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Model Specific Forums => Sharp Zaurus => Zaurus - pdaXrom => Topic started by: scoutme on January 25, 2007, 02:43:50 pm
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Ok. We have different "stable" versions of pdaxrom, depending on the hardware. Every version differs A LOT from other. And we have people developing and working for their version. So, we have some apps for some releases, and some for other. And I have not any good reason left to have my zaurus.
I imagine my next step is selling my sl-c860, or letting it on my desk as a paper holder.
I think no one MUST do something; I think one CAN do something, and people should be grateful fot that work. Anyway, I think some more light on REAL project status would be very kind of you all, pdaxrom developers.
I leave, I'm sorry not to have sold my zaurus some months ago; maybe I could buy something else.
I don't want to be simply polemic. I want to be useful.
Hi all.
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Why not try a different distro (OZ, Cacko, etc) instead of giving up on the Z altogether? Pdaxrom is a good one, but it's not the only one
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How can having choices be a bad thing. People are working on different levels. The guys are off developing the next release of pdaxrom - including newer kernel etc....
Meanwhile Meanie has done an excellent job in getting what was beta3 stable and running on 3000 and anyother Cxxxx model. The 860 is already fully supported on beta1/beta3 etc.... And as far as I know all the compiled apps (thanks to lots of different people) are all compatible with beta3 on all hardware.
I'm a daily fan of these forums and pdaxrom is by far the busiest - there is just so much going on. What functionality is missing that people are so eager to have a new release?
The new apps thread have stuff almost daily - just loading and running the new apps and testing them everyday could keep someone keen to have new stuff happy....... and provide useful feedback.
There is even lots of discussions on where to put all this new stuff and managing feeds etc.....
Never mind Antix's web site tracking this stuff too.
I think there are plenty of jobs out there if your keen to help :-)
Just my pennys worth......
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for. Someone told that beta3 is good on 860, so everyone thinks that building apps for beta 3 and 4 is ok for any user. There are news in here today: beta 3 ISN'T stable AT ALL on 860. That's why I'm an extremely sad zaurus user at the moment.
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Scoutme, I think what you are thinking..
After a year of happy pdax user, I change distro!
Pdax is very powa and functional, but needs of user's blood, and often is slow.
At the moment I want something of useful, fast and power (less of pdax, of course, but enought...), so I switch to cacko.
Please, before you sell the best PDA on the world, try cacko.
I have also a wonderful Palm T3, and it is a different thing.
I think that all the people here, like me, can't see them with a windows mobile machine...
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for. Someone told that beta3 is good on 860, so everyone thinks that building apps for beta 3 and 4 is ok for any user. There are news in here today: beta 3 ISN'T stable AT ALL on 860. That's why I'm an extremely sad zaurus user at the moment.
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Have you tried r121? It has a few quirks, but none of them make it unusable. It also supports all of the compiled apps. I haven't had it crash yet on my C3100.
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almost as unusable on 860 as beta 4
no luck
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almost as unusable on 860 as beta 4
no luck
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Hi Scoutme
I have a c760 I was happily using r121 on my 760 for daily mail reading with Sylpheed, Firefox or Dillo web browsing and chat when in wifi hospots. Yes, there are bugs/issues, but I found many are simple to fix and then the Z becomes very usable. The 860 is essentially the same machine as the 760, so maybe you should persevere and apply some of the fixes that are in this forum ?
I have since had hardwre problems with my 760 and have upgraded to c1000, which also runs fine with r121 despite some minor flaws.
Sorearse
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for. Someone told that beta3 is good on 860, so everyone thinks that building apps for beta 3 and 4 is ok for any user. There are news in here today: beta 3 ISN'T stable AT ALL on 860. That's why I'm an extremely sad zaurus user at the moment.
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
my 2 cents :-)
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almost as unusable on 860 as beta 4
no luck
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Hi Scoutme
I have a c760 I was happily using r121 on my 760 for daily mail reading with Sylpheed, Firefox or Dillo web browsing and chat when in wifi hospots. Yes, there are bugs/issues, but I found many are simple to fix and then the Z becomes very usable. The 860 is essentially the same machine as the 760, so maybe you should persevere and apply some of the fixes that are in this forum ?
I have since had hardwre problems with my 760 and have upgraded to c1000, which also runs fine with r121 despite some minor flaws.
Sorearse
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I don't want to buy another zaurus to have a working system
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for. Someone told that beta3 is good on 860, so everyone thinks that building apps for beta 3 and 4 is ok for any user. There are news in here today: beta 3 ISN'T stable AT ALL on 860. That's why I'm an extremely sad zaurus user at the moment.
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
my 2 cents :-)
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well, I'll give another try...
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
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I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability." Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment. Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.
What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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well, I'll give another try...
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That's the spirit!
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
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I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability." Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment. Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.
What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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The PDAXrom user/developer spirit is top-notch but the documentation is decades behind the OZ team.
I don't know what I should do to move Tosa beyond beta1. What's the difference between beta3 and beta1 on the other machines? Are those fixes also applicable to Tosa?
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=152454\")
I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability." Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment. Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.
What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
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What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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(http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=152458\")
I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
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That's a lame excuse. When you find a bug. You should document it and try to fix it, rather than saying try something else.
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=152454\")
I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability." Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment. Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.
What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
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Anyway I will try in beta3 ... thnx for info ...
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I have r121 on bothe my c760 and c860 .... and I've only had 1 crash (after arguably dangerous use on /sys tree) and an odd behaviour after hours of play time on quake. On the whole I'm pretty happy with it .... appart some difficulties in getting some things right on the c860 ... and the missing usb-storage functionality.
In any case if pdaXrom is no go ... and same for the other distros ... drop me a PM I'm intrested in your c860 ;-) .
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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I don't even remember what the differences are between beta1 and beta3. When I got my C1000 and decided on a pdaXrom, I chose beta3 based on what I had read about it. Beta4 came out shortly afterward and I tried that, but went back to beta3 after a couple months.
The issue with accented characters in justreader isn't a missing font, is it? I've been meaning to try justreader, but I haven't been reading many ebooks lately.
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152444\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Actually I was using beta2 on my c860 instead of beta3. I found that the contrast keys didn't work in 3 , and at the time the developers had already moved on to beta4, so I went back. I haven't been able to flash r121 because if a couple of bad blocks (the last time I tried it anyway, several months ago), and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?
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What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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(http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=152458\")
I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152491\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
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That's a lame excuse. When you find a bug. You should document it and try to fix it, rather than saying try something else.
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I'm not the author of justreader. I just tried to use both and decide that fbreader much better.
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How can having choices be a bad thing. People are working on different levels.
In all those years I have been involved in OpenSource projects the "freedom of choice" argument has often been misused and violated by forgetting that at the end of the process there should be available something usable.
Otherwise the resulting thing is nothing but a geeky proof-of-concept which will not pull much attention on it.
Personally I did never understand why eg. this "choice" argument has been using for refraining from joining efforts with OE and some rivalry had been set up instead.
Oliver
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How can having choices be a bad thing. People are working on different levels.
In all those years I have been involved in OpenSource projects the "freedom of choice" argument has often been misused and violated by forgetting that at the end of the process there should be available something usable.
Otherwise the resulting thing is nothing but a geeky proof-of-concept which will not pull much attention on it.
Personally I did never understand why eg. this "choice" argument has been using for refraining from joining efforts with OE and some rivalry had been set up instead.
Oliver
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Well said Oliver ... point to note though, the diff ROMs didn't just start off on day one, with each group deciding to have the different directions, forks etc. Each kinda started off due to different needs at different time. Having said that, I'm totally with you on joining efforts.
My take on choices is that choices are good only when it is among valid working options. If having the resources split results in numerous roms with each almost good enough, while joining resources results in only one or two roms with each running and 'perfect' with their own strengths, I'll choose the latter any day. Currently, we are kinda like the former.
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Just for the records... my take on this freedom of choice thingy as posted over half a year ago:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...42&#entry126142 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19146&st=15&p=126142&#entry126142)
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Just for the records... my take on this freedom of choice thingy as posted over half a year ago:
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...42&#entry126142 (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19146&st=15&p=126142&#entry126142)
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Hehe, I like that one:
...but I'd gladly give up chosing between 10 crappy things when I could just take the one really cool thing out there.
I second that.
Oliver
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well said.
What's preventing OZ/GPE from merging with PdaXrom or the other way around?
My feeling is that the OZ team is a step ahead on the kernel part while PdaXrom team does well on the user land.
Why Uboot v.s. Altboot?
Why PdaXrom soft float v.s. OZ soft float?
Why PdaXrom can't just borrow the OZ kernel and focus on the user land?
As the OZ developers are moving towards Angstrom, can't PdaXrom just take over/merge with OZ GPE 3.5.5? If so then we can have a single bug-tracking system and email list.
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152444\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Actually I was using beta2 on my c860 instead of beta3. I found that the contrast keys didn't work in 3 , and at the time the developers had already moved on to beta4, so I went back. I haven't been able to flash r121 because if a couple of bad blocks (the last time I tried it anyway, several months ago), and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?
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Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability? I can understand that the normal Service and Diag menus available on D+M+reset and D+P+reset respectively are no longer available because I believe the uboot system has overwritten them in the first 7Mb of the NAND. But at least on the C1000, you still have available the backup copies of these menus on Fn+D+M+reset and Fn+D+P+reset resp. and both of these contain the NAND backup and restore options. Is it the case that (some part of?) these don't work? I know for sure that NAND restore on the backup service menu works because I used this to recover from my attempt to use r121 and get back to beta1! Is it that the backup options don't work? or produce unrestorable backups?
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[...] and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152595\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152824\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
To clarify. It is my understanding that you can perform a NAND backup, but while you cannot restore that backup, you can restore other backups (say backups from earlier beta's or Cacko, etc).
Please anyone, update us if I'm wrong.
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[...] and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=152595\")
Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152824\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
To clarify. It is my understanding that you can perform a NAND backup, but while you cannot restore that backup, you can restore other backups (say backups from earlier beta's or Cacko, etc).
Please anyone, update us if I'm wrong.
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That's my understanding.
As a side note, has anybody tried using the script from [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22034]this[/url] thread to mount an r121 backup and get data out of it?
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I've not experimented with nand backup and restore for r121 but I suppose that it may not work dew to the very different flash partition usage.
In any case you can use the emergency system to make backups in many ways:
low level by the use of nandlogical and nanddump on the mtd partitions that can be later restored by nandwrite and nandlogical,
higher level backup by the use of cpio or tar jointly with gzip.
The emergency system can mount both CF and SD/MMC devices so the backup can target any of these devices.
Ok this way you cannot use the D+M management menu to restore but you can still use the emergency system to restore.... or as long as you still have working uboot you could boot from a SD/MMC or CF with what's necessary to restore.
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In any case you can use the emergency system to make backups in many ways:
low level by the use of nandlogical and nanddump on the mtd partitions that can be later restored by nandwrite and nandlogical,
higher level backup by the use of cpio or tar jointly with gzip.
The emergency system can mount both CF and SD/MMC devices so the backup can target any of these devices.
Ok this way you cannot use the D+M management menu to restore but you can still use the emergency system to restore.... or as long as you still have working uboot you could boot from a SD/MMC or CF with what's necessary to restore.
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Ok, you've got me VERY interested. Can you please post a simple step-by-step like you would write for a very small child (so I can understand it ) so I can try it out.
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As a side note, has anybody tried using the script from this (https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22034) thread to mount an r121 backup and get data out of it?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152847\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
I was taking a peek at it myself. Haven't had time to actually do it yet, though.
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I've not experimented with nand backup and restore for r121 but I suppose that it may not work dew to the very different flash partition usage.
In any case you can use the emergency system to make backups in many ways:
low level by the use of nandlogical and nanddump on the mtd partitions that can be later restored by nandwrite and nandlogical,
higher level backup by the use of cpio or tar jointly with gzip.
The emergency system can mount both CF and SD/MMC devices so the backup can target any of these devices.
Ok this way you cannot use the D+M management menu to restore but you can still use the emergency system to restore.... or as long as you still have working uboot you could boot from a SD/MMC or CF with what's necessary to restore.
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Louigi... your on the same page as me... I'm working on putting together an app to do this... from the emergancy console... I haven't touched it to much... but it is a work in progress... IM me on icq next time your on...
Late
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Ok, you've got me VERY interested. Can you please post a simple step-by-step like you would write for a very small child (so I can understand it ) so I can try it out.
I've written a theoretical (not yet tested) way of doing this manually on my homepage.
See the "Documentation" subsection in the "Zaurus" menu (my home page is in the signature). It's not child proof but should be easy to follow.
AS I'VE NOT YET TESTED IT USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
I'll collaborate with Late to try make a child proof backup/restore utility for beta4 and above.
Louigi... your on the same page as me... I'm working on putting together an app to do this... from the emergancy console... I haven't touched it to much... but it is a work in progress... IM me on icq next time your on...
While waiting to get hold of you on ICQ I'll try to test if my theory is functional and persuable.
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I've started testing and immediately found problems ... I'm updating the document while debugging problems ....
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I had catastrophic problems while restoring the root image ... actually lost everything in /dev/mtd2.
So do not use the procedure described in the above link till I get ir right.
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I now have a working procedure ... with some odd things still to be explained ... but it's better then nothing.
Same link as before (my home page, zaurus on the left, documents on the top, r121_system_backup.txt) ... make sure you hit refresh if you had a look at it previously.
BTW: has any one any explanation for the disk usage difference ?
if any one else wants to try ... tell me if you also have slightly different disk usage after the restore (via PM).