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Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 06, 2007, 09:07:34 am
hi
it seems latest (!) angstrom is being uploaded to their web site :

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...mages/20070306/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070306/)

waiting for the spitz directory


edited:
by the way, will there be a "Angtrom" category in oesf or will it be included into an existing one ???

edited:
downloaded, installed and patched (see bottom) : it works!
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Meanie on March 06, 2007, 09:23:53 am
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hi
it seems latest (!) angstrom is being uploaded to their web site :

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...mages/20070306/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070306/)

waiting for the spitz directory


edited:
by the way, will there be a "Angtrom" category in oesf or will it be included into an existing one ???
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well, since angstrom is the future replacement for openzaurus, they could just rename the existing forum or add yet another one
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 06, 2007, 10:52:18 am
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hi
it seems latest (!) angstrom is being uploaded to their web site :

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...mages/20070306/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070306/)

waiting for the spitz directory


edited:
by the way, will there be a "Angtrom" category in oesf or will it be included into an existing one ???
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well, since angstrom is the future replacement for openzaurus, they could just rename the existing forum or add yet another one
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spitz directory created
let's wait for some good stuff  suspense
Title: Angstrom
Post by: danboid on March 07, 2007, 05:11:14 am
Ooohh!

I was only asking about this yesterday but I only just reflashed pdaXii13 on Sunday too so I'm a bit reluctant to get back into 'danboid the OS guinea pig' mode right now.

Anyone tried any of the latest X11 Spitz images yet?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 07, 2007, 06:12:33 am
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Ooohh!

I was only asking about this yesterday but I only just reflashed pdaXii13 on Sunday too so I'm a bit reluctant to get back into 'danboid the OS guinea pig' mode right now.

Anyone tried any of the latest X11 Spitz images yet?
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yeah

well, little trouble after installing latest Angstrom on my c3000 : touchscreen doesn't work ! altough i could calibrate it (so it was responding) ... but as i entered under x it didn't want to work........

i have to do a google help
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jerrybme on March 07, 2007, 01:03:51 pm
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Ooohh!

I was only asking about this yesterday but I only just reflashed pdaXii13 on Sunday too so I'm a bit reluctant to get back into 'danboid the OS guinea pig' mode right now.

Anyone tried any of the latest X11 Spitz images yet?
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yeah

well, little trouble after installing latest Angstrom on my c3000 : touchscreen doesn't work ! altough i could calibrate it (so it was responding) ... but as i entered under x it didn't want to work........

i have to do a google help
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This has been reported in bug report #1898. Didn't see a work around posted...
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ofels on March 07, 2007, 03:03:13 pm
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This has been reported in bug report #1898. Didn't see a work around posted...
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By chance I have been filing that bug.

Workaround is a bit tricky as you will have to disable the zaurusd from looking at the right input event source.
Open a console (which must be done by keyboard or via network if the touchscreen does not work).
Go to /etc/zaurusd and look for the mach-config-vars file.
Change the TSKEYS_CONF entry to /dev/input/event0 or whatever but not to event1

Save and reboot.

This will prevent TSKEYS to lock the input event device which will cause the soft buttons on the right of the screen to stop working properly but at least the touch screen will be functional again.

Alternatively, build your own tslib package with OpenEmbedded by removing the input patch from the bb file.

Oliver
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 07, 2007, 04:29:16 pm
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This has been reported in bug report #1898. Didn't see a work around posted...
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By chance I have been filing that bug.

Workaround is a bit tricky as you will have to disable the zaurusd from looking at the right input event source.
Open a console (which must be done by keyboard or via network if the touchscreen does not work).
Go to /etc/zaurusd and look for the mach-config-vars file.
Change the TSKEYS_CONF entry to /dev/input/event0 or whatever but not to event1

Save and reboot.

This will prevent TSKEYS to lock the input event device which will cause the soft buttons on the right of the screen to stop working properly but at least the touch screen will be functional again.

Alternatively, build your own tslib package with OpenEmbedded by removing the input patch from the bb file.

Oliver
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another quickfix which worked for me:

------ Comment  #5 From Ryan Bloomfield  2007-03-07 11:42:03  [reply] -------

The second line in the /etc/ts.conf file can be modified as a quick fix:

modules_raw input grab_events=1
------------
modules_raw input grab_events=0


i don't know what is the best but at least the quickfix seems to work!!!
now i can go further
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Snappy on March 07, 2007, 06:37:33 pm
No offense, but it seems like everytime there is a new build of OZ or in this case Angstrom, something fundamental is broken. How is this so?

It's like having mouse/keyboard support broken whenever you try a new version of windows. Ok, that does not happen, but you get the idea.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 07, 2007, 07:33:11 pm
I see your point and totally understand where you are coming, but to be fair it was in the unstable folder.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: adf on March 07, 2007, 07:56:39 pm
I have as much hope for oz oe openmoko as anyone.  but; to be fair; there hasn"t been anything in "stable" in what...4 years?.  It is all experimental (except hopefully openmoko). which is ok-- it drives development, keeps the devs happy; is free; etc.  but saying it was unstable is pretty much the same as saying it was OZ.

now; the important suff-- tell us about the kernel--speed? compatibility?  any other bits of interest? resource alloction? gui stuff? software ?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 07, 2007, 11:59:31 pm
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hi
it seems latest (!) angstrom is being uploaded to their web site :

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...mages/20070306/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070306/)

waiting for the spitz directory


edited:
by the way, will there be a "Angtrom" category in oesf or will it be included into an existing one ???

edited:
downloaded, installed and patched (see bottom) : it works!
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Could you tell me which files you used in the spitz folder to install this build? I looked in the Angstrom wiki and I could only find Akita install instructions.

Using the OZ Spitz install guide as a reference I see that I need:
updater.sh.spitz
zImage-2.6.20-spitz-20070306150353.bin
gnu-tar

after that I get confused.  OZ says to grab a rootfs.tar.gz file.  Well, the Angstrom spitz folder has four choices for that so, which one is it?  I think the fun GUI stuff will be in the X11 images.  Is that right?  If it is then we are down to two different files so, is it:

x11-image-spitz.tar.gz or Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070306-spitz.rootfs.tar.gz

Finally, do you know what the  Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070306-spitz.rootfs.jffs2 and  Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070306-spitz.rootfs.ext2 are for?  Are they just same as the .tar.gz file only encapsalted differently?

Thanks for your help.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: danboid on March 08, 2007, 02:46:32 am
I can think of a whole stack of things that work under pdaX that didn't work under OZ- is this test release of Angstrom any different? Here's a list of features I'm hoping for in Angstrom- I'd be grateful if someone who's already installed could tell me which ones are in already and which I'll have to wait for:

* GUI card manager - for turning off wifi and ejecting cards

* Working MP3/OGG player. Does XMMS work in double size mode now or is there another good player that works?

* Accelerated mplayer which can play movies @ 320x240 at 25/30fps as well as 640x480 best it can - this should be in now from what I've read

* Support for over/under clocking via a GUI tool

* Working, graphical package manager

* 'USB Settings' style app to choose what the USB link does (Internal MD, SD or CF link up)

* Support for timezones/locales other than Berlin

* A working UK (and other locations) keymap - can I do a £ sign on the internal keyboard like under cacko (Fn+P)?

* Keymap selector and working keymaps for USB keyboards (didn't get to check for this last time I tried)

* Screen blanking applet (I can't remember if GPE had one in 2.7 as I never got a music player working well enough to have a need for this)


When all those fundamental features are working then I'll be wanting a bunch of apps added to the Angstrom repositories, which of course I'll try to do myself if nobody else wants them. They are

Ted
Streamtuner
Chibitracker (I think Micky has already wrote the bb scripts for this?)
SpiralSynthModular
amule
goobox
Jokosher, qtractor or Traverso

We know that the Z is capable of recording uncompressed 16-bit wav files as we've seen this with KHdRecord but I'm wondering if it will be able to handle very basic multitrack recording under Jokosher, qtractor or Traverso? If its got enough umph to playback a mono 16-bit wav file and record another over the top of that I'll be a very happy man! I've not got to try this yet as those apps require ALSA and hence a 2.6 kernel.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 08, 2007, 07:59:51 am
little howto so far:

1) go http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20070306/spitz/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070306/spitz/)

2) get and rename :

Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070306-spitz.rootfs.tar.gz -> hdimage1.tgz
gnu-tar
updater.sh.spitz -> update.sh
zImage-2.6.20-spitz-20070306150353.bin -> zImage.bin

3) flash as usual

4) openmoko will boot, enter user, calibrate

5) open a terminal window, use the keyboard for that

5) modify the lines in the /etc/ts.conf file :

modules_raw input grab_events=1 -> modules_raw input grab_events=0
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 08, 2007, 03:22:33 pm
jpmatrix thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 09, 2007, 12:43:28 am
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jpmatrix thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
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Sounds like we might see Angstom in Sunday.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 09, 2007, 02:19:33 am
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jpmatrix thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
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Sounds like we might see Angstom in Sunday.
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i hope you'll help me:
i cannot go any further with angstrom because i'm unable to have my belkin bluetooth cf card to work with it...and i need it to do dialup networking with my phone...
Title: Angstrom
Post by: danboid on March 09, 2007, 07:37:18 am
I just tried installing the latest Angstrom test release on my c3100 but I've been unable to get wifi going.

It doesn't like my PLANEX GW-CF11X- dmesg says it is missing the primary firmware. I'm sure people must've requested support for this card in OZ many times before as it seems to be quite popular. Will Angstrom (and OZ) never support these cards for legal reasons? It works fine under pdaXrom and Sharp/cacko.

I've got another CF wifi card which cacko identifies as a 'Senao'- its Prism2 based I think and the light on this CF card blinks when I insert it under Angstrom but choosing Settings/ Network Setup from the GPE menu just shows a clock cursor then nothing happens.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 09, 2007, 07:44:22 am
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I just tried installing the latest Angstrom test release on my c3100 but I've been unable to get wifi going.

It doesn't like my PLANEX GW-CF11X- dmesg says it is missing the primary firmware. I'm sure people must've requested support for this card in OZ many times before as it seems to be quite popular. Will Angstrom (and OZ) never support these cards for legal reasons? It works fine under pdaXrom and Sharp/cacko.

I've got another CF wifi card which cacko identifies as a 'Senao'- its Prism2 based I think and the light on this CF card blinks when I insert it under Angstrom but choosing Settings/ Network Setup from the GPE menu just shows a clock cursor then nothing happens.
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yeah apparently many menu items seem to be phantom... usb settings does the same thing... so no usb - pc link and more important usb host doesn't seem to work (at least my bt usb dongle didn't lit...)
perhaps we should try the angstrom-distro-users mailing list to have more answers to our questions :

[a href=\"http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/]http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/[/url]
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 09, 2007, 10:36:23 am
This isn't looking promising.  

I'm still in the process of backing up my 3200 MD.  Had trouble finding somewhere with enough space (long story) and I don't have a bluetooth card or adapter so, I won't be much help there.  

I do have three WIFI cards that I will test with:

Symbol Spectrum24
Buffalo AirStation wli2-cf-s11 (Prism 2 or 2.5)
SanDisk Connect Plus (Damn freaky card )

I have had very good experiences with the Buffalo.  The Symbol can be a bit tricky at times but, I usually can get it to work.  I have never gotten the SanDisk to work.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 09, 2007, 01:39:31 pm
Thanks for the link to the Angstrom mail lists.  While I was waiting for my copy to finish, I found out that jfss2 images on the image are for a Internal flash install on a Spitz model.  I think I try that one instead of the microdrive install.  A pure microdrive install under Hentges was slower for most tasks than Cacko is in internal flash for me.  Also then I don't have repartition my MD which is bonus for me since I have a feeling I may not have a long stopover in Angstrom right now.  I'll keep you posted on my results.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 09, 2007, 02:10:14 pm
So much for that idea.    

That bird blew up on take off.    

After the Flash Updater erases the flash and the kernel starts loading I get a warning then **BOOM** a kernel panic right after it frees up the init memory.

Code: [Select]
Waiting 1sec before mounting root device...
kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal
EXT3-fs: recovery complete.
EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem).
Freeing init memory: 80K
Warning: unable to open an initial console.
Kernel panic - not synching: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.

To me it looks like it is trying to mount the root on the MD so the JFFS2 method isn't working the way I expected.  Looks like I need to repartition the MD after all and I'm not going to get a NAND install either.  Crud!  I was hoping to be lazy.  
Title: Angstrom
Post by: zaurick on March 09, 2007, 04:51:29 pm
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I just tried installing the latest Angstrom test release on my c3100 but I've been unable to get wifi going.

It doesn't like my PLANEX GW-CF11X- dmesg says it is missing the primary firmware. I'm sure people must've requested support for this card in OZ many times before as it seems to be quite popular. Will Angstrom (and OZ) never support these cards for legal reasons? It works fine under pdaXrom and Sharp/cacko.

I've got another CF wifi card which cacko identifies as a 'Senao'- its Prism2 based I think and the light on this CF card blinks when I insert it under Angstrom but choosing Settings/ Network Setup from the GPE menu just shows a clock cursor then nothing happens.
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yeah apparently many menu items seem to be phantom... usb settings does the same thing... so no usb - pc link and more important usb host doesn't seem to work (at least my bt usb dongle didn't lit...)
perhaps we should try the angstrom-distro-users mailing list to have more answers to our questions :

[a href=\"http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/]http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/[/url]
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I'm running angstrom too on my c3000 and ,i have the same problem.

No touchscreen => resolved by edit ts.conf
No USB => modprobe ohci-hcd (not loaded at boot)
Most of program in the setting directory doesnt start (when i try that in console i get an error that
the libesd.so.0 library is missing).

I dont see that in the bugtracker , then i don't know if i have done something wrong or if it is a bug.

I have tried to compile angstrom myself with OE but it stop at File-native-4.20 package:
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| softmagic.c: In function `mprint':
| softmagic.c:478: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
| softmagic.c: In function `magiccheck':
| softmagic.c:1529: error: `REG_STARTEND' undeclared (first use in this function)
| softmagic.c:1529: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
| softmagic.c:1529: error: for each function it appears in.)
| make[2]: *** [softmagic.lo] Erreur 1
| make[2]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20/src'
| make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
| make[1]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20'
| make: *** [all] Erreur 2
| FATAL: oe_runmake failed
NOTE: Task failed: /stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/temp/log.do_compile.13140
NOTE: package file-native-4.20-r0: task do_compile: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package file-native-4.20: failed
ERROR: Build of angstrom-console-image failed
It's the same OE environment that i used to build OZ with no problem in debian.

Maybe, i will wait for a new binary release.
Angstrom seems to be really fast on my c3000 and i like that !

Thanks
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 09, 2007, 05:39:47 pm
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Most of program in the setting directory doesnt start (when i try that in console i get an error that
the libesd.so.0 library is missing).

I dont see that in the bugtracker , then i don't know if i have done something wrong or if it is a bug.

I have tried to compile angstrom myself with OE but it stop at File-native-4.20 package:
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| softmagic.c: In function `mprint':
| softmagic.c:478: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
| softmagic.c: In function `magiccheck':
| softmagic.c:1529: error: `REG_STARTEND' undeclared (first use in this function)
| softmagic.c:1529: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
| softmagic.c:1529: error: for each function it appears in.)
| make[2]: *** [softmagic.lo] Erreur 1
| make[2]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20/src'
| make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
| make[1]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20'
| make: *** [all] Erreur 2
| FATAL: oe_runmake failed
NOTE: Task failed: /stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/temp/log.do_compile.13140
NOTE: package file-native-4.20-r0: task do_compile: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package file-native-4.20: failed
ERROR: Build of angstrom-console-image failed
It's the same OE environment that i used to build OZ with no problem in debian.

Maybe, i will wait for a new binary release.
Angstrom seems to be really fast on my c3000 and i like that !

Thanks
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would you try to install this:
[a href=\"http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libesd0_20070109-r0_armv5te.ipk]http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-r0_armv5te.ipk[/url]
Title: Angstrom
Post by: zaurick on March 10, 2007, 04:47:37 am
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Most of program in the setting directory doesnt start (when i try that in console i get an error that
the libesd.so.0 library is missing).

I dont see that in the bugtracker , then i don't know if i have done something wrong or if it is a bug.

I have tried to compile angstrom myself with OE but it stop at File-native-4.20 package:
Code: [Select]
| softmagic.c: In function `mprint':
| softmagic.c:478: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
| softmagic.c: In function `magiccheck':
| softmagic.c:1529: error: `REG_STARTEND' undeclared (first use in this function)
| softmagic.c:1529: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
| softmagic.c:1529: error: for each function it appears in.)
| make[2]: *** [softmagic.lo] Erreur 1
| make[2]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20/src'
| make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
| make[1]: Leaving directory `/stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/file-4.20'
| make: *** [all] Erreur 2
| FATAL: oe_runmake failed
NOTE: Task failed: /stuff/tmp/work/i686-linux/file-native-4.20-r0/temp/log.do_compile.13140
NOTE: package file-native-4.20-r0: task do_compile: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package file-native-4.20: failed
ERROR: Build of angstrom-console-image failed
It's the same OE environment that i used to build OZ with no problem in debian.

Maybe, i will wait for a new binary release.
Angstrom seems to be really fast on my c3000 and i like that !

Thanks
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would you try to install this:
[a href=\"http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libesd0_20070109-r0_armv5te.ipk]http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-r0_armv5te.ipk[/url]
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Thanks jpmatrix
it work now, i have to install this one too for package-manager to work
[a href=\"http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libpcre0_4.4-r7_armv5te.ipk]http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-r7_armv5te.ipk[/url]
and i have found no way to build Angstrom with OE by myself for now.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: bam on March 10, 2007, 02:13:58 pm
is it just me or is useability fo oz/angstrom becoming.......less.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ofels on March 10, 2007, 04:10:33 pm
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is it just me or is useability fo oz/angstrom becoming.......less.
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It is just you. Because usabiltiy can only be judged by a look at a stable version.
Those images are coming from the unstable branch.  

Oliver
Title: Angstrom
Post by: adf on March 10, 2007, 08:41:23 pm
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is it just me or is useability fo oz/angstrom becoming.......less.
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It is just you. Because usabiltiy can only be judged by a look at a stable version.
Those images are coming from the unstable branch.  

Oliver
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very funny!
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 12, 2007, 07:12:03 am
hi
so did someone actually tried angstrom this weekend ?
i was so disappointed about not succedding in having bluetooth dialup networking working that i switched to latest openbsd 4.1 beta

to the forum webmasters:
what is the best forum category to continue our angstrom discussions?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on March 12, 2007, 02:09:57 pm
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what is the best forum category to continue our angstrom discussions?
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The angstrom-users mailinglist
Title: Angstrom
Post by: speculatrix on March 22, 2007, 06:24:58 pm
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what is the best forum category to continue our angstrom discussions?
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The angstrom-users mailinglist
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ok, just two questions about angstrom.
1/ will it have a good web browser?
2/ will OZ be dropped?
3/ will there be an effort to have good documentation ready for when it goes stable?

Ok, I lied, there were three questions.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Mickeyl on March 22, 2007, 07:56:03 pm
1) Depends on your actual OS-flavour, but I expect all X-based desktops to gain a current version of Gdk/Webkit eventually.

2) Angstrom supports all 2.6-based Zaurus models.

3) I sincerely hope so, yeah.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 23, 2007, 07:08:59 am
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1/ will it have a good web browser?
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firefox 2.0 is in the feeds !
[a href=\"http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/firefox_2.0.0.1-r1_armv5te.ipk]http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...-r1_armv5te.ipk[/url]

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2/ will OZ be dropped?

i've read that angstrom IS the openzaurus successor, oz 3.5.5 will be the last version
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 23, 2007, 08:23:44 am
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i've read that angstrom IS the openzaurus successor, oz 3.5.5 will be the last version
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From reading irc logs frequented by OE people I've found similar information.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 27, 2007, 12:25:18 pm
another release seems to be out !

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20070325/spitz/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070325/spitz/)

download in progress
Title: Angstrom
Post by: HoloVector on March 27, 2007, 01:10:05 pm
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another release seems to be out !

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20070325/spitz/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070325/spitz/)

download in progress
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I wonder why the Akita only gets the console image and not the X11 image like Spitz and c7x0?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 27, 2007, 01:27:49 pm
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another release seems to be out !

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20070325/spitz/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070325/spitz/)

download in progress
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I wonder why the Akita only gets the console image and not the X11 image like Spitz and c7x0?
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it's probably the same one ... but who knows....
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on March 27, 2007, 02:41:03 pm
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another release seems to be out !

http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta...20070325/spitz/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20070325/spitz/)

download in progress
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I wonder why the Akita only gets the console image and not the X11 image like Spitz and c7x0?
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it's probably the same one ... but who knows....
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try asking on the mailinglist
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 27, 2007, 04:15:35 pm
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try asking on the mailinglist

Done. Thanks.
Posted to: angstrom-distro-users@linuxtogo.org
Would it have made more sense to post to the dev list?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: speculatrix on March 27, 2007, 05:16:03 pm
are there any comparitive benchmarks of OZ, Angstrom and Cacko (not sure what common app might do, mplayer?)

 I'd be really interested if A gives a real speed boost in user mode and not just kernel.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on March 28, 2007, 03:16:41 pm
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try asking on the mailinglist

Done. Thanks.
Posted to: angstrom-distro-users@linuxtogo.org
Would it have made more sense to post to the dev list?
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Do users or developers build the images?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on March 28, 2007, 03:17:53 pm
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are there any comparitive benchmarks of OZ, Angstrom and Cacko (not sure what common app might do, mplayer?)

 I'd be really interested if A gives a real speed boost in user mode and not just kernel.
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It saves a byteswap for every floating point operation, but that's probably neglible compared to the amount of instructions needed to emulate them.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: stormer on March 28, 2007, 04:17:55 pm
Is the akita version the best for a C3100?

I haven't flashed my Z in almost a week, getting twitchy!
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on March 28, 2007, 04:53:35 pm
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Is the akita version the best for a C3100?
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no, the spitz version, akita is for microdrive-less pxa270 models.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 28, 2007, 05:52:48 pm
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Do users or developers build the images?
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Fair enough.
I guess I tend to err on the side of caution. I don't like to sign up for dev lists unless I know what I'll be asking is dev-relevant. I would rather not waist their time.
This time, it would appear, it's relevant.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: fpp on March 29, 2007, 01:36:33 pm
Is the version for the Nokia 770 updated too ?...
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Antikx on March 29, 2007, 03:07:31 pm
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I wonder why the Akita only gets the console image and not the X11 image like Spitz and c7x0?
FYI: There seems to be a X11 test image in there now.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 31, 2007, 03:12:27 pm
hi
i've grabbed all files from angstrom unstable feed, put them on a sdcard and i would like to modify ipkg.conf to look inside the directory of the sd...
simple but if fails.... what is the correct syntax of ipkg.conf for a directory???

i tried:
feedsd file:/media/card/feed
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on March 31, 2007, 04:06:42 pm
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feedsd file:///mnt/card/feed
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on March 31, 2007, 04:30:32 pm
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it was the first i tried and it didn't work either..
i'll try again with latest 20070331 build of angstrom

looking in the bugs page (http://bugs.openembedded.org/) it seems some have their bluetooth cf card working with some tweaking. i'd to try
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on April 01, 2007, 04:08:40 am
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it was the first i tried and it didn't work either..
i'll try again with latest 20070331 build of angstrom

looking in the bugs page (http://bugs.openembedded.org/) it seems some have their bluetooth cf card working with some tweaking. i'd to try
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Note that you don't have to reflash to 'update' to a newer snapshot. 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' is enough. It's also a good idea to upgrade before filing a bug, since people are uploading fixed packages all the time.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 01, 2007, 09:22:13 am
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Note that you don't have to reflash to 'update' to a newer snapshot. 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' is enough. It's also a good idea to upgrade before filing a bug, since people are uploading fixed packages all the time.
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great!
would you give us how far from the stable version is the actual realease (specially for spitz;) ? it 'd be great to have a current state
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on April 01, 2007, 09:54:14 am
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Note that you don't have to reflash to 'update' to a newer snapshot. 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' is enough. It's also a good idea to upgrade before filing a bug, since people are uploading fixed packages all the time.
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great!
would you give us how far from the stable version is the actual realease (specially for spitz;) ? it 'd be great to have a current state
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I'm waiting for the OZ people to decide if they are going to do a OZ release or not. If not, angstrom will go in release mode and only fix bugs and not add new features. If they do decide to do a release angstrom will go into release mode after the OZ release hits the streets.
To answer your original question: It's stable, but unpolished. The images contain a barebones systems where you can install your favourite apps from the preconfigured feeds.

For the uptime-geeks:

ipaq h2200:
root@h2200:~# uptime
 13:51:39 up 46 days, 16:18,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00

neo1973 phone:
root@fic-gta01:~$ uptime
 13:51:43 up 11 days, 23:40,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 02, 2007, 06:22:57 am
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i find the correct syntax:


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src/gz filesd file:///media/card/angstrom/feed


now it works!
Title: Angstrom
Post by: adf on April 02, 2007, 10:10:25 pm
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it was the first i tried and it didn't work either..
i'll try again with latest 20070331 build of angstrom

looking in the bugs page (http://bugs.openembedded.org/) it seems some have their bluetooth cf card working with some tweaking. i'd to try
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Note that you don't have to reflash to 'update' to a newer snapshot. 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' is enough. It's also a good idea to upgrade before filing a bug, since people are uploading fixed packages all the time.
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Yeah..about that...  How is the Neo Coming along?!  What are your impressions?  I suspect a lot of us would be interested to hear about it (in another thread, of course)
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 22, 2007, 06:50:56 am
I am a bit confused: under  http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta.../c7x0/20070401/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/c7x0/20070401/)
there are many different image files. Which one is that?
I am trying to use uboot
The installation instructions on the Angstrom site says different things from what are in the feed.
Also i am trying to access the wiki and bitbake manual. Both are down.
The OE User Manual is also incomplete (the PDF is only 15 pages with many sections empty).
Title: Angstrom
Post by: xjqian on April 22, 2007, 08:28:58 am
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I am a bit confused: under  http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unsta.../c7x0/20070401/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/c7x0/20070401/)
there are many different image files. Which one is that?
I am trying to use uboot
The installation instructions on the Angstrom site says different things from what are in the feed.
Also i am trying to access the wiki and bitbake manual. Both are down.
The OE User Manual is also incomplete (the PDF is only 15 pages with many sections empty).
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Angstrom-console-image-test-20070401-c7x0.rootfs.ext2 == console-image-c7x0.ext2
Angstrom-console-image-test-20070401-c7x0.rootfs.jffs2 == console-image-c7x0.jffs2
Angstrom-console-image-test-20070401-c7x0.rootfs.summary.jffs2
Angstrom-console-image-test-20070401-c7x0.rootfs.tar.gz == console-image-c7x0.tar.gz

Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070402-c7x0.rootfs.ext2 == x11-image-c7x0.ext2
Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070402-c7x0.rootfs.jffs2 == x11-image-c7x0.jffs2
Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070402-c7x0.rootfs.summary.jffs2
Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070402-c7x0.rootfs.tar.gz == x11-image-c7x0.tar.gz

modules-2.6.20-c7x0.tgz
updater.sh.c7x0
zImage-2.6.20-c7x0-20070330105240.bin == zImage-c7x0.bin

1. rename updater.sh.c7x0 to updater.sh
2. rename zImage-c7x0.bin to zImage.bin
3. rename any jffs2 file to initrd.bin
4. put updater.sh, zImage.bin, initrd.bin at the root of a vfat SD or CF card and flash away

btw, I guess the duplicated packages are for internal house-keeping convenience. I have no idea about *.summary.jffs2
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 23, 2007, 03:14:06 am
Thanks!

Created a uboot image and flashed and tried to boot with the pdaXrom bootloader. No go.
Just flashed anew into the 20070422 build.
Initial impression: it's quite neat.
The setup tools can load now, unlike the 20070401 build.
Just curious: what's the use of the "modules-2.6.20(.6)-c7x0.tgz"? It's not mentioned in the documentation.
Need to play further. Never tried OZ before.
Just wanna feel what it is, compared to pdaXrom.  
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 23, 2007, 06:49:35 am
*** My initial comments of the latest 20070422 build of Angstrom (purely from a non-technical, non-power user perspective) ***

Here are some very very superficial unorganized remarks. I am completely new to OE systems and OZ, so pardon me for my ignorance and shallow understanding.

1) Installation
Installation is done in a breeze. Just the usual OK mode flashing.

2) Upgradability
A very cool thing is like Sharp rom, upgrading won't wipe the flash clean; the base system and settings are intact, unlike pdaX ... #angry

3) Non-root user setup
Upon the first boot, there is a non-root user account setup page. That's great. I can always use root to do things in the "Root shell".

4) General feel
Overall speed and responsiveness are both good.

5) Interface
The GPE interface is neat, although some windows and menus are too small to see. But I suppose there are ways to change them.

6) Screen rotate
Screen rotate works very well.

7) System utilities
The complete set of system setting utilities:
Date/Time setup, Login setup, Look and Feel, Network setup, Network shield (firewalling), Owner Information, PC/CF Cards (card manager), Keys and Buttons (to assign the big application keys and [1]~[4]), Package Manager, Panel Manager, Serial Ports (with Console and even GPS settings!!), Sleep Config, Sound Settings, USB Settings (ethernet, storage, serial port modes), User Access, User Manager, Screen Setup.  
Things are very complete and right in place.

8) Suspend/resume
Suspend/resume work very well.

9) Power consumption
Battery seems to last much longer than r197.

10) Package Manger
The Package Manager is ready to go with preset feeds. (How come have the pdaX devs never changed the unusable feed locations? #um1  )

11) Taskbar
The taskbar applets (not much different from the matchbox applets in pdaX) seem working.
The taskbar can be hidden, leaving a slender bar at the bottom; tapping it will call up the taskbar again, just like in XFCE. Matchbox should have this.

12) Feeds
The feed(s) looks huge and quite adequate for basic use.
The base system is of the "vanilla" kind; I need more time to test it with other packages I use in pdaXrom.
Still not certain about the compatibility of the packages: can Angstrom use Sharp rom and Opie packages?


*** Things i am looking forward to seeing ***
1) Chinese support!!
Very important to me and all Chinese users: Chinese support.
I have yet to figure out how to add fonts and inputmethods. But there are already quite a number of Chinese locales in the feeds, so i suspect using Chinese shouldn't be impossible.

2) Keymapping
There should be an easy way to config/remap the keys. Still looking into the keymap files in /etc/X11/.  The Menu key is not mapped to open up the Main Menu; the "/" key is by default ",", which is not very handy

3) Connectivity
My Symbol Spectrum24 Cf Wifi card is automatically detected and loaded with eth0. Nice. But i have yet to set up a wireless connection yet as dhcpcd seems missing, or maybe it's in some extar package.
I will also try my seldomly used Anycom bluetooth CF on it.

4) Development environment
Native toolchain and compilation environment: clear instructions, pointers, examples, how-tos, packaging guides.

5) Documentation
A set of full-blown documentation and new user walkthrough are as important as the system itself.

That's that for now. Will keep exploring a bit and add more for sure.
I have grown tired of tweaking and hacking so much just to get a basically usable system. I am just an ordinary user and have my holy real life. What i want is usability, stability and productivity, and i am not of the type who take great pride in my geeky ego.

Anyhow, thanks to the OE and OZ people for the efforts.
Angstrom seems to have come a long way.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 23, 2007, 09:11:14 am
Just recalled that Meanie's has written two great articles related to OZ

Alternate Distros:
http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/distros.html)

Customizing OZ:
http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom-oz.html (http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom-oz.html)

They were written on OZ 3.5.4.1. I would like to see how many things discussed there are improved in Angstrom, if i have enough leisure time to play with it ...  
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 24, 2007, 03:25:52 am
Angstrom fails to resume from suspend on many occasion on 860.
The problem of date reverting back to 1970 persists as in the newer versions of pdaXrom.
And can't see much useful documentation to start with ...
Ready to flash to something else ...  
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on April 24, 2007, 04:19:49 am
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Angstrom fails to resume from suspend on many occasion on 860.
The problem of date reverting back to 1970 persists as in the newer versions of pdaXrom.
And can't see much useful documentation to start with ...
Ready to flash to something else ... 
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Actually, it doesn't fail to resume from suspend, I've had this issue with OZ too.

What happens is that it resumes, but the screen is blank. If you resume, then don't see nothing, you should use the Fn-4 key combo and increase the screen resolution.

It's got something to do with the setting, it has a suspend timer and a screen dim timer, somehow if you have screen dim lower than suspend timer, it often does this. Took me a while to figure out. Now I just disable screen dim, just leave suspend on and works no prob.

The date reverts back to 1970 only on user reboot - i.e. if you pull the battery out. If you reboot via a reboot command, it's fine.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 24, 2007, 06:23:11 am
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3) Connectivity
My Symbol Spectrum24 Cf Wifi card is automatically detected and loaded with eth0. Nice. But i have yet to set up a wireless connection yet as dhcpcd seems missing, or maybe it's in some extar package.
I will also try my seldomly used Anycom bluetooth CF on it.


i think you'll have problems running your bluetooth card... look at this bug report:

http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2066 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2066)

at least my Belkin BT CF doens't want to work.......
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on April 24, 2007, 08:21:05 am
Using the solution in the abovementioned bug report I'm using an Anycom CF BT card "just fine".
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 24, 2007, 08:29:40 am
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Using the solution in the abovementioned bug report I'm using an Anycom CF BT card "just fine".
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Thank you for your tips, ShiroiKuma and jpmatrix! Will give them a try.
But frankly i think it may not be a good idea to require the user to read through the bug reports in order to get the system "just working". All the basic settings stuff should appear in a introduction/tutorial/quickstart document for a common user.
And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience.  
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on April 24, 2007, 08:40:00 am
I know what you're saying and I'm with you on this. I'm also very interested in the Debian, if I can get the compiled kernel for a 3200 I'll test it.

That said, Angstrom is really stable, and rock solid for usage, if you figure out the little caveats, like the bluetooth stuff above, I spent literally a number of weeks trying to get it done. There are no docs cause it's still in the pre-launch development phase.

Compared with pdaXrom though it's blazing fast.

I've used pdaXrom for some time and wasn't happy, Angstrom is much faster, that's why it's much more useable on the Z. And it's got GCC 4.1.2 which works natively on the Z.

However there are downsides, like the Firefox just doesn't work, fails silently etc.

Maybe this debian would be a better deal... And since it's EABI it should be as fast as Angstrom.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Chero on April 24, 2007, 09:10:27 am
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And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: speculatrix on April 24, 2007, 09:33:07 am
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That said, Angstrom is really stable, and rock solid for usage, if you figure out the little caveats, like the bluetooth stuff above, I spent literally a number of weeks trying to get it done. There are no docs cause it's still in the pre-launch development phase.
.snip.
I've used pdaXrom for some time and wasn't happy, Angstrom is much faster, that's why it's much more useable on the Z. And it's got GCC 4.1.2 which works natively on the Z.
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In theory, for s/w projects, documentation should start before the first line of code is written.

In my experience as a developer, documentation always takes second place to the fun part of doing new things even when being paid for it; the OZ/Angstrom guys are developers and volunteers, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for documentation! What OZ/Angstrom guys need to do is appoint someone to write the *skeleton* of a manual using a wiki (much like Antikz's general zaurus manual) and then ordinary users can contribute - it's the only way to get a consistent and coherent document!

BTW, for people on kernel 2.4 distros there's been a native gcc sdk version gcc2.95 for a long time, it's a cramfs image.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 24, 2007, 09:37:41 am
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And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.
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Isn't it your (and most common users') dream, too?    

Definitely user-friendliness is the key for one to be successful.
Given that everything in the system is in place (including X and keymap), Debian will surely have great potential to be the one. At least there should be no shortage of *working* and *useful* packages, and most differences can be reduced to a matter of different architecture.
So i see Debian EABI and OpenBSD as more genuine "joining efforts" in this way.

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
Yet on top of it we also want something standard, up-to-date and with good performance.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: speculatrix on April 24, 2007, 09:48:16 am
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Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
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I wouldn't call sharp rom the most stable; it's probably the most complete system, and the most mature.  It's also not the most open (given sharp proprietary kernel modules) either.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 24, 2007, 10:19:49 am
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Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
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I wouldn't call sharp rom the most stable; it's probably the most complete system, and the most mature.  It's also not the most open (given sharp proprietary kernel modules) either.
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well, let's do a little flashback :
(i'm talking about the C3000)

-first we had the Sharp ROM, good rom, stable enough, some good and working software but no real evolution despite some sharp rom releases

-then we could put Pocketworkstation on it, simili-debian emulation, whow! , but damned slowwwww

-then cacko, but difficult to install on a C3000

-then OpenZaurus, working great on the C3000, but stuck to a unfinished version

-then alleluia pdaXii13 (thanks again master Meanie!)


but all that stuck to kernel 2.4 on the C3000

-then we could try the alternates Angstrom and OpenBSD, into which i'm really hesitating  right now i'm flashing back and forth from A to O, trying to find the first which will accept to do bluetooth dialup networking

i didn't heard about Debian EABI before today! (i'm used to have Deb on my desktop PC not a long time ago...) . That would be a dream come true

so keep up the good work ! zaurus is not dead !


to come back to the topic with Angstrom, i'm a little angry your bluetooth card works with it and not mine....... grrrrrrrr... anyway i'd try the latest 20070422 build to see if it helps....
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Chero on April 24, 2007, 10:37:45 am
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And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.
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Isn't it your (and most common users') dream, too?    

Definitely user-friendliness is the key for one to be successful.
Given that everything in the system is in place (including X and keymap), Debian will surely have great potential to be the one. At least there should be no shortage of *working* and *useful* packages, and most differences can be reduced to a matter of different architecture.
So i see Debian EABI and OpenBSD as more genuine "joining efforts" in this way.

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
Yet on top of it we also want something standard, up-to-date and with good performance.
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Yes it is,
All I was trying to say that debian EABI for zaurus isn't there yet. I sure hope it will be there soon (something like "what about yesterday ?")  

Chero.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 24, 2007, 11:58:14 am
well well well...
i've just flashed to angstrom latest and i'm running into screen calibration trouble.......
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on April 24, 2007, 12:29:27 pm
What's the trouble?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 24, 2007, 01:08:52 pm
After screen calibration then the pointer does not point where you click...Impossible to use then.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ShiroiKuma on April 24, 2007, 01:12:19 pm
Does it move at all, or does it not move at all?
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 24, 2007, 01:32:04 pm
It moves but not where you click...
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jerrybme on April 24, 2007, 10:25:38 pm
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It moves but not where you click...
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I just upgraded to new image and found the same thing. Filed bug report:

[a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139]http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139[/url]

Cheers,
Jerry
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Da_Blitz on April 25, 2007, 12:39:53 am
just tried angstrom as well and i would say that the touchscreen is rotated 90 degrees rather than eratic (20070422)

im getting the backlight problem as well but i am just fiddling with it at the moment so its easy to ssh in and turn the backlight back on
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 25, 2007, 06:31:19 am
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It moves but not where you click...
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I just upgraded to new image and found the same thing. Filed bug report:

[a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139]http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139[/url]

Cheers,
Jerry
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ok
did you find a quick way to solve this problem ???
perhaps taking the /etc/pointercal of previous version???
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 25, 2007, 02:59:40 pm
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It moves but not where you click...
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I just upgraded to new image and found the same thing. Filed bug report:

[a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139]http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139[/url]

Cheers,
Jerry
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ok
did you find a quick way to solve this problem ???
perhaps taking the /etc/pointercal of previous version???
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gotcha!
i installed previous angstrom build then i saved my /etc/pointercal
then i installed latest angstrom build (20070422) and i copied back my backup pointercal and voila!
stylus is now working good
i don't know if anybody can use my pointercal settings...
Title: Angstrom
Post by: koen on April 25, 2007, 04:20:48 pm
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i don't know if anybody can use my pointercal settings...
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Please add it to [a href=\"http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromPointercals]http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromPointercals[/url]
Title: Angstrom
Post by: jpmatrix on April 25, 2007, 04:39:18 pm
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i don't know if anybody can use my pointercal settings...
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Please add it to [a href=\"http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromPointercals]http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromPointercals[/url]
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done.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: Da_Blitz on April 25, 2007, 08:27:35 pm
thanks for that
Title: Angstrom
Post by: ZDevil on April 29, 2007, 07:45:39 am
I wonder if there will be a kernel compiled for running rootfs off SD.
Thinking of booting Angstrom and Debian EABI on SD.
Thanks in advance!
Title: Angstrom
Post by: agosine on May 04, 2007, 01:28:31 pm
Which old version will allow me to boot and create my own pointercal file?  I have tried everyone posted and either it never lets me log in or the pointer is all jumpy.

I did try using the numbers posted by another user, but the calibration is still too off on my device.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you.
Title: Angstrom
Post by: rolf on May 29, 2007, 09:17:33 am
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*** Things i am looking forward to seeing ***
1) Chinese support!!
Very important to me and all Chinese users: Chinese support.
I have yet to figure out how to add fonts and inputmethods. But there are already quite a number of Chinese locales in the feeds, so i suspect using Chinese shouldn't be impossible.

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4) Development environment
Native toolchain and compilation environment: clear instructions, pointers, examples, how-tos, packaging guides.
Zdevil, thank you for your comments.

Contact me on the Chinese stuff, preferably on the mailing list which is also available via gmane.org.  I have been working on Japanese support and got a few things into OE.  

I am also interested in Chinese support but I don't yet know much about it.  Unfortunately your hope that there already is some Chinese support because of the Chinese locales is shallow.  Those locales are built automatically.  To my knowledge there are as of now neither Chinese fonts in OE nor an input method.  It should not be too hard to get them in, though, and I'll be happy to commit them.

Feel free to report bugs and enhancement requests at the OE bug tracker.  Be sure to make them block bug 1094 (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094).

The dev docs you requested have been there since long and have been pointed out numerous times now.  The knowledge about them still seems to be not widespread, despite their prominent placement.  Please help spread the word.

Install required software for OE (distro-specific instructions) (http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro)
Getting Started with configuration (http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted)
Developper reference manual (http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual)