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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: danboid on January 21, 2007, 06:16:59 am
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I've just tried and failed to get SIAG office compiled under pdaXii13. I've been searching OESF and the net and although I've read posts about people running siag under pdaX I can't seem to find any packages anywhere- pdaXrom.org is down AGAIN which hasn't helped! Anybody know where I can get siag packages that will work under pdaXii13?
gnumeric and abiword run great on modern PCs but their 1min+ loading times on the Z aren't much fun. Are there any other decent, LIGHTWEIGHT (i.e not GTK2 or QT/KDE based) speadsheet or wp progs I should consider? They must be able to open xls/doc or use a format that I can easily convert my xls/doc files into. Pathetic writer supposedly opens doc files and I've found an app that can convert xls into .wk1 (Lotus-123 files as used by siag) so I should be OK there.
Thanks!
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I've just tried and failed to get SIAG office compiled under pdaXii13. I've been searching OESF and the net and although I've read posts about people running siag under pdaX I can't seem to find any packages anywhere- pdaXrom.org is down AGAIN which hasn't helped! Anybody know where I can get siag packages that will work under pdaXii13?
gnumeric and abiword run great on modern PCs but their 1min+ loading times on the Z aren't much fun. Are there any other decent, LIGHTWEIGHT (i.e not GTK2 or QT/KDE based) speadsheet or wp progs I should consider? They must be able to open xls/doc or use a format that I can easily convert my xls/doc files into. Pathetic writer supposedly opens doc files and I've found an app that can convert xls into .wk1 (Lotus-123 files as used by siag) so I should be OK there.
Thanks!
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Here it is !
But I don't know if it works...
plcg
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Thanks plcg!
The package installed OK but unfortunately when I try to run siag or pw i just get the error
Illegal instruction
Maybe it was compiled for an older pdaXrom which is incompatible with b3/pdaXii13?
EDIT
pdaxrom.org is back up for the moment it seems but there is no sign of siag at http://mail.pdaxrom.org/contrib/list.txt (http://mail.pdaxrom.org/contrib/list.txt)
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I'm trying to rebuild SIAG for b3, will post results.
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Built it ... however when starting i'm getting
root@zaurus:/$ /usr/bin/siag
Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
Panic: can't load any fonts!
root@zaurus:/$
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You got further than I did at least, so thats good news. I'm sure that font error can't be hard to fix, just don't ask me about it Have you checked the feeds to see if there are any XFree font packages you don't have installed? I'm presuming this prevents siag loading right?
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kkazakov13: I'd be interested in trying out your version, and I think I've got a fairly complete set of fonts and libraries installed. I can let you know if I got any further with running it. I run Beta3 also.
Abiword is great, but even under Fluxbox's faster loading times, it still seems a little too bloated for this machine
I'd love a working version of SIAG
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gnumeric and abiword run great on modern PCs but their 1min+ loading times
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It doesn't take over a minute to load either of them on either of my Zs. Perhaps something else is slowing the load down?
By the way, I'm not saying it's not a good idea to have SIAG, because it is, but rather saying that Abiword and Gnumeric aren't too bad.
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Ok, I will package it up and post it here, in few hours. I've got no errors while building. I also installed every font package I found in the feeds, but I guess there is some setup missing, some file needs editing probably ... we have to find out.
Yes, I find Abiword and Gnumeric pretty enough for me, but I'm just trying to help here ... there's nothing with which SIAG can impress me
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Yes, please do package it kkazakov. I'm not expecting siag to have anywhere near the amount of features of gnumeric or abiword, but the extra features those package have I don't usually need and if we get it working and it loads in half the time (or less) then its very much been worth our while.
Maybe I was exaggerating saying they take a minute to load- its probably more life 20/30 secs but this still seems too much when you're used to seeing the same progs load instantly on your PC or you've been using something like a Psion for years where all the apps load in a sec.
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Here are the packages, please test it out if you get the same error as me. I hope there are no other library dependencies, but tell me, will add the library if sth is missing.
I'll not be available after about 10 hours for about 24 hours, but when back, will try to solve things, if you haven't think of sth
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Thanks kk!
You're right in that siag /pw complain about missing fonts but thats not the real problem, the real problem being that a lot of the buttons in the dialogue boxes (OKs, Cancels, Yes and No's etc.) don't respond when you click on them which makes it pretty much unuseable.
They do seem to load faster but not that much faster- not that it matters if they don't work!
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Thanks kk!
You're right in that siag /pw complain about missing fonts but thats not the real problem, the real problem being that a lot of the buttons in the dialogue boxes (OKs, Cancels, Yes and No's etc.) don't respond when you click on them which makes it pretty much unuseable.
They do seem to load faster but not that much faster- not that it matters if they don't work!
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Can you start it in console and see if there is any output? How you passed the missing fonts complaint ?
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Running siag or pw from console prints 2 errors:
Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
but they both load fine after that.
This is under pdaXii13 5.2 on C3000- I didn't have to install any extra fonts to get siag to load. As far as font related packages, pdaXii13 has
x11-fonts-misc
webfonts-arial
webfonts-courier
webfonts-lucon
webfonts-times
webfonts-verdana
ttf-bitstream-vera
installed as standard. Maybe I've missed some off this list?
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Hm, you're right, it loads. Actually I don't see it acting adequately at all ... and i don't like this
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As I said, it plain doesn't work but if anyone wants to try fixing the font error then you could try messing with
/usr/share/Mowitz/fonts.txt
Thanks for compiling it anyway kkazakov13- I've got the distinct feeling I'll have another app you may want to test your compilation skills out on very shortly, if you're interested of course..
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It's ok, give it to me ... lately (last year mostly) I compile for my slackware desktop and last few months for the zaurus , few things at the same time ... there are lot of great apps out there
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Thanks very much for the offer kkazakov13! See the main pdaXrom forum for my request...
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As I said, it plain doesn't work but if anyone wants to try fixing the font error then you could try messing with
/usr/share/Mowitz/fonts.txt
Well, I tried that, and after over an hour trying different combinations of libraries, installing extra font packages and older versions of siag, and editing that file, I resigned myself to it not working.
It looks like (at least on Beta3) it will not even get as far as you managed to I get the error too:
Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" to type FontStruct
Panic: can't load any fonts!And yet I have the same (and more) packages as danboid.
Oh well - it was worth a try. Thank you kkazakov13 for spending your time compiling this
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The difference being that I'd compiled siags dependencies with
./configure --prefix=/usr
and left them on whilst installing kk's packages too so maybe that made a difference?
There are a few other options left yet. For lightweight word procs we can try Ted
http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/ (http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/)
and maybe flwriter
http://www.whoow.org/people/Jean-Marc.Lienher/xd640.html (http://www.whoow.org/people/Jean-Marc.Lienher/xd640.html)
but I've given up trying to compile FLTK apps under pdaX so maybe somebody else can try that one? The problem with both of those os neither load .doc files but Ted deals with RTF which is well supported by most WPs.
For light weight spreadsheets we can try ABS
http://www.filewatcher.com/m/abs-0.8.tgz.18.0.0.html (http://www.filewatcher.com/m/abs-0.8.tgz.18.0.0.html)
(The ABS homepage seems to have disappeared y'see) and Abacus
http://tahoe.inesc.pt/~aml/abacus/abacus.html (http://tahoe.inesc.pt/~aml/abacus/abacus.html)
Anybody got any more suggestions or recommendations for either type of app?
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The difference being that I'd compiled siags dependencies <snip>
Now he tells me this Quite possibly it made a difference
I have a few suggestions (just for wp since I don't currently use spreadsheets).
Beaver - small and lightweight editor, just been revived, not sure if it can handle .doc though:
http://www.nongnu.org/beaver/ (http://www.nongnu.org/beaver/)
LyX - depends on LaTeX, so a little heavy but does handle .doc:
http://www.lyx.org/ (http://www.lyx.org/)
and just to throw in my tuppence worth; I've used Ted before, I can't really say it struck me as any more useful than Leafpad/Nedit...
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Ted is a great little app IMO- I've tried it under ubuntu and its just what I was looking for. I would say its a bit unfair to compare it to Leafpad or Nedit, Windoze Wordpad would be a better comparison.
I got it to compile under pdaXii13 and to my delight it loads in a couple of seconds (unlike Abiword and pw etc.), which is exactly what I wanted. Its just a shame that it failed to open a new editor window or open an existing text file
I've attached Teds stderr output from when I ran it and tried opening a text file with it just in case it makes sense to anyone here. I've sent this same file to the author of Ted to see if he has any suggestions. When I compiled it I simply did a
make
make install
and by default I think it compiled a static binary. Maybe it just needs some different configure options?
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Ted just uses Lesstif btw
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Ted is a great little app IMO- I've tried it under ubuntu and its just what I was looking for. I would say its a bit unfair to compare it to Leafpad or Nedit, Windoze Wordpad would be a better comparison.
Well, tbh I was comparing it in terms of what it/they can't do - read .doc formats properly. As an editor it's great (Though I took the bloated 'Gedit' route in Debian )
As for your problem, I'm just grasping at straws, but have you invoked Ted as per instructed on the website?
To start it just invoke Ted & or /usr/local/bin/Ted &. To start Ted with a certain file invoke Ted something.rtf &.
Other than that, I'm completely in the dark.
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I tried adding a & to the end of the Ted command but it didn't fix anything unfortunately.
I'll let you all know if the developer tells me how to fix it as I think Ted would make a fantastic addition to pdaXrom. OZ and Angstrom. Most of my .doc files don't have graphics or elaborate formatting so I can quite easily convert all that to .rtf as I much prefer Teds loading speed to that of Abiword- 2s vs 20!
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I got a reply from the author of Ted, 'e sed:
"This is definitely a font error. Ted thinks that it can open
the font mentioned in the error log. But then.. opening the
font fails.
I can you try what xfontsel says about this font, and/or
whether xlsfonts lists the corresponding scalable font.
(size 0)"
So I checked the output of xlsfonts under pdaXii13 and it does list the exact font that Ted is requesting but then I noticed that running xfontsel produces exactly the same errors that we've been experiencing with siag i.e
Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
I seem to have all the pdaX font packages installed- any ideas?
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So I checked the output of xlsfonts under pdaXii13 and it does list the exact font that Ted is requesting but then I noticed that running xfontsel produces exactly the same errors that we've been experiencing with siag
Actually if you try to run most built-in X apps (xcalc, xclipboard,etc) you'll see it's the same, with differing fonts being specified as missing - it's as if this implementation of X can't find the font paths - even though they're specified correctly and issuing (just to make certain):
xset +fp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
xset fp rehash
Makes no difference. I also honestly doubt it could be solved by installing any more font packages.
(This is all from my limited knowledge of the workings of X ^__^;; )
I noticed that this question has also been asked before on this forum, and never satisfactorily answered. It seems like the 'Missing charsets in String to FontSet' problem is here for a while to come yet
Of course, anyone with more knowledge on this, please feel free to come along and correct me/help out
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I've just tried and failed to get SIAG office compiled under pdaXii13. I've been searching OESF and the net and although I've read posts about people running siag under pdaX I can't seem to find any packages anywhere- pdaXrom.org is down AGAIN which hasn't helped! Anybody know where I can get siag packages that will work under pdaXii13?
gnumeric and abiword run great on modern PCs but their 1min+ loading times on the Z aren't much fun. Are there any other decent, LIGHTWEIGHT (i.e not GTK2 or QT/KDE based) speadsheet or wp progs I should consider? They must be able to open xls/doc or use a format that I can easily convert my xls/doc files into. Pathetic writer supposedly opens doc files and I've found an app that can convert xls into .wk1 (Lotus-123 files as used by siag) so I should be OK there.
Thanks!
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siag was running on a very old version of pdaX, packages are still [a href=\"http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/18-FEB-2004/feed/]over here[/url], but I bet they won't be ok for the newer versions.
I have to say I don't quite understand what you are looking for :
- gnumeric loads in 16secs on my Z
- I just opened the last opened document (through document history) in 4secs. This is a 65K .xls document.
Are you running swap ? It could speed up gnumeric's loading and opening docs.
Chero.
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With the help of Ted's author I managed to get it working under pdaXii13 and I've uploaded it to the new packages thread!
Chero:
I'm sorry, I'm just obsessed with load times. Why settle for 16s if we can have 4? I realise that gnumeric is the only 'serious' choice of ss for Z users but not everybody needs all the functions and compatibility with Excel so I just want something simpler that loads faster.
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With the help of Ted's author I managed to get it working under pdaXii13 and I've uploaded it to the new packages thread!
Chero:
I'm sorry, I'm just obsessed with load times. Why settle for 16s if we can have 4? I realise that gnumeric is the only 'serious' choice of ss for Z users but not everybody needs all the functions and compatibility with Excel so I just want something simpler that loads faster.
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use vim with macros, it loads in < 0.1 seconds...
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Sorry, vim isn't graphical and wouldn't be ideal for editing rtf files. I'm catering for my dad's complaints here and I know vim would go way over his head.
It's a shame the TextEdit app that comes with pdaXii13 doesn't have a spell checker as the formatting tools are hidden away under Ted.
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Very good news for everyone who uses pdaX for office tasks!
First off, I've solved my 'gnumeric takes too long to load' problem- all you have to do is uninstall scim if you don't use it. With scim installed, gnumeric takes about 35s to load. Without scim the load time goes WAY down to about 7s!!!
Also, the author of Ted says he'll implement my suggestion to add common formatting tasks (Left, Right, Centre and Justify of text) to the much more easily accessible main format menu (instead of having to dig through a few different menus to get to these options) for the next version!
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With scim installed, gnumeric takes about 35s to load. Without scim the load time goes WAY down to about 7s!!!
That's why I was wondering why you talk about slowly starting of Gnumeric ... I've never thought 10 seconds is too much But seems you had scim, which I never install.
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So I checked the output of xlsfonts under pdaXii13 and it does list the exact font that Ted is requesting but then I noticed that running xfontsel produces exactly the same errors that we've been experiencing with siag
Actually if you try to run most built-in X apps (xcalc, xclipboard,etc) you'll see it's the same, with differing fonts being specified as missing - it's as if this implementation of X can't find the font paths - even though they're specified correctly and issuing (just to make certain):
xset +fp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
xset fp rehash
Makes no difference. I also honestly doubt it could be solved by installing any more font packages.
(This is all from my limited knowledge of the workings of X ^__^;; )
I noticed that this question has also been asked before on this forum, and never satisfactorily answered. It seems like the 'Missing charsets in String to FontSet' problem is here for a while to come yet
Of course, anyone with more knowledge on this, please feel free to come along and correct me/help out
A workaround to avoid the X bug, is to edit the file /etc/sysconfig/locale and set the environment variable LC_ALL and LANG to C. Then, exit and restart X.
export LC_ALL=C
export LANG=C