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Everything Else => Sharp Zaurus => Model Specific Forums => Distros, Development, and Model Specific Forums => Archived Forums => 5x00 General discussions => Topic started by: charlie on June 20, 2007, 08:20:43 am
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It seems that there's less and less of interest to those of us with a humble sl5500 these days as all the developers have newer and shinier toys.
Even Mr Hentges seems to have moved on.
Still, you've got to expect that if you're a dinozaur.
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It seems that there's less and less of interest to those of us with a humble sl5500 these days as all the developers have newer and shinier toys.
Even Mr Hentges seems to have moved on.
Still, you've got to expect that if you're a dinozaur.
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I'm still using my even humbler SL5000. It does what I need it to but I am definitely feeling a bit left out these days...
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http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/)
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http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/)
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Will those work on an SL5000D?
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When I need something compiled for my sl5500, I can usually find someone willing to do it for me, even for my ancient ROM 2.38. But it does take a bit of cajoling.
For example, the html syntax checker, tidy, was ported for Sharp ROM. Poke around my software directory at:
http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/ipks (http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/ipks)
And also see http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/kernel.html (http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/kernel.html)
You just have to have friends with sl5500's who don't mind porting stuff. It's not easy, but not impossible, to make happen.
sdjf
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I was in a rush when I put up that other post, but did have a lot more to say.
Yes, it is a drag the big-name developers are not very interested in the collie or our older sibling, the sl5000. But they do know we have to be considered, as the attempts of angstrom and pdaXrom developers illustrate.
And, there also are those of us who continue to do a lot to make our collie's more versatile. I continue writing scripts that, when I get them polished enough, I publish so others can use them. I just haven't seen enough interest in what I'm doing to work real hard at cleaning many of my personal scripts up for publishing, but I do keep that goal in mind as I write. See my scripts section at:
http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/scripts (http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/scripts)
Also check out Quickening's hackery and potpourri of sl5500 scripts at:
http://quickening.zapto.org/Zaurus.html (http://quickening.zapto.org/Zaurus.html)
http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/scripts/kyle.html (http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/scripts/kyle.html)
Most of the scripts I have been working on have to do with resolving networking and dialup issues using a CF modem.
But more interest has been shown in the how-to's and tutorials I've worked on, so that's where I've been putting more energy.
http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/tutorials.html#list (http://www.sdjf.esmartdesign.com/tutorials.html#list)
If you want more of what we do, you have to give us feedback on what we've done, and let us know if the stuff is helpful!
sdjf
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http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/ (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/)
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That's what I was thinking about and I would dearly love to install it but not until it in a more useable state.
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Well, I like to be one of those obsoletes.
I bougth my SL-5500 after having a C-3200, and the collie seems very useful to me for daily use. In fact, almost any C-3200 software runs on it. Not as fast than in the new model, but fast enough. It's a great machine.
There are a lot of resources but hard to found rigth when they are needed.
People like antikx, are making an effort to maintain the information referred, for example, to SD compatibility.
It's possible that some more work could be done to set up a lot of information that is messed and hard to find at the forum, as well as all the stuff related that people has shown in this post. Perhaps, something like Meanie's z3book.
It's hard to sail along hundred links.
This is just an opinion.
Cheers, and thanks for the information above.
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Antikx is also working on a comprehensive handbook for all Zaurii. A daunting task, but he is aware of the need, and those of us who can are doing our best to help.
Not sure what you mean by a hundred links. I don't like lots of never-ending referral urls to go to either, and do my best to annotate whatever suggestions I make.
I have chosen to write as much as I can on selected topics and put up web pages about them. Then when I see that what I've written might help someone out, I say "go read this" so I can save typing so much over and over, and the person gets more information.
What kind of hard-to-find resources are you referring to?
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I have expended some time looking for 2G SD on collie information. After looking a lot for it, finally I find the answer by a PM from a forum mate.
I read many, many posts, to find out that I was repeating topic steps already done.
Sometimes the hood don't let me see the tree.
Greets.
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Not sure what you mean by " the hood don't let me see the tree", but I know what you mean about searching for answers. It's hard work, whether you search here or use google.
All I can say is that the more of us who write up what we've learned, clearly and consicely, that we think might help others avoid the same grief, the better. That's what I try to do with my sites, and just hope people who need the information can find it via google.
That's where contributions to Antikx's handbook are critical. We are using the wiki there to collaborate our knowledge, but it has a long way to go.
The Main Tyrannozaurus Wiki page is at http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=wiki/Main_Page (http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=wiki/Main_Page)
sdjf
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Thanks for the information. Please, forgive my mistakes. Sometimes my english language is not good enough.
When I said "hood" I mean wood. You know, I'm not one of those wearing hoods (this is a joke)
For this holidays I've decided to read deeply the forum, and also reorganize all the information that I have been taking last months.
If I'd be able, then I'd be glad to make a little contribution. I hope so.
I have visited Antikx site in the past, but always seeking for any just-in-time information, and I haven't thought about the Wiki.
Thanks for the point and for your patience with me when I get confused, and also when I break your beautiful language down.
Greets.
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Ah, from España! You do know about the Spanish subforum here and Mimeca's Spanish forum at http://www.innerzaurus.com/CMS/ (http://www.innerzaurus.com/CMS/) I hope. My impression was quite a few people there also use sl5500's.
I generally ignore language issues except when someone asks me a question directly that I do not understand. Figure you'd rather explain your question than get no answer to it.
sdjf
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Yeah! Spanish subforum and Mimeca's Spanish forum are great, but I like specially the english forum. This is a deeper experience to me. You know, as if I were travelling. Having knowledge from different people.
And, you're right I wouldn't like to get no answer, but also I'm afraid when I don't explain myself well.
But I'll keep on trying, and improving
Greets.
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It is an Unix machine and depends what you want and which level of exploration you are heading.
Normal user
- PIM and good MP3 player should be good enough
Advancde user (like me)
- Purchase some commercial packages, like Neocal, Tkc Player, to enhance its performance
- Add high capacilty CF drive
- Install ZBedic to store Wikipedia, English dictionary
- Make use of unix commands for system and network tasks.
- Install Zgcc to facilitate python and PyQt programming
- Use VisiScript as my IDE for python programming
- Use Porta-Base as database application
- Install VNC sever for remote access
In short, it is not an obsolete machine which you can put it in good use and it is really a very reliable hardware to date.
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Three cheers!!!
sdjf
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It is an Unix machine and depends what you want and which level of exploration you are heading.
Normal user
- PIM and good MP3 player should be good enough
Advancde user (like me)
- Purchase some commercial packages, like Neocal, Tkc Player, to enhance its performance
- Add high capacilty CF drive
- Install ZBedic to store Wikipedia, English dictionary
- Make use of unix commands for system and network tasks.
- Install Zgcc to facilitate python and PyQt programming
- Use VisiScript as my IDE for python programming
- Use Porta-Base as database application
- Install VNC sever for remote access
In short, it is not an obsolete machine which you can put it in good use and it is really a very reliable hardware to date.
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Uh, no, it runs a OS [a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like]Unix-like[/url] OS.
The main issues that I've found since OZ3.2 are lack of stability in the OS, from an inability to suspend/resume to applications crashing. What OS are you using?
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I am using SL-5600 with the original Sharp ROM since 2003.
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Hell, you're one of the most obsolete user I ever hear about (joke)
You got a solid heavy machine . Unfortunatelly, such model can't be found in my area.
Greets.
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Yeah, the Collie is obsolete, but so is all the Zaurii family. Yet, when I use my Collie, it is so much more advanced than my Palm m515. While finding a stable operating system is a pain on a Collie, it is impossible on my Palm. At least people are working on the new and the old. There is still much to be excited about: Angstrom, pdaXrom and folks who are still making custom ROMS, even if they have old code.
Chris--
Hell, you're one of the most obsolete user I ever hear about (joke)
You got a solid heavy machine . Unfortunatelly, such model can't be found in my area.
Greets.
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Chrisl,
Can you tell me if your Belkin CF wifi card support WPA?
Thanks,
Rich
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Chrisl,
Can you tell me if your Belkin CF wifi card support WPA?
Thanks,
Rich
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I believe the Belkin card does support WPA. I managed to get on a WPA protected system once, but have failed all other times. It could be the card, but I think it is more likely the software.
Chris--
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I'm wondering if something might be locking up your CF slot (also known as ttyS3).
Next time run the following to see if there is a lock, or some other process is using ttyS3:
for i in `find /proc -name fd 2>/dev/null`;do p=${i%%/fd} ;q=`basename $p`;cmd=`cat $p/cmdline 2>/dev/null`; ls -l $i 2>/dev/null | grep ttyS3 | sed "s|^l.*>|$q $cmd:|" ;done
cat /var/lock/LCK..ttyS3
When it "doesn't work", do lights flicker and then poop out?
I've never used WAP but have done a lot of work unsnarling problems with ejecting CF cards and using a CF modem.
Also do (before and after)
cardctl status
sdjf
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I'm resuscitating this topic to investigate someone else's opinion on the futeure of (my and your) poor littlòe Collie.
Some facts:
- some time there was an actively developed distribution, OpenZaurus, which mantained support for the Collie;
- when OZ switched to 2.6 kernel, they continued to support Collie with a specialised version using old 2.4 kernel, mainly because of legacy SD driver not supported in 2.6;
- at that time SD driver seemed to be the major blocker to a further development on Collie;
- then OZ closed in favour of Angstrom;
- suddenly something happened that restored the hopes of Collie users: a 2.6 SD driver was announced, angstrom included Collie in the supported machines list and everything seemed to go on fast.
But now it seems this sudden wave turned back:
- Angstrom no longer supports Collie (see here) (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/supported-zaurus-machines);
- A lot of bugs are open for Collie on Angstrom and there's apparently no one to take care (see here) (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148);
- It's almost impossible to know who is working on the issues, if any; there's a status page (http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusCollie) but it doesn't seem to be very up-to-date (or, worse enough, there's nothing to be updated...)
So my question is: is there any chance to see our Collies working with a recent kernel, an actively developed distro and all of its features working? What can we do to achieve this? Is there any interest in it?
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JackA: there is a chance as always. Someone has to start work on collie support - thats all. Many developers have collie but also other devices so nothing strange that this old PDA is more and more dust covered.
Current status of collie is: 2.6.21 kernel works, SD/MMC works, no one works on getting it working in nice way. Guy who wrote SD/MMC support had problem with is desktop machine (mainboard breakage) and I do not know what is status of it.