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General Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: maximusz on April 24, 2007, 05:02:29 pm
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I have been looking for a replacement for the Z for a few months - this looks like a perfect match -
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/art...php?storyid=524 (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=524)
I have no idea how it took us all so long to find this. On the 12th April, a date in Internet history and well before the Intel IDF, Hardspell published this image of the Fujitsu UMPC.
It looks like a rendering. They also published the following specs.
* Stealey processor - 800MHz
* 1GB memory,
* 40GB hard disk,
* SD reader,
* two cameras,
* 5.6 inches 1024x600 screen.
* Equipped two cell battery,
* Weight:499g.
* four cell battery can last 7 hours
[some spelling corrected from source]
The specs are in line with McCaslin/UMPC 2007. 3.5 hours for a two cell battery sounds good and slightly more than I had expected for a small screen device although this could be the best-case figure. Interesting to note the 1024x600 resolution on a 5.6" screen. Too high? In addition to those specs, I think there's a fingerprint reader in there somewhere.
I think it's time to get this device into the product database so we can track news, images and specs. Will do that later today.
VIdeo -- http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/200...su_umpc_vi.html (http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/04/fujitsu_umpc_vi.html)
letś just hope this gets out there in the next few months!!!
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Shall we also forget about our pocket?
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Shall we also forget about our pocket?
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This is the best replacement that I have seen so far..... is there something better out there?
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It definitely fits into the category of "interesting small laptop" but not in "Zaurus replacement".
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Too big for me. Looks like another vista unit so, no auto-resume. Pretty much a nonstarter for me.
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Max,
I have had mine a few days now. Pocketsize isn't much good if you can't do what you need to do. I now have a useful device rather than one I HAD to constantly tinker with and never got quite right. If you must put it in your pocket, this isn't it. Good luck.
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Max,
I have had mine a few days now. Pocketsize isn't much good if you can't do what you need to do. I now have a useful device rather than one I HAD to constantly tinker with and never got quite right. If you must put it in your pocket, this isn't it. Good luck.
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just use the damn zaurus. it is still kicking ass! everyone who sees me using it is amazed about what it can do and wants to get one.
the Z is well designed hardware wise and will probably last a few more years by which time plenty of new devices will be out there. dont worry about all the new wannabes. give them a few years to mature before they are any good. the zaurus took several generations before it became this suprior mini pocketable laptop.
on the zaurus you either use a mature and stable distro which has eveything working, or those bleeding edge distros that use the latest kernels, etc... and are a bit faster but have half the features not working. its really up to you whether you want to actually use your unit productively or play around with it...
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Max,
I have had mine a few days now. Pocketsize isn't much good if you can't do what you need to do. I now have a useful device rather than one I HAD to constantly tinker with and never got quite right. If you must put it in your pocket, this isn't it. Good luck.
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just use the damn zaurus. it is still kicking ass! everyone who sees me using it is amazed about what it can do and wants to get one.
the Z is well designed hardware wise and will probably last a few more years by which time plenty of new devices will be out there. dont worry about all the new wannabes. give them a few years to mature before they are any good. the zaurus took several generations before it became this suprior mini pocketable laptop.
on the zaurus you either use a mature and stable distro which has eveything working, or those bleeding edge distros that use the latest kernels, etc... and are a bit faster but have half the features not working. its really up to you whether you want to actually use your unit productively or play around with it...
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Hear hear!
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Max,
I have had mine a few days now. Pocketsize isn't much good if you can't do what you need to do. I now have a useful device rather than one I HAD to constantly tinker with and never got quite right. If you must put it in your pocket, this isn't it. Good luck.
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You mean you have one of these fujitsus? Are they for sale? More info, please.
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While the specs are indeed impressive, nothing beats the Zaurus inthe price-performance comparison - Yet.
I mean the Fujitsu will probably sell for something like $2000 - thats too high a price for portability. The Zaurus wins hands down for this reason alone - for the price of a good portable solution, it does more than what you expected.
Really speaking who wants a portable device to run the whole gamut of word processing and spreadsheeting and picture editing in its full glory while on the move.
An on-the-move solution is wholly different from a desktop based (even laptop) solution. So just cramming in a desktop powered thingie in a portable package doesnt always make a winning solution.
This is where the price-performance issue comes in. Together. Not just price, not just performance alone.
My 2 cents.
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* 5.6 inches 1024x600 screen.
That's overkill. There's no way anyone can read a screen that size of that resolution. This is about a specification war, not a usable device.
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* 5.6 inches 1024x600 screen.
That's overkill. There's no way anyone can read a screen that size of that resolution. This is about a specification war, not a usable device.
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Dunno. Those pixels aren't a whole lot smaller than the Zaurus' 3.5" @ 640x480
I've found (poking at a sony UX-91) that downscaling its native 4.5" @ 1024x600
to 800x600 helps with readability considerably;
so if there's an option to downscale the Fujitsu screen, it could help;
if its not too fuzzy or artifacted.
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I always see people complaining about too many resolution for a small screen; that's a wrong statement:
1) screen resolution, the more, the better (well maybe not but because of power requirements)
2) another issue is the font you use to display text, menus, ... which in moder UI is completely adjustable, so you can get your apps show at the size you want
So please, never complain about too much resolution and learn how to make your UI fonts at the proper size your eyes need !!
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I always see people complaining about too many resolution for a small screen; that's a wrong statement:
1) screen resolution, the more, the better (well maybe not but because of power requirements)
2) another issue is the font you use to display text, menus, ... which in moder UI is completely adjustable, so you can get your apps show at the size you want
So please, never complain about too much resolution and learn how to make your UI fonts at the proper size your eyes need !!
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In principle for (1) you are right. Agreed.
For (2), I know of NO modern operating system where you can change the onscreen resolution (i.e. you can tell the system I have x pixels per inch, please draw things accordingly). It is NOT just the font, but the size of the menubar, buttons, and all UI elements. There is some talk of resolution independence in Leopard, to some degree. I can see NO controls in Vista or Linux to tell the whole system of the dpi resolution.
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I always see people complaining about too many resolution for a small screen; that's a wrong statement:
1) screen resolution, the more, the better (well maybe not but because of power requirements)
2) another issue is the font you use to display text, menus, ... which in moder UI is completely adjustable, so you can get your apps show at the size you want
So please, never complain about too much resolution and learn how to make your UI fonts at the proper size your eyes need !!
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In principle for (1) you are right. Agreed.
For (2), I know of NO modern operating system where you can change the onscreen resolution (i.e. you can tell the system I have x pixels per inch, please draw things accordingly). It is NOT just the font, but the size of the menubar, buttons, and all UI elements. There is some talk of resolution independence in Leopard, to some degree. I can see NO controls in Vista or Linux to tell the whole system of the dpi resolution.
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have a look at project lookingglass
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well,
- on my gnome desktop right now, I go to applications-settings-gnome controls center-font, and there I can choose application font, desktop font, window title font and terminal font
- other programs let you select its own program font
- as gnome-themes, I can also see some liek 'large text and icons',
- in firefox - preferences you can also select font for different text placements,
I think it's doable, but I agree that maybe a general setting to just zoom everything would make things easier
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For (2), I know of NO modern operating system where you can change the onscreen resolution (i.e. you can tell the system I have x pixels per inch, please draw things accordingly). It is NOT just the font, but the size of the menubar, buttons, and all UI elements. There is some talk of resolution independence in Leopard, to some degree. I can see NO controls in Vista or Linux to tell the whole system of the dpi resolution.
Vista is new, not modern
I'm not sure a DPI setting will be all that useful because you can fine tune all the gui elements using styles/themes:
In KDE you can easily change the font sizes used, you can change the styles which makes the sizes of the various gui elements like slider bars, buttons etc, larger or smaller.
I don't know about Vista but even Win98 allowed you to change various aspects of the gui (font size, icon size, title bar size etc) and have them incorporated into themes.
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playing with font sizes or font colors is always bad under windows, i used to have an inverse theme where the greay was black and the black was red (ie text and such) but there are so many apps out there that hard code the colors instead of using somthing like the predefined toobar color
i assum linux is the same to some degree (never tried) however at least i can submit a patch
actually linux may have it better as most of the theme and coloring stuff is handeled by the WM and theme egine as far as i can tell
one thing i would love to see is compositing support on more platforms, even those without 3d, waht that means is that when you uncover a window (from having somthing on top of it) it just majically displays it instead of getting the app to redraw it, i ma be misinformed but i dont belive X does this out of the box as it generally needs more ram (ie you have to give each app an area in mem to draw its entire screen and you cut an passte them together to display the screen, moving one app means the compositor jdoes all teh work and the apps dont need to redraw)
reason i bring that up is byrel has that nice zoom feature and "invert colors on screen" which would be nice for these things, the inversion is great for apps at night (i have had problems with gpsdrive and its "inverse mode" and zoom wolud be handy on such a small screen, in fact if i could just use the screen keyboard on the kohjinsha as the area to look at movement thingy then it would be perfect with zoom
now if i could just work out how to get those 2 features without byrel/compiz i would be fine.
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have a look at project lookingglass
It's just that, a project, not the underpinning of a current operating system.
I'm not saying this sort of thing is not possible. I am just saying that current OSes do not fully support resolution independence. And until they do, too many pixels on a small screen becomes illegible. I was seriously thinking of buying a Sony Vaio to replace my Zaurus until I tried it and found it to be completely unusable because the user interface was unreadable.
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i thought ciaro was suposed to help some of that by moving away from pixels and going to dpi as well as vector graphics (thats what i got out of it)
as far as i can tell the only things on PCs that have display independence is websites where the designers are not too "hands on" anything with well structured data seems to flow well
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But for the browser design, if using firefox, there are a lot of extension and/or greasemonkey scripts to actually adapt any lazy-windows-1900x1600 designed website to render properly n your environment.
As always, it's not an easy task but doable.
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as always YMMV right
actually i was talking about sites designed for 800x600 on smaller screens (like the Z) as it seems sites designed for 1024 are becomming more common
the worst would have to be the heavy ad loaded news sites
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the worst would have to be the heavy ad loaded news sites
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A custom hosts file really helps with those sites.
(not with the layout, but the amount of crap on the screen)
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In KDE you can easily change the font sizes used, you can change the styles which makes the sizes of the various gui elements like slider bars, buttons etc, larger or smaller.
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yup, in KDE you can set the sizes of icons in the start menu (in windows you have two choices).. in fact, you can tune almost everything, but not all options are trivially available, probably because it'd be overwhelming.
this Fujitsu with v high res means you'd have beautiful smooth screen fonts , less need for anti-aliassing, very detailed photos etc.
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found a video showing the swivel
http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/200...su_umpc_vi.html (http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/04/fujitsu_umpc_vi.html)
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I wonder why they never show the keyboard. From what I can see it looks like a grid layout with square-shaped keys. Otherwise, from comparison with the hands, the form factor looks good to me. It's a pity none of these devices makes it to Europe.
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Max,
I have had mine a few days now. Pocketsize isn't much good if you can't do what you need to do. I now have a useful device rather than one I HAD to constantly tinker with and never got quite right. If you must put it in your pocket, this isn't it. Good luck.
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You mean you have one of these fujitsus? Are they for sale? More info, please.
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No, I think there has been some editing of the original post. When I responded to it, it was referencing the Libretto U100. Otherwise, I really need to have a talk with my crack dealer because he is giving me some bad stuff. I imagine that the model listed now costs about as much as my car. Didn't mean to get Meanie upset, so I will just shut up now.
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Here's more information and a mini review of the Fujitsu for those who have been waiting for more details on this potential Zaurus replacement.
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/art...php?storyid=592 (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=592)
Be sure to check out the link to the hands-on report by PC World.
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In terms of form factors, this beast is literally the evolved (mutated) version of Zaurus!
Given the hardware, it is questionable about its performance running XP, perhaps forget about Vista ...
But having it run *nix will be super cool!
More links:
Fujitsu official site:
http://www.fmworld.net/biz/fmv/product/hard/blb0704/u8240/ (http://www.fmworld.net/biz/fmv/product/hard/blb0704/u8240/)
Mobile Daily News Blog (in japanese):
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yamadaatmn/20070516/1179320510 (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yamadaatmn/20070516/1179320510)
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If the device could be fitted with a flash SSD and underclocked, it'd probably have a formidable battery life... I agree it looks like a mutant ninja hero zaurus that escaped from Sharp's lab.
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This really looks like my next zaurus, at least.
It also has sd AND cf, so I'll be able to reuse all my cf-cards-stock-i-thought-useless !!
I wish that there exist a 3G-HSDPA cf card compatible with this unit.
As far as downclocking, I pretty much think that'll be possible, since it's based in the latest intel portable technology. I also think it could be feasible to just disconnect the HD and make it boot from SD !!
I'm really eager to see linux on this, even I realize that those units won't be available in general until aprox. 6months from now; another wait, but I'm already used to wait for the wifi-bluetooth-zaurus anyway !
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This really looks like my next zaurus, at least.
It also has sd AND cf, so I'll be able to reuse all my cf-cards-stock-i-thought-useless !!
I wish that there exist a 3G-HSDPA cf card compatible with this unit.
As far as downclocking, I pretty much think that'll be possible, since it's based in the latest intel portable technology. I also think it could be feasible to just disconnect the HD and make it boot from SD !!
I'm really eager to see linux on this, even I realize that those units won't be available in general until aprox. 6months from now; another wait, but I'm already used to wait for the wifi-bluetooth-zaurus anyway !
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indeed, a CF slot is a valuable commodity in this case. Could use a CF to PCMCIA adaptor and a 3G card in that, or of course use USB 3g adaptor.
if the internal hdd is PATA, then could use PATA to CF adaptor for solid state operation if you can't stretch to a true SSD flash "hard drive".
I hope that conics decide to sell these!
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Be sure to check out the link to the hands-on report by PC World.
Maybe my definition of "hands-on" is different. The above report is just a regurgitation of the specs fluffed out with some prose. There's nothing "hands-on" about it.
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A hands-on review is available at
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/17/pr...ujitsu_fmv8240/ (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/17/preview_fujitsu_fmv8240/)
the first picture reminds me when I first saw the zaurus c700; I thought: K it's here now; let's wait for the next version (first ones always have some problems) and go with it!
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Looking at the specs, it resemble Zaurus's hardware with the latest graphic card and built-in mobile phone modem.
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A hands-on review is available at
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/17/pr...ujitsu_fmv8240/ (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/17/preview_fujitsu_fmv8240/)
the first picture reminds me when I first saw the zaurus c700; I thought: K it's here now; let's wait for the next version (first ones always have some problems) and go with it!
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indeed, the followup updates when they fix whatever niggles are present should be a winner... at the very least I'll wait until there are enough around that I could be confident it will work reliably. I'm glad I didn't buy an OQO for example.
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Looking at the specs, it resemble Zaurus's hardware with the latest graphic card and built-in mobile phone modem.
There are no telephony features in it, plus it doesn't have BT nor IRDA so connecting to a phone is difficult without further hardware. Although it does come with a couple of features that are probably useless to linux users until someone can reverse engineer the hardware - a fingerprint recogniser and a USB lock.
And it's got the obligatory (windoze only) CTRL-ALT-DEL key
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personally i think that a phone is better than a cf 3g card, it brings its own battery
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personally i think that a phone is better than a cf 3g card, it brings its own battery
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I think that's the problem: once all those twitter updates drained your battery, you are not able to make an important call.
Since I consider the ability to call a #1 priority, my preference is to have a phone always ready for calling, and other stuff for web use.
What I considered, given the price of some hanset, is to strip one and hard-attach-wired it to the usb port, so it always goes with you. A brute-DIY usb 3g modem, I know.
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Hrm.
So tempting, so tempting.
I've built a mockup, though, and the Fujitsu definitely will NOT fit
in my pants' pocket. Close, but, NOPE.
I'm going to try with the FlipStart dimensions, next- see if that's any better.
They're pretty similar in total volume, but FS has an option for a mini-battery
that's reputed to be much improved.
FS users report that its noisy. I'm wondering about heat.
Any Zaurers tried one yet?
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Still, as always, one big concern is its battery capacity. The spec sheet says the battery is 7.2V 2600mAh ( http://www.fmworld.net/biz/fmv/product/har...u8240/spec.html (http://www.fmworld.net/biz/fmv/product/hard/blb0704/u8240/spec.html) ), with power consumption from 9W to 40W, compared to Zaurus C3x00 which is 1800 mAh and uses 3.2W (C1000 eating 2.7V because of the lack of microdrive?). I begin to doubt the real power usage.
With the microdrive in my 3200 swapped with a CF, i am sure my Terrier can get much more juice than this beast. Plus ... i am carrying around a damned cheap (~ 10 euros) PSP emergency charger which is only less than half the size of my Z but has an extremely high capacity (9800 mAh!!), together with my Logic-3 retractable PSP USB Charger/Data cable, practically there is no need to worry about battery usage for my Z.
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I believe there is another line "7.2V 5200mAh" in
"リチウムイオン 7.2V 2600mAh（内蔵バッテリパック）、
7.2V 5200mAh（内蔵バッテリパック（L））"
I got a feeling it means you get 7hrs only with an extended batt, something you can already do with some models of Sony and Fujitsu. Most sub-notebooks can prob do 5~7 hrs with the right batt, unfortunately most companies do not release extended batts, and even when they do, they cost a bomb.
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Posted for sale already..... but no price ?!?
http://www.dynamism.com/u8240/main.shtml (http://www.dynamism.com/u8240/main.shtml)
It looks like the men with the fingers in all UMPC pies, the Dynamism gang, have secured a deal for the Fujitsu UMPC. I've just seen the info come through on their RSS feed. They will be offering two versions of the Fujitsu UMPC from Japan. One with XP Pro (English) and one with Vista Business (English.)
It will be available in June with either 20 or 40GB HDD (depending on which part of their site you read!) but there is no pricing yet. I assume this will be a Japanese import and will be offered with pricing that reflects the import and software re-install costs.
Lets hope it sells for under a grand?
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It looks like the men with the fingers in all UMPC pies, the Dynamism gang, have secured a deal for the Fujitsu UMPC. I've just seen the info come through on their RSS feed. They will be offering two versions of the Fujitsu UMPC from Japan. One with XP Pro (English) and one with Vista Business (English.)
It will be available in June with either 20 or 40GB HDD (depending on which part of their site you read!) but there is no pricing yet. I assume this will be a Japanese import and will be offered with pricing that reflects the import and software re-install costs.
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Lifted straight from [a href=\"http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=610]umpcportal.com[/url].
R.
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http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13902...+House+%21.html (http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13902-Fujitsu+U+%28UMPC%29+in+Da+House+%21.html)
review on its way
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It looks like the men with the fingers in all UMPC pies, the Dynamism gang, have secured a deal for the Fujitsu UMPC. I've just seen the info come through on their RSS feed. They will be offering two versions of the Fujitsu UMPC from Japan. One with XP Pro (English) and one with Vista Business (English.)
It will be available in June with either 20 or 40GB HDD (depending on which part of their site you read!) but there is no pricing yet. I assume this will be a Japanese import and will be offered with pricing that reflects the import and software re-install costs.
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Lifted straight from [a href=\"http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=610]umpcportal.com[/url].
R.
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This article is updated and Dynamism has a $2099 price tag on this device. A bit more than I was hoping to spend.
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1400 eur? that's 4xSL-C3200... not that worth.
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*poof* - my interest disappears. mind you, dynamism do charge top price for these things, but even if it were US$1500 or GBP800, it'd still be GBP300 more than I could ever consider.
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*poof* - my interest disappears. mind you, dynamism do charge top price for these things, but even if it were US$1500 or GBP800, it'd still be GBP300 more than I could ever consider.
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Well, if i have $1500 to spend on a Z, I am pretty sure that I can make the best and the most out of it and it will be a super perfect Zaurus with all the nice little mods (like internal bluetooth -- Fatty has already done that), a beefy battery, cool accessories, etc.
And I am already very happy to spend just around 1/3 of the price and have 80% (at least) of the functionality that I actually need for an ultra-laptop/umpc.
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I guess these UMPC devices want to sell only on their Wow factor and their price premiums.
Of course, not anyone in their right minds would want to buy a small device which only packed in a full version of windows and sells for twice your average top-line laptop price. When the much affordable less powerfull but as functional a device as the Zaurus (and add any others in this category, I didnt find any) were available
Unless of course, you were some nerd thinking $2000 would bring you manna from heaven.
No wonder this UMPC thing never picked off.
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I have been looking for a replacement for the Z for a few months - this looks like a perfect match -
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/art...php?storyid=524 (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=524)
I have no idea how it took us all so long to find this. On the 12th April, a date in Internet history and well before the Intel IDF, Hardspell published this image of the Fujitsu UMPC.
It looks like a rendering. They also published the following specs.
* Stealey processor - 800MHz
* 1GB memory,
* 40GB hard disk,
* SD reader,
* two cameras,
* 5.6 inches 1024x600 screen.
* Equipped two cell battery,
* Weight:499g.
* four cell battery can last 7 hours
[some spelling corrected from source]
The specs are in line with McCaslin/UMPC 2007. 3.5 hours for a two cell battery sounds good and slightly more than I had expected for a small screen device although this could be the best-case figure. Interesting to note the 1024x600 resolution on a 5.6" screen. Too high? In addition to those specs, I think there's a fingerprint reader in there somewhere.
I think it's time to get this device into the product database so we can track news, images and specs. Will do that later today.
VIdeo -- http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/200...su_umpc_vi.html (http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/04/fujitsu_umpc_vi.html)
letś just hope this gets out there in the next few months!!!
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Its a Windoze machine and it is very expensive. I could buy myself a nice MacBook for the price.
Chris--
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Its a Windoze machine and it is very expensive. I could buy myself a nice MacBook for the price.
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indeed, you could buy a Zaurus 3200 (plus a quad band gsm/gprs CF card, a CF wifi card, a CF bluetooth card), a Nokia N800 tablet, an E65 phone (quad band + wifi + bluetooth), a 3G usb dongle, and a Kohjinsha all included for that price!
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Review of the Fujitsu
From Akihabara News (http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/review-82-X.html)
Looks very, very nice, but very very expensive. Plus how well Linux will run is still unknown.
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First, you may want to fix your link. You have "http..." in there twice.
I think that it would run Linux just fine, since it is using a well-supported Intel graphics, and (I guess) Intel wireless, which are the two largest barriers to using Linux on one of these UMPCs, AFAICT.
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The more I look at it the more I am convinced that it looks like something out of Venture Industries. What with all that retro 70's angles and sheer amount of gizmos crammed in there....
They should use Brock Samson and Molotov Cocktease as their spokesmodels.
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the graphics adaptor is very appealing. but it still looks like retro scifi gear to me
the LED keyboard light seems a bit off to me as well
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from the disassembly photos it looks like the wifi card is a mini pci one, and it says 5GHz so it's probably 802.11a/b/g... and would probably be upgradeable to 802.11n at some time.
I don't know whether the black/white looks are out of date or are retro and modern!
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Review of the Fujitsu
From Akihabara News (http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/review-82-X.html)
Looks very, very nice, but very very expensive. Plus how well Linux will run is still unknown.
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- Wowzers! It's truly stunning what they've crammed into that puppy. But, alas, it has two major failings, beyond the price:
1. It's too big to fit in the fanny pack. If I can't carry it around it could be free and it's no good.
2. It runs winbloze. Unless Linux can simply be stuck on it like any desktop it's not usable as a PDA for this geek.
Seriously insane specs, though. Gotta give it that...
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I've talked to Conics about the Fujitsu, and they're expecting it in early next month at a much more reasonable price than Dynamism or GeekStuff4u. They pointed me to a web link with a yen price and said they'd be charging ~10% premium.
Worked out to about $1450 Canadian for the 1gb model. Much better than 2100US @_@
I'll be picking one up for sure. It may get replaced or supplemented next year by a pocketable Menlow platform, though
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I'll be picking one up for sure. It may get replaced or supplemented next year by a pocketable Menlow platform, though
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Ditto for me.....
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I'm still wondering whether I can get my new employer to buy me one... the snag is they'd probably make me give back the lovely 15" macbook pro
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Conics has them posted now. $1425 US for the base model, +$170US to go to 1gb ram.
I'm waiting on a cheque to come in before I order. I expect I'll have it in a month or so
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I've heard that people with other Fujitsu laptops have problems installing linux as either F don't supply drivers at all, or crappy ones and only for 2.4 kernels. However, I'd love to hear that linux runs just fine on these. I quite like the way the Sony UX series have been made to run Mac OSX!
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II quite like the way the Sony UX series have been made to run Mac OSX!
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Speculatrix,
Any pointer for the above statement.
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II quite like the way the Sony UX series have been made to run Mac OSX!
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Speculatrix,
Any pointer for the above statement.
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Try this one for starters, freizugheit.....
[a href=\"http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140]http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140[/url]
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Fujitsu webshop has them for 117432 Yen now, which is about 950USD.
No mention of BT but you get a 3-year warranty.
I'm still planning on getting a kohjinsha, but this thingie is not so bad either, gonna have to check what it looks and feels like. If only kohjinsha wasn't such a toy... less unused space around the screen + a better keyboard would make kohjinsha a real winner.
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I wish the Fujitsu would shrink by another 1/3 in size or so Still, at 580g it's light.
I was going to buy a Sony UX, but I put that off until the Flipstart came out, just in case. When the Flipstart turned out to be such a let down (ugly, heavy, not enough ram, price+++) I despaired, for I did not want it.
Not long after, Intel announced it's new processors and pics of the Fujitsu hit the net, so I put off buying again.
Now, I have a choice between the Sony and the Fujitsu.
The Sony has BT and more power. It also has a horrible keyboard and lacks an SD card slot. The CF slot is also so slow that it's only real use would be for punishing small children. Most importantly, it's not a clamshell.
The Fujitsu *is* a clamshell and has an SD slot. The keyboard looks much nicer, except for the niggling lack of dedicated arrow keys, etc. Presumably the battery life will be a little better as well. No bluetooth, though.
Neither of them are pocketable. I'll probably have to wait till Menlow next year for that. Damn.
As for Linux drivers, I'm not so sure that's going to matter as much to me this time around. I've become quite taken with virtualization on my Macbook. I'll definitely be trying out installing linux on a virtual machine on whatever one I do get.
I've got cardboard mockups of the Sony, Fujitsu, and the Raon Digital Everun sitting here, just to compare sizes. The Raon is tempting for the single fact that it does one thing that neither of the other two even come close to doing - it fits neatly into my jacket pocket. I just don't know if I could deal with that keyboard.
Right now, I'm planning on the Fujitsu. Further info on the Raon may change that plan, or I may just end up getting them both The Sony was never really the machine I wanted. Now that the palmtop computing market is opening up there are finally better options out there.
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I wish the Fujitsu would shrink by another 1/3 in size or so Still, at 580g it's light.
I was going to buy a Sony UX, but I put that off until the Flipstart came out, just in case. When the Flipstart turned out to be such a let down (ugly, heavy, not enough ram, price+++) I despaired, for I did not want it.
Not long after, Intel announced it's new processors and pics of the Fujitsu hit the net, so I put off buying again.
Now, I have a choice between the Sony and the Fujitsu.
The Sony has BT and more power. It also has a horrible keyboard and lacks an SD card slot. The CF slot is also so slow that it's only real use would be for punishing small children. Most importantly, it's not a clamshell.
The Fujitsu *is* a clamshell and has an SD slot. The keyboard looks much nicer, except for the niggling lack of dedicated arrow keys, etc. Presumably the battery life will be a little better as well. No bluetooth, though.
Neither of them are pocketable. I'll probably have to wait till Menlow next year for that. Damn.
As for Linux drivers, I'm not so sure that's going to matter as much to me this time around. I've become quite taken with virtualization on my Macbook. I'll definitely be trying out installing linux on a virtual machine on whatever one I do get.
I've got cardboard mockups of the Sony, Fujitsu, and the Raon Digital Everun sitting here, just to compare sizes. The Raon is tempting for the single fact that it does one thing that neither of the other two even come close to doing - it fits neatly into my jacket pocket. I just don't know if I could deal with that keyboard.
Right now, I'm planning on the Fujitsu. Further info on the Raon may change that plan, or I may just end up getting them both The Sony was never really the machine I wanted. Now that the palmtop computing market is opening up there are finally better options out there.
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Hey, kahm, I'm right in there with you in terms of struggling to make a decision....
However, I trying to decide between the U8240 and the new Kohjinsha SH6 series.
Boy, you must have good eyesight if you'd like the U8240 even smaller....also, pretty tiny fingers too.... I had the ol' Sony Vaio U101 sometime ago, which is almost the same size as the U8240 and it was a b%*#$ to type on....So, the U8240 is about as small as I'm gonna go with a keyboard....which is also why I'm thinking about the new Kohjinsha as it has a bit larger keyboard and display too...
Since neither one fits in your pocket (well, at least pockets I have...) then the difference in size is less of an issue for me.....
Decisions, decisions.....
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II quite like the way the Sony UX series have been made to run Mac OSX!
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Speculatrix,
Any pointer for the above statement.
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Try this one for starters, freizugheit.....
[a href=\"http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140]http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2140[/url]
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ArchiMark,
Thanks for the pointer.
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Hey, kahm, I'm right in there with you in terms of struggling to make a decision....
However, I trying to decide between the U8240 and the new Kohjinsha SH6 series.
I currently have a Libretto U100, and a friend of mine has an original Kohjinsha. I want the Fujitsu because it's much smaller than either of them. 7" UMPCs just seem so big and clunky.
Boy, you must have good eyesight if you'd like the U8240 even smaller....also, pretty tiny fingers too.... I had the ol' Sony Vaio U101 sometime ago, which is almost the same size as the U8240 and it was a b%*#$ to type on....So, the U8240 is about as small as I'm gonna go with a keyboard....which is also why I'm thinking about the new Kohjinsha as it has a bit larger keyboard and display too...
I played with a Sony UX in the store, which has a 4.5 inch 1024x600 screen - more than an inch smaller than the Fujitsu's - and I *loved* it. The screen on the fujitsu is the same PPI as the Zaurus (~200), vs the Sony (~263?). Personally, I'd consider about 300ppi just about right, but nothing is quite there yet.
Since neither one fits in your pocket (well, at least pockets I have...) then the difference in size is less of an issue for me.....
Well, I've just found out that the Everun can be used as a phone, as well as fitting in my pocket. That means I'm probably not going to get an Openmoko (or an iPhone). I'll be putting that money towards an Everun now
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Well, guys, FWIW, I got the SH6 (1GB RAM/100GB HD/Vista Home Premium) from Conics about 10 days ago..... and so far REALLY like it a lot!
For me, it really is a nice compromise between size (very usable keyboard/sharp bright display...), performance, and portability (not pocketable but neither is the U8240...). Looks good too....
Performs much better than I expected even with Vista....found out a few days after I got it that you can replace the 1GB RAM with a 2 GB RAM stick....so did that and got another boost....
So, very happy with this lil' puppy.....
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ArchiMark,
can you please post some pics, with a zaurus next to it ?
are you planning on installing linux on this unit?
Congratulations!
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I can see NO controls in Vista or Linux to tell the whole system of the dpi resolution.
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(this is a response to an old posting, but I just be tweaking kde having installed suse10.2 on my work apple power book with external/2ndry 24" hires screen)
the X11 settings say the screen resolution, and if you run KDE *every* item on screen can be tuned. I know, because I have been doing just that to make it useable on a 1900x1200 24" display.
we don't care what you can or can't do in windows, this is a zaurus/linux forum!
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
U1010 (U8240)
1gb Ram
40gb HD
WinXP
1xstandard battery
1xextended battery
extra power brick
docking station
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.
In the meantime, I've clock-locked my Libretto down to 800mhz (also 1gb ram) to emulate the experience. I'm running vmware images of Vista and Kubuntu 7.07 on it. (And I'll add OSX if I can...)
Vista runs about as well as can be expected. The vmware Kubuntu is much nicer
As far as Linux compatibility on the U1010 goes, the wireless chipset is Atheros and the trackpoint is Alps, so that should be fine. I haven't confirmed any of the other drivers yet. I might set aside a few gigs of HD to play with native installs.
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.
I really hope it turns out to be worth the wait and much better than your OQO experience. My wife has her beady eye on my Sony TX2 so I might be next in line. My brother might be going to Japan soon and I'd hope he could buy me one there.
In the meantime, I've clock-locked my Libretto down to 800mhz (also 1gb ram) to emulate the experience. I'm running vmware images of Vista and Kubuntu 7.07 on it. (And I'll add OSX if I can...)
huh? what's the native OS then? Why not install linux as host and put vista as guest?
do let us know as soon as possible how you get on!
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.
I really hope it turns out to be worth the wait and much better than your OQO experience. My wife has her beady eye on my Sony TX2 so I might be next in line. My brother might be going to Japan soon and I'd hope he could buy me one there.
I've never played with an OQO. An active digitizer, crazy-stoopid pricing, and super-proprietary-ness of it has always kept me away from that platform.
I've got a friend going over there next week, but the only I'm getting him to pick up this time is a fresh battery for my Z. Looks like I"m not replacing it as a pocketable device until Intel's MID platform next year
In the meantime, I've clock-locked my Libretto down to 800mhz (also 1gb ram) to emulate the experience. I'm running vmware images of Vista and Kubuntu 7.07 on it. (And I'll add OSX if I can...)
huh? what's the native OS then? Why not install linux as host and put vista as guest?
The native platform is WinXP. I've got Vista there for my Job, OSX will be nice if I can get it to work, but isn't too important.
I'll be running Kubuntu or Xubuntu under vmware because it just works. Getting Linux working well natively on these devices is usually quite hard - you will almost certainly lose access to things like the fingerprint scanner - and windows native playback of things like video and flash has better performance.
For example - my libretto has better flash performance @ 800mhz under windows than it does @ 1.1ghz under linux.
Therefore, windows native for most things and vmware linux for the things that I want to do under linux (Development, etc).
I will be wiping the unit to install XP Tablet edition, so I may leave a few gigs free to play with a native linux partition, but I don't expect it to work very well. (I've also heard that Fujitsu is notoriously linux unfriendly anyway. A low volume, highly specialized mobile device like the U1010 will probably be a near-complete wash. )
Things that ought to work: Video, Lan, Wifi, trackpoint, USB.
Unknown: Bluetooth, Touchscreen, Compact Flash, SD, fingerprint scanner.
do let us know as soon as possible how you get on!
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I'll be doing a review, pics, and maybe some video about it
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.
any news? there's a possibility of me being able to order one via my brother who's visiting Japan, or posssibly via a brief visit to Dynamism in October, so I'd really like to know what they're like before I do something stupid!!!
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Unbelievably, the thing was shipped yesterday ;_; I suspect it's still in the air as we speak.
Things have changed a little with the announcement of the availability of the U810 "Darth Vader" (all black) model for the US. It comes with the extended battery and the top end specs - 1gb ram, 40gb hd, wifi, BT, for only ~$1000 US. AT&T is apparently going to release a version with HSPDA built in for ~$1300 at the start of next year.
(Mine is is the U8240 "Stormtrooper" (Black and white) Japanese model. It lacks bluetooth (grrr) and cost a fair penny more than the US one. Plus, it came with only the standard battery. The extended battery was extra)
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Things have changed a little with the announcement of the availability of the U810 "Darth Vader" (all (Mine is is the U8240 "Stormtrooper" (Black and white) Japanese model. It lacks bluetooth (grrr) and [div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=166357\")
hmmm, U810? ah...
[a href=\"http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsus-lifebook-u810-hits-the-fcc/]http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsu...0-hits-the-fcc/[/url]
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Things have changed a little with the announcement of the availability of the U810 "Darth Vader" (all (Mine is is the U8240 "Stormtrooper" (Black and white) Japanese model. It lacks bluetooth (grrr) and [div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=166357\")
hmmm, U810? ah...
[a href=\"http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsus-lifebook-u810-hits-the-fcc/]http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsu...0-hits-the-fcc/[/url]
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It seems to go like this:
U8240 - Japanese Model, no bluetooh. Black and white, standard battery.
U1010 - International Model. Includes Bluetooth. Black and white, standard battery.
U810 - US model. Includes bluetooth, all black, extended battery.
The US model seems cheaper and better spec'd (not to mention all black) than other versions.
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I did a search on F's site and it appears they are haveput a userguide online:
http://search.fujitsu.com/us/search.jsp?en...G.x=0&&filter=0 (http://search.fujitsu.com/us/search.jsp?entqr=0&access=p&restrict=all_us&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&ie=UTF-8&btnG.y=0&q=u1010&num=10&btnG.x=0&&filter=0)
there's also a sign-up page to get news of when it comes to USA in mid September:
http://www.computers.us.fujitsu.com/smallwonder/index.php (http://www.computers.us.fujitsu.com/smallwonder/index.php)
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Well, I've had it for a few days now, but I'm just managing to get an English copy of Windows on it. I'm generally positive on it, but there a few disappointments.
Hopefully I'll have pics up later this week.
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Well, I've had it for a few days now, but I'm just managing to get an English copy of Windows on it. I'm generally positive on it, but there a few disappointments.
Hopefully I'll have pics up later this week.
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ok, well, not that I'm gagging to know the results, but would rather you waited a day and gave us solid first impressions than rushed in with imperfect news.
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Well, I've finally got some photos online of the Fujitsu. Full set here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57601843755726/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondependency/1316147341/in/set-72157601843755726/)
I've shown it beside some SL3x00 Zaurii, a Toshiba Libretto U100, and a Macbook Core 2 Duo. And one bad shot in London Drugs beside a Sony UX380.
The keyboard is pretty good. The Z is still better at thumb typing, but the Fuji is loads better than any other Intel device I've tried. The screen is almost exactly the same DPI as the Z's, so reading it isn't any problem. It seems quite bright, with good colour as well.
Ergonmically it's pretty good. I have the extended battery (they haven't shipped my standard battery yet), so it feels a bit top heavy.
Performance is *very* good. Full screen DIVX video at HD resolutions runs without a hitch, as does full screen flash video. I'm running under XP Tablet edition and it feels very snappy.
Doesn't generate much heat, and the fan is quiet when it's running.
Battery life on the extended battery is a solid 5 hrs, even with wifi. (Sitting idle I saw a time of 7h 18m reported by the battery tool)
The SD card slot appears to only be SD, and not SDHC compatible. I haven't tested it yet, but a friend of mine does have an 8gb card will soon be able to shove in there. The CF card lets me use my Z's CF accessories (like bluetooth) as well as memory cards.
Downsides? Construction feels a bit soft and plasticy. The back of the screen is plastic compared to the Z's Aluminum. The hinge mechanism is metal, thankfully, but does give the impression of being a weak link. In practice it's been more solid than expected, but we'll see. It's also too big to put in my pocket, which I know but is still annoying.
The keyboard is a little...wonky. No page up/down, and you have to press FN to get the arrow keys. I"ve fixed this by remapping the keys so the arrows work straight out and the other keys require FN. It's okay for everything except the "." key, which I remapped to use one of the now useless Kanji keys. There are also 2 special buttons beside the trackstick that were mapped to arrow up and down. I've replaced that with pge up/down, which will make using it as an ebook reader a little nicer.
I haven't had much time to do much with it yet. Getting an English version of WinXP Tablet working was a bit of an experience. I expect to really put it through it's paces this week
I've got the docking station, hooked up to an external 500gb HD, DVD-RW, ethernet, 17" LCD, and Mouse/Keyboard. I suspect that you really could use this setup as your desktop computer without too much worry, given the surprising grunt of the A110 processor.
I've imaged it using clonezilla, onto the 500gb drive. It's easy and fast enough that I suspect I can swap HD images with no more fuss than on the Z. I'll eventually try out Vista and Linux on here, but I suspect XP tablet (with possibly Linux in a vmware image) will be the day-to-day OS.
So, I can't be rid of my 3000 yet. I've bought a new battery for it and will continue to carry it as my writing and database tool. I'm going to set up Unison to keep the Z, the Fuji, and my Desktop synchronized so it won't matter where I am or what I'm doing - I'll always have access to my latest documents and work Looking forward to it.
If anyone is still reading this, I'll gladly answer any questions you might have about it
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Maybe this has been discussed (but the thread is really long):
kahm ... are you already running linux on it ?
if so which periferals are already supported and which are not ?
I looked at the Fujitsu-Siemens site for the pricing it still seems a little expensive (around 1600 USD) but a little better priced then the toshiba toughbooks ...
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wow, what a nice picture set !
btw, I wonder what can you do with 3-Z, 1Libretto and 1 Fujitsu U101, apart from the rest of the stuff that appears on the pics, and how you made it to convince your wife/[girl|boy]friend/whatever all that was necessary!
I thought the Fujitsu would be much smaller, but looking the gallery it seems pretty obvious that the Fujitsu is another type of machine.
Thanks for the pics; now we are waiting for the linux installation experiences
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yes, thanks for that. perhaps you can simply boot the Fujitsu from a live linux CD and see what devices it finds?
also, very useful to note that the Japanese version is lacking the mini pcie slot, I didn't know that.
so far, apart from the keyboard, I definitely want one! I am hoping they'll be on sale in the USA in time for my trip there end of this month so I can see what they're like and abuse my credit card if they're really as nice as I'd hope!
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Well, I've finally got some photos online of the Fujitsu. Full set here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57601843755726/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondependency/1316147341/in/set-72157601843755726/)
If anyone is still reading this, I'll gladly answer any questions you might have about it
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I still have one major question-
don't know if you can answer it though
<blink>
"is it pocketable???"
</blink>
From mockups I've made, it appears that with the standard battery
its just a little too big to fit in my pocket;
however my mockups have hard square edges,
while the real device has rounded and softer ones.
I'm fairly sure it *won't* be a comfortable fit (not nearly so nice as the Z)
but I'm still hanging out a measure of hope that it might barely work.
Can you (dare you?) try fitting it in any of your largest available pockets
to check out the prospects? (maybe after the STD battery arrives...)
OTOH, I should remember that when I've tried pocketable devices larger than a Z
I've been much more reluctant to carry them about- from encumberance.
I'm on the verge of buying a FlipStart
Seems.... rather inferior to a Fujitsu, but more pocket shaped by far.
Logic suggests that one wait for the "next generation" ultra-mobiles
but there seems no real guarantee that "next generation" will be
any more pocket friendly.
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duh. i know <blink> 's not supported. pretend that it is
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"is it pocketable???"
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it'd be better to find a tailor who can modify your pockets than not have one of these beauties, surely?
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yes, thanks for that. perhaps you can simply boot the Fujitsu from a live linux CD and see what devices it finds?
also, very useful to note that the Japanese version is lacking the mini pcie slot, I didn't know that.
so far, apart from the keyboard, I definitely want one! I am hoping they'll be on sale in the USA in time for my trip there end of this month so I can see what they're like and abuse my credit card if they're really as nice as I'd hope!
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Linux installation is definitely high on the list of things to do. There will be major issues, though.
For example, all of the extra buttons on this thing seem to be proprietary - they have their own driver and do absolutely nothing without the button utility loaded. (In contrast, most of the special buttons on my IBM work just fine without drivers). Screen rotation and fixing of the glidepoint's orientation is also software.
Video is intel 945 based, so it should work. Wireless is Atheros - also should be okay.
I use a linux live CD of sorts (Clonezilla) to back up the HD so I know USB and ethernet do work. I'll get a crack at a real live cd later this week.
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I still have one major question-
don't know if you can answer it though
<blink>
"is it pocketable???"
</blink>
From mockups I've made, it appears that with the standard battery
its just a little too big to fit in my pocket;
however my mockups have hard square edges,
while the real device has rounded and softer ones.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who makes scale mockups of these devices I"ve got a cardboard U8240, Sony UX, and Raon Digital Everrun sitting around here...
I'm fairly sure it *won't* be a comfortable fit (not nearly so nice as the Z)
but I'm still hanging out a measure of hope that it might barely work.
Can you (dare you?) try fitting it in any of your largest available pockets
to check out the prospects? (maybe after the STD battery arrives...)
OTOH, I should remember that when I've tried pocketable devices larger than a Z
I've been much more reluctant to carry them about- from encumberance.
I'm on the verge of buying a FlipStart
Seems.... rather inferior to a Fujitsu, but more pocket shaped by far.
Logic suggests that one wait for the "next generation" ultra-mobiles
but there seems no real guarantee that "next generation" will be
any more pocket friendly.
The Flipstart is *way* overpriced for what you get.
The Fujitsu is built on Intel's mobile platform 2007. The Mobile Platform 2008 is supposed to produce pocketable devices - they'll be slower, and most will be running a linux distribution, but definitely pocketable. I'd hold off dropping a couple grand on a flipstart until then. Or get a Raon.
The Fuji doesn't lend itself well to pockets. I don't have any jacket pockets big enough for one, and it isn't as sturdy as the Z, either.
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I bought one of those U8240 a few weeks ago (thanks Google Summer of Code...)
It is an impressive device, without a doubt ; but I wouldn't say it fits the same category as the Zaurus.
It really isn't a pocketable device ; at least you won't feel confortable with it in any pocket.
However, it is well suited to be carried in a bag and used as a tiny and lightweight laptop.
The CPU is very impressive. You can play virtually any video without a glitch, even run most 3+ year old games. And since it's a x86 device, you have an unlimited supply of software. Otherwise, the wifi is quite good (except when used in tablet mode, probably because the antena is near the screen) ; I like the trackpoint a lot too.
However, what truly lacks is the instant suspend/resume feature, which rules out the title of Zaurus killer (beside the size).
Fortunately, I think the x86 familiy has made so much progress (size and power-consumption wise) that we might expect Z-footprint x86 devices soon.
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However, what truly lacks is the instant suspend/resume feature, which rules out the title of Zaurus killer (beside the size).
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I think getting suspend/resume working perfectly is tricky but doable under linux, and either works pretty much perfectly or not at all with windows!
The snag is that the suspend mode on PCs is probably a bit too power hungry to allow you to keep it suspended all the time and only charge up every other day or so? Please correct me if wrong!
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You're right. A suspended laptop will run out of battery pretty fast (maybe 15-20% per day, but it depends on many things, e.g how much RAM is plugged)
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You're right. A suspended laptop will run out of battery pretty fast (maybe 15-20% per day, but it depends on many things, e.g how much RAM is plugged)
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Are you talking about suspend to RAM or suspend to disk (which requires, other than the zaurus, no power at all, but which Windows in general does very well). Suspend to RAM isn't a very precise term either as there are different states.
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As far as I know, suspend usually means suspend to RAM (i.e the ACPI S3 state, sometimes called "sleep"). Suspend to disk (i.e "hibernate") works fine on Windows ; however it is a lot slower because the system has to write the contents of the RAM to the disk. On the Fuji, there is 1 GB RAM, it takes 20 seconds to dump or load the RAM, which isn't too bad but still a lot more than the 1 second or so to resume a Zaurus from suspend.
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a nice review with pictures and size comparisons:
http://www.geardiary.com/2007/09/13/quick-...lifebook-u1010/ (http://www.geardiary.com/2007/09/13/quick-look-at-the-fujitsu-lifebook-u1010/)
I think I definitely one want... so long as it's the full version with bluetooth and wifi, and webcam if possible, and even the 3G data option!
Oh yeah, and wimax, and DVB-T, and an espresso machine
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hmmm, I didn't realise the keyboard how much the keyboard was crippled - in an effort to keep the keys large they cut their number down - even the tab is shared. the one thing we keep coming back to is having a full layout. so, the kohjinsha here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57594417554369/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondependency/320865205/in/set-72157594417554369/)
whilst somewhat bigger does seem so much better for that. sigh. now I can't make my mind up any more. I really wanted to sell my Sony TX2 and trade for a Fujitsu but now...
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just seen Fujitsu announce its sale US$1000 or US$1100 with full vista business and office instead of Works.
http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce...able_092007-959 (http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=U810&WT.mc_id=Email_U810_available_092007-959)
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a nice review with pictures and size comparisons:
http://www.geardiary.com/2007/09/13/quick-...lifebook-u1010/ (http://www.geardiary.com/2007/09/13/quick-look-at-the-fujitsu-lifebook-u1010/)
I think I definitely one want... so long as it's the full version with bluetooth and wifi, and webcam if possible, and even the 3G data option!
Oh yeah, and wimax, and DVB-T, and an espresso machine
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hmmm, I didn't realise the keyboard how much the keyboard was crippled - in an effort to keep the keys large they cut their number down - even the tab is shared. the one thing we keep coming back to is having a full layout. so, the kohjinsha here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57594417554369/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondependency/320865205/in/set-72157594417554369/)
whilst somewhat bigger does seem so much better for that. sigh. now I can't make my mind up any more. I really wanted to sell my Sony TX2 and trade for a Fujitsu but now...
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The way I solved the key problem was easy. I usd a key remapping program to swap the fn+(.[]\) for the arrow keys. Because I didn't want to lose the dedicated period key I also remapped the Japanese key to the right of the spacebar to (.), an:d the key to the left of the spacebar to tab. Combine that with sticky keys. and suddenly the keyboard works quite well. Fortunately the US "Darth Vader" model still has those two keys, but I don't know what they do. (I have't seen a. high res pictur of the keyboard yet)
A friend of mine might purchase the Vader, so I'll get to compare them.
I still use the Z for my mobile data entry, but everything more complex than typing in a text file gets done on the Fuji. (In fact, I'm posing this off the fuji right now. I'm. still being thrown by the fact that my 3000 with pdaXii13 needs to shift to get a comma, but the Fuji doesn't I'm not yet very practiced at typing on this thing yet, but it is coming along. I may eventually be able to drop the Z completely. If the Fuji were pocketable I would in a flash, but I'll have to wait .for next year's MID devices for that. )
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hmmm, I didn't realise the keyboard how much the keyboard was crippled - in an effort to keep the keys large they cut their number down - even the tab is shared. the one thing we keep coming back to is having a full layout. so, the kohjinsha here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57594417554369/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondependency/320865205/in/set-72157594417554369/)
whilst somewhat bigger does seem so much better for that. sigh. now I can't make my mind up any more. I really wanted to sell my Sony TX2 and trade for a Fujitsu but now...
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I just noticed that that was my photo you linked to My friend with the Kohjinsha is coming over today so Ill retake that one with the Fujitsu added in.
And, for the record, the Fuji's keyboard is much nicer to thumbtype on than the Kohjinsha's
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I'm planning on getting one of these. After such a time, what are your impressions/recommendations on this unit?
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I haven't been back here for weeks, so I think it's funny that you're asking this now.
Sorry - haven't been back here in a while.
I'm increasingly fond of the Fuji. Battery life with the large battery is good (~5hrs). The keyboard layout on the Japanese model is easier to remap than the American one, but the Japanese one lacks BT and the Camera. The Zaurus is more comfortable for long sessions of typing, but I have no trouble writing anything short of a novel on the Fuji. It has plenty of power for pretty much anything I'd want to do, but I do recommend XP over Vista. Browsing is great as well. It isn't pocketable, but I find it large enough for general tasks, and small enough that it's easy to pack. I'm definitely going to be keeping it going forward.
Hope that helps...
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Thanks for the response; it has given me the definitive argument to go on with the purchase.
I'll be switching my htc tytn II by a cheap phone plus the fuji. The whole operation will take several weeks of ebaying, but the decision is now already made.
It is interesting the comment you make about the japanese model and keyboard remapping; I'll take a look in detail at both keyboards and make a decision then; and now that Microsoft decided to go "open source", maybe it's not so devil anymore so my little-me will allow me to use MS OS.
Thanks again
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Thanks for the response; it has given me the definitive argument to go on with the purchase.
i'm not yet totally convinced....i'm still thinking about it.......
I'll be switching my htc tytn II by a cheap phone plus the fuji. The whole operation will take several weeks of ebaying, but the decision is now already made.
why not use the tytn2 as the terrible modem ?? i was thinking about it to replace my nokia6630
by the way who have a good address to buy the Fujitsu ? (dynamism is a bit expensive!
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jpmatrix:
the tytn2 is too big for just being a modem; I'll get a 3,5g usb modem for the fujitsu.
Also, the tytn2 suffers from the video driver issue (htcactionclass.org), and the low resolution screen (240x320) and the keyboard doesn't please me much. I have decided to go with the fujitsu instead.
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After one month :
Great device,
Good keyboard,
Nice screen.
I get 2.5-3hrs of battery life with the small battery (medium brightness and wifi on)
Using XPT and ubuntu dual boot.
No suspend/hibernate options in linux (yet) - boots ubuntu in 45secs.
Use it with the port replicator when in the office (keyboard, mouse, DVD, 19" monitor and LAN attached).
Can handle all my office tasks and browsing with ease - a bit harder when running AutoCAD or GIS-apps on it.
There are some sellers on ebay.
Plays penguinracer (tuxracer) smoothly ...
New version with more connectivity options to be released in March.
Chero.
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There are some sellers on ebay.
Can you recommend any ?
New version with more connectivity options to be released in March.
Can you be more specific for that? What options? What date?
Thnaks a lot!
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There are some sellers on ebay.
Can you recommend any ?
New version with more connectivity options to be released in March.
Can you be more specific for that? What options? What date?
Thnaks a lot!
There are some pictures available.
(From CES 2008)
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/fujitsu...d-u810-tablets/ (http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/fujitsu-updates-its-t2010-and-u810-tablets/)
me do not like
Looks like they've taken the old u810 and added big honkin' ears.
molded to the case, so not very "optional" imo.
Some kind of WWAN apparently.
No refresh on the CPU/ram/etc that I can see.
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On UMPC forums they call it "the U810 with wings", nobody realy seems to like it.
There are only a few sellers shipping world-wide, so for Europe there are not many options.
Just beware while comparing :
Someone sells U50X (U8240) as U810 (no camera, no bluetooth, small battery)
There are versions with Vista Business and others with Vista Home. Only Vista Business comes with the XPT downgrade option (CD included).
Big batteries are easy to get seperately, small batteries more difficult.
For US-buyers : I'd go for fujitsu-store on ebay.
I don't want to name any other sellers, just look and see and compare.
Chero.
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Thanks Chero.
I'm a linux-only user, so, can you please comment on the benefits of Vista Business and/or XPT over Vista Home?
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Thanks Chero.
I'm a linux-only user, so, can you please comment on the benefits of Vista Business and/or XPT over Vista Home?
check this thread (and others) on UMPCportal :
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/vi...28&forum=16 (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2428&forum=16)
especially post #3
Chero.
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There are some sellers on ebay.
Can you recommend any ?;
I got mine from this vendor on eBay and had excellent service and they have 100% Positive feedback:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tab=AllFeedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=digitalspyders&ftab=AllFeedback)
Also, FWIW, as I almost always have AC power where I go with U810, I bought one of the smaller batteries to use so, no bump out the back and is lighter....got it from Conics.net,....
Very happy with U810, especially after downgrading to XPT and putting 100GB Toshiba HD in it...will tryout Linux on it soon....
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Thanks for the reply; I already have taken a look at some and, as soon as I get rid of the tytn ii I'll get one.
First thing will be to understand why nobody could make linux suspend this unit!!
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hi here!
well, i've just bought a Fujitsu U1010 ... it was terrible to make a choice with latest umpc devices out there but finally here it is
first thoughts:
-it looks like a (little) bigger zaurus
-keyboard is a bit less easy to type than zaurus one (as keys touch each other...)
-whow ! bright screen, easily readable at 1024x600!
-dough! vista coming from XP, i'm a little lost i guess i've to learn it... or switch to XP tablet later....
so far, only one problem:
i'm unable to calibrate the touchscreen with the pen ! first point works but second not.... any help ? i guess i should look into fujitsuuuuuu forums now
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-dough! vista coming from XP, i'm a little lost i guess i've to learn it... or switch to XP tablet later....
who cares when you're going to wipe windows and install linux?
well, at the very least boot a linux live distro?!
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hi here!
well, i've just bought a Fujitsu U1010 ... it was terrible to make a choice with latest umpc devices out there but finally here it is
first thoughts:
-it looks like a (little) bigger zaurus
-keyboard is a bit less easy to type than zaurus one (as keys touch each other...)
-whow ! bright screen, easily readable at 1024x600!
-dough! vista coming from XP, i'm a little lost i guess i've to learn it... or switch to XP tablet later....
so far, only one problem:
i'm unable to calibrate the touchscreen with the pen ! first point works but second not.... any help ? i guess i should look into fujitsuuuuuu forums now
Congrats !
I have my screen calibrated perfectly ..... on ubuntu ....
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Thanks for the reply; I already have taken a look at some and, as soon as I get rid of the tytn ii I'll get one.
First thing will be to understand why nobody could make linux suspend this unit!!
I can make it suspend whenever I want, but not always resume.
At first there was no way to resume, now I can make it resume after the first suspend but after that it won't suspend any longer (I get screen lock I should get at resume).
In short, there is progress ...
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Thanks for the reply; I already have taken a look at some and, as soon as I get rid of the tytn ii I'll get one.
First thing will be to understand why nobody could make linux suspend this unit!!
I can make it suspend whenever I want, but not always resume.
At first there was no way to resume, now I can make it resume after the first suspend but after that it won't suspend any longer (I get screen lock I should get at resume).
In short, there is progress ...
Hi Chero,
Been wanting to try linux on my lil' U810.....for fun and simplicity sake, I decided to try out andLinux on it....
For those not familiar, this distro allows you to download and install it from within Windows and then run it from within Windows, just like opening up any other app....opens up a Linux window and from there you can use like any other Linux setup....
Installed OK and apps work OK, however, so far, haven't been able to get connected to internet at office on company net connection...andLinux notes warn about this if you're behind firewall, but I have firewall set to allow my apps to get through....
UPDATE: I just tried andLinux at home and I got connected to net!!!...so this is great....very easy to use and don't need to reboot to Linux, now have both 'side-by-side'...
So, you put 'straight' Unbuntu 7.10 on it?
Not Kunbuntu or Xunbuntu, etc....
Thanks,
Mark
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ok men!
let me discover this beast a little more, make backup, and i'll try to install another distro ;-)
at now i ve to find how to boot a live distro.... external usb cdr ? external usb card ???
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ok men!
let me discover this beast a little more, make backup, and i'll try to install another distro ;-)
at now i ve to find how to boot a live distro.... external usb cdr ? external usb card ???
I recommend Acronis for taking a snapshot of a windows machine and restoring it onto the same or a different machine - you can even do it live; has saved my arse a couple of times. Seagate diskwizard is a branded version of same.
If I were you, I'd repartition drive into, say 8G for windows, 128+8+2G for linux (boot, /, home), a big chunk of fat32 for downloaded data, and the rest as ntfs data.
If you can boot off a USB CDRdrive, that would give you most flexibility.
Paul
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So, you put 'straight' Unbuntu 7.10 on it?
Not Kunbuntu or Xunbuntu, etc....
Thanks,
Mark
Ubuntu Hardy (8) Alpha 4, I guess (but I've been doing updates from time to time)
(now suspend/resume is working, but I have to kill "s2ram" after resume. Ugly, but working)
(update : reinstalled uswsusp -> now working properly, no need to kill anything any longer)
@jpmatrix : installed through usb-dvddrive.
Chero.
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ok ok!
well, can you list your favourite urls, forums, etc about this U1010 ?
(specially linux oriented
that would enable me not to google-search too much
thanks in advance
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ok ok!
well, can you list your favourite urls, forums, etc about this U1010 ?
(specially linux oriented
that would enable me not to google-search too much
thanks in advance
Just a few :
http://risujin.org/debian/ (http://risujin.org/debian/)
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/vi...um.php?forum=16 (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=16) -> check the thread about "linux on a u810"
http://shaneosullivan.wordpress.com/2007/0...pad-x41-tablet/ (http://shaneosullivan.wordpress.com/2007/02/16/installing-ubuntu-edgy-on-a-thinkpad-x41-tablet/)
http://forum.kuchingosc.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=286 (http://forum.kuchingosc.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=286)
http://migrate2linux.wikidot.com/tabletpc (http://migrate2linux.wikidot.com/tabletpc)
http://www.gottabemobile.com/forum/forum_p...4ffbbe5d66fz2de (http://www.gottabemobile.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4352&PN=1&SID=fe9a59229ca3336944ffbbe5d66fz2de)
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_U..._a_Thinkpad_T60 (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_8.04_(Hardy_Heron)_on_a_Thinkpad_T60)
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=31 (http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=31)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=478299 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=478299)
Have fun,
Chero.
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thank you very much!!!
by the way:
1- do you have the high capacity battery and where can you buy it ?
2-do you know how to solve the vista calibration trouble (except moving to ubuntu
3-i think an alternate bluetooth mouse would be great don't you ?
that's all for now
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thank you very much!!!
by the way:
1- do you have the high capacity battery and where can you buy it ?
2-do you know how to solve the vista calibration trouble (except moving to ubuntu
3-i think an alternate bluetooth mouse would be great don't you ?
that's all for now
1. expansys has them cheaper then ebay
2. i could calibrate after changing the bios setting to touchscreen instead of tablet (and before dropping vista completely)
3. yes
Chero
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Btw, Chero, thanks again for the hint to the U810s offered on eBay! Got the one from Italy!
Great device with minor quirks. I hate the double-mapping of some important keys (Tab-key + Arrow-keys).
Btw, are any of you U810/U1010 users active over at umpcportal.com? (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=16)
I already noticed ArchiMark and Chero. Anybody else?
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2. i could calibrate after changing the bios setting to touchscreen instead of tablet (and before dropping vista completely)
no luck for me: when i change that setting i cannot even open the calibrate dialog which tells me:
No suitable hardware found to calibrate
The digitizer Calibration Tool supports only integrated digitizers.
ps: registered to upmcportal too
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2. i could calibrate after changing the bios setting to touchscreen instead of tablet (and before dropping vista completely)
no luck for me: when i change that setting i cannot even open the calibrate dialog which tells me:
No suitable hardware found to calibrate
The digitizer Calibration Tool supports only integrated digitizers.
ps: registered to upmcportal too
Maybe this discussion will get more response on umpcportal.
It could have been the other way around with my bios ... . Try checking the latest drivers. I can't test since I'm off Vista.
Left the U suspended overnight while ubuntu was up. Unplugged power. When I resumed this morning I had 94% of battry left . Nice.
Chero.
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back to this topic
i finally succeeded in calibrating under vista ! there was in fact 2 cablibration tools and i was using the bad one apparently ......
at now i don't think about buying a zaurus at all.......