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General Forums => For Sale / Wanted => Topic started by: ccrandal on March 05, 2004, 12:06:31 pm
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I\'m looking to switch to a Zaurus. I currently own a Clie UX-50 with a 128MB Memory Stick and some software (HanDBase, Vault). I would be willing to set up a trade for an equivalent Zaurus (needs to be a C7xx or C8xx). Otherwise, I\'m looking for someone willing to sell a reasonably priced C7xx... perferably a C700, but I\'d consider buying any of the clamshell Zaurii.
Thanks,
Curt
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I wish I had one I love the UX-50... All I have is the SL-5500 if you would take that but I wont hold my breth... anyway I had to say I love thos and wich I had one.. Ill look around for you...
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I was able to pick up a C750. Thanks anyway. Now I just need to get rid of this darn part-Japanese ROM and get my bluetooth card. Then I can put that UX-50 up on eBay.
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how much you looking for it?
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Well, the UX-50 I have is in MINT condition. The only noticable wear is on the rubber pads on the bottom where some black rubbed off from my leather jacket. I have all the original pieces that came with the unit (USB sync cable, manuals, CD-ROM, leather case, etc.). And, I have a Lexar 128MB Memory Stick (not Pro or MagicGate, just the regular kind) I\'m throwing in. My hope is to get $500US for it.
I get my bluetooth card on Monday and hopefully a 128MB CF card. Then I can start configuring my C750 to see if it\'ll work for what I need it to do. Little concerned about the latest Cacko Qtopia ROM having problems with bluetooth cards... we\'ll see if they patch it soon. I\'d really hate to have to manually mess with my configs everytime I want to use bluetooth!
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Fat chance, i got SL5500 and i wouldn\'t swap it for any Clie, glorified Palm with mp3,
you\'ll know better next time.
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Too bad you got the C750. I have a C760 and Ambicom bluetooth card (supported by bluez) I would have traded.
LD
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mentat_bashar: Well, I would definitely not trade a UX-50 for a SL-5500. While I definitely like running Linux as opposed to PalmOS5, there\'s no comparison in regards to hardware. In fact, I prefer the UX-50 to the C750 hardware-wise... with the exception of the screen size and brightness (although the Clie screen is significantly sharper). As I found out tonight, the Z is completely useless in the dark if you wish to use the keyboard. The UX-50 has a beautiful, backlit keyboard.
LordDavon, that is too bad that I got that C750 so soon. I definitely would\'ve swapped for the C760+extras. Are you upgrading to a C860 or just looking to switch to a Clie?
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Little concerned about the latest Cacko Qtopia ROM having problems with bluetooth cards... we\'ll see if they patch it soon. I\'d really hate to have to manually mess with my configs everytime I want to use bluetooth!
What problems are you talking about? This ROM is should have bluetooth working out of the box, without any config file editing...
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Hmmm... that wasn\'t the impression I got when reading the thread under Sharp ROMs entitled \"Socket CF Bluetooth Rev 2.5G\". I see that you did post that there\'d be a fix in the next ROM, however, as of the last post it sounded like people had to mess around with configs, manually start and stop BT, and the E drivers weren\'t working for some. I guess I\'ll find out tomorrow when my Socket CF Bluetooth card arrives.
Thanks
Curt
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LordDavon, that is too bad that I got that C750 so soon. I definitely would\'ve swapped for the C760+extras. Are you upgrading to a C860 or just looking to switch to a Clie?
I have a couple of C700\'s, a C760 and a C860 already. I would have done the swap just to have something new to hack on. Possibly place a Linux distro on it.
LD
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I spent several hours looking for a Linux distro for the Clie and didn\'t find a thing. Sony is so closed with their architecture that I think it\'d be impossible to put Linux on a Clie. Their UX line has a new processor that I\'m not sure is ARM compliant (nothing in the documentation on it... they don\'t even post a clock speed, although tech supp says it\'s 300MHz).
What would be worth doing is waiting for Cobalt (PalmOS 6) to come out and see if that OS will support a shell and other such things. But, it still looks like PalmOS 6 is using the same old VFS, so a shell probably wouldn\'t be of much use.
What\'s great about the UX-50 is that if you have a BT phone, you can use it to IM. The keyboard is really nice... in fact it\'s much better than the Z\'s (despite having fewer keys). The keyboard has a really nice backlit and the board is wavy, so it\'s a little easier to keep your fingers on it. And with WiFi and BT built-in, you don\'t have a wireless antennae sticking into your hand while typing.
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I spent several hours looking for a Linux distro for the Clie and didn\'t find a thing. Sony is so closed with their architecture that I think it\'d be impossible to put Linux on a Clie. Their UX line has a new processor that I\'m not sure is ARM compliant (nothing in the documentation on it... they don\'t even post a clock speed, although tech supp says it\'s 300MHz).
What would be worth doing is waiting for Cobalt (PalmOS 6) to come out and see if that OS will support a shell and other such things. But, it still looks like PalmOS 6 is using the same old VFS, so a shell probably wouldn\'t be of much use.
What\'s great about the UX-50 is that if you have a BT phone, you can use it to IM. The keyboard is really nice... in fact it\'s much better than the Z\'s (despite having fewer keys). The keyboard has a really nice backlit and the board is wavy, so it\'s a little easier to keep your fingers on it. And with WiFi and BT built-in, you don\'t have a wireless antennae sticking into your hand while typing.
I would be looking to start one for it. ;-)
LD
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If you could come up with a Linux distro for the Clie (esp one that boots off a Memory Stick) that would be awesome. I just think that with the closed architecture, it\'d be nearly impossible to create drivers for all the pieces of the handheld and possibly even compile for the architecture. Best of luck, though!
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TO CCRANDAL:
WELL THAT\'S YOUR OPINION, BUT HERE IS WHY I DONT LIKE THE SONY PDA, THERE FORM FUNCTION IS GOOD, WITH WHAT LOOKS LIKE EXCELLENT FEATURES. BUT WHEN YOU GET IT HOME, YOU QUICKLY REALISE YOU HAVE JUST KI-BOSHED HUNDREDS OF QUID ON A SWEATY PALM ORGANISER WITH BUILT IN CAM! THE ONLY GOOD SOFTWARE IS THE CLIE APPLICATION LAUNCHER AND SONY\'S CUSTOM SOFTWARE FOR THINGS LIKE THE VIDEO,BUT IT\'S BASICALLY A PALM ORGANISER, NOT MUCH BETTER THAN A M130, YOUR FORCED INTO PROPRIETARY MEMORY WHICH IS USELESS ON OTHER HARDWARE AND MORE COST,COME ON SONY ARE BASTARD\'S WHO DONT GIVE A F**K ABOUT THERE CUSTOMERS. EVERY MONTH IT SEEMS THEY RELEASE A NEW MODEL COMPLETLY RENDERING YOURS USELESS. CLIE FANATICS OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN SENSE.I BUY WHEN I NEED SOMETHING TO DO A JOB!, AND I WANT VALUE FOR MONEY AND LONGEVITY,CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY YOU GET THAT FROM SONY! LASTLY THE REAL KILLER FOR ME WAS I TO USE F*****G WINDOWS. AND WELL I RATHER BE DEAD THAN DO THAT ANYMORE.ALSO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CONVERTED INTO OBSCURE PDB AND PRC FILES. YOU CANT DO VERY LITTLE NATIVELY. HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THE \"Z\" (A REAL COMPUTER) TO A CLIE(A SIMPLE DATABANK) BEGGARS BELIEF. BUT YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION..
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Looks like someone needs some prozac or something.
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Well, I can sync just fine to my Mac OSX with the Clie... no such luck with the Zaurus. So, you definitely don\'t need Windows with a Clie (albeit, you do need to pay $29.95 for Missing Sync).
MPEG videos play flawlessly on the Clie... most require a change in size and bitrate to run on the Z (unless maybe there\'s another viewer I haven\'t tried that works better).
WiFi and Bluetooth works flawlessly. On the Z, I don\'t have any builtin software in the network applet to search for wifi networks. Bluetooth works perfectly on my Clie... on the Z, the bluetooth adapter I have needs tweaking. Oh, I don\'t have to carry 2 cards with my Clie.
Couldn\'t find a decent SMS app on the Z. The one that comes with the Clie works great.
No Sharp support in the US for the C750. Sony\'s support sucks, but at least I have it.
The Z is great. Awesome screen, better underlying OS. It\'s just missing some critical applications that are polished. So for me, someone who is using a PDA as a PDA first, the Clie works better. Maybe the next iteration of the clamshell Z will work out better. If it has builtin wifi and bluetooth and perhaps a camera/video recorder, I\'ll make the switch again.
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mentat_basher is ultimately right I can\'t understand why you can say the UX screen is sharper... it\'s so small and the black outing is so annoying... the SL-CXXX series have CG Silicon technology which no company but sharp has created... nothing beats it and the UX 50 is more like a toy... it\'s completely useless with the unbalanced design... it\'s all bulky on one side and the other has a long plate thingy sticking out... plus they only have a memory stick slot wich is almost useless to people without complete sony gadgets computers camera camcorders, mp3\'s etc. the z has cf and sd and so what if it doesn\'t have wifi or a camera built in it\'s a computer mostly and computers don\'t have camera built in and they don\'t have wifi built in... plus z\'s were built to be sold in japan and japanese people aren\'t cheapos and they are willing to buy wifi cards so easily!
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If you could come up with a Linux distro for the Clie (esp one that boots off a Memory Stick) that would be awesome.
I\'ll just add a \"me too\". UX50 hardware running embedded Linux is getting closer to my ultimate PDA! (wouldn\'t mind trading the mem stick for an SD or CF though)
Although, C860 + WiFi + Bluetooth would be even closer...
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It has nothing to do with being cheap. I don\'t want to clog an expansion slot plus have to carry around another card when it could\'ve just as easily been integrated.
As far as the screen goes, images on the Clie look better than on the Z while the Z\'s screen is larger and brighter. That\'s not just me talking but everyone else at our shop that compared the two devices. Personally, I\'d rather have the size and brightness, but the Clie is still sharper.
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Also, what do you mean computers don\'t have builtin wifi???? All of the laptops and desktops I own have all the builtin... of course, I have Apples. But even most of the laptops nowadays have a builtin wifi option if not builtin bluetooth.
The UX-50 being completely useless is not a very objective statement. Obviously I found it to be more useful for my needs and considering I know about 12 others that are happy with it, it can\'t just be me.
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Yes, builtin wifi+bluetooth in a C series would be very close to perfect (camera/video recorder comes in handy too). That should be coming in the next few months. If it comes out before Sept, i\'ll probably pick one up in Japan... unless Apple\'s PDA is released (which seems like the rumors surrounding it are pretty solid according to a couple Apple employees I\'m acquainted with).
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Not trying to make people mad but if you\'re gonna point out the goodness of other products and make the Z a pity then why don\'t you go to a UX forum or something???
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Well, I can sync just fine to my Mac OSX with the Clie... no such luck with the Zaurus. So, you definitely don\'t need Windows with a Clie (albeit, you do need to pay $29.95 for Missing Sync).
MPEG videos play flawlessly on the Clie... most require a change in size and bitrate to run on the Z (unless maybe there\'s another viewer I haven\'t tried that works better).
WiFi and Bluetooth works flawlessly. On the Z, I don\'t have any builtin software in the network applet to search for wifi networks. Bluetooth works perfectly on my Clie... on the Z, the bluetooth adapter I have needs tweaking. Oh, I don\'t have to carry 2 cards with my Clie.
Couldn\'t find a decent SMS app on the Z. The one that comes with the Clie works great.
No Sharp support in the US for the C750. Sony\'s support sucks, but at least I have it.
The Z is great. Awesome screen, better underlying OS. It\'s just missing some critical applications that are polished. So for me, someone who is using a PDA as a PDA first, the Clie works better. Maybe the next iteration of the clamshell Z will work out better. If it has builtin wifi and bluetooth and perhaps a camera/video recorder, I\'ll make the switch again.
Yes but like you say, to be able to sync requires more cash expenditure, we are not all living in the USA or have fat salaries. I don\'t know what Clie you have, but I can speak from experience from going FROM a NX70V to SL-5500, video did not play properly, 15 fps was the limit and the video was jerky, very jerky, as bad as one of those silly video phones at times. To get fluid video meant using another product, Kinoma, more money, no decent audio. And video DID have to be re-encoded to produce either Kinoma files or MQV\'s for the Clie movie player, no different to using a Z. MPEG-1 was poor, 15fps max again. I got excellent performance for movies on my 5500 video felt smooth, if you know what you\'re doing. PDFs had to be converted to a native format, as did many images, word/excel docs required conversion via Docs-to-go (Hancom is better for all my needs), only one product (more cost) supported native DOC/XLS files, but, would only open existing ones. The compact flash port was not supported then, needing 3rd party drivers (MORE cost) for buggy and unreliable results. The much praised camcorder was useless, my £25 digi-camcorder does it better. 5-10fps max. Took nice photos but the edges were blurred. A waste of my hard earned and saved money.
I am not sure why you bought a Linux device, you did know it was Linux didn\'t you? It was never intended for newbies or people who wanted point and click operation, it\'s a more advanced computer, I emphase - computer. I spent just as much on my new 860 as I did the Clie, the Clie was just a Palm, a simple PDA for people who need PIM functions, not a computer, when you break the arguement down, the comparisions are meaningless, you cannot compare the two.
I regretted buying every PDA I ever bought except: Sharp PC-3100, HP 200LX and 5500/860. But notice if you will, I prefer computers, not PDAs. :-) If a PDA is what you needed, why buy a Z? It is not a PDA.
People who say \"oh I bought a Z because of the screen\" or \"I like the hardware\" make me laugh, one needs a bit more than that to make a good purchase decision, these people obviously have made the wrong choice.
riki_nakamura my friend, fear not, there are more of us, than them. ;-)
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Not trying to make people mad but if you\'re gonna point out the goodness of other products and make the Z a pity then why don\'t you go to a UX forum or something???
Sigh. I don\'t know why in these forums people get so offensive when some does go on and on about how great and wonderful the Z is and how it\'s so much superior to everything else on the planet. Get real people. I never made \"the Z a pity\". I liked the Z, BUT IT DIDN\'T WORK AS WELL FOR ME AS SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!! So sorry to disappoint your world view by saying that.
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I don\'t really know why I need to justify why I bought a Z to anyone here. I simply stated in the beginning that there were things about the Z I like and things about the UX I liked. Ultimately, being able to sync with a Mac (for $29.99... don\'t think you need a fat salary for that. For God\'s sake, if you are going to spend hundreds on a PDA, $29.99 is a drop in a bucket!!!), and a couple of better apps is what made me switch. I bought the Z because I thought it might work better FOR ME!!! It\'s not like these things are sitting on the store shelves down at Circuit City. So to find out if I could switch, I had to buy it. It didn\'t work out, so I sold it someone else who could make better use of it. If the Z worked great for you, congrats! But let\'s get over it if someone else didn\'t make the same choice. Ugh!
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mentat_bashar - why the all caps? it gives the impression of shouting... can you edit your post to be without all caps?
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I don\'t really know why I need to justify why I bought a Z to anyone here. I simply stated in the beginning that there were things about the Z I like and things about the UX I liked. Ultimately, being able to sync with a Mac (for $29.99... don\'t think you need a fat salary for that. For God\'s sake, if you are going to spend hundreds on a PDA, $29.99 is a drop in a bucket!!!), and a couple of better apps is what made me switch. I bought the Z because I thought it might work better FOR ME!!! It\'s not like these things are sitting on the store shelves down at Circuit City. So to find out if I could switch, I had to buy it. It didn\'t work out, so I sold it someone else who could make better use of it. If the Z worked great for you, congrats! But let\'s get over it if someone else didn\'t make the same choice. Ugh!
I\'m sorry if it didn\'t work out for you, it depends on what you want from a machine I suppose, not everyone is a Linux hacker or user, I\'d never have recommended it to you in the first place to be truthful. I hope you do find something that makes you happy. You will always find people on any forum who may get a little ticked off if someone starts attacking something they like, the Zaurus in this case, there is too much of that going on recently, usually due to poor purchase choices. But I remember when I used to use Macs, they had quite a fanatical following back then - cult status, people either disliked them or loved them to the max, myself included. But I am not \'wealthy\' in US terms, I cannot afford another Mac, not everyone has money to \'try out\' a PDA, I had to save hard for a year, but I\'m glad you can.
Having tried the Palm OS platform and Linux, I don\'t see what other options are available to you. If there is a Mac/PocketPC sync option, maybe you could try that, or wait indefinately for Apple to produce a PDA.
I wish you well in whatever you decide. :-)
Best wishes.
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You know, if you guys who said you\'d do that trade are serious. I have a UX-50 w/ 512 MB memory stick and extra battery that has been idle for a while. I have been looking at getting a Zaurus a bit more up to date than my 5000. Anyone interested?
I really, really wish they had the 6000 features in the clamshell form factor. (Built-in Wifi, USB host)
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Did I hear correctly? Some people actually think their low MHz, low memory, poor screen size, etc... Palm PDAs are better than the Zaurus? That\'s a first for me. I didn\'t even know people thought that... While Linux may not be as intuitive as Palm, it is more powerful. Palm isn\'t even really considered a real OS. It\'s usually found one step lower than WindowsCE.
The camera is nice, and I actually thought about getting one, but then I came to my senses and realized, like mentat_bashar said, it isn\'t a computer... it\'s only a fancy organizer.... and I wanted a computer.
As I found out tonight, the Z is completely useless in the dark if you wish to use the keyboard. The UX-50 has a beautiful, backlit keyboard.
There\'s a patch for that... it involves tilting the screen forward slightly and then, like a flashlight, you can see all!