but easy to get used to....
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147069\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I agree but I see johnsutton's point as well.
If you get bookmark happy and then want to clean up or edit you have to drop to a console and find the file and then edit the file(correct me if I'm wrong). In some ways that's good because it forces me to not get bookmark happy.
It would be nice if we could make training material for some of the apps we use. And before someone quotes me (You see it! You own it!)... Ya, ya, I'll try and put something together.
Is there a slide show plugin installed for the OESF Wiki?
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If you get bookmark happy and then want to clean up or edit you have to drop to a console and find the file and then edit the file(correct me if I'm wrong).
Well you can click the modify link in the top right of the bookmark page. It just takes some getting used to I guess, when your used to the desktop delights of firefox, it certainly is a step back with dillo, but it's very good for what it is.
ps. A tip- if you are logged into the forum and you drop a bookmark, you will be logged in when you return via the bookmark. It doesn't automatically remember if you return to the page another way.
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I use:
- Mozilla and Firefox for most sites
- Dillo for ebooks and reference stuff
- Lynx for debugging and troubleshooting (the capture headers function is useful)
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If only Dillo did HTTP Auth if would be a lot more useful to me!
Dillo from standard feed does handle http auth.
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He prolly means... "HTTPS Auth"
Late
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He prolly means... "HTTPS Auth"
It handles SSL (https) and "basic auth over SSL" as well.
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I mentioned elsewhere, but what do you guys think of the latest dillo compiled against elftk? the dillo site seems to suggest it is possibel.
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Bookmarking is fine for me,. CTRL+T open a new tab, CTRL+B to bring up the bookmarks and click the one... admittedly not like a drop down menu but easy to get used to....
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Yes, but what about creating the bookmark in the first place? I can't find any simple way to do that - and surely it needs to be as simple as 1 (or 2 at most!) key presses.
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That would be pretty amazing IMO, Dillo is pretty fast but with fltk it would be even faster, and I would love to use the latest version, there are quite a few changes in the latest version from the one we have compiled:
dillo-0.8.6 [Apr 26, 2006]
- * Designed and implemented a dpi protocol library (libDpip.a in /dpip).
* Added a couple of new dpip commands.
* Fixed and uniformed the escaping of values inside dpip tags.
* Ported the bookmarks, download, file, https, ftp and hello plugins,
plus the dpid daemon and the rest of the source tree to use it.
* Improved the dpi buffer reception to handle split buffers (This was
required for handling arbitrary data streams with dpip).
* Fixed a bug in Cache_entry_remove_raw.
* Added a couple of "const" and C++ wrappers to dpiutil's API.
* Fixed a serious bug with the FTP plugin that led to two downloads of the
same file when left-clicking a non-viewable file.
* Added MIME/type detection to the FTP plugin, and removed popen().
* Set the dpi daemon (dpid) not to exit when the downloads dpi is running.
* Improved the accuracy of the illegal-character error reporting for URLs.
* Now save dialog replaces %20 and ' ' with '_' in the Filename suggestion.
* Made URL ADT automatically count and strip illegal characters from URLs.
* Added dpi/downloads.cc (Default FLTK2-based GUI for downloads dpi).
* Added "./configure --disable-dlgui" to build without FLTK2-GUI downloads.
* Fixed dpip's tag syntax and its parsing to accept any value string.
* Added DOCTYPE parsing (for better bug-meter error messages).
* Added a DOCTYPE type declaration tag to dpi-generated HTML.
* Fixed bookmarks dpi to escape ' in URLs and &<>"' in titles (BUG#655).
* Added a check for malicious image sizes in IMG tags.
* Made the parser aware of buggy pages with multiple BODY and HTML elements.
* Fixed a bug in MIME content/type detection.
* Check HTTP Content-Type against real data (a security procedure).
Patches: Jorge Arellano
- * Added a datauri dpi to handle "data:" URIs (RFC-2397).
Patch: Jorge Arellano, Ben Wiley Sittler
- * Moved the cookies management into a dpi server: cookies.dpi.
* Removed the restriction of only one dillo with cookies enabled!
* Fixed a bug with cookies for sites with self-signed certificate.
* Updated the cookies documentation.
* Made the downloads plugin dillo-cookie aware.
* Ported the cookies dpi to libDpip.a.
* Merged the new dpip code into the source tree.
Patches: Diego Sáenz, Jorge Arellano
- * Added "./configure --disable-threaded-dns" (for some non reentrant BSDs).
Patch: Jorge Arellano, Francis Daly
- * Fixed a bug with roman literals divisible by 10 (BUG#700).
* Fixed a bug with long alphabetically ordered lists (BUG#704).
Patch: Glyn Kennington
- * Fixed a file descriptor leak in the dpi protocol library.
* Fixed a subtle segfault bug with malformed URLs in cookies.c.
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Bookmarking is fine for me,. CTRL+T open a new tab, CTRL+B to bring up the bookmarks and click the one... admittedly not like a drop down menu but easy to get used to....
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147069\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Yes, but what about creating the bookmark in the first place? I can't find any simple way to do that - and surely it needs to be as simple as 1 (or 2 at most!) key presses.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147155\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Right click > Add bookmark??
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Bookmarking is fine for me,. CTRL+T open a new tab, CTRL+B to bring up the bookmarks and click the one... admittedly not like a drop down menu but easy to get used to....
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147069\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Yes, but what about creating the bookmark in the first place? I can't find any simple way to do that - and surely it needs to be as simple as 1 (or 2 at most!) key presses.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147155\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Right click > Add bookmark??
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147159\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Doh! Thanks for that zi99y.
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He prolly means... "HTTPS Auth"
It handles SSL (https) and "basic auth over SSL" as well.
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(http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=147137\")
No, I mean HTTP Auth, which my version (0.8.6) certainly doesn't do! It just returns a "401 Authorization Required". If you have a version which does otherwise, I'd like it too! Bug 224 in the dillo bug-track database reads:
Impact: soft error
At: run time
Type: misbehaviour
Comments: Authentication requests from a web server are ignored. Dillo displays the 401 return code page.
HTReproduce: Go to any web server requiring user/pass authentication.
WorkedBy: nobody
Perhaps you could access this page [a href=\"http://www.scl.co.uk/analog/]http://www.scl.co.uk/analog/[/url] with your dillo and tell me what happens. If you get a username/password dialogue, then I'm wrong, and I'd love to be wrong ;-)
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I'm not online with my Z to check but can do later if noone else does it for you.
Do you have an ipk of Dillo 0.8.6 as all I can find is dillo-xft_0.8.5_arm.ipk or Dillo2 which is useless as it crashes, if you had an ipk I would love to try that out.
edit: And just for info I can login to the forums here fine, and use easynews login page, sure I've tried others too.
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Perhaps you could access this page http://www.scl.co.uk/analog/ (http://www.scl.co.uk/analog/) with your dillo and tell me what happens. If you get a username/password dialogue, then I'm wrong, and I'd love to be wrong ;-)
I haven't tried the above site but I use it on my own sites all the time and I can assure you it does work
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I'm not online with my Z to check but can do later if noone else does it for you.
Do you have an ipk of Dillo 0.8.6 as all I can find is dillo-xft_0.8.5_arm.ipk or Dillo2 which is useless as it crashes, if you had an ipk I would love to try that out.
edit: And just for info I can login to the forums here fine, and use easynews login page, sure I've tried others too.
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I just compiled Dillo 0.8.6 with the --disable-dlgui option, mostly because I thought it wanted FLTK and not FLTK2. I'll post it later. What does the download GUI do?
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I'm not online with my Z to check but can do later if noone else does it for you.
Do you have an ipk of Dillo 0.8.6 as all I can find is dillo-xft_0.8.5_arm.ipk or Dillo2 which is useless as it crashes, if you had an ipk I would love to try that out.
edit: And just for info I can login to the forums here fine, and use easynews login page, sure I've tried others too.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147168\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I just compiled Dillo 0.8.6 with the --disable-dlgui option, mostly because I thought it wanted FLTK and not FLTK2. I'll post it later. What does the download GUI do?
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No idea.... maybe it shows download options? a progress bar?
anyway... how is it, I'm dying to know. (my last attempt at compiling a browser -minimo-on my Z didn't work out too well) better features? even faster?
Edit: maybe a dl gui would be a good thing? a wanted alternate? Certainly the firelure of Firefox's dlgui caused a big commotion.... anyway looking forward to seeing the new version
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anyway... how is it, I'm dying to know.
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See for yourself. It's in the new package thread.
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it works. I have to mess with the dillorc a bit-- tryto trim down the toolbar, mess with the fonts, etc. It is gtk, though.... for a little while I thought you'd done a Z version of the efltk port... nice to have updates either way, though.
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nice but bookmarks and downloads don't work. I think its to do with the build option you used.
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nice but bookmarks and downloads don't work. I think its to do with the build option you used.
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I'll recompile it with FLTK2 once I compile that. I have had some trouble with downloads, but right-clicking the link and saving it works in most cases.
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I'd like to use Dillo, but it ha too strange/wrong rendering for the sites I use, and doesn't support js.
So, I actually use a bit of links-g, a good amount of konqueror - since it's faster than firefox and almost as compatible as firefox, and a bit of firefox for hard pages, or simply when I need its smarter shortcuts system. Before using konqueror, I used firefox
So:
konqueror, firefox, links-g.
(to use konqueror I instaled kda-base)
My wish is to have a smarter version of Dillo, or something like Opera, or Netfront, or GPEminiBrowser.
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Dillo just doesn't do the job for me (no CSS, weird rendering, sometimes it's impossible to find something within a page because it's not where you'd expect).
I bought the C1000 mainly because it supported wi-fi and could run Firefox, so I'd be able to browse the net on the go without lugging a laptop (basically I wanted a micro-laptop, that's why I chose pdaXrom). But I'm sad to find out it's not ready for that
I've been trying Firefox, but it crashes randomly. It segfaults with
/usr/lib/firefox/lib/firefox-1.57run-mozilla.sh: line 131: XXXXX Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}(The XXXXX is a different number each time. Sometimes it says "Terminated" instead of "Segmentation fault").
I can't install xpi extensions either (goodbye to NoScript and Adblock+).
I don't care how slow it is, I can live with that, even with no extensions, but I need a browser that shows the pages as they are and doesn't crash. Besides, there's no Flash plugin support. I know Macromedia won't release Flash Player 9 for Linux, but at least Flash 8 should be supported...
Java? I haven't even dared to try that yet.
I had a Palm T|T which never let me down. It's been 5 years since I bought it, and still working flawlessly, but there were no usable browsers for it and no wi-fi, so I gave it away to a relative.
Now I'm seriously thinking of selling my C1000 unless I find a browser that does the job
What about Konqueror? Is it stable? How much space does it take, including libraries?
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Dillo just doesn't do the job for me (no CSS, weird rendering, sometimes it's impossible to find something within a page because it's not where you'd expect).
I bought the C1000 mainly because it supported wi-fi and could run Firefox, so I'd be able to browse the net on the go without lugging a laptop (basically I wanted a micro-laptop, that's why I chose pdaXrom). But I'm sad to find out it's not ready for that
I've been trying Firefox, but it crashes randomly. It segfaults with
/usr/lib/firefox/lib/firefox-1.57run-mozilla.sh: line 131: XXXXX Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}(The XXXXX is a different number each time. Sometimes it says "Terminated" instead of "Segmentation fault").
I can't install xpi extensions either (goodbye to NoScript and Adblock+).
I don't care how slow it is, I can live with that, even with no extensions, but I need a browser that shows the pages as they are and doesn't crash. Besides, there's no Flash plugin support. I know Macromedia won't release Flash Player 9 for Linux, but at least Flash 8 should be supported...
Java? I haven't even dared to try that yet.
I had a Palm T|T which never let me down. It's been 5 years since I bought it, and still working flawlessly, but there were no usable browsers for it and no wi-fi, so I gave it away to a relative.
Now I'm seriously thinking of selling my C1000 unless I find a browser that does the job
What about Konqueror? Is it stable? How much space does it take, including libraries?
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its a bug in the startup shell script. i fixed it long time ago for my custom package but cannot remember which lines I had to comment out.
as for flash support use gplflash which has firefox plugin. i also compiled a java plugin which uses gnu classpath and jamvm
it all works, but it is very slow
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I tried commenting out all debug-related lines and functions on run-mozilla.sh, and disabling memory and disk cache completely in about:config (just in case), but it crashes anyway with the same error...
Meanie, do you have ipk's?
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I tried commenting out all debug-related lines and functions on run-mozilla.sh, and disabling memory and disk cache completely in about:config (just in case), but it crashes anyway with the same error...
That's an annoying bug that. Sometimes closing down other programs "makes it work" again. Sometimes I have to open other programs then close them down to "make it work" again. As a last resort restart X. Same with Mozilla. Also ometimes when one of Firefox/Mozilla fails the other works
Meanie: you should've posted your solution here at the time you solved it so you wouldn't forget what you did
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Just tried Konqueror. It needed the libstdcxx5-compat package (I found it in Meanie's feed).
Opens quite fast and looks good... but https is not supported. Also, it complains about scripts taking too long, and reloads the pages unexpectedly while I am trying to read them. Maybe I'm asking too much, but for me it's not usable enough.
At least it hasn't crashed yet...
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Is there any chance to get Opera to work on pdaXrom?
Br,
Gatu
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I don't mean to butt in as I don't use pdaXrom, but why couldn't Opera for linux run on pdaXrom?
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?st...rm=Linux%20i386 (http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?step=2&opsys=Linux%20i386&platform=Linux%20i386)
That page redirects you to main page, try this one.
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes (http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes)
I plan on getting a second Zaurus next year and flashing pdaXrom onto it, but would like to see Opera and Picsel Browser run on it.
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I don't mean to butt in as I don't use pdaXrom, but why couldn't Opera for linux run on pdaXrom?
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?st...rm=Linux%20i386 (http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?step=2&opsys=Linux%20i386&platform=Linux%20i386)
That page redirects you to main page, try this one.
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes (http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes)
I plan on getting a second Zaurus next year and flashing pdaXrom onto it, but would like to see Opera and Picsel Browser run on it.
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I don't think there are Opera builds for ARM processors...
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Possibly there are no suitable packages on that page. However the original Sharp Rom has Opera installed (Cacko also uses it), but I guess this is built for Qtopia and wont run on pdaXrom... or?
Br,
Gatu
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I am mostly in the "Dillo for anything I can make work, firefox for everything else" camp.
But when I am at home, I SSH into my linux box and run firefox from there. It works great. Much faster, takes less memory, and has plugins included.
The PC, by the way, cost me $30 off craigslist and I run Damn Small Linux on it.
I am not sure why more zaurus users don't use it as an X thin client.
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