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General Forums => Off Topic forum => Topic started by: danboid on April 10, 2007, 04:19:01 am
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I would very much appreciate it if you could all visit myspace page and read my latest blog entry where I present a simple battle plan which could well be highly effective (if enough people do it) in speeding our freedom and saving our planet
myspace.com/danboid
Thanks!
Dan
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Ummm.....danboid, I'd recommend getting some professional help or laying off the mushrooms.....
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allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllright....
Late
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well, first off, I must say that everyone should be trying to help the environment and the critical situation it is in. The problem is, so many people are saying it's waaaay to late- it's not. Don't get me started, I am a huge preservationist. That being said... Interesting read there Danno. They take you up to the starship recently?
Just raggin on you, mate.
--Fish
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Ummm.....danboid, I'd recommend getting some professional help or laying off the mushrooms.....
Getting anal-probed by little green men in silver saucers tends to have that effect
Hey Danboid if you're serious about that proposal to the UN you need to take out the US first - they have a long history of vetoing resolutions that benefits humanity.
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html (http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa03.html)
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ohh no! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just took what ever Danboid took!
no transfats, little salt and I mean little, no fructose, no galactose, no preservatives, no artificial sweeteners nothing from the store. Everything must be natural and from the ground up and not below. green leafy vegetables is a must, reduce fats and increase exercise. meats 1x a week. NO cheese, no milk so get your d elsewhere.
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Oh dear!
I'm very, very disappointed with the replies my posting has generated here- I honestly thought this forum was more open-minded and mature than this. You've proved me wrong- it would seem that just if someone is interested in supporting free software doesn't mean they're interested in seeing this freedom permeate to other level of society too, or at least that if someone suggests this is possible they get ridiculed as some kind of hopeless druggy.
Fushnchups - Well done in realising that the health of the earth is all important- where would we be without her? We must never give up hope, otherwise you might as well get it over with now.
Those who are ridiculing UFO's need to search for an event known as the 'Phoenix Lights' which happened in Arizona, 1997, where 1000's and 1000's of people saw, filmed and photographed a ship the size of several football fields fly over, very slowly and in total silence. Also watch the Disclosure Project videos (linked on my blog), consider the billions of other planets in our universe and check out all the UFO docs the French government disclosed publlically a few weeks back and then try telling me I'm out of my mind. All this and more in my blog - the truth and evidence is most definitely in my favour on this one. I have also had (potential) ET encounters myself.
desertrat:
US, UK, Freemasons, The Vatican... all these are smokescreens for the people really in power - the Jesuits- who are the true purveyors of the New World Order with one centralised global government and a microchipped population. I've always found the term 'embedded' (as in OESF) a bit scary as this is what they're after- total surveillance and control.
If you want to know more about who is really in control of our planet and how then I recommend you go onto Google video and search for Jordan Maxwell. He has been researching secret societies, religions and politics deeply for over 40 years and is the leading authority on such things.
Everybody needs to help spread the truth because when enough people realise how we've been duped for 1000's of years then all the governments won't be able to stop the publics demand for freedom and truth. YOU are your own God, don't think that the UN or whoever are going to do what is good for you or our planet- quite the opposite as they have proved over and over again.
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As my post was not intended to offend, only in jest, I deleted it. BTW, I don't think the mushrooms mentioned in the previous message were portabellos, but oh well. In fact, I tend to agree with you on the UFO issue. Where disclosure would not compromise a weapons program, etc. governments should disclose what they know. Secrecy breeds speculation. Similarly on the secret/secretive societies, secrecy breeds speculation. The only point on your blog that I had a serious issue with was the '9/11 was a inside job' comment. In my opinion, that signficantly diminished the credibility of the other messages. Having lost a few teammates and family members of teammates at the Pentagon, that comment makes me mad. The fact that it comes from a Brit, who ought to be one of the last to try and dampen public opposition to terrorism, makes it worse. I know that the Brits I work with would not appreciate that message either. So with all that said, I applaud your using the power of the Internet to promote change even though I disagree with some of your points.
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9/11 was most definitely an inside job. Please watch this video - 9/11 Loose Change
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?&...2753501&q=Loose (http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?&autoplay=true&docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose)
I can give you much, much more proof if you need it if watching that doesn't fully convince you- there are SO many holes in the official story it is way beyond a joke- not that there is anything funny about any of this.
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I just sat and watched that video, Danboid. While I still have alot of thinking to do, I have to say "wow". There are some extremely good arguments and some interesting thoughts. Right now I am taking a film class focusing on documentaries and propoganda so, I am probably a bit harder to convince at the moment. But I really have to say that I have alot to consider and question.
Thanks
--Fish
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Good man!
It is important to always remain open minded and never accept anybodies opinions until you have done some serious research into whatever it may be.
I studied Media production at university so I know all about gatekeepers and the hidden agendas and interests of the mainstream media and I can assure you that If you depend solely on TV, radio and press to form the basis of your opinions and views then you will never know the truth.
We currently have a fair amount of free speech on the internet right now so we must fight to maintain it - it is of utmost importance people know how we have been manipulated and had so much vital knowledge suppressed for so long.
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on a side note. This class has really disturbed me. The proff has focused on how easily our subconcious can be confused and mislead (use of montages, etc). These misleadings lead to biased and sometimes illogical conclusions.
I am so wary of what I watch now!!
--Fish
Good man!
It is important to always remain open minded and never accept anybodies opinions until you have done some serious research into whatever it may be.
I studied Media production at university so I know all about gatekeepers and the hidden agendas and interests of the mainstream media and I can assure you that If you depend solely on TV, radio and press to form the basis of your opinions and views then you will never know the truth.
We currently have a fair amount of free speech on the internet right now so we must fight to maintain it - it is of utmost importance people know how we have been manipulated and had so much vital knowledge suppressed for so long.
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yeah i posted that a few months/years back. I saw the flick and kept an open mind
then i read this
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display....retnuh0.9919245 (http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2007&m=March&x=20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245)
and this
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=1 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1)
Even though both articles still does not convince me totally, I still keep an open mind. Just read for yourself but the truth is you need to make a conclusion of the evidence (if any) but I really dont have time for it. But I still think something fishy is going on here cuz everything is so stupid.
Here are my facts!
1. Too many people in the planet
2. Too many cars
3. WE NEED GAS!
4. I AM GETTING TAXED 40% and it goes to uncle sam.
5. RICH GET TAXED LESS
6. actors in unemployment earn more than a few hundred thousands of dollers compared to others.
7. people on walfare dont work! ( I saw pay them but train them to work in schools while getting welfare but call it government jobs.) we need teachers? shit! and no money? this is crazy.
8. water and power in los angeles is in danger!>
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Cresho
(and anybody else who think 9/11 was a genuine 'terrorist' attack or that you can trust our governments)
You're being greatly deceived. Please watch at least this:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...ll+matrix+power (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8701863412120241475&q=jordan+maxwell+matrix+power)
and if you have time:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...well+illuminati (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8394844811105390386&q=jordan+maxwell+illuminati)
I find it funny that you think I'd give any credit to a 9/11 conspiracy theory debunking statement from the US govt itself
Support 9/11? You're supporting lies, death, destruction, bullying and the NWO
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I find it funny that you think I'd give any credit to a 9/11 conspiracy theory debunking statement from the US govt itself
Well, I did not only find statements on the page cited by Cresho but also pictures and simply explanations. Some are more convincing to me others don't say too much.
Conspiracy theories might now interpret all these pictures as fakes (to hide governments mistakes) because I don't give Government any credit.
The same right allows me to view all the Conspiracy theories as fiction (with the intention to earn a lot of money) since I give them no credit because they are not official.
So, it is a discussion about believes and whom you believe to trust.
Support 9/11? You're supporting lies, death, destruction, bullying and the NWO
What do you want to say us with this?
What does "support 9/11" mean? There has been an event that has happened on that date in 2001. I myself remember coming back from summer vacation on that day. But what sould I support or not? I can only support different *interpretations* of the event, what the reasons, intentions, hidden agendas where, what it will mean for the future.
Lies: are as old as mankind
Death: yes, 9/11 was a horrible event of death and destruction
Bullying: maybe?
NWO: everything what we (each individual) do builds a new world, called "future". Some of us have more others have less influcence.
Yes, it is the Off topic forum.
-- hns
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In this day and age 99% of people wholeheartedly believe that whatever is broadcast on the news programs in the mainstream media is exactly what is going on in the world- disagree and you're considered a nutjob because 'all the TV/radio stations and papers agree- all my friends are saying the same things' but anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the last 30 years should be more than well aware that Rupert Murdoch (just a puppet for higher, eviler people) is to what the public believe by shaping our media as what good ol' Billy boy is to our software industry. We all know how badly both of these models of information filtration, restriction and suppression must end ASAP- it will be at our terminal peril otherwise. Thank God for the internet, Linux and open source then! Information NEEDS to become and remain free or I could've never learned what I tell you of here!
As individuals we may not have much power, but together and with the force of good on our side we will be unstoppable!
By writing in the blank bits on monetary bills, printing T-shirts, changing your online sigs, getting a tattoo on your forehead etc. etc.we can educate the world by spreading the teachings of America's greatest researcher - Jordan Maxwell and also widely distributing these two (or 3) very important URLS:
http://disclosureproject.org/ (http://disclosureproject.org/)
http://cheniere.org/ (http://cheniere.org/) or http://www.seaspower.com/ (http://www.seaspower.com/)
Its that easy! These two links and a name can point everyone to that which the media is suppresing - the knowledge which will go most of the way to saving the world but isn't because of the greed of a very few evil but supremely powerful men.
I'm changing my sig now!
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.
And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.
I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.
If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.
May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell) and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...
Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.
Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...
-- hns
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Dan,
First off, thanks for sharing. I agree with some of your points, applaud your enthusiasm and encourage you to keep looking for truth.
Secondly, and I hope I don't offend, but some things to keep in mind:
-People tend to be resistant to change and when change comes it tends to not happen instantly.
-I agree that there is a time to speak up. But I also think there needs to be a balance between speaking up and leading by example. I've caught more fish by waiting for them to take the bait then but asking them to act quickly.
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.
And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.
I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.
If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.
May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell) and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...
Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.
Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...
-- hns
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AMEN, Brother hns!!!
Unfortunately, what some of our friends here are confusing being so-called 'open-minded' with 'critical-thinking' abilities!!
I can be be as open-minded as the next guy, but I always get my critical thinking turned on and watch the needle on the b#@$sh*& meter dial....
Seems like some have fallen prey to the 'conspiracy theory' group that sees one under every rock and 'Man' or 'America' is behind all of them....
UTTER RUBBISH!!!
And while we're at it, it's not 'Man' or 'America' that's causing so-called 'Global Warming' either...and real scientist/climatologist can tell you that if anything is happening climate change-wise it has more to do with changes in the sun and/or vents in the ocean floor.
These are natural and cyclical historical events...if you bother to check your history....
If anything, some warming usually precedes the Earth entering into a cooling period...so, I'd advise you to start stocking up on longjohns and wool sweaters!!
Of course, I might just be part of the conspiracy that just wants to sell everyone more wool goods and reap more corporate profits for the real masters (sorry, I can't reveal who they are, as you guys don't have the proper security clearance..)....
Oh boy, think I've revealed to much already....if you don't hear from me again, you'll know what happened....
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I think that was the point I was trying to make. While the link is terribly interesting, and truely makes you think, you really don't know what to believe. Everyone has some sort of bias that they are trying to push upon us as fact. I do however encourage everyone to be open minded and look at that movie Dan had posted. It's long, but interesting. I am not saying that I know what I feel, I just think it's important to get as much information as possible so you can develop your own train of thought. It's just a hard issue because you don't want to dephile the memory of those who were killed in the attacks. People are so sensative about it and so they should be.
I also reccomend everyone to do a little googling about the Real I.D. act. It's an American thing but still a touch big brotherish. I think the UK had something in the works like this as well?
I encourage everyone to be very active in politics at a local level. Part of the problem in the US is that we, the people, the regular people have sat around and passed the buck to the uppity ups (the neo-aristocracy if you will) and thus, lost some power. I tell everyone that I meet that I will be Mayor of my town someday and I will. After that, you might see me in the governor's seat who knows.
But even those who don't have my insane want to fight for things I believe in can go to town meetings, etc. Let your opinion be known. That's the most important thing.
erm.... </rant> sorry
--Fish
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I think that was the point I was trying to make. While the link is terribly interesting, and truely makes you think, you really don't know what to believe. Everyone has some sort of bias that they are trying to push upon us as fact. I do however encourage everyone to be open minded and look at that movie Dan had posted. It's long, but interesting. I am not saying that I know what I feel, I just think it's important to get as much information as possible so you can develop your own train of thought. It's just a hard issue because you don't want to dephile the memory of those who were killed in the attacks. People are so sensative about it and so they should be.
I also reccomend everyone to do a little googling about the Real I.D. act. It's an American thing but still a touch big brotherish. I think the UK had something in the works like this as well?
I encourage everyone to be very active in politics at a local level. Part of the problem in the US is that we, the people, the regular people have sat around and passed the buck to the uppity ups (the neo-aristocracy if you will) and thus, lost some power. I tell everyone that I meet that I will be Mayor of my town someday and I will. After that, you might see me in the governor's seat who knows.
But even those who don't have my insane want to fight for things I believe in can go to town meetings, etc. Let your opinion be known. That's the most important thing.
erm.... </rant> sorry
--Fish
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AMEN to that too, Brother Fish!!
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Hm. No. It is not the media suppressing the information (although I agree that they all copy the same bits). It is that it is *no* information.
And although your links are new to me, the content is not. UFO stories, Perpetuum Mobile and Tapping Vaccuum energy stories are there for several years. Do you remember Pons&Fleischmann? Nobody has proven them to be correct.
I think you have become the next victim of a more or less religious industry that lives from selling nonsense as the latest scientific news and that there is a worldwide conspiracy against the proponents and the truth. Therefore, they are the *good* guys who disclose hidden information the *bad* world is trying to hide.
If you do some research (e.g. on the Internet) you will find that this has happened through centuries. Start with people in ancient times who had a hidden recipie to make gold out of nothing.
May I also recommend to study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell) and his work on scepticism. Remain sceptical, even for stories that tell you someone is trying to hide important information...
Well, and Sharp is telling us the wrong story about the Zaurus. In fact, they are hiding a successor to the latest models since they want to introduce it at the same day as Apple finally launches the iPhone. And it will be *much* better than an iPhone. It has a better display, is smaller, has a better battery, more memory, more features and everything you can imagine. This is all to make the world better.
Unfortunately, no newspaper is citing my story...
-- hns
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Did you actually visit cheniere.org llike I've been advising? I don't think you even gave it a chance, judging from your lack of real feedback. It won't cost you a thing to do so, I'm not selling anything here, just hoping you will realise we've been greatly deceived and it needs to end. Maybe you're happy with being cheated, ripped off and lied to? Maybe you don't care about the planet our the future of our race? If so then none of this will matter to you. Fushnchups, on the other hand, HAS been bothered to take heed of my advice and he is recommending you give my links a chance.
On cheniere.org, amongst other things, it links to the full patents of a over-unity ('free energy') generator created and independently verified as working. This was invented by Hitachi in the 1980's but had its release thwarted by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza. True, your man on the street wouldn't be able to afford to construct the designs (not that most would even consider such things exist in the first place) but the fact is the technology has been around for over a century and we're still using antiquated, non-renewable power sources- now we have Iraq...
This Hitachi device is just one example of a known, working over-unity device. There is a Swiss village called Linden which is powered by another over-unity device called the Testatika- I could give more examples but I've already given you enough to be going on with.
The question is not 'who's brainwashed?' it is really 'who ISN'T brainwashed?' and the answer to that is pretty much no-one. We're all victims, just that some people really have problems changing a world view or opinion on something they're believed and re-enforced for their entire life. I am fully aware that what I've been telling you all here is shocking and may sound totally ridiculous but don't mock me until you've seriously looked at all the info and vids I've linked to in this thread.
Yes, people DO make money out of selling books on so-called 'conspiracies', I'm not denying that, but when most people, including yourself now, talk of conspiracy you are implying that what I'm talking of is "misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, irrational, or otherwise unworthy of serious consideration" - this is certainly not the case giving the amount of proof I've already offered and I can continue to provide more and more proof which you can then go on and research and verify this for yourself like I have.
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Unfortunately, what some of our friends here are confusing being so-called 'open-minded' with 'critical-thinking' abilities!!
I can be be as open-minded as the next guy, but I always get my critical thinking turned on and watch the needle on the b#@$sh*& meter dial....
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I completely agree. I don't know enough facts to prove it's a conspiracy, and I'd guess it's a lot easier to prove it's a conspiracy than to actually prove that it isn't. The 9/11 conspiracy theories contain mostly a lot of coincidences that you can find to support almost anything if you look hard enough. Most of the rest is facts that I cannot prove or disprove.
Of course, I might just be part of the conspiracy that just wants to sell everyone more wool goods and reap more corporate profits for the real masters (sorry, I can't reveal who they are, as you guys don't have the proper security clearance..)....
Oh boy, think I've revealed to much already....if you don't hear from me again, you'll know what happened....
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It's been nice knowing you.
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And while we're at it, it's not 'Man' or 'America' that's causing so-called 'Global Warming' either...and real scientist/climatologist can tell you that if anything is happening climate change-wise it has more to do with changes in the sun and/or vents in the ocean floor.
These are natural and cyclical historical events...if you bother to check your history....
I did not want to jump into this discussion but....
Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution- would you really bet on it, continue as before and just wait what happens risking that Silicon Valley is becoming a hot and dry desert with no point of return ? Not to speak of the other consequences ? That is a very, very high risk you would be taking.
Those "real scientists" you have mentioned are a very small minority and the sun as a cause (which is morely used as an excuse for not seeing reasons for actions) has been contraticted several times. The influence of the (proven) solar activitites on the climate is simply not big enough to cause all the changes predicted.
'nuff said.
Oliver
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It's all quite simple, there are too many people who cause industrialisation and pollution. Just get rid off all the countries that cause the most problems, ie all the countries which presently or formerly have/had a name that start with a U.
Of course I am only kidding, but I could claim to be a 'scientist' and dig up truck loads of documentation 'proving' that this theory was the only way to save human kind...
On the other hand, all Zaurii should be banned because they contain sillicon which is not biodegradable and hence bad for the environment...
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I dunno-- I think you kind of hit it. Too many people, period. We should probably have per region population caps.
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Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution ...
I think it's only the US, or more specifically the Bush regime[1] which is continuing to deny that global warming is occurring and that it is caused by human activity. The first thing the Bush regime did when it illegally seized power was to tear up most of the the international accords agreed upon (but pending ratification) by the Clinton administration and this of course included the Kyoto Protocol. In contrast China has not only ratified Kyoto but is also prepared to agree to reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases even though its per capita emission levels are a tiny fraction of the USs.
[1]White House staff have and still are actively watering down reports from scientific community. The despicable John Bolton had done the same to UN statements on the subject.
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Did you actually visit cheniere.org llike I've been advising? I don't think you even gave it a chance, judging from your lack of real feedback. It won't cost you a thing to do so, I'm not selling anything here,
You may not be but the website sure is, the first page has at least 5 links to various dvds and books. Instead of selling those, why not just sell the damn machines/motors/generators/or whatever they're called. Eg on http://cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm (http://cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm) there is a picture of a "Working Replication of a Magnetic Wankel motor", why isn't Tom Bearden selling these?
On cheniere.org, amongst other things, it links to the full patents of a over-unity ('free energy') generator created and independently verified as working.
The USPTO must have been sleeping (what's new?) when they granted 6362718, because they are not supposed to grant patents to "perpetual motion" machines.
This was invented by Hitachi in the 1980's but had its release thwarted by the Japanese mafia, the Yakuza.
Wow, this sounds just like the plot for "Mission Earth" - Ron Hubbard
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If you are as tired of the 9/11 hoaxsters as I am, check out:
http://stoprosie.com (http://stoprosie.com) and
http://fallingpanda.blogspot.com/ (http://fallingpanda.blogspot.com/)
Enough already. As stated previous, the tin foil hat silliness of the "science" that must be believed in order to deny 9/11 is more than a stretch. The inclusion of that statement significantly diminishes some other worthwhile messages. In general, web petitions are a was of time. When significant numbers of people stop buying the products of advertisers, that works. If you don't believe me, when you order your egg Mcmuffin this morning, ask Don Imus. Cheers.
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Would You Join Me In The Woods For A Casual Conversation by Alan Watt
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...332&q=alan+watt (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6273187507553941332&q=alan+watt)
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Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution- would you really bet on it, continue as before and just wait what happens risking that Silicon Valley is becoming a hot and dry desert with no point of return ? Not to speak of the other consequences ? That is a very, very high risk you would be taking.
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I have seen articles that indicate scientists are essentially being "blacklisted" if they do not support the popular global warming theory. The articles I've read indicate some correlation between industrialization and global warming, but I haven't seen anything that proves a cause-and-effect relationship. And, I've heard a number of arguments for a natural cycle.
Do I believe that pollution needs to be abated? Yes. Do I believe that we need to find better sources of energy? Yes. Do I believe that the world is doomed because of global warming caused by our society? I haven't seen enough unbiased evidence that I feel confident in making a decision either way.
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I dunno-- I think you kind of hit it. Too many people, period. We should probably have per region population caps.
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Judging by what I see in the news, I think people should have a license to breed before contributing to the population. Too many bad parents out there today.
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Even leaving away the facts stated by the united stations, scientists all over the world and widely accepted by the remaing part of the world except the US and China that global warming is a consequence of industrialisation and pollution- would you really bet on it, continue as before and just wait what happens risking that Silicon Valley is becoming a hot and dry desert with no point of return ? Not to speak of the other consequences ? That is a very, very high risk you would be taking.
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I have seen articles that indicate scientists are essentially being "blacklisted" if they do not support the popular global warming theory. The articles I've read indicate some correlation between industrialization and global warming, but I haven't seen anything that proves a cause-and-effect relationship. And, I've heard a number of arguments for a natural cycle.
Do I believe that pollution needs to be abated? Yes. Do I believe that we need to find better sources of energy? Yes. Do I believe that the world is doomed because of global warming caused by our society? I haven't seen enough unbiased evidence that I feel confident in making a decision either way.
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AMEN to that too, Brother Drake01!!
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I have seen articles that indicate scientists are essentially being "blacklisted" if they do not support the popular global warming theory.
Are you living in the US by any chance? Because the reports that we read (or I read) from outside the US is that scientists/researchers are gagged and/or denied funds if they don't toe the Bush regime's line on climate change:
New Scientist Editorial: Suppressing the science of climate change (http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/mg19325892.900)
The articles I've read indicate some correlation between industrialization and global warming, but I haven't seen anything that proves a cause-and-effect relationship. And, I've heard a number of arguments for a natural cycle.
You've probably been influenced by this:
New Scientist: Oil giants' money fuels a climate of suspicion (http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/mg19325863.900)
Not sure what proof you need (accept):
industry+pollution=greenhouse gases=warming
Whilst you may argue over what contributes more to global warming - human activities or natural cycles, the cause of human activities and its effects on global warming should be in no doubt.
Yes. Do I believe that the world is doomed because of global warming caused by our society? I haven't seen enough unbiased evidence that I feel confident in making a decision either way.
Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
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Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
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Us landlubbers in central Canada are looking forward to having ocean beaches, so keep driving you cars please.
(this is purely a joke and is not intended as a method to discredit what is happening in the world)
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YOU are your own God,
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I don't see this as matching the definition listed in the dictionary. ?
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value (This one does somewhat fit.)
4 : a powerful ruler (While the Denotation matches, the Connotation of this word does not follow this 4th definition in the strict sense.)
Thank God for the internet, Linux and open source then!
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So in your mind, You are responsible for the internet? Which god are you thanking?
Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
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Umm... there is a fix, we just need to build more nuclear power plants:
[a href=\"http://powerscorecard.org/issue_detail.cfm?issue_id=5]http://powerscorecard.org/issue_detail.cfm?issue_id=5[/url]
http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/Pubs/RN/2006-07/07rn12.htm (http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/Pubs/RN/2006-07/07rn12.htm)
More power plants means more power = More electronic toys.
Just my 2+1/2 cents.
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Are you living in the US by any chance?
I am.
Whilst you may argue over what contributes more to global warming - human activities or natural cycles, the cause of human activities and its effects on global warming should be in no doubt.
I didn't say that human activities are affecting the environment. I think there are too many people on this rock. Deforestation and urbanization are likely affecting the planet. I've heard arguments that the agriculture industry is doing plenty to harm the environment in various ways, including cattle emissions.
Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
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The world is not a static place. If it were, then it would be a dead planet. Coastlines have been changing since the continents were formed. This planet is also an extremely complex interdependent system, and it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome of a change to one variable when there are so many others that have to be accounted for.
I've heard arguments that the greenhouse gas situation is a vicious cycle, and that the warming will cause more gases to be released which will accelerate the process. This seems unlikely or the climate would not be as stable as it has been for millennia. I've also heard arguments that the Earth "self-corrects" when something is out of balance. This can be seen in smaller ecosystems, so maybe there's some truth in this at a global scale.
I would also like to reiterate that I am completely in favor of moving away from fossil fuels, for various reasons. I don't use lawn fertilizer and weed killer because I don't feel the need to pollute my waterways for the sake of a pretty lawn. I dislike the amount of plastic packaging used in consumer products. I try to not buy "disposable" products (toilet paper excepted, of course).
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Are you living in the US by any chance? Because the reports that we read (or I read) from outside the US is that scientists/researchers are gagged and/or denied funds if they don't toe the Bush regime's line on climate change:
That's not correct.... I live in the US and it's the complete opposite situation here now.
Scientists and climatologists who don't go along with the Stalinist global warming kooks party line and drink their global warming kool-aid are being harassed and silenced...
The articles I've read indicate some correlation between industrialization and global warming, but I haven't seen anything that proves a cause-and-effect relationship. And, I've heard a number of arguments for a natural cycle.
You've probably been influenced by this:
New Scientist: Oil giants' money fuels a climate of suspicion (http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/mg19325863.900)
Not sure what proof you need (accept):
industry+pollution=greenhouse gases=warming
Whilst you may argue over what contributes more to global warming - human activities or natural cycles, the cause of human activities and its effects on global warming should be in no doubt.[/quote]
Yes, they should be in doubt, as their is no actual scientific proof that human activities are contributing to global warming...
Besides the sun's solar activities and the ocean floor vents I've already mentioned in earlier posts are the main cause of climate change (not global warming as there are parts of the world that are actually cooling...), if anything else is contributing to the situation it's all the cows around the world producing methane gas every day!!
So, maybe the global warming crowd should focus there energy (no pun intended...) on either
1) Killing all the cows and making them into hamburgers or
2) Putting catalytic converters on their rear ends or
3) Collecting all the methane gas so that we convert our cars to running on methane and have cheap gas!
Yes. Do I believe that the world is doomed because of global warming caused by our society? I haven't seen enough unbiased evidence that I feel confident in making a decision either way.
Global warming = ice melts, it has been estimated that if all the ice at the poles melt then the sea level would rise by 70m - that would leave a substantial chunk of land under water and many countries would simply be wiped out (eg Bangladesh, the Netherlands).
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The fact is that some places are melting but some place are not melting but growing...
Once again, I think that there are too many non-critical thinkers out there you who just swallow hook, line, and sinker, what the anti-American, anti-industrialization, anti-capitalist, anti-Bush, leftist, environmental wacko crowd wants you to believe.....
Think some of you need to widen your horizons a bit.....expand your reading lists and listening lists too....get out of the 'echo chamber' you're in where you're just repeating the same stuff back and forth between your same like-minded buddies without ever really hearing other legimate perspectives....
Just my 2¢ (as we say in the good ol' USA...).....
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That's not correct.... I live in the US
ergo and it's the complete opposite situation here now.
Scientists and climatologists who don't go along with the Stalinist global warming kooks party line and drink their global warming kool-aid are being harassed and silenced...
Do you have any articles or references to backup the above statements?
Yes, they should be in doubt, as their is no actual scientific proof that human activities are contributing to global warming...
The IPCC (www.ipcc.ch has plenty of scientific data, whether you accept them as proof is for you to decide.
I will re-iterate my simple proof:
1) human activities leads to industry and pollution
2) industry+pollution = greenhouse gases
3) greenhouse gases = warming
I'm sure you would agree with (1) and (2). As for (3), look up the defintion of greenhouse gases, greenhouse gases are so-called precisely because they contribute to warming. www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/95report/glossary.html
Besides the sun's solar activities and the ocean floor vents I've already mentioned in earlier posts are the main cause of climate change (not global warming as there are parts of the world that are actually cooling...), if anything else is contributing to the situation it's all the cows around the world producing methane gas every day!!
No one is denying the fact that a million and one other factors contribute to climate change, but you seem to be denying that human activities is one of them.
The fact is that some places are melting but some place are not melting but growing...
You can probably cite exceptions for almost anything. The key point is the global trend - the big picture - not isolated incidents.
Once again, I think that there are too many non-critical thinkers out there you who just swallow hook, line, and sinker, ...
Think some of you need to widen your horizons a bit.....expand your reading lists and listening lists too....get out of the 'echo chamber' you're in where you're just repeating the same stuff back and forth between your same like-minded buddies without ever really hearing other legimate perspectives....
I couldn't have put it better myself
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This is really simple. We have overbred and need to work on reducing and balancing our population. Once we have a plan for that we can concentrate on keeping the planet habitable unti we have a truly optimal population and can let the place heal itself.. In the meantime polluting less is probably a good idea, just on general principles. Any "solution" that doesn't emphasize depopulation seems to me like a prolonged and painful suicide. On the other hand, maybe soylent green isn't so bad.
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That's not correct.... I live in the US
ergo and it's the complete opposite situation here now.
Scientists and climatologists who don't go along with the Stalinist global warming kooks party line and drink their global warming kool-aid are being harassed and silenced...
Do you have any articles or references to backup the above statements?
Yes, they should be in doubt, as their is no actual scientific proof that human activities are contributing to global warming...
The IPCC (www.ipcc.ch has plenty of scientific data, whether you accept them as proof is for you to decide.
I will re-iterate my simple proof:
1) human activities leads to industry and pollution
2) industry+pollution = greenhouse gases
3) greenhouse gases = warming
I'm sure you would agree with (1) and (2). As for (3), look up the defintion of greenhouse gases, greenhouse gases are so-called precisely because they contribute to warming. www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/95report/glossary.html
Besides the sun's solar activities and the ocean floor vents I've already mentioned in earlier posts are the main cause of climate change (not global warming as there are parts of the world that are actually cooling...), if anything else is contributing to the situation it's all the cows around the world producing methane gas every day!!
No one is denying the fact that a million and one other factors contribute to climate change, but you seem to be denying that human activities is one of them.
The fact is that some places are melting but some place are not melting but growing...
You can probably cite exceptions for almost anything. The key point is the global trend - the big picture - not isolated incidents.
Once again, I think that there are too many non-critical thinkers out there you who just swallow hook, line, and sinker, ...
Think some of you need to widen your horizons a bit.....expand your reading lists and listening lists too....get out of the 'echo chamber' you're in where you're just repeating the same stuff back and forth between your same like-minded buddies without ever really hearing other legimate perspectives....
I couldn't have put it better myself
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we just need to start a few wars to kill some people to reduce the over population which produces pollution and increases green house gases... oh wait, someone already did that but he wasnt very honest about the reason he wanted to wage war....
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This is really simple. We have overbred and need to work on reducing and balancing our population.
That is good as a long term goal. When people talk of over-population I bet most will be thinking of places like China and India, and indeed they are, however reducing populations in those countries isn't going to significantly reduce pollution. Killing off China and India, with about 30-35% of the world's population would reduce pollution by maybe 10-15%, whereas killing off the US, with about 5% of the world's population would reduce pollution by about 20-25%[1]. Hence it would be far better value for money to kill off the US
Assuming that we can't commit mass genocide then the short term goal is to reduce pollution.
[1] these are figures pulled out of my arse but they should be more or less accurate give or take a few orders of magnitude
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It is my personal belief that a big contributor to climate change has been all the various nuclear tests. However, the current media hubbub on climate change and Iraq are just distractions from something, much, much more important...
On Wednesday, May 9th 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...closure+project (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218&q=disclosure+project)
Its original broadcast was sabotaged but you can watch the full event for free on Google video. EVERYBODY needs to watch this because it was a truly historic event. Its a shame they don't show any good UFO footage bu there's lots of that out there already (like the OVNI vids, 2005 UFO Conference etc.).
In the video they talk of anti-gravity machines manufactured by people like Lockheed Skunkworks and ARVs (Alien reproduction vehicles) that can travel at least mach 20 that have been known to exist since the early 70's and they show the designs such craft in the video.
A few months after this press conference we all know what happened (911) and that has been the main focus of the world news broadcasts since. IMO, and increasingly many others, the full open, honest disclosure and discussion of ET life and the associated technologies is BY FAR and away the most important issue today because if the military-industrial complex and our governments co-operated then we could see end end to poverty, famine, the (potentially) impending energy crisis as well as entering a whole new level of consciousness by becoming an inter-galactic society.
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Cresho
(and anybody else who think 9/11 was a genuine 'terrorist' attack or that you can trust our governments)
You're being greatly deceived. Please watch at least this:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...ll+matrix+power (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8701863412120241475&q=jordan+maxwell+matrix+power)
and if you have time:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...well+illuminati (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8394844811105390386&q=jordan+maxwell+illuminati)
I find it funny that you think I'd give any credit to a 9/11 conspiracy theory debunking statement from the US govt itself
Support 9/11? You're supporting lies, death, destruction, bullying and the NWO
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It' interesting you mention this but alot of people are aware of this.
anyway, if you been reading up on other stuff, the combined reading i have done leads to a big war that will destroy 40% of the population. This needs to happen to control population and certain power. this is supposedly going to happen within 10 years. That is the speculation. Free mason is true and is very embedded in the states like we already know and also in money. use google maps and look at the white house. It is an inverted pentagram and the pillars in each corner represents...well ill let you decide. Free masons wanted this architecture to appear. There are many things many many people are aware but the only way i see us stopping this is to tell everybody to stop the system by not using their money.....end of line.
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Alright Danboid, I took the bait, I downloaded one of the Jordan Maxwell videos (Jordan Maxwell -Basic Slideshow Presentation (Hidden Symbols)), and watched it (I try to keep an open mind). I've gotten halfway through it, and all I've seen is that Maxwell attributes anything that contains one or more of the four basic geometric shapes:
circle - 1 line
cross - 2 lines
triangle - 3 lines
square - 4 lines
as Masonic symbols. Incidently I just noticed that I have a piece of chalk (for cues - snooker, pool) sitting on my desk and according to Maxwell's criteria it most certainly is produced by a Masonic company, it says Triangle Chalk (trademark registered), on one side it has a circle containing a triangle, on another it has another Masonic symbol - a crown with the caption "KING of them all".
I'm just wondering before I watch the rest of it - does it get any better?
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hmm....
here are some interesting articles which i cannot confirm as legitamite but adds to the fuel of conspiracy theory
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=17432 (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=17432)
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/03/294/ (http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/03/294/)
I also read articles stating that bush and the media is brainwashing U.S. citizens making us think there is a problem over there. They have a different opinion and view things differently but i cannot post any extra information. according to other readings, we will have 2 things happen within the next 3 years, a female president or bush still running the country. The last thing is the big war. and the draft.
food for your thoughts. this is how many people we have killed already. We the people.
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ (http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/)
and finaly, i read somewhere with an update to a quarter of a million deaths.....
We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194 000) during the post-war period.
http://www.slate.com/id/2108887/ (http://www.slate.com/id/2108887/)
this is why U.S. media television is totally bullshit. They never mention how many people we killed. what kind of news reporting is that?
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and finally....how many deaths in iraq..total over 2.7 million
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/ (http://mwcnews.net/content/view/12261/42/)
and if you dont like this news information cuz its not legit, try a us version
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/mi...=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11casualties.html?ex=1318219200&en=516b1d070ff83c15&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
which is a bunch of bullshit since nobody knows how to count dead people.
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This is really simple. We have overbred and need to work on reducing and balancing our population.
That is good as a long term goal. When people talk of over-population I bet most will be thinking of places like China and India, and indeed they are, however reducing populations in those countries isn't going to significantly reduce pollution. Killing off China and India, with about 30-35% of the world's population would reduce pollution by maybe 10-15%, whereas killing off the US, with about 5% of the world's population would reduce pollution by about 20-25%[1]. Hence it would be far better value for money to kill off the US
Assuming that we can't commit mass genocide then the short term goal is to reduce pollution.
[1] these are figures pulled out of my arse but they should be more or less accurate give or take a few orders of magnitude
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You are probably underestimating 2 things
China's actual industrial output
The comparative technical ease with whcih the US could reduce green house gas emissions
no three things
the relative ease with which a lower population density can become environmentally sustainable. I'd guess that it might actually be more difficult for europe or china to meet a meaningful sustainablility standard than the US, despite the currently horrid situation in the states.
Keep in mind that I am talking technical feasability, not the cultural inertia of ignorance.
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That's not correct.... I live in the US
ergo and it's the complete opposite situation here now.
Scientists and climatologists who don't go along with the Stalinist global warming kooks party line and drink their global warming kool-aid are being harassed and silenced...
Do you have any articles or references to backup the above statements?
Yes, they should be in doubt, as their is no actual scientific proof that human activities are contributing to global warming...
The IPCC (www.ipcc.ch has plenty of scientific data, whether you accept them as proof is for you to decide.
I will re-iterate my simple proof:
1) human activities leads to industry and pollution
2) industry+pollution = greenhouse gases
3) greenhouse gases = warming
I'm sure you would agree with (1) and (2). As for (3), look up the defintion of greenhouse gases, greenhouse gases are so-called precisely because they contribute to warming. www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/95report/glossary.html
Besides the sun's solar activities and the ocean floor vents I've already mentioned in earlier posts are the main cause of climate change (not global warming as there are parts of the world that are actually cooling...), if anything else is contributing to the situation it's all the cows around the world producing methane gas every day!!
No one is denying the fact that a million and one other factors contribute to climate change, but you seem to be denying that human activities is one of them.
The fact is that some places are melting but some place are not melting but growing...
You can probably cite exceptions for almost anything. The key point is the global trend - the big picture - not isolated incidents.
Once again, I think that there are too many non-critical thinkers out there you who just swallow hook, line, and sinker, ...
Think some of you need to widen your horizons a bit.....expand your reading lists and listening lists too....get out of the 'echo chamber' you're in where you're just repeating the same stuff back and forth between your same like-minded buddies without ever really hearing other legimate perspectives....
I couldn't have put it better myself
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Whoohoo!!! nothing like insightful debate rather than hapless conjecture to get the brain juices and google searches going. I have to back up my silicon valley brother hear and post this link of a foxnews report of scientist losing their job by not being lemming.
[a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxwl69mrEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxwl69mrEM[/url]
It's hard to be totally convinced of global warming when you have some record lows in the year that somewhat messed up our agricultural economy
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGG9OGQFA1.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/07/MNGG9OGQFA1.DTL)
A pretty good vid is The Great Global Warming Swindle. Put out by a couple of scientist not only in the US. Don't get me wrong I'm all about saving money, oceans , trees, and cutting down pollution. But don't try to scare me and use my tax dollars on things that may not be true.
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Alright Danboid, I took the bait, I downloaded one of the Jordan Maxwell videos (Jordan Maxwell -Basic Slideshow Presentation (Hidden Symbols)), and watched it (I try to keep an open mind). I've gotten halfway through it, and all I've seen is that Maxwell attributes anything that contains one or more of the four basic geometric shapes:
circle - 1 line
cross - 2 lines
triangle - 3 lines
square - 4 lines
as Masonic symbols. Incidently I just noticed that I have a piece of chalk (for cues - snooker, pool) sitting on my desk and according to Maxwell's criteria it most certainly is produced by a Masonic company, it says Triangle Chalk (trademark registered), on one side it has a circle containing a triangle, on another it has another Masonic symbol - a crown with the caption "KING of them all".
I'm just wondering before I watch the rest of it - does it get any better?
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Symbology is a very important issue that anyone who doesn't appreciate being covertly manipulated and deceived needs to seriously study. It is doubly important to anyone who wants to understand (or debunk) the teachings of the various religious orders and secret societies, and the astrological, mathematical, spiritual or otherwise knowledge simultaneously hidden/revealed within. The sad truth is that 99% of the population is symbolically illiterate and so are oblivious to the 1000's of encoded messages that they see every day. They may not understand these images consciously but they often have a certain effect on your sub-conscious because your mind actually stores and retrieves information through symbols and the mind has sub-conscious access to a so-called 'group mind' (I can't remember the official psychological term for this) which knows their meaning through having worshiped or known such patterns for thousands of years. It is a higher form of communication than verbal and is actually a stepping stone towards telepathy and holographic communication.
Advertisers and other people in the media are well aware of sacred symbology, colour symbology and its effect on the human mind and so they use this to their advantage. True, not every logo has esoteric meaning but these are more often than not the exceptions.
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Apart from Jordan Maxwell, who I've mentioned here already, I'd recommend anyone wanting to know more on symbology check out Michael Tsarions "Subversive use of sacred symbolism in the media" and Manly Hall's "Secret Teachings of all ages"
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Go easy on the quoting please.
I have to back up my silicon valley brother hear and post this link of a foxnews report of scientist losing their job by not being lemming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxwl69mrEM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxwl69mrEM)
Sadly both sides are engaging in malpractice and meddling in free debate. However the meddling done by climate change deniers comes right from the top, Bush and his cronies, and is systemic. Whilst (I believe) the medding done by the other side is sporadic and isolated - yes even scientists can be bad dudes sometimes, just as sometimes you get a good politician or a good lawyer.
Incidently, Fox really isn't the best place to get unbiased news
It's hard to be totally convinced of global warming when you have some record lows in the year that somewhat messed up our agricultural economy
I repeat it's the global trend, the big picture, you have to look at. You know sometimes you get the odd cold day in summer, surely you're not going to say "Bloody hell it's cold, it must be winter" (well, you might say that - but doesn't mean its true).
But don't try to scare me and use my tax dollars on things that may not be true.
There was a study by some economist last year which concluded that it would be more costly to not doing anything about climate change.
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OK, I'm listening to "William Cooper & Jordan Maxwell Interview", and Maxwell is talking about the black robe that you wear on graduation (from university) and claims that it is derived from the robes that a certain "Saturnalian cult", "which was pre-Egyptian" (I assume he means ancient Egyptian ie before the pharaohs), and "according to that ancient Semitic cult when you got married you wear the ring, the ring was the ring of Saturn".
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Galileo is generally credited with discovering that Saturn has rings and he had to use a telescope to see them - it was Huygens who later actually confirmed them as rings because he had a better telescope than Galilieo. Are Saturn's rings visible to the naked eye? I can't see them for sure because I'm shortsighted
So either the ancients have really good eyesight, or they had telescopes or old Maxwell is telling porkies (to put it politely).
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So you've never heard of the Mayans (as in the Mayan Calendars?) or the Dogon tribe? These are just two examples of ancient cultures who had stunningly accurate astronomical knowledge which has only been verified by modern science in the last 50 years thanks to Hubble etc.
A few quotes on the Dogon I've found on the net
"The Dogon Tribe lives in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu in the southwestern portion of the Sahara Desert in Africa. Central to their religious teachings is knowledge about the Sirius star system, which includes a star which is invisible to the naked eye and, in fact, so difficult to observe -- even through a telescope -- that no known photographs were taken of it until 1970.
The Dogon were also able to describe its elliptical orbit with Sirius A at one foci of the ellipse (an accurate description), its orbital period of 50 years (the actual figure is 50.04 +/- 0.09 years), and the fact the star rotated on its own axis (it does). Significantly, The Dogon also described a third star in the Sirius system, which they called “Emme Ya” (“Sorghum Female”), and which contained a single satellite in orbit around Emme.
The Dogon idea of their being a Sirius C, aka Emme Ya, was not accorded any real respect until 1995, when two French Astronomers published their results, after years of study, of what was apparently a small, red-dwarf star within the Sirius star system [1] The conclusion was based on perturbations in the orbits that could not be explained by any other means.
In addition to the Sirius system, The Dogon mythology includes knowledge of Saturn’s rings and Jupiter’s four major moons (none of which can be seen by the naked eye and it was only by Galileo and later astronomer’s telescopes that either could be seen). The Dogon also have long known that planets orbit the sun."
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Does Danboid = David Icke? He thinks that all the world leaders are 12 foot high lizards but we just can't see them properly.
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So you've never heard of the Mayans (as in the Mayan Calendars?)
Those can be constructed solely by observation (with the naked eye) and good enough mathematics.
But Saturn's rings are by all accounts invisible to the unaided eye. So how did the "Saturnalian Cult" come to know about the rings. As with all assertions by Maxwell he just trots them off as fact and doesn't even give a hint as to where he got his conclusion from - maybe he explains it in his books but I'm sure not wasting any of my money to find out.
In addition to the Sirius system, The Dogon mythology includes knowledge of Saturn’s rings and Jupiter’s four major moons (none of which can be seen by the naked eye and it was only by Galileo and later astronomer’s telescopes that either could be seen). The Dogon also have long known that planets orbit the sun."
The controversy surrounding the Dogons and their mythology probably stems from Robert Temple's book. I haven't read his book (have you?), but apparently he doesn't quite conclude as to where the Dogons got their knowledge from except to say that they were derived from Egyptian and Sumerian sources which in turn came from some "advanced civilization". If you have read the book, I would like to know whether Temple does attribute an ultimate source. If you haven't read the book I would like to know what your views are - was it indigenous knowledge obtained by "observations", or did some ET give it to them, or whatever?
I prefer Carl Sagan's analysis.
http://www.debunker.com/texts/dogon.html (http://www.debunker.com/texts/dogon.html)
As the above points out, there is no hard evidence that the Dogons' knowledge (of Sirius) is "ancient".
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The BIGGEST conspiracy going on right now is the one that danboid has started with this thread!
With over 850 views and nearly 60 replies this thread is singlehandedly distracting the OESF community at large.
danboid, the man with the corrupted NAND, has instigated this sinister plot to confuse and distract his fellow members so that he doesn't miss out any substantial Zaurus goodies while his poor Zaurus is mortally wounded. What's that saying about the Devil and idle hands, again?
Well danboid, me and my tinfoil wrapped Zaurii are now on to you and we will expose this travesty to the world by....
Oh bother! I posted this to the thread didn't I? Now I am part of the problem and that I was trying to protect the community from and ARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!! <<<<head spontaneously combusts>>>>.
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or perhaps, holovector.... Perhaps you are the brainchild to this oesf'ian conspiracy and have merely stayed in the dark plotting. Your former post is only a cover! We are all your pawns in some twisted machination that will only lead us to heartbreak and exlax laced muffins.
I mean, you are responsible for the death of the zaurus line and other gadgets. Who knows what other evils you are capable of!
--Fish
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Oh, dear.
This is perhaps the silliest thread I've seen in a while.
Danboid, the real conspiracy is the bankers and the oil companies, trying to keep the rest of us from understanding and therefore taking over and ruining their world. But then I know The Truth, I'm an old Trotskyist.
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danboid, the man with the corrupted NAND, has instigated this sinister plot to confuse and distract his fellow members so that he doesn't miss out any substantial Zaurus goodies while his poor Zaurus is mortally wounded. What's that saying about the Devil and idle hands, again?
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I was considering posting something similar, but you beat me to it.
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If you want a good conspiracy, read Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, you can even find it in a zaurus readable format....
Im a bit sick of conspiracy stuff being used to push certain world views. Of course the media lies and absolute power corrupts - but not everything can be explained by inside job/illuminati/conspiracy stuff.
Im coming round to thinking that 9/11 was simultaneousy an inside job, an al qaeda job and probably another group (or three) got involved also. All the evidence provided in this thread and other 9/11 threads can be found to point to this conclusion just as easily. People see what they want to see.........
Conspiracies do exist, unfortunately most of the ones I have come across that hold water seem to be ignored by most conspiracists as they go against their world view. For example 'The Secret War against the Jews' is a fascinating book, but most conspiracists completely ignore this and similar works as they dont fit with the specific world view they are trying to prove. There is much evidence of a conspiracy against the state of Israel (check UN Human Rights council rulings that have singled out only this country hundreds of times while ignoring recurring genocides and rights violations in places like Sudan and East Timor). The world also seems to ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is a completely apartheid country where people of some religions are not even allowed to set foot.
Im sick of people ignoring facts that dont fit their view of the world....
I think it was Timothy Leary (Phd) who wrote that there are 23 conspiracies involved in nearly every situation. 23 Skidoo.....
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Im coming round to thinking that 9/11 was simultaneousy an inside job, an al qaeda job and probably another group (or three) got involved also. All the evidence provided in this thread and other 9/11 threads can be found to point to this conclusion just as easily. People see what they want to see.........
My take on it is that Bush probably got the gist of what was going to happen but sat back and let it unfold (much like the Pearl Harbour conspiracy ). As we all know, at that time Bush's election "victory" was far from convincing and as a man of no talent 9/11 was a godsent. It gave him the opportunity to show the US and the world how "tough" he is and enabled him to act out his wet dreams. Taking advantage of the American people's grief and raising the bogeyman of another 9/11 at every opportunity he kept the Americans cowed and in fear enabling him to wage a war of terror on the world the object of which was to silence some old friends in case they spill the beans on him. The first to go was the Taliban whom the CIA had long funded, next to go was Saddam who had long and fruitful relationship with Bush senior and Cheney.
There is much evidence of a conspiracy against the state of Israel (check UN Human Rights council rulings that have singled out only this country hundreds of times ...
Where is the evidence? I only see blatant and unconditional US support for Israel. The overwhelming majority of UN resolutions which censure Israel are vetoed by the US. The US has exercised its veto more than any other permanent member of the security council by far, and most of the time it is to protect Israel. And in the few resolutions that did get past the US censorship Israel has chosen to ignore tham, yet at the same time insist that the PLO abide by the resolutions that are in Israel's favour. Take the war in Lebanon last summer, whilst the rest of the UN were working their butts off on a resolution calling on Israel to halt the indiscriminate murdering of civilians and wholesale destruction of civilian infrastructure, the US was blocking and delaying at every to allow more time for Israel to complete said destruction on the pretext of destroying Hezbollah. Bolton the then US ambassador to the UN was recently asked about this and he said he was damn proud of what he did. Proud that around 1000 Lebanese civilians died under Israeli bombs and missles? He further said that Israel had every right to defend itself and destroy its enemies - Israel, the US and the West in general always says that Israel has the right to defend itself, however the same rights never seem to extend to the people and countries whose land Israel is occupying (yes, Israel is occupying Lebanese land).
And to add insult to injury, some time after that war there was an incident of car-bombing in Lebanon, Bush had the audacity to jump straight out and accuse Syria of being behind it (but doesn't present any evidence) and said something along the lines of "we will not tolerate Syria meddling in Lebanon and we will stand by the Lebanese government and the Lebanese people" - yeah right, you did plenty of standing by when the Lebanese were being slaughtered by Israeli warplanes. Remember Bush said nothing (in public) about the Lebanese war until a few days into the slaughter.
The West and Germany in particular is so guilty about the Holocaust that they let Israel get away with things that other countries would be damned for. Eg Israel routinely uses weapons of war against unarmed civilians, China does the same in the Tiananmen Massacre, and whilst Israel enjoys billions of dollars of aid and arms per annum from the US, China is still subject to an arms embargo from the US and EU. Now where in all this do you see a conspiracy against Israel?
while ignoring recurring genocides and rights violations in places like Sudan
China's interests are at stake here, whilst China would be extremely unlikely to veto any UN resolution, but with all the hypocrisy and double standards going on the "West" has to make it worth China's while.
and East Timor).
No oil. Next. (Sorry )
The world also seems to ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is a completely apartheid country where people of some religions are not even allowed to set foot.
Yeah but they're obedient and sells the West nice cheap oil (though not so cheap now since Bush decided to take Iraq's oil for himself). The West has always supported regimes that were beneficial to its interests no matter how nasty they were. Eg in the 1950's Britain and the US plotted and succeeded in overthrowing the popularly elected government of Iran and installed the Shah. The Shah's rule was neither free nor fair and led to Iran's Islamic Revolution. And all because Britain was upset that the pre-Shah government nationalised the oil company which Britain had setup when it invaded Iran during WWII.
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Now where in all this do you see a conspiracy against Israel?
There is obviously a strong bias by the US towards Israel, however this does not negate the strong bias against Israel by most of the rest of the United Nations. I agree with you that the occupation of land by Israel must end, but after spending a month there last year in bomb shelters during the Lebanon war I am not very sympathetic towards the Hizbullah, and neither are many of my Lebanese friends - or many of the Arab inhabitants i met in Israel during the summer who also found bombs raining down on their heads sent by their 'brothers' in lebanon.
Also according to the United Nations, Israel is not occupying any Lebanese land since they withdrew their troops in the year 2000. They are still occupying Syrian land and the West Bank and Gaza strip, but no lebanese land (border was verified by a number of UN missions).
I was just drawing attention to the fact that one small nation seems to get an inordinate amount of press relative to the human rights violations (and often occupation/walls/apartheid and discrimination) going on in other countries around the world and in its immediate region. I was not trying to downplay any human rights violations that Israel has been responsible for over the last 50 or so years.
Israel does cause problems in the Middle East, but so do many of the other countries surrounding it and they are rarely brought to any sort of resolution in the UN or condemned by activists around the world. I think they just make a convenient scapegoat.
Do you honestly believe if Israel didn't exist there would be no Islamist terror anymore?
Not trying to start an argument or anything I was just raising a few points... I have spent most of the last ten years travelling the Middle East and found that the situation on the ground is very different to how it is portrayed in the media and elsewhere.
This thread began with the idea that the media lies, what would make you believe that their version of the Middle East conflict including the lebanon war is in any way balanced?
It was shown that Hizbullah staged and manipulated many journalists into reporting innacurate and overblown facts and statistics, much like during the Jenin 'massacre' where initial figures of thousands dead were quickly revised to 56 dead of which 39+ were armed gunmen. (UN Verified these statistics also).
Anyways, just my 2 cents not meaning to start any wars or anything :-)
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Im coming round to thinking that 9/11 was simultaneousy an inside job, an al qaeda job and probably another group (or three) got involved also. All the evidence provided in this thread and other 9/11 threads can be found to point to this conclusion just as easily. People see what they want to see.........
My take on it is that Bush probably got the gist of what was going to happen but sat back and let it unfold (much like the Pearl Harbour conspiracy ). As we all know, at that time Bush's election "victory" was far from convincing and as a man of no talent 9/11 was a godsent. It gave him the opportunity to show the US and the world how "tough" he is and enabled him to act out his wet dreams. Taking advantage of the American people's grief and raising the bogeyman of another 9/11 at every opportunity he kept the Americans cowed and in fear enabling him to wage a war of terror on the world the object of which was to silence some old friends in case they spill the beans on him. The first to go was the Taliban whom the CIA had long funded, next to go was Saddam who had long and fruitful relationship with Bush senior and Cheney.
There is much evidence of a conspiracy against the state of Israel (check UN Human Rights council rulings that have singled out only this country hundreds of times ...
Where is the evidence? I only see blatant and unconditional US support for Israel. The overwhelming majority of UN resolutions which censure Israel are vetoed by the US. The US has exercised its veto more than any other permanent member of the security council by far, and most of the time it is to protect Israel. And in the few resolutions that did get past the US censorship Israel has chosen to ignore tham, yet at the same time insist that the PLO abide by the resolutions that are in Israel's favour. Take the war in Lebanon last summer, whilst the rest of the UN were working their butts off on a resolution calling on Israel to halt the indiscriminate murdering of civilians and wholesale destruction of civilian infrastructure, the US was blocking and delaying at every to allow more time for Israel to complete said destruction on the pretext of destroying Hezbollah. Bolton the then US ambassador to the UN was recently asked about this and he said he was damn proud of what he did. Proud that around 1000 Lebanese civilians died under Israeli bombs and missles? He further said that Israel had every right to defend itself and destroy its enemies - Israel, the US and the West in general always says that Israel has the right to defend itself, however the same rights never seem to extend to the people and countries whose land Israel is occupying (yes, Israel is occupying Lebanese land).
And to add insult to injury, some time after that war there was an incident of car-bombing in Lebanon, Bush had the audacity to jump straight out and accuse Syria of being behind it (but doesn't present any evidence) and said something along the lines of "we will not tolerate Syria meddling in Lebanon and we will stand by the Lebanese government and the Lebanese people" - yeah right, you did plenty of standing by when the Lebanese were being slaughtered by Israeli warplanes. Remember Bush said nothing (in public) about the Lebanese war until a few days into the slaughter.
The West and Germany in particular is so guilty about the Holocaust that they let Israel get away with things that other countries would be damned for. Eg Israel routinely uses weapons of war against unarmed civilians, China does the same in the Tiananmen Massacre, and whilst Israel enjoys billions of dollars of aid and arms per annum from the US, China is still subject to an arms embargo from the US and EU. Now where in all this do you see a conspiracy against Israel?
while ignoring recurring genocides and rights violations in places like Sudan
China's interests are at stake here, whilst China would be extremely unlikely to veto any UN resolution, but with all the hypocrisy and double standards going on the "West" has to make it worth China's while.
and East Timor).
No oil. Next. (Sorry )
The world also seems to ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is a completely apartheid country where people of some religions are not even allowed to set foot.
Yeah but they're obedient and sells the West nice cheap oil (though not so cheap now since Bush decided to take Iraq's oil for himself). The West has always supported regimes that were beneficial to its interests no matter how nasty they were. Eg in the 1950's Britain and the US plotted and succeeded in overthrowing the popularly elected government of Iran and installed the Shah. The Shah's rule was neither free nor fair and led to Iran's Islamic Revolution. And all because Britain was upset that the pre-Shah government nationalised the oil company which Britain had setup when it invaded Iran during WWII.
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With all due respect, desert....
You're totally full of s^*& !!!!
You must be drinking the same kool-aid that ol' danboid is.....
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... but after spending a month there last year in bomb shelters during the Lebanon war I am not very sympathetic towards the Hizbullah, and neither are many of my Lebanese friends - or many of the Arab inhabitants i met in Israel during the summer who also found bombs raining down on their heads sent by their 'brothers' in lebanon.
If people in the Israeli side of the border found it inconvenient, think how much more terrible it had been on the Lebanese side.
BTW this is what the CIA "World Fact Book" has to say about the Lebanon War:
"Hizballah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers in July 2006 leading to a 34-day conflict with Israel. UNSCR 1701, which passed in August 2006, called for the disarmament of Hizballah."
Notice the bias? Hizballah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, ... [UN] called for the disarmament of Hizballah. Nevermind the hundreds dead and the million or so refugees, and the wanton destruction of infrastructure because they're only Lebanese.
Also according to the United Nations, Israel is not occupying any Lebanese land since they withdrew their troops in the year 2000.
I beg to differ. The Blue Line is a "line of convenience" if you will, to mark where Israel should withdraw from. The UN itself acknowledges that it is not a border.
Israel does cause problems in the Middle East, but so do many of the other countries surrounding it and they are rarely brought to any sort of resolution in the UN or condemned by activists around the world. I think they just make a convenient scapegoat.
Do you honestly believe if Israel didn't exist there would be no Islamist terror anymore?
Could you point to sustained terrorist acts attributable to Muslims prior to about 1970's. I bet you there aren't many if any. It is Israel's continuing occupation of Arab (=>Muslim) land and the US's unconditional support which is fueling all the resentment and anger. Just think, if the Palestinians had access to better weapons do you think they would resort to suicide bombing and other terror tactics?
And even when they don't use terror tactics and eg in the case of Corporal Gilat who was captured fair and square, they are roundly condemned, and Israel's response is wildly disproportionate (http://www.icj.org/news.php3?id_article=3965&lang=en) and all the US says is that Israel has the right to self-defence. The Palestinians are being occupied yet they don't seem to have a right to self-defence. The US & the EU insists that Hamas renounce violence before they will consider resuming aid to the Palestinians, why isn't Israel being held to the same standards? They're not holding onto the occupied lands through love, they're holding onto them through force and violence, killing and bloodshed. And yet the US gives billions to Israel, whilst withholding the piddling tens of millions that it used to give to the Palestinians.
This thread began with the idea that the media lies, what would make you believe that their version of the Middle East conflict including the lebanon war is in any way balanced?
However unbalanced the reporting may be, no reasonable person (or anybody with some semblance of conscience) can justify the destruction of half a country and the slaughter of hundreds of people in response to the kidnapping and killing of a few soldiers. What would the response be if hundreds were kidnapped and tortured (Gitmo)?
much like during the Jenin 'massacre' where initial figures of thousands dead were quickly revised to 56 dead of which 39+ were armed gunmen. (UN Verified these statistics also).
The UN report was based on second hand facts because Israel did not permit any journalists, the Red Cross, UN personnel, into the combat zone until well after combat had died down. And in fact the report was compiled without UN personnel on the ground because they were denied access. BW the UN report says at least 52 dead (ie there were 52 confirmed deaths), truth is nobody knows the exact figures, because as Churchill said "Truth is the first casualty of war".
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You must be drinking the same kool-aid that ol' danboid is.....
My excuse is that I was born that way
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If people in the Israeli side of the border found it inconvenient, think how much more terrible it had been on the Lebanese side.
For sure, I agree with you on this 100%. I also think it is stupid to start a war based on two soldiers being kidnapped. But there is more to it than meets the eye. Hizbullah had been waiting for an excuse to fight Israel and Israel also wanted an excuse to finish Hizbullah.
Do you know about the ideology of the Hizbullah?
‘If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them world wide.’ - Hassan Nasrallah
To me that seems a little more than resistance to occupation.
On September 14, 2006, Amnesty International released a report accusing Hezbollah of war crimes during the 2006 conflict with Israel.Human Rights Watch have similarly accused Hezbollah of war crimes in a report issued on August 5, 2006.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbullah#Background_2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbullah#Background_2)
See, it works both ways.. war is not just one persons fault. There isnt always a good and bad guy.
I beg to differ. The Blue Line is a "line of convenience" if you will, to mark where Israel should withdraw from. The UN itself acknowledges that it is not a border.
Israel withdrew to where they should withdraw from, what is the problem exactly? If there is no border what are they meant to do? They withdrew to the UN agreed line. Unfortunately Hizbullah disagree.
The UN report was based on second hand facts because Israel did not permit any journalists, the Red Cross, UN personnel, into the combat zone until well after combat had died down. And in fact the report was compiled without UN personnel on the ground because they were denied access. BW the UN report says at least 52 dead (ie there were 52 confirmed deaths), truth is nobody knows the exact figures, because as Churchill said "Truth is the first casualty of war".
However no more bodies were every found. The Palestinians confirmed the UN body count. Or was there some vast conspiracy to cover up hundreds of bodies that were never found? I have spoken to many people who were in Jenin, on both sides. Thats why I felt I had the right to an opinion. I dont claim to have the truth, just an informed opinion.
As I said originally, some people refuse to accept facts because they dont fit so well with their world view. At least I am open to the fact that I may be one of those people :-)
I dont think there was either side that was right or wrong in the Lebanon war... There isn't usually a clearly defined 100% good/evil in a war situation. Everyone is bad and good on different levels. Clearly there was a huge over-reaction by the Israelis, but many there were terrified and half the country lived in bomb shelters for a month. A stupid corrupt government over-reacted and did not do a good job in deterring anything or anyone.
Anyways I was just pointing out a different view, I didn't expect anyone to accept it.... But its very easy to armchair commentate from thousands of miles away. I have a degree in Middle Eastern Studies focusing on the History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and have spent a lot of time travelling the region so I thought my opinion might be somewhat valid.
Btw I do love the illuminati conspiracies, did you know the supreme court of Israel has an illuminati pyramid on the roof and many illuminati designs all over the building?
Anyways Im gonna get back to the zaurus stuff and enjoying my new N800, i much prefer the non-political discussions here :-)
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Anyways Im gonna get back to the zaurus stuff and enjoying my new N800, i much prefer the non-political discussions here :-)
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Smartest thing I've heard here for awhile....
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desertrat said, with regard to East Timor,
No oil. Next. (Sorry smile.gif
That turns out not to be the case. East timor has oil rights in the ocean between themselves and Australia which the Aussie government wishes to secure. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0902237.html (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0902237.html)
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Archimark and Charlie:
What do you gain from simply posting childish digs against me? Does it make you feel good name calling? I suppose I should be happy there are only a few such people on these forums as there are many more childish people with no respect for alternate ideologies on many other forums and society in general. As soon as somebody starts promoting ideas which are a break from the norm then people become threatened and such comments sadly inspire these usual remarks:
"CONSPIRACY!" (now a catch-all term for any unconventional idea which has pretty much lost its original meaning, just like indie and alternative rock don't mean anything anymore)
"Kool aid drinker" (He's saying something controversial and hence MUST be on LSD right?)
"David Icke and shapeshifting reptiles" is another thing that gets mentioned nearly every time somebody brings up a conspiracy or something ET related, this is supposed to instantly ridicule anything I say just because David Icke (who warned us of the sorry state the world has sleepwalked into well over a decade before it happened) but got ridiculed himself for believing in reptilian ETs. I'm not saying there are definitely shapeshifting reptiles but I certainly don't dismiss it because of the sheer amount of evidence to support ET life
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...closure+project (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218&q=disclosure+project)
http://www.cnes-geipan.fr (http://www.cnes-geipan.fr) - The French Governments now publicly open files on UFOs
Who knows what life forms are out there?
Anybody who thinks that earth is the only planet out of billions to have intelligent life and that we're the most intelligent thing out there is being incredibly naive but amazingly (and very sadly) this is still the predominant mindset. As it stands the US government is still trying to shoot down ET craft, plans to build bigger, badder space based weapons (plain stoooopid and VERY expensive) and is withholding the free energy technologies (that people like Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin manufacture) which could save our planet and end all the fossil-fuel related problems.
I read yesterday that 10 US states have legalised impeachment of Bush and Cheney, but I would imagine that is no use unless at least most of the states (30+) also allow it. Does anyone know more on this?
The whole system of US government (Government = Mind Control. govern=control, ment=mind (as in mental)) obviously needs to be totally rethought, if not just out and out scrapped, as we've all now seen just how it can be abused- absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. Government needs to learn from the open source movement- now that a significant percentage of the US has internet access then there is nothing stopping all the decisions and processes involved in running the country to be openly conducted online so that every US (or whatever country) resident gets to have their say/vote and gets to see exactly where their tax dollars are going.
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Chill Dan
I think that the cold wind from the moors must be getting to you.
I was merely pointing out that Danboid is a perfect anagram of David Icke and wondered if you are the same person as the former Coventry City goalkeeper.
If it's any consolation I'm sure that everybody thought that the Rochdale Pioneers had some funny ideas too, but too many capitals, fonts and colours in a signature does seem a little odd.
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That turns out not to be the case. East timor has oil rights in the ocean between themselves and Australia which the Aussie government wishes to secure.
My apologies. In that case
Coming soon to a cinema near you - The Liberation of East Timor by the Freedom Loving US Armed Forces (Co-starring HM Armed Forces)
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I read yesterday that 10 US states have legalised impeachment of Bush and Cheney, but I would imagine that is no use unless at least most of the states (30+) also allow it. Does anyone know more on this?
Could you explain this? Why does it have to be legalised? The House already has the power to impeach the president or am I missing something?
The whole system of US government (Government = Mind Control. govern=control, ment=mind (as in mental))
You've been watching too much Jordan Maxwell According to my dictionary "ment" is used as a productive suffix to express the result, product, or means of an action. Eg the action "to achieve", what I achieve is my "achievement". and "to govern", the means to govern is "government".
all the decisions and processes involved in running the country to be openly conducted online so that every US (or whatever country) resident gets to have their say/vote and gets to see exactly where their tax dollars are going.
As long as you make sure Diebold don't make the software which handles the voting
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Archimark and Charlie:
What do you gain from simply posting childish digs against me? Does it make you feel good name calling? I suppose I should be happy there are only a few such people on these forums as there are many more childish people with no respect for alternate ideologies on many other forums and society in general. As soon as somebody starts promoting ideas which are a break from the norm then people become threatened and such comments sadly inspire these usual remarks:
"CONSPIRACY!" (now a catch-all term for any unconventional idea which has pretty much lost its original meaning, just like indie and alternative rock don't mean anything anymore)
"Kool aid drinker" (He's saying something controversial and hence MUST be on LSD right?)
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Sorry danboid for the childish digs.....just too easy of a target I guess....
But, if it's not Kool-Aid you're drinking, then don't know what it is....
Peace.
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Hizbullah had been waiting for an excuse to fight Israel and Israel also wanted an excuse to finish Hizbullah.
Undoubtedly. But in this case Israel's strategy was try and get the Lebanese people to turn against Hezbollah by deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and areas where civilians are sheltering. The commander in charge of the Israeli forces Maj. Gen. Udi Adam is quoted by CNN as saying "This affair is between Israel and the state of Lebanon. Where to attack? Once it is inside Lebanon, everything is legitimate -- not just southern Lebanon, not just the line of Hezbollah posts." - in other words, systematic destruction.
Do you know about the ideology of the Hizbullah?
‘If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them world wide.’ - Hassan Nasrallah
Why attach so much importance to words when most people do not stand by what they say? Ideology is pure rhetoric. Since WWII, the US has been involved in more wars, invaded more countries and destabilised more countries than any other nation. They invaded North Korea and isntalled a military dictatorship in South Korea. They invaded Vietnam, got a sound beating and fled, but not before destroying North Vietnam's agriculture with Agent Orange and napalm, and for years they blocked Vietnam's entry into the UN and subjected Vietnam to sanctions. They invaded neighbouring countries, Grenada and Panama, and in the case of the latter they abducted the then President of Panama Manuel Noriega (aka Pineapple Face) who was a close friend of the CIA and partnered with them in importing drugs into the US. They financed terrorists and death squads throughout South America to destabilise anti-US governments. None of these actions are enshrined in the US Constitution. And you talk about mere words?
On September 14, 2006, Amnesty International released a report accusing Hezbollah of war crimes during the 2006 conflict with Israel.
And similarly they have released other reports condemning Israel's actions.
Human Rights Watch have similarly accused Hezbollah of war crimes in a report issued on August 5, 2006.
And a day later HRW issued this report
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm (http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm)
documenting "serious violations of international humanitarian law by Israel Defense Forces"
See, it works both ways.. war is not just one persons fault. There isnt always a good and bad guy.
Of course. But the problem is that most people reading the Western press will only get to hear Israel's side of the story -
(i) organisations like Hezbollah and Hamas are deemed to be terrorist organisations by the US and the EU, and anything they (Hezbollah/Hamas) say are automatically deemed not worth reporting (unless they're provocative like "We'll push the Jews into the sea").
(ii) Israel simply has the better PR, their spokespeople usually speaks good English and are mostly eloquent
Israel withdrew to where they should withdraw from, what is the problem exactly? If there is no border what are they meant to do? They withdrew to the UN agreed line. Unfortunately Hizbullah disagree.
Because Hezbollah contends that Israel is occupying their Shebaa Farms. Israel knows perfectly well it's not Israeli land, they say it belongs to Syria, but ironically Syria says it belongs to Lebanon!
I dont think there was either side that was right or wrong in the Lebanon war... There isn't usually a clearly defined 100% good/evil in a war situation. Everyone is bad and good on different levels.
I wholeheartedly agree. What I'm sick of the hypocrisy and double standards. Eg one side kills a bunch of civilians and the killers are labelled terrorists and the civilians are victims of terrorism, the other side kills a bunch of civilians and the killers are just doing their job whilst the victims are just collateral damage and another statistic.
And as a consequence of America's war of terror now any country wishing to suppress domestic critics simply has to label them terrorists and they automatically have a carte blanche to silence those critics.
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I do agree that the US government does need to be rethought a bit. Despite our massive action on the world scene (idiocy or intelligence, it doesn't matter) we are a young country, yet. I think we need to return to what alot of the early thinkers thought. We need 50 linked, yet independent states. Globalization has affected the united states as much as it has affected the world. No longer am I a yankee I am just another person from the united states. We have given up our individual cultures and practices and obliged the federal government in ways that have nullified much of the states powers. We've pretty much all become homogenous.
Oh, and the homeland security dept. Well, it destroyed the system of checks and balances.
--Fish
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...and of course, JFK was shot by secret service member/driver William Greer because he planned to end the Federal Reserve and he intended to disclose all that was known by the US gov on the ET phenomenon.
Here's an extract from my latest myspace blog (May 1st)
Do you know who the Jesuits aka The Society of Jesus are? If not you may be interested to learn of a man named Peter Hans Kolvenbach (aka The Black Pope) who is the current Superior General of the Jesuit Order and the most powerful man in the world right now. It is he who controls the Vatican, its bank (the biggest bank), the Catholic church, the Illuminati/Knights of Malta and much, much more. The Whitehouse pays rent to the Vatican, the Vatican control the mafia. Would you like to know who it really was behind the world wars, 9/11 and most of the other great atrocities our world has endured over the last 2000+ years?
Vatican Assassins - presented by Eric Jon Phelps
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...tican+assassins (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5462018011643775425&q=vatican+assassins)
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Oh, and the homeland security dept. Well, it destroyed the system of checks and balances.
Will the American people ever learn? Will the World ever learn? Bush's War Of Terror is a re-run of the McCarthy "war on innocent American people" of the 1940's and 1950's.
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Oh, and the homeland security dept. Well, it destroyed the system of checks and balances.
Will the American people ever learn? Will the World ever learn? Bush's War Of Terror is a re-run of the McCarthy "war on innocent American people" of the 1940's and 1950's.
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I agree completely
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let me say first up im not taking anyones side more aligning with the information... if that information takes the form or medium of a person then i may pay attention.
and ive also heard alot from alot of "critical thinkers" and am fairly well and "widely' educated though young...
Cresho
Support 9/11? You're supporting lies, death, destruction, bullying and the NWO
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It' interesting you mention this but alot of people are aware of this.
anyway, if you been reading up on other stuff, the combined reading i have done leads to a big war that will destroy 40% of the population. .
heard this one too, massive nuclear warfare, enough to take out the northern hemisphere and reduce the population by atleast 50%, thats why america has been chartering two orion transporter flights per week to the centre of the australian outback for along time (aka, not so secret underground base)
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desertrat said, with regard to East Timor, No oil. Next. (Sorry smile.gif
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That turns out not to be the case. East timor has oil rights in the ocean between themselves and Australia which the Aussie government wishes to secure.
a very close to home issue for australia... as we are one of the closest western nations to asia, as for the oil rights well a large amount of them are being pumped by american companies like caltex...
Do you know who the Jesuits
not really but ive heard that they put the vowels in our "alphabet" to take the "power" out of our tones/voices and communication
i think sure oil has had some uses, but we could have survived without it and it looks like we may have too...
if youve been watching the TV you may have heard of something called the Gulf Stream, the seas dont have to rise 40m to make bad for us, if this ocean current stops, britian gets canadas climate and alot of the rainforests being to dies off in south america. before long there aint much left... its happened before, scientist are finding proof in the ice cores they are drilling that it has stopped before. now its slowing down as more and moer fresh water is being released do dilute its salty waters.
as for "other peoples oil" there are better power sources, both invernted, hidden and yet to be discovered, but oil can play as a huge power chip, that can seem like such an important thing to fight for, as well as religion and political regimes of developing nations who know even less about these new technologies and thus feel the need for it more....
killing isnt nice, big full stop, i dont like , my grandfather did it for "his" country, his father did it for "his country" and those that came before them. yet today people kill animals and people like its ok, as if there's no other way, and "this is how we survive and got this far"... Bull, ive read discernable evidence that shows we have "canine teeth" not from eating meat, and didnt startout doing it.
how much inffluence does anyone one individual really have or could have in what is and will probably play itself out... no less then the recreaton of the final chapters of the bible... reality tv, eat your heart out...
but we can sit and throw supposed facts and reports and links at each other all night and all day, sure we might learn something, might even get a little worked up ...
we do apparently live in a democracy and good things have come in the past from that and could again,
hell maybe im being negative and a pessimist, trying to talk people put of becoming proactive... but how the hell are we going to sort out this population expansion, screw up and kill nature process...
the solutions are allready there, the moajority of whats going on is for fun and not necessary, totall wank off in the park for the kids... we could fix or stop it all tommorow, all of a sudden all oil shifts dimensions and theres none here when we wake up tommorow... big problem solved,
mothers earth/nature is the real boss here and it doent mater so much how slick and well coloured captain planets hair, if wheeler want the hot-babe wannabe blonde russian, then gia will accept that, and understands that he (and she) are in the process of working something, playing for survival...
but i like trees and im sure wheeler could learn to appreciate them more if he gave up on trying to crack on the babes all the time, maybe even let go of his old leather bomber jacket for some groovy hemp threads
but what are we here for ? where is this (not all of that up there) going ... (well some of that)
why dont you want the micro chip ?? if youd never do anything wrong, right ... wouldnt you ???
what is wrong what is right, well it doesnt seem that big of an issue, we have legal systems and laws that have over time "worked" all this out.
am i immorally wrong and condemmed (even partially) for spending too much time on my Z and not getting enough of the suns vital life giving energy ???
surely something so important to a plants growth cycle and ours should be of vital significance and hiding away from it shouldnt be allowed.... well it didnt used to be, it was regarded as heretic and you could even have been burned at the stake for it ... the aztecs woshipped it, it is us, everything about us, where we came from where we are going, its all tied and worked in together.
can you have more impact or inffluence from not doing than doing ??? can you really not do ??? not really...
id say alot of here as i dont really perscribe to the status quo, how many of you own an SUV ?? thats why we are here and not fighting for our country in iraq, what you say, thats not the highest most important thing you could do for you people but to be at the cutting edge of the defense to protect your loved ones from death, pain or torture ???
You think you can do better by spending all day drinking your mallakka-late outside in the free wifi utilising a japanese creation ?? the very people that did... and we .... not going to bring that up....
but you say im using it against the evil information processing devices, the ones that work inneficienty with secret source code and loose back-doors heheh , surely that must be important, to make more effective information systems for this worlds developing information needs. we must stop the work force from becoming a slave to bill gates satanic right hand, thats what doom was all about right.... oh that was a carmackian thing relating to previous/current/future civilisations on mars and things to do with defecting german scientists who took over the world because they could get enough FPS out of their lab rats ...oooh , if only they were running linux , we could all get a piece of the proverbial pie, so long as they follow the GNU guidelines...
apparently they didnt allow the sale of the ps1 in irag/middle east because it was powerfull enough to potentially be strapped to a rocket making it an ICBM ...
where's the: chinese_firecracker_to_ICBM_converter-6.6.6-arm5vtel.ipk
its not there, an i doubt theres any one working on it, why, probably because those that want it or could afford to use it allready have shite loads of rpg's and stingers leftover from the last invasion aka russia. sure thats not an ICBM or a scud in your pocket but along way from a phreaky breakfast toy that gives you free phone calls
maybe sometimes people in power lfee comforted with the idea of the masses fighting amongst themselves, hey it keeps them busy from coming over and "hassling" me... give them some sticks and perhaps itll stop them fighting with rocks
i sometimes feel like ive fallen into some kind of japanese business man's organizational fetish/ploy to distract me from developing a mech-warrior just like theirs, or something better for the planet in my personal case, or maybe spending the next 3 months digging a backyard nuclear proof bunker... and as a bonus becoming a bulked up spunky respectable MAN, rather than what my mum calls a sick,thin, pale looking excuse of a child/member of society
geez, i sometime imagine this wise old grey mustached chinese spirit, sitting back thinking, if only i had gone for a walk that day and not continue to smash rocks together when i was 15... but thats a rather reductionalistic view on the whole event as many traditional tribal plant people will say that the plants told them how to be used, rather than the other way around...
im not racist, i try my hardest not to be these days... my family are self labelled as such... perhaps the australian equivelant to redneck what ever that is....
oh no i just screwed up, i just crossed my family, im doomed for life because i dv w/ my mum when i was young and should be put to death ... but what about jesus, and the new testament, screw that once a missfit always a misfit i hear them say... no not really, i didnt hear a voice ... i was thinking it as part of a thought model experiment into Intra-Cellular Commmunication AI , totally in control...
nope, were all in this together, one or none, peace or none, love or none, food or none, shelter or none, sun or the lcd backlighting your lcd which is full of murcury gas... i think well get there ... you live and you learn they say, well id have to add that i very much doubt that the learning ends at death and for alot of people and the way they have been living their lives, thats when it really gets going...
id like to think i can make the most of my chance for beingness/existence in "this time" that i can become open enough to let love light my path, perhaps its all there is, so "hook" me up johnny and lets see how deep the "rabbit" hole goes....